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  #1  
Old October 25th 15, 09:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ian Jackson
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Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]

Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8. Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app, and
personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.

So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?

--
Ian
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  #2  
Old October 25th 15, 10:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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Posts: 1,699
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:34:08 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]



Assuming it's Windows Mail, read he
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...Windows-8.html



Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8.



There is no "supposed to," neither with Windows 8, nor with any other
version of Windows. There are many choices, some by Microsoft, some by
third-party companies, some for sale, some free. You should use the
one you like best, not what Microsoft wants you to use.

As a single example of what I mean by the last sentence, many people
use and like Windows Live Mail. I, on the other hand, think it's the
worst available choice of e-mail programs.


Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app,




You're talking about Outlook.com? Several points about it:

1. It's not an "app." It's a web site.

2. It can be used under Windows 8, but it's not part of Windows 8, nor
of any other version of Windows. It can be used with (almost?) any
version.

3. Microsoft has once again confused countless people by giving two
such different things--Outlook.exe and Outlook.com--such similar
names.

4. As far as I'm concerned, using it, or any other web-based service,
is about the worst possible way to do e-mail. Almost any e-mail
program (even Windows Live Mail) is a much better choice.



personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.



Absolutely! Thunderbird isn't my personal choice, but it's a good
choice. I prefer Outlook--note that I am talking about the *program*
Outlook, part of Microsoft Office (not the web site Outlook.com).


So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?



I believe it's possible to move the Windows Mail files and contacts to
Thunderbird, but never having done this, I can't tell you anything
about how. Wait for someone else here to provide the details.
  #3  
Old October 25th 15, 10:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
philo
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Posts: 4,807
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

On 10/25/2015 03:34 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]

Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8. Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app, and
personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.

So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?




If the old machine was using Thunderbird it would be possible to use
Thunderbird on the new machine and use the entire old profile.
  #4  
Old October 26th 15, 12:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ian Jackson
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Posts: 168
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

In message , philo
writes






If the old machine was using Thunderbird it would be possible to use
Thunderbird on the new machine and use the entire old profile.


Unfortunately, it's not. It'll be either Windows Mail or Windows Live
Mail.

Moving Thunderbird from one PC to another is easy if the donor is up and
running, when the 'brainless' way it to use Mozbackup. Failing that,
it'll mean delving into where the profiles are kept - and they won't be
in form suitable a form for a recipient non-Mozilla email program to
accept.

It's also easy to export WM and WLM for importation (either to WM or
WLM, or to several other email/newsgroup clients - but, of course, the
donor has to be up and running. I've never done it the 'hard way' - by
transferring .eml files (or whatever form they are in).

I suppose I'll have a play and see what's possible.

--
Ian
  #5  
Old October 26th 15, 12:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ian Jackson
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Posts: 168
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

In message , "Ken Blake,
MVP" writes
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:34:08 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]



Assuming it's Windows Mail, read he
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...I-use-the-old-
Windows-Mail-on-the-new-Windows-8.html

Excellent info. While my AV doesn't like the download source for the
'Unlocker' program, I see it's available elsewhere.


Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8.



There is no "supposed to," neither with Windows 8, nor with any other
version of Windows. There are many choices, some by Microsoft, some by
third-party companies, some for sale, some free. You should use the
one you like best, not what Microsoft wants you to use.

As a single example of what I mean by the last sentence, many people
use and like Windows Live Mail. I, on the other hand, think it's the
worst available choice of e-mail programs.


Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app,




You're talking about Outlook.com? Several points about it:

1. It's not an "app." It's a web site.

2. It can be used under Windows 8, but it's not part of Windows 8, nor
of any other version of Windows. It can be used with (almost?) any
version.

3. Microsoft has once again confused countless people by giving two
such different things--Outlook.exe and Outlook.com--such similar
names.

4. As far as I'm concerned, using it, or any other web-based service,
is about the worst possible way to do e-mail. Almost any e-mail
program (even Windows Live Mail) is a much better choice.


I also prefer my email to be based on 'terra firma', and not in a cloud!

personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.


Absolutely! Thunderbird isn't my personal choice, but it's a good
choice.


My normal email/newsgroup client is Demon's 'Turnpike. It's been
unsupported for quite some time. As only works properly up to XP 32-bit,
and with some persuasion in later 32-bit Windows - and not at all with
64bit), I've also had a trial Thunderbird running in parallel for over
three years. I like Thunderbird!

I prefer Outlook--note that I am talking about the *program*
Outlook, part of Microsoft Office (not the web site Outlook.com).


So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?


I believe it's possible to move the Windows Mail files and contacts to
Thunderbird, but never having done this, I can't tell you anything
about how.


I've done these. Email transfers to Thunderbird (and many other email
clients) from Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail, Turnpike
etc are pretty easy.

Wait for someone else here to provide the details.


Thanks for a most helpful post!

--
Ian
  #6  
Old October 26th 15, 01:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Posts: 1,844
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

On 10/25/2015 4:34 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]

Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8. Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app, and
personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.

So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?

If the hard drive on his old computer is good, do him a favor and get a
USB enclosure for it. The enclosure will provide a good external drive
back up for his main computer. First he can use it as it comes from
the old computer to retrieve all of his data. After a couple of months
and he is sure he has everything on the new computer, he can reformat
the now external drive and use it as a backup to his main computer.
  #7  
Old October 26th 15, 01:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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Posts: 1,699
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 23:39:47 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , "Ken Blake,
MVP" writes
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:34:08 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]



Assuming it's Windows Mail, read he
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...I-use-the-old-
Windows-Mail-on-the-new-Windows-8.html

Excellent info. While my AV doesn't like the download source for the
'Unlocker' program, I see it's available elsewhere.


Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8.



There is no "supposed to," neither with Windows 8, nor with any other
version of Windows. There are many choices, some by Microsoft, some by
third-party companies, some for sale, some free. You should use the
one you like best, not what Microsoft wants you to use.

As a single example of what I mean by the last sentence, many people
use and like Windows Live Mail. I, on the other hand, think it's the
worst available choice of e-mail programs.


Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app,




You're talking about Outlook.com? Several points about it:

1. It's not an "app." It's a web site.

2. It can be used under Windows 8, but it's not part of Windows 8, nor
of any other version of Windows. It can be used with (almost?) any
version.

3. Microsoft has once again confused countless people by giving two
such different things--Outlook.exe and Outlook.com--such similar
names.

4. As far as I'm concerned, using it, or any other web-based service,
is about the worst possible way to do e-mail. Almost any e-mail
program (even Windows Live Mail) is a much better choice.


I also prefer my email to be based on 'terra firma', and not in a cloud!

personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.


Absolutely! Thunderbird isn't my personal choice, but it's a good
choice.


My normal email/newsgroup client is Demon's 'Turnpike. It's been
unsupported for quite some time. As only works properly up to XP 32-bit,
and with some persuasion in later 32-bit Windows - and not at all with
64bit), I've also had a trial Thunderbird running in parallel for over
three years. I like Thunderbird!

I prefer Outlook--note that I am talking about the *program*
Outlook, part of Microsoft Office (not the web site Outlook.com).


So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?


I believe it's possible to move the Windows Mail files and contacts to
Thunderbird, but never having done this, I can't tell you anything
about how.


I've done these. Email transfers to Thunderbird (and many other email
clients) from Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail, Turnpike
etc are pretty easy.

Wait for someone else here to provide the details.


Thanks for a most helpful post!




You're welcome. Glad to help.
  #8  
Old October 26th 15, 05:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston‫
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Posts: 1,128
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

Ian Jackson wrote:
My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]

Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8. Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app, and
personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.

So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?

If you install Windows Live Mail 2012 on Windows 8.1 and have access to
the entire Windows Mail message store from the Vista machine (assuming
Vista's Windows Mail was in use) then Windows Live Mail can import all
messages from the Vista Windows Mail message store folder.

Likewise if you used Windows Mail on Vista, the contacts were present
and stored in the userprofile\contacts folder. The contents of this
folder can be copied and pasted into the logged on Windows 8.1 user
profile useprofile\Contacts folder and imported directly into Windows
Live Mail 2012.

The Windows 8x Mail app is called - Mail, Calendar and People
- supports IMAP and Exchange Active Sync (EAS)

Outlook.com is a web site but it is also referred to as the domain (like
yahoo.com) for MSFT email accounts of the type (Outlook.com,
Hotmail.com, Live.com or MSN.com).
- thus contrary to what other might say one can go to Outlook.com and
send/receive mail for and Outlook.com email account but also take
advantage of the other online services when having and Outlook.com type
email account.
- Outlook.com email accounts can be setup using POP3, IMAP, or EAS
protocol in any email client that supports those same protocols.
Optionally, one can just use the web interfaceby logging on at
http://outlook.com with their MSFT account username/password to send and
receive email.

Once logged on to Outlook.com one has access to other , and free, MSFT
services (OneDrive; online Office Apps - Word, Excel, Powerpoint,
OneNote; Contacts, Calendar, Sway, Docs.com



--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #9  
Old October 26th 15, 10:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ian Jackson
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Posts: 168
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]

Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8. Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app, and
personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.

So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?

If you install Windows Live Mail 2012 on Windows 8.1 and have access to
the entire Windows Mail message store from the Vista machine (assuming
Vista's Windows Mail was in use) then Windows Live Mail can import all
messages from the Vista Windows Mail message store folder.

Likewise if you used Windows Mail on Vista, the contacts were present
and stored in the userprofile\contacts folder. The contents of this
folder can be copied and pasted into the logged on Windows 8.1 user
profile useprofile\Contacts folder and imported directly into Windows
Live Mail 2012.

The Windows 8x Mail app is called - Mail, Calendar and People
- supports IMAP and Exchange Active Sync (EAS)

Outlook.com is a web site but it is also referred to as the domain
(like yahoo.com) for MSFT email accounts of the type (Outlook.com,
Hotmail.com, Live.com or MSN.com).
- thus contrary to what other might say one can go to Outlook.com and
send/receive mail for and Outlook.com email account but also take
advantage of the other online services when having and Outlook.com type
email account.
- Outlook.com email accounts can be setup using POP3, IMAP, or EAS
protocol in any email client that supports those same protocols.
Optionally, one can just use the web interfaceby logging on at
http://outlook.com with their MSFT account username/password to send
and receive email.

Once logged on to Outlook.com one has access to other , and free, MSFT
services (OneDrive; online Office Apps - Word, Excel, Powerpoint,
OneNote; Contacts, Calendar, Sway, Docs.com

Thanks for the guidance.

I've determined that the Vista hard drive has Windows Live Mail - but it
also seems to have Windows Mail - so I don't know what's been happening.
There only seems to be one User.

I found the Storage Folders folder, and I've successfully imported the
contents of the Inbox, Junk Mail, Drafts etc (.eml files) into
Thunderbird (on my PC). However, there don't seem to be as many email
files as I would have expected, and I suspect there are more in other
folders. Previously, I had done a search for *.eml, and there were
around 2600 - but when I imported these (directly from the search
results), although they all transferred, they all were blank. I'll
investigate further.



--
Ian
  #10  
Old October 27th 15, 09:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston‫
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,128
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]

Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8. Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app, and
personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.

So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?

If you install Windows Live Mail 2012 on Windows 8.1 and have access
to the entire Windows Mail message store from the Vista machine
(assuming Vista's Windows Mail was in use) then Windows Live Mail can
import all messages from the Vista Windows Mail message store folder.

Likewise if you used Windows Mail on Vista, the contacts were present
and stored in the userprofile\contacts folder. The contents of this
folder can be copied and pasted into the logged on Windows 8.1 user
profile useprofile\Contacts folder and imported directly into Windows
Live Mail 2012.

The Windows 8x Mail app is called - Mail, Calendar and People
- supports IMAP and Exchange Active Sync (EAS)

Outlook.com is a web site but it is also referred to as the domain
(like yahoo.com) for MSFT email accounts of the type (Outlook.com,
Hotmail.com, Live.com or MSN.com).
- thus contrary to what other might say one can go to Outlook.com and
send/receive mail for and Outlook.com email account but also take
advantage of the other online services when having and Outlook.com
type email account.
- Outlook.com email accounts can be setup using POP3, IMAP, or EAS
protocol in any email client that supports those same protocols.
Optionally, one can just use the web interfaceby logging on at
http://outlook.com with their MSFT account username/password to send
and receive email.

Once logged on to Outlook.com one has access to other , and free, MSFT
services (OneDrive; online Office Apps - Word, Excel, Powerpoint,
OneNote; Contacts, Calendar, Sway, Docs.com

Thanks for the guidance.

I've determined that the Vista hard drive has Windows Live Mail - but it
also seems to have Windows Mail - so I don't know what's been happening.
There only seems to be one User.

I found the Storage Folders folder, and I've successfully imported the
contents of the Inbox, Junk Mail, Drafts etc (.eml files) into
Thunderbird (on my PC). However, there don't seem to be as many email
files as I would have expected, and I suspect there are more in other
folders. Previously, I had done a search for *.eml, and there were
around 2600 - but when I imported these (directly from the search
results), although they all transferred, they all were blank. I'll
investigate further.



It's possible the user was using both at the same time or one first then
the other later. The file dates in the MessageStore file or folder
might give a clue.

While familiar with WLM, WM for mail and news and SeaMonkey only for
news I don't use TBird for email so others will have to step in and
provide assistance on importing and possible related issues.

Good luck.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #11  
Old October 27th 15, 11:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ian Jackson
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Posts: 168
Default Transfer of email on Vista hard drive to new W8 PC

In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
My neighbour's Vista PC packed up, and he bought a new W8.1 machine.

The place that supplied it was supposed to have transferred over all the
stuff that was on the Vista PC, but there is no working email. For this
and for other reasons, he asked me if I could have a quick look at
things, and try and sort it out.

He has a 16GB memory stick, which is believed to have the transfer data
on it.

However, he also has the original Vista hard drive, which is OK (it
wasn't the cause of the failure). So instead of the trying to use the
memory stick, would it be possible to use a USB adapter on the hard
drive, and transfer the Vista email directly to the W8 PC? [I think it
was either Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail, and that there are three
password-protected accounts.]

Also, I'm confused about which email client you're supposed to use with
W8. Google brings up loads of information - much of which is
contradictory. So far, I haven't tried the W8 Outlook app, and
personally I think they might be better off using something 'sensible'
like Thunderbird.

So, if I installed Thunderbird, could I assess the Vista disk directly,
and export the email files to the W8 PC (of course, then import them
into Thunderbird)?

If you install Windows Live Mail 2012 on Windows 8.1 and have access
to the entire Windows Mail message store from the Vista machine
(assuming Vista's Windows Mail was in use) then Windows Live Mail can
import all messages from the Vista Windows Mail message store folder.

Likewise if you used Windows Mail on Vista, the contacts were present
and stored in the userprofile\contacts folder. The contents of this
folder can be copied and pasted into the logged on Windows 8.1 user
profile useprofile\Contacts folder and imported directly into Windows
Live Mail 2012.

The Windows 8x Mail app is called - Mail, Calendar and People
- supports IMAP and Exchange Active Sync (EAS)

Outlook.com is a web site but it is also referred to as the domain
(like yahoo.com) for MSFT email accounts of the type (Outlook.com,
Hotmail.com, Live.com or MSN.com).
- thus contrary to what other might say one can go to Outlook.com and
send/receive mail for and Outlook.com email account but also take
advantage of the other online services when having and Outlook.com
type email account.
- Outlook.com email accounts can be setup using POP3, IMAP, or EAS
protocol in any email client that supports those same protocols.
Optionally, one can just use the web interfaceby logging on at
http://outlook.com with their MSFT account username/password to send
and receive email.

Once logged on to Outlook.com one has access to other , and free, MSFT
services (OneDrive; online Office Apps - Word, Excel, Powerpoint,
OneNote; Contacts, Calendar, Sway, Docs.com

Thanks for the guidance.

I've determined that the Vista hard drive has Windows Live Mail - but it
also seems to have Windows Mail - so I don't know what's been happening.
There only seems to be one User.

I found the Storage Folders folder, and I've successfully imported the
contents of the Inbox, Junk Mail, Drafts etc (.eml files) into
Thunderbird (on my PC). However, there don't seem to be as many email
files as I would have expected, and I suspect there are more in other
folders. Previously, I had done a search for *.eml, and there were
around 2600 - but when I imported these (directly from the search
results), although they all transferred, they all were blank. I'll
investigate further.



It's possible the user was using both at the same time or one first
then the other later. The file dates in the MessageStore file or
folder might give a clue.


I had already resumed my delving, and I saw that the six mail folders in
the WLM 'Storage Folders' folder are dated Aug 2015.

In WM, they are in the 'Local Folders' folder, and they are dated Nov
2009. [Maybe a helpful Windows Vista 'update' at some time changed my
neighbour's WM to WLM? I wonder if they were thereafter able to access
the old emails?]. There are loads and loads of the older WM .eml emails,
so I guess I should include these in the transfer.

As I said, it's easy to import .emls into Thunderbird. Although I've
done WLM to TB, haven't tried importing into WLM. For practice, I was
going to install WLM on this XP machine, but it won't (even with a
version that says it will work on XP). However, I have a W7 laptop with
WLM (although I don't use it), so I will try that.

I've also found a website with a completely non-rambling and unambiguous
procedure, and it seems that you can simply copy over the whole of the
old PC WLM folder, and run new PC WLM Import function.
http://bit.ly/1N3l4zg

While familiar with WLM, WM for mail and news and SeaMonkey only for
news I don't use TBird for email so others will have to step in and
provide assistance on importing and possible related issues.


The main problem with WM and/or WLM is that it doesn't show proper
and quotes for the mail or newsgroup post you're replying to. What was
wrong with good old Outlook Express?!

Good luck.


Thanks!


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Old October 29th 15, 03:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston‫
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Ian Jackson wrote:

The main problem with WM and/or WLM is that it doesn't show proper
and quotes for the mail or newsgroup post you're replying to. What was
wrong with good old Outlook Express?!

Good luck.


Thanks!



Since the device you noted earlier is a replacement for 'the
neighbour's Vista PC' and so far indicates that he was using WM (at
once) and later WLM based on the date of the email messages (.eml)
you've found....it would seem that the best choice would be to remain
consistent with your neighbor's past usage pattern rather than ask then
to adapt to a new operating system (8.1) and a new email client.

Additionally, if the neighbor doesn't use newsgroups (you've yet to
mention that they do) then the quoting in any mail/news client
(especially if WLM was the last client) may be someone else's preference
on what they would do, but once again not the 'neighbor'

As you've already read quite a few respondents on what email client
should or shouldn't be used...but not a single one of those was your
neighbor unless you are the 'neighbor'

Just my 2 cents.

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msft mvp consumer apps
  #13  
Old October 29th 15, 10:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ian Jackson
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In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes
Ian Jackson wrote:

The main problem with WM and/or WLM is that it doesn't show proper
and quotes for the mail or newsgroup post you're replying to. What was
wrong with good old Outlook Express?!

Good luck.


Thanks!



Since the device you noted earlier is a replacement for 'the
neighbour's Vista PC' and so far indicates that he was using WM (at
once) and later WLM based on the date of the email messages (.eml)
you've found....it would seem that the best choice would be to remain
consistent with your neighbor's past usage pattern rather than ask then
to adapt to a new operating system (8.1) and a new email client.

Additionally, if the neighbor doesn't use newsgroups (you've yet to
mention that they do) then the quoting in any mail/news client
(especially if WLM was the last client) may be someone else's
preference on what they would do, but once again not the 'neighbor'

As you've already read quite a few respondents on what email client
should or shouldn't be used...but not a single one of those was your
neighbor unless you are the 'neighbor'

Just my 2 cents.

Well ........

Yesterday, I spent quite some time at my neighbour's simply trying to
get either WLM or WM to work. Neither did. After installing WLM, simply
nothing happened.

Attempts to install WM failed because "something was preventing it from
being installed". There was an error message saying that the Windows
firewall had to be turned on. It was on - but toggling it didn't help.
They have McAffee AV, so I disabled it, and tried again - and still no
go.

After returning home, I did some more Googling on the problems of
Windows 8.* email. It's pretty obvious that a heck of a lot of W8 people
are having problems with W(L)M, so I decided that the most obvious thing
was to abandon it, and use something which DOES work. My neighbour isn't
that bothered provided it works, so we agreed that I should try to
install Thunderbird.

Anyway, thanks to all for their help and suggestions. It's been an
interesting (if unproductive) exercise. As I said to my neighbour, "If
nothing else, it's a challenge!"
--
Ian
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Old October 29th 15, 07:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston‫
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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes
Ian Jackson wrote:

The main problem with WM and/or WLM is that it doesn't show proper
and quotes for the mail or newsgroup post you're replying to. What was
wrong with good old Outlook Express?!

Good luck.

Thanks!



Since the device you noted earlier is a replacement for 'the
neighbour's Vista PC' and so far indicates that he was using WM (at
once) and later WLM based on the date of the email messages (.eml)
you've found....it would seem that the best choice would be to remain
consistent with your neighbor's past usage pattern rather than ask
then to adapt to a new operating system (8.1) and a new email client.

Additionally, if the neighbor doesn't use newsgroups (you've yet to
mention that they do) then the quoting in any mail/news client
(especially if WLM was the last client) may be someone else's
preference on what they would do, but once again not the 'neighbor'

As you've already read quite a few respondents on what email client
should or shouldn't be used...but not a single one of those was your
neighbor unless you are the 'neighbor'

Just my 2 cents.

Well ........

Yesterday, I spent quite some time at my neighbour's simply trying to
get either WLM or WM to work. Neither did. After installing WLM, simply
nothing happened.

Attempts to install WM failed because "something was preventing it from
being installed". There was an error message saying that the Windows
firewall had to be turned on. It was on - but toggling it didn't help.
They have McAffee AV, so I disabled it, and tried again - and still no go.

After returning home, I did some more Googling on the problems of
Windows 8.* email. It's pretty obvious that a heck of a lot of W8 people
are having problems with W(L)M, so I decided that the most obvious thing
was to abandon it, and use something which DOES work. My neighbour isn't
that bothered provided it works, so we agreed that I should try to
install Thunderbird.

Anyway, thanks to all for their help and suggestions. It's been an
interesting (if unproductive) exercise. As I said to my neighbour, "If
nothing else, it's a challenge!"


You probably received a message that .NET 2 and/or 3 needed to be
present on 8.1
- enable the feature in 8.1 Programs and Features/Turn Windows
features on or off.


If you were trying to install WLM 2009 on 8.1 - don't. For 8.1 install
WLM 2012 and only 2012.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #15  
Old October 30th 15, 11:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ian Jackson
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In message , =?UTF-8?Q?...
winston=e2=80=ab?= writes




You probably received a message that .NET 2 and/or 3 needed to be
present on 8.1
- enable the feature in 8.1 Programs and Features/Turn Windows
features on or off.


No. The error code simply referred to the Windows firewall needing to be
on - which it was. Turning it off then on made no difference (even with
rebooting each time).

As the W8.1 PC is only a few weeks old, I presume it will have received
all the latest automatic updates - including those required for
upgrading to W10! [But I realise it may not have got optional updates.]

If you were trying to install WLM 2009 on 8.1 - don't. For 8.1 install
WLM 2012 and only 2012.


It certainly wasn't 2009. I think it was 2012.

To be honest, while these things are a challenge, I think I've spent
enough time on trying to get a (any) Windows mail/news client working on
W8.1 - in the hope that it might eventually work provided it's exactly
the right version, that the PC has certain specific optional updates
installed, and whether there's a R in the month and a following wind.
[Sorry for the rather jaundiced view of things!]

Instead, I've been configuring Thunderbird Portable according to my
neighbour's ISP setup requirements, and I've transferred his WM and WLM
emails to it. Hopefully, when I plug the memory stick into his PC, it
should run normally, and it will only require the addition of his
password to again get access his online emails. If that works, it's
probably best to convert Thunderbird to the install version.

Anyway, again thanks for all the advice. It's all good fun, but I think
I'll try to avoid the problems of W8 (and above) for as long as
possible!
--
Ian
 




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