OT Virtualbox

I installedirtualbox 5.0 with dreams of sampling for fun some long
standing Fruit flavored OS just for A temporary trial.
Decided step one would be to read the Virtualbox manual, So D/Led it and
started to look at the Index and it nearly frazzled my brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Moly the manual is a 403 page PDF.........
I think I may give up this Idea now :-)

Regards, Rene

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On 2015-12-11 11:14 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I installedirtualbox 5.0 with dreams of sampling for fun some long
standing Fruit flavored OS just for A temporary trial. Decided step
one would be to read the Virtualbox manual, So D/Led it and started
to look at the Index and it nearly frazzled my brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Moly the manual is a 403 page PDF......... I think I may give
up this Idea now :-)

A while back, I downloaded an Atari ST emulator and a few applications
for it just to see what the experience was like. To say the least, the
operating system itself had nothing in it and the whole experience was
pointless.

If you're going to be using VirtualBox though, it is likely that
you're interested in seeing what another operating system like Linux
is like or you wish to see just how bad OS/2 was and why it died. If
you don't, there's truly no reason to bother. In the end, the only
thing you'll realize is how great Windows is.


- --
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW & PETA supporter
Matthew 7:12: "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you
want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets."
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:14:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I installedirtualbox 5.0 with dreams of sampling for fun some long
standing Fruit flavored OS just for A temporary trial.
Decided step one would be to read the Virtualbox manual, So D/Led it and
started to look at the Index and it nearly frazzled my
brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Moly the manual is a 403 page PDF.........
I think I may give up this Idea now :-)

Regards, Rene

Or just do it. It's not that complex - you shouldn't need the manual.

On 12/11/2015 10:29 AM, ray carter wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:14:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I installedirtualbox 5.0 with dreams of sampling for fun some long
standing Fruit flavored OS just for A temporary trial.
Decided step one would be to read the Virtualbox manual, So D/Led it and
started to look at the Index and it nearly frazzled my
brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Moly the manual is a 403 page PDF.........
I think I may give up this Idea now :-)

Regards, Rene

Or just do it. It's not that complex - you shouldn't need the manual.


All my life when I buy something the first thing I do is read the
manual, So it's kind of a habit. In this case I think I'll pass.
As far as Linux goes I have tried lots of distros on USB sticks and they
all Lack greatly, I will stick to windows.
I just taught it would be entertaining to see how the Apple Mac system
worked, Haven't used it since 1995.


Regards, Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I installedirtualbox 5.0 with dreams of sampling for fun some long
standing Fruit flavored OS just for A temporary trial.
Decided step one would be to read the Virtualbox manual, So D/Led it and
started to look at the Index and it nearly frazzled my brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Moly the manual is a 403 page PDF.........
I think I may give up this Idea now :-)

You don't need to read the entire manual, just the parts that pertain to
installing and using VirtualBox on your Host system W10, I assume), and
installing whatever guest systems you want. Be sure to read the section
on Installing the Guest Additions, if it doesn't get installed
automatically.

The bulk of the manual is for running VB from the commandline without a
Desktop like on servers.

Stef

ray carter wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:14:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I installedirtualbox 5.0 with dreams of sampling for fun some long
standing Fruit flavored OS just for A temporary trial.
Decided step one would be to read the Virtualbox manual, So D/Led it and
started to look at the Index and it nearly frazzled my
brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Moly the manual is a 403 page PDF.........
I think I may give up this Idea now :-)

Regards, Rene

Or just do it. It's not that complex - you shouldn't need the manual.

A lot of people don't read manuals, and have nothing but problems.
Wonder why?

Not one of those people.

Stef

On 11 Dec 2015, ray carter wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Or just do it. It's not that complex - you shouldn't need the
manual.

Prezactly. There are lots of on-line How-To's and quick start guides
for Virtualbox. The big manual is a reference source, not an
installation guide per se. Most people with computer experience can
probably get a virtual OS installed and running without reading a
thing. It's not that hard.

On 11 Dec 2015, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

All my life when I buy something the first thing I do is read the
manual, So it's kind of a habit.

Did you read all the repair manuals before you put the key in the
ignition of your current car?

I just taught it would be entertaining to see how the Apple Mac
system worked, Haven't used it since 1995.

I was curious, too, and I've look but haven't found any recent Apple
OSs that can be installed in Virtualbox. That is to say, I did find
one, but the source was suspicious and I couldn't get it to
install.

I've got a bunch of flavors of Windows running in Virtualbox on my XP
machine - WFW, Win95, XP, Win7, Win8.1, Win10 - and a few Linuxes. I
used to have virtual OS/2 and Android machines, too. I use them to help
troubleshoot problems for other people and to play around with for fun.

On 12/11/2015 12:06 PM, Nil wrote:
On 11 Dec 2015, ray carter wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Or just do it. It's not that complex - you shouldn't need the
manual.

Prezactly. There are lots of on-line How-To's and quick start guides
for Virtualbox. The big manual is a reference source, not an
installation guide per se. Most people with computer experience can
probably get a virtual OS installed and running without reading a
thing. It's not that hard.


I have used Virtualbox before for Linux distros so it shouldn't be much
different now, I will forget about the manual.

Regards, Rene

On 12/11/2015 12:13 PM, Nil wrote:
On 11 Dec 2015, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

All my life when I buy something the first thing I do is read the
manual, So it's kind of a habit.

Did you read all the repair manuals before you put the key in the
ignition of your current car?

I just taught it would be entertaining to see how the Apple Mac
system worked, Haven't used it since 1995.

I was curious, too, and I've look but haven't found any recent Apple
OSs that can be installed in Virtualbox. That is to say, I did find
one, but the source was suspicious and I couldn't get it to
install.

I've got a bunch of flavors of Windows running in Virtualbox on my XP
machine - WFW, Win95, XP, Win7, Win8.1, Win10 - and a few Linuxes. I
used to have virtual OS/2 and Android machines, too. I use them to help
troubleshoot problems for other people and to play around with for fun.


Due to being born with bad eyesight I have never owned a car But I have
read my sons manuals even though I don't drive.
I have found some sites showing how to run Mac OS but first you need an
Apple OS which I have not been able to try for free.
I don't feel like buying it just for a trial.

Regards, Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I installedirtualbox 5.0 with dreams of sampling for fun some long
standing Fruit flavored OS just for A temporary trial.
Decided step one would be to read the Virtualbox manual, So D/Led it and
started to look at the Index and it nearly frazzled my brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Moly the manual is a 403 page PDF.........
I think I may give up this Idea now :-)

Regards, Rene

The secret is not to stare
at the manual, as it will hypnotize you.

Your best bet is to find a recipe on a site
specializing in doing that, as they'll know
what hardware emulations to select.

When I did that a while back, I already have
the materials at hand. An old Mac, with
MacOSX installer DVDs, old versions of
MacOS installer media (about $150 a pop
at the time I bought them) and so on.
I used Sheepshaver and PearPC (PPC on x86
transcoding emulators). And I managed to get
Sheepshaver to execute a dd copy of the actual
Mac G4 hard drives (didn't have to re-install
the OS). I had to modify the emulator executable
with my hex editor, to remove the disk size check
(in two places in the code).

The worst part of those two, was integration
with the rest of the environment. The networking
plugin was absolutely ancient and destabilized
the host. I don't run those on a regular
basis, because it's too much of a nuisance.
Your VirtualBox experience could be better,
as long as you get get file sharing up
and running. And the default network setup
isn't always the best choice in there,
so you'll want to consult some website
for the best choice there.

You use VirtualBox, because it's "x86 on x86"
and should run at native speed. Running
"PPC on x86" as I was, you take a 10x to 100x
speed hit.

The Mac has gone through at least three processor generations:

1) Motorola 68K series
2) Motorola/IBM PowerPC series
3) Intel x86 era (current)

And emulating (3) on your PC, should give the
best possible speed.

I have (1) and (2) equipment in the room here with
me, but there was never a reason to buy (3).

And the "best" version of MacOSX x86, is probably
not the current one, but maybe three versions
back or so. That gives you the most open environment
with that stuff. The sites that specialize in
what you're attempting, should have good
advice on the version to use.

Paul

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 17:11:30 +0000 (UTC), Stef wrote:

ray carter wrote:

Or just do it. It's not that complex - you shouldn't need the manual.

A lot of people don't read manuals, and have nothing but problems.

I'm guessing that an even larger number of people don't routinely read
manuals and have no problems at all.

Personally, I rarely read manuals and don't have problems, but if something
does happen to come up, I readily reach for the manual, or better yet, just
Google it.

On 11 Dec 2015, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I'm guessing that an even larger number of people don't routinely
read manuals and have no problems at all.

Personally, I rarely read manuals and don't have problems, but if
something does happen to come up, I readily reach for the manual,
or better yet, just Google it.

My strategy is usually to just dive in and try to get it done. If that
doesn't work out *then* I check the manual. Then, later on, I'll skim
through the manual to see what kind of info is in there in case I have
a question later. It's rare that I will actually read a technical
manual cover-to-cover.

On 12/11/2015 2:15 PM, Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I installedirtualbox 5.0 with dreams of sampling for fun some long
standing Fruit flavored OS just for A temporary trial.
Decided step one would be to read the Virtualbox manual, So D/Led it
and started to look at the Index and it nearly frazzled my
brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Moly the manual is a 403 page PDF.........
I think I may give up this Idea now :-)

Regards, Rene

The secret is not to stare
at the manual, as it will hypnotize you.

Your best bet is to find a recipe on a site
specializing in doing that, as they'll know
what hardware emulations to select.

When I did that a while back, I already have
the materials at hand. An old Mac, with
MacOSX installer DVDs, old versions of
MacOS installer media (about $150 a pop
at the time I bought them) and so on.
I used Sheepshaver and PearPC (PPC on x86
transcoding emulators). And I managed to get
Sheepshaver to execute a dd copy of the actual
Mac G4 hard drives (didn't have to re-install
the OS). I had to modify the emulator executable
with my hex editor, to remove the disk size check
(in two places in the code).

The worst part of those two, was integration
with the rest of the environment. The networking
plugin was absolutely ancient and destabilized
the host. I don't run those on a regular
basis, because it's too much of a nuisance.
Your VirtualBox experience could be better,
as long as you get get file sharing up
and running. And the default network setup
isn't always the best choice in there,
so you'll want to consult some website
for the best choice there.

You use VirtualBox, because it's "x86 on x86"
and should run at native speed. Running
"PPC on x86" as I was, you take a 10x to 100x
speed hit.

The Mac has gone through at least three processor generations:

1) Motorola 68K series
2) Motorola/IBM PowerPC series
3) Intel x86 era (current)

And emulating (3) on your PC, should give the
best possible speed.

I have (1) and (2) equipment in the room here with
me, but there was never a reason to buy (3).

And the "best" version of MacOSX x86, is probably
not the current one, but maybe three versions
back or so. That gives you the most open environment
with that stuff. The sites that specialize in
what you're attempting, should have good
advice on the version to use.

Paul

Yes I think I will try one of the website how to deals, And no I don't
need the newest OS, most anything from 10.4 to 10.7 will be fine, It's
just to play around with for a while to kill the boredom of winter.

Regards, Rene

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:40:51 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 11 Dec 2015, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I'm guessing that an even larger number of people don't routinely
read manuals and have no problems at all.

Personally, I rarely read manuals and don't have problems, but if
something does happen to come up, I readily reach for the manual,
or better yet, just Google it.

My strategy is usually to just dive in and try to get it done. If that
doesn't work out *then* I check the manual. Then, later on, I'll skim
through the manual to see what kind of info is in there in case I have
a question later. It's rare that I will actually read a technical
manual cover-to-cover.

You said it better than I did.