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  #31  
Old January 2nd 16, 03:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stan Brown
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 12:17:44 -0500, Slimer wrote:
You're ignoring Windows 7 which was a masterpiece and Windows 10
which, according to a list published today, is the version of Windows
with the least vulnerabilities.


Not counting the ones built in by Microsoft, of course.

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  #32  
Old January 2nd 16, 04:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2016-01-01 4:51 PM, Moss Grimmik wrote:

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Yeah but how many of those other OS that you mentioned use a key
logger to nib**** your private stuff?


If you have evidence that there is indeed a _keylogger_ in proprietary
products which is absent from the free software, I would love to see it.

- --
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"They're not problems. They're tired old FUD. Slimer's attack on nvidia
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NVIDIA's driver in the operating system.
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  #33  
Old January 2nd 16, 04:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Ed Mullen wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Ed Mullen wrote:

Through a combination of tweaks and add-ons I've made W10 look pretty
much like W7.


Please provide screenshots...


Here ya go: http://edmullen.net/temp/shot.jpg

The Start menu is produced by the add-on Classic Start Menu/Classic Shell.

http://www.classicshell.net/

I'm particularly interested in how you got rid of the upper
right-hand window border weirdness where there is only the thinnest
line, if you can grab it, for resizing the window. That nonsense
started right after Windows XP.


I have no problem grabbing any corner of a window and resizing it.


If you can easily grab a single pixel on a modern high-resolution
monitor, more power to you.

Oh! If you mean a maximized window, yes.


I'm talking about normal "restored" Windows, not maximized windows.

Starting with Windows Vista, for some strange reason Microsoft removed
the border around the upper right-hand buttons even when the window is
not maximized.

Apart from destroying the Windows' look and feel... One of the
silliest things Microsoft has done I believe beginning with Windows
XP is to put a border around maximized windows that interferes with
effortless clicking on the scrollbar. Nowadays it's all mixed up.
Some programs include that border and some don't. Consistency is
lost.


Not seeing what you're describing.


It's been that way for 15 years...

When the window is maximized, there's no need for a border. No border
means you can easily click on the buttons in the upper right-hand side
or an empty area of the scrollbar. But Microsoft royally screwed up that
stuff by removing the upper right-hand border from non-maximized windows
too. That area is barely functional for resizing the window.

And before that, Microsoft put a border on a maximized window on the
right-hand side where the scrollbar is. Totally retarded. Although
apparently that practice has been somewhat rescinded since nowadays some
programs do not have a right-hand side border.

Here in X-News, both conditions exist with maximized windows... In this
editing window, I can slap the mouse pointer against the right-hand side
scrollbar and click to page-up or page-down. But in the message view
window, there is a sliver of a border that prevents the mouse from
scrolling the window (unless you back the mouse off of the side of the
window a pixel or two). That maximized window right-hand side border
nonsense was introduced in Windows XP.

One nice thing about W10 is that you can mouse wheel scroll a window
that does not have focus.


If you mean without activating the window... That's certainly worth a
try. If there is no other use for the scroll wheel when moving the
pointer over inactive windows, it can't hurt anything.
  #34  
Old January 2nd 16, 04:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Go play on a highway, troll...

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 12:17:44 -0500, Slimer wrote:
You're ignoring Windows 7 which was a masterpiece and Windows 10
which, according to a list published today, is the version of
Windows with the least vulnerabilities.


Not counting the ones built in by Microsoft, of course.


By all means, provide us with a list of these build-in vulnerabilities.

- --
Slimer
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"They're not problems. They're tired old FUD. Slimer's attack on nvidia
drivers in particular fly in the face of very well established facts."
- - GNU/Linux "advocate" JEDIDIAH, denying that there are problems with
NVIDIA's driver in the operating system.
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  #35  
Old January 2nd 16, 04:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2016-01-01 9:23 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 12:17:44 -0500, Slimer wrote:
You're ignoring Windows 7 which was a masterpiece and Windows 10
which, according to a list published today, is the version of
Windows with the least vulnerabilities.


Not counting the ones built in by Microsoft, of course.


By all means, provide us with a list of these build-in vulnerabilities.

- --
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Mozilla & PETA supporter

"They're not problems. They're tired old FUD. Slimer's attack on nvidia
drivers in particular fly in the face of very well established facts."
- - GNU/Linux "advocate" JEDIDIAH, denying that there are problems with
NVIDIA's driver in the operating system.
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  #36  
Old January 2nd 16, 04:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Go play on a highway, troll...

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On 2016-01-01 4:51 PM, Moss Grimmik wrote:

snip long quote

Yeah but how many of those other OS that you mentioned use a key
logger to nib**** your private stuff?


If you have evidence that there is indeed a _keylogger_ in proprietary
products which is absent from the free software, I would love to see it.

- --
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Mozilla & PETA supporter

"They're not problems. They're tired old FUD. Slimer's attack on nvidia
drivers in particular fly in the face of very well established facts." -
GNU/Linux "advocate" JEDIDIAH, denying that there are problems with
NVIDIA's driver in the operating system.
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  #37  
Old January 2nd 16, 04:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.usenet,free.spirit
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On 2016-01-01 10:14 PM, John Doe wrote:
Go play on a highway, troll...


You have a very warped idea of what a troll is.

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  #38  
Old January 2nd 16, 04:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Brian Gregory
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On 01/01/2016 22:07, bert wrote:
In article , Ed Mullen
writes
John Doe wrote on 12/30/2015 6:43 PM:
Getting Windows 8 for $40 and now Windows 10 for free. Easy to
understand why, because Microsoft is under humongous reverse pressure
from ultraportable PCs and their operating systems. But I have a feeling
it's going to effect more than the price of Windows.

This reminds me of the big Microsoft antitrust trial prior to 2000.
That's when Windows XP came out and ended the crappy consumer versions
of Windows power users had to restart several times during the day. This
huge pressure on Microsoft could result in another major improvement of
quality. No more sitting on its hands, at least for a while.

Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even use
Windows Vista or Windows 7.


You missed out on W7. Great OS. So far I'm unimpressed by W10 by
comparison. It's getting better but almost in secret. You have to dig
around to find what's new and better. Like changing the program title
bar color from that horrid white. Took out the ability then put it
back in. Why didn't they just ask first? Or why even contemplate
changing that? White? Uh, white?

It's almost as if the MS Devs like being called idiots and cursed at.
Geez.

Lemme see, an MS Windows dev meeting ...

"Let's make all the title bars white!"

"Why?"

"Because we can!"

"Um, what if people don't like it?"

"What!? Of course they will!!!"

"Why?"

"I don't care!"



My wife bought a new laptop with 8.1 She was happy with it but upgraded
to W10.
Noticeably slower and she preferred the 8.1 tiles.
So rolled back to 8.1
Now is unhappy with a partially ****ed up 8.1


Originally in Windows 10 you were only few clicks away from changing
back to the full screen of tiles type start menu, which is I presume
what she wanted. But they seem to have removed that feature now. :-(

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  #39  
Old January 2nd 16, 05:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stan Brown
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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 22:15:00 -0500, Slimer wrote:

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On 2016-01-01 9:23 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 12:17:44 -0500, Slimer wrote:
You're ignoring Windows 7 which was a masterpiece and Windows 10
which, according to a list published today, is the version of
Windows with the least vulnerabilities.


Not counting the ones built in by Microsoft, of course.


By all means, provide us with a list of these build-in vulnerabilities.


You already know them -- Windows 10 sends all sorts of private
information to Microsoft.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/29740...w-to-turn-off-
windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html

is just the first hit of many, when one does a Google search.

Quote from Microsoft, requoted in that article: "When you interact
with your Windows device by speaking, writing (handwriting), or
typing, Microsoft collects speech, inking, and typing
information?including information about your Calendar and People
(also known as contacts)..."

And the same stuff is retrofitted int9o Windows 7 and 8 unless you
carefully reject any updates having to do with "telemetry".

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  #40  
Old January 2nd 16, 05:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stan Brown
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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 22:11:50 -0500, Slimer wrote:

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On 2016-01-01 4:51 PM, Moss Grimmik wrote:

snip long quote

Yeah but how many of those other OS that you mentioned use a key
logger to nib**** your private stuff?


If you have evidence that there is indeed a _keylogger_ in proprietary
products which is absent from the free software, I would love to see it.


I doubt that you would, but here it is anyway:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/29740...w-to-turn-off-
windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html

--
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http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...
  #41  
Old January 2nd 16, 06:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2016-01-02 11:36 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 22:15:00 -0500, Slimer wrote:

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On 2016-01-01 9:23 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 12:17:44 -0500, Slimer wrote:
You're ignoring Windows 7 which was a masterpiece and Windows
10 which, according to a list published today, is the version
of Windows with the least vulnerabilities.

Not counting the ones built in by Microsoft, of course.


By all means, provide us with a list of these build-in
vulnerabilities.


You already know them -- Windows 10 sends all sorts of private
information to Microsoft.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/29740...w-to-turn-off-
windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html

is just the first hit of many, when one does a Google search.

Quote from Microsoft, requoted in that article: "When you interact
with your Windows device by speaking, writing (handwriting), or
typing, Microsoft collects speech, inking, and typing
information?including information about your Calendar and People
(also known as contacts)..."

And the same stuff is retrofitted int9o Windows 7 and 8 unless you
carefully reject any updates having to do with "telemetry".


The problem that I have with PC World (and your) decision to call it a
keylogger is that keyloggers were traditionally used for the express
purpose of collecting usernames and passwords from unsuspecting
victims. In this case, Microsoft is using the supposed keylogger to
allow its search engine to predict what you are looking for (like
Google) and to enhance the services it offers to the user. As far as I
can tell, there is no real spying going on and they are not selling
user data, monitoring your activities or anything of the sort the way
Google does. It honestly feels like people are overreacting to
something which is nothing more than a necessity to allow certain
features to work correctly.

I might be wrong but the amount of evidence articles have presented so
far that Microsoft is doing something wrong has been very weak.

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  #42  
Old January 2nd 16, 09:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Stan Brown wrote:

Slimer wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Slimer wrote:


You're ignoring Windows 7 which was a masterpiece and Windows 10
which, according to a list published today, is the version of
Windows with the least vulnerabilities.

Not counting the ones built in by Microsoft, of course.


By all means, provide us with a list of these build-in vulnerabilities.


You already know them -- Windows 10 sends all sorts of private
information to Microsoft.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/29740...l-has-one.html


Most of that stuff is well known, but this one is interesting...

choice.Microsoft.com

That must be turned off in all of your browsers?!









--


is just the first hit of many, when one does a Google search.

Quote from Microsoft, requoted in that article: "When you interact
with your Windows device by speaking, writing (handwriting), or
typing, Microsoft collects speech, inking, and typing
information?including information about your Calendar and People
(also known as contacts)..."

And the same stuff is retrofitted int9o Windows 7 and 8 unless you
carefully reject any updates having to do with "telemetry".


  #43  
Old January 2nd 16, 09:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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I wrote:

Stan Brown wrote:
Slimer wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Slimer wrote:


You're ignoring Windows 7 which was a masterpiece and Windows 10
which, according to a list published today, is the version of
Windows with the least vulnerabilities.

Not counting the ones built in by Microsoft, of course.

By all means, provide us with a list of these build-in
vulnerabilities.


You already know them -- Windows 10 sends all sorts of private
information to Microsoft.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/29740...l-has-one.html


Most of that stuff is well known, but this one is interesting...

choice.Microsoft.com

That must be turned off in all of your browsers?!


"To opt out of personalized ads in this browser, your browser must allow
first-party and third-party cookies"

I have to enable third-party cookies???

Future Microsoft privacy settings locations...

you.weren't.supposed.to.find.this.Microsoft.com

it.won't.be.so.easy.next.time.Microsoft.com
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Old January 2nd 16, 10:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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The counter argument would be... Luu Trans wrote X-News in Delphi or
some such language, not with Microsoft tools. But it was just an
example.

However... You can see the same maximized window scrollbar weirdness
among Microsoft branded programs WordPad and Notepad. In a maximized
WordPad window you will notice that the pointer flush against the
right-hand side will scroll the window. But in Notepad, there is a
border on the maximized window that doesn't allow such scrolling.

I noticed it immediately, but I don't recall which version of Windows
95/98/XP. You don't need borders on a maximized window, but some
Microsoft programmer or manager got the silly idea that you should have
a border on a maximized window.

And then there are other ridiculous things, like file manager not
allowing keyboard up/down arrow navigation in the navigation pane. That
nonsense was introduced after Windows XP. Microsoft has always known
about it but just doesn't bother to fix it.

I suspect Microsoft hasn't fixed the focus problem in file manager,
either. Like when you're at the top of a file list and change the
sorting because you're looking for a different file. Microsoft throws
the focus to wherever the randomly highlighted file happens to be. Other
programmers do not change the focus when the file sort order is changed.
They might keep the file highlighted, but if it's out of view they don't
throw you to that part of the list.
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Old January 3rd 16, 04:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ed Mullen[_2_]
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John Doe wrote on 1/2/2016 4:47 PM:
The counter argument would be... Luu Trans wrote X-News in Delphi or
some such language, not with Microsoft tools. But it was just an
example.

However... You can see the same maximized window scrollbar weirdness
among Microsoft branded programs WordPad and Notepad. In a maximized
WordPad window you will notice that the pointer flush against the
right-hand side will scroll the window. But in Notepad, there is a
border on the maximized window that doesn't allow such scrolling.

I noticed it immediately, but I don't recall which version of Windows
95/98/XP. You don't need borders on a maximized window, but some
Microsoft programmer or manager got the silly idea that you should have
a border on a maximized window.

And then there are other ridiculous things, like file manager not
allowing keyboard up/down arrow navigation in the navigation pane. That
nonsense was introduced after Windows XP. Microsoft has always known
about it but just doesn't bother to fix it.

I suspect Microsoft hasn't fixed the focus problem in file manager,
either. Like when you're at the top of a file list and change the
sorting because you're looking for a different file. Microsoft throws
the focus to wherever the randomly highlighted file happens to be. Other
programmers do not change the focus when the file sort order is changed.
They might keep the file highlighted, but if it's out of view they don't
throw you to that part of the list.


And don't you have to wonder about the programmatical logic behing that?

Do these people actually USE the product? I doubt it. Seems they must
be stuck in some programmer's dream state.


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