BillW50

It's amazing how many people find BillW50 to be an annoying fool.
BillW50: should check the library for this book

How To Win Friends and Influence People

I doubt if it will help, but you don't have much to lose.


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It's amazing how many people find BillW50 to be an annoying fool.
BillW50: should check the library for this book

How To Win Friends and Influence People

I doubt if it will help, but you don't have much to lose.

Yeah people who tells the truth are not popular. But people who lies
are. That is no big secret as everybody knows the truth hurts.

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
~~ Arthur Schopenhauer -- German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On 3/6/2014 10:16 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Zaky Waky typed:
It's amazing how many people find BillW50 to be an annoying fool.
BillW50: should check the library for this book

How To Win Friends and Influence People

I doubt if it will help, but you don't have much to lose.

Yeah people who tells the truth are not popular. But people who lies
are. That is no big secret as everybody knows the truth hurts.

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
~~ Arthur Schopenhauer -- German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

Until they are proven, most of your "truths" are merely "assertions".

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On 3/6/2014 10:16 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Zaky Waky typed:
It's amazing how many people find BillW50 to be an annoying fool.
BillW50: should check the library for this book

How To Win Friends and Influence People

I doubt if it will help, but you don't have much to lose.

Yeah people who tells the truth are not popular. But people who lies
are. That is no big secret as everybody knows the truth hurts.

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
~~ Arthur Schopenhauer -- German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

Until they are proven, most of your "truths" are merely "assertions".

Got any examples?

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On 3/6/2014 12:39 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alek Trishan typed:
On 3/6/2014 10:16 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Zaky Waky typed:
It's amazing how many people find BillW50 to be an annoying fool.
BillW50: should check the library for this book

How To Win Friends and Influence People

I doubt if it will help, but you don't have much to lose.

Yeah people who tells the truth are not popular. But people who lies
are. That is no big secret as everybody knows the truth hurts.

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
~~ Arthur Schopenhauer -- German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

Until they are proven, most of your "truths" are merely "assertions".

Got any examples?

Hmmm...I went back and read about a dozen of your posts and I owe you
an apology! Sorry.

On 2014-03-06 2:10 PM, Alek Trishan wrote:
On 3/6/2014 12:39 PM, BillW50 wrote:
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Alek Trishan typed:
On 3/6/2014 10:16 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Zaky Waky typed:
It's amazing how many people find BillW50 to be an annoying fool.
BillW50: should check the library for this book

How To Win Friends and Influence People

I doubt if it will help, but you don't have much to lose.

Yeah people who tells the truth are not popular. But people who lies
are. That is no big secret as everybody knows the truth hurts.

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
~~ Arthur Schopenhauer -- German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

Until they are proven, most of your "truths" are merely "assertions".

Got any examples?

Hmmm...I went back and read about a dozen of your posts and I owe you
an apology! Sorry.
It has nothing to do with truth or not truth... It's just an abrasive
manner of communication.

If the point of communication is to get information across, and the tone
of posts causes people to rebel against the information, why bother
writing anything at all Bill?

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It has nothing to do with truth or not truth... It's just an abrasive
manner of communication.

What?

If the point of communication is to get information across, and the
tone of posts causes people to rebel against the information, why
bother writing anything at all Bill?

Really? So how about a little test to test your theory out, shall we?
Let us all tar and feather your butt and see if you are abrasive or not.
And if you hold up to this test, I bow my head to you. Is it a deal?

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

Adam Kubias wrote:

If the point of communication is to get information across, and the tone
of posts causes people to rebel against the information, why bother
writing anything at all Bill?

Depends on whether you feel compelled to coddle other users while
dispensing information to them. A curmudgeon that doles out help is
still helping but isn't interested in stroking thin-skinned egos. Some
posters are so frail that if you don't coddle them and are neutral so to
appear even slimly abrasive that they get offended. They want their
mommy to kiss their boo boo. I, and others, don't kiss ass here.
They're getting FREE help from unpaid volunteers from a worldwide
community which means they will experience a wide range of persona.

On 3/6/2014 3:24 PM, BillW50 wrote:
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Adam Kubias typed:
It has nothing to do with truth or not truth... It's just an abrasive
manner of communication.

What?

If the point of communication is to get information across, and the
tone of posts causes people to rebel against the information, why
bother writing anything at all Bill?

Really? So how about a little test to test your theory out, shall we?
Let us all tar and feather your butt and see if you are abrasive or not.
And if you hold up to this test, I bow my head to you. Is it a deal?


So the problem is that Bill can't take criticism? C'mon, Bill. Ease up.
If you don't like what people are saying and are not inclined to change,
just ignore them. Do NOT respond in kind and just add fuel to the fire.
It just keeps going and going and going and in the end, no one wins. The
DEL button is a marvelous tool. :-)

On 3/6/2014 4:22 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Adam Kubias wrote:

If the point of communication is to get information across, and the tone
of posts causes people to rebel against the information, why bother
writing anything at all Bill?

Depends on whether you feel compelled to coddle other users while
dispensing information to them. A curmudgeon that doles out help is
still helping but isn't interested in stroking thin-skinned egos. Some
posters are so frail that if you don't coddle them and are neutral so to
appear even slimly abrasive that they get offended. They want their
mommy to kiss their boo boo. I, and others, don't kiss ass here.
They're getting FREE help from unpaid volunteers from a worldwide
community which means they will experience a wide range of persona.


Isn't there a difference between coddling and just being polite? Why
should anyone who is helping be abrasive? That's the antithesis of being
helpful!

If you're providing help just to stoke your own ego and have to lord it
over the ignorant, you might think about what's wrong in your life. Cheers!

On 2014-03-06 5:21 PM, Alek Trishan wrote:
On 3/6/2014 4:22 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Adam Kubias wrote:

If the point of communication is to get information across, and the tone
of posts causes people to rebel against the information, why bother
writing anything at all Bill?

Depends on whether you feel compelled to coddle other users while
dispensing information to them. A curmudgeon that doles out help is
still helping but isn't interested in stroking thin-skinned egos. Some
posters are so frail that if you don't coddle them and are neutral so to
appear even slimly abrasive that they get offended. They want their
mommy to kiss their boo boo. I, and others, don't kiss ass here.
They're getting FREE help from unpaid volunteers from a worldwide
community which means they will experience a wide range of persona.


Isn't there a difference between coddling and just being polite? Why
should anyone who is helping be abrasive? That's the antithesis of being
helpful!

If you're providing help just to stoke your own ego and have to lord it
over the ignorant, you might think about what's wrong in your life. Cheers!

+1

On 2014-03-06 3:24 PM, BillW50 wrote:
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Adam Kubias typed:
It has nothing to do with truth or not truth... It's just an abrasive
manner of communication.

What?

If the point of communication is to get information across, and the
tone of posts causes people to rebel against the information, why
bother writing anything at all Bill?

Really? So how about a little test to test your theory out, shall we?
Let us all tar and feather your butt and see if you are abrasive or not.
And if you hold up to this test, I bow my head to you. Is it a deal?

That doesn't make sense to me.

On 2014-03-06 5:29 PM, Adam Kubias wrote:
On 2014-03-06 3:24 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Adam Kubias typed:
It has nothing to do with truth or not truth... It's just an abrasive
manner of communication.

What?

If the point of communication is to get information across, and the
tone of posts causes people to rebel against the information, why
bother writing anything at all Bill?

Really? So how about a little test to test your theory out, shall we?
Let us all tar and feather your butt and see if you are abrasive or not.
And if you hold up to this test, I bow my head to you. Is it a deal?

That doesn't make sense to me.

Oh wait, I get it now. You are saying that you are only abrasive when
you are pilloried about town. I understand that, to a certain extent. I
don't know you or your posts enough to know if it is true, but I will
take your word for it.

I like to live by "Grace under Pressure" so I'm sure I'll be ok.

Tar and Feather away!

Alek Trishan wrote:

On 3/6/2014 4:22 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Adam Kubias wrote:

If the point of communication is to get information across, and the tone
of posts causes people to rebel against the information, why bother
writing anything at all Bill?

Depends on whether you feel compelled to coddle other users while
dispensing information to them. ... They're getting FREE help from
unpaid volunteers from a worldwide community which means they will
experience a wide range of persona.

Isn't there a difference between coddling and just being polite? Why
should anyone who is helping be abrasive? That's the antithesis of being
helpful!

I've found being neutral in a reply can offend others who think I'm
supposed to placate their ego. Say you tell them a product won't do
what they want. It's a fact. They get perturbed at you for telling
them.

If a user is spamming, yes, I'll be abrasive in telling them not to
spam, like adding a signature regarding their choice of anti-virus
software or whose Usenet service they use. I'm not going to pretend I'm
blind to their spam.

Then there are the folks that think there is a magic bullet that with a
simple mouse click will fix their problem. When you ask them to try
safe mode in IE or Windows or Thunderbird or to do other diagnostics,
they aren't interested in actually solving the problem so you wonder why
they chose to waste your time. So, yes, for those infant tuggers not
willing to actually work on the problem then they'll get a retort for
being so lazy. Changing a tire on a wheel is easy but it can require
some effort.

No one is getting paid here so just what is the impetus that they have
to be polite (which usually means coddling to salve their ego)? They
aren't paying anyone for the help. They're not a customer so "the
customer is always right" has no basis here. Have YOU ever found
EVERYONE at a helpdesk, IT folks, support center, or wherever you seek
help to sugar coat a solution? And that's representing a very small
group of paid helpers. Usenet is free help. Usenet is a worldwide mesh
network so personalities of all types appear here. And Usenet is an
anarchy where you don't get to dictate to anyone. Some chaff must be
expected in Usenet; else, use moderated forums for a more cuddly
experience.

On 2014-03-06 6:39 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
4 valid reasons for being abrasive
These are all responses to someone who is asking for help. Are you
abrasive to those who are not asking for help and not saying anything
insulting?

I'm an engineer, I'm immune to chaff - but I also recognize that it
exists and it can create problems in communication.