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  #76  
Old January 6th 16, 07:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default How to make a boot & repair disk Win 10

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On 2016-01-06 12:40 PM, Jake wrote:

Couldn't find anything useful on Google.



Settings - Update & Security - Recovery

That's if you only want to start fresh. For boot and repair disc, my
suggestion is that you simply make an image of your desktop with
Macrium Reflect and a USB restore key from within the same software.

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  #77  
Old January 6th 16, 10:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default How to make a boot & repair disk Win 10

Jake wrote:


"Paul" wrote in message ...

Jake wrote:

Couldn't find anything useful on Google.



Boot your Vista/Windows7/Windows8/Windows19 machine
and run the browser, visit this page and get the
MediaCreationTool. Match the OS version currently
on your computer, before starting the download from
the MediaCreationTool.exe .


http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO


Paul


Tks. for the input.

After I posted I gave it another look. Burned a CD like this, using ,
"file History", click, "system image backup", click, "create a system
repair disc". Eazy Peazy.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...947&FORM=VIRE1


It never hurts to have the full DVD, and before some
version you might like is gone. If you don't have
the Internet connection for such a download, visit
your Public Library, book a machine for an hour, and
attempt the download on their system.

Paul
  #78  
Old January 7th 16, 01:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

Paul wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
John Doe wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

And things did not work properly on my Vaio laptop and it did not
revert, had to wipe everything and reinstall 8.1 from scratch.

That's what Macrium Reflect is for. Life can be so easy...

Win 10 is supposed to do it for you and revert seamlessly if done
before a couple of weeks


Actually, no.

The seamless part, is anything contained in Windows.old
is preserved very nicely. No argument there.

However, they modify the contents of your Program Files,
removing programs as they see fit, which means an
attempt to revert, they never put the contents
of Program Files back.

This is why we use backup software here. *Backup* before
your "free" Upgrade installation! That's how you revert,
with absolutely no issues at all. A backup copy will
keep your Program Files, the way you had it.

HTH,
Paul



So to give in to microsoft exhortation and update from a perfectly good
working system with 128 GB SSD to a FREE one which does not work and
stops what you had from working on revert You need to spend $100.00 or
so for external memory to back up to.
  #79  
Old January 7th 16, 02:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul
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F Murtz wrote:
Paul wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
John Doe wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

And things did not work properly on my Vaio laptop and it did not
revert, had to wipe everything and reinstall 8.1 from scratch.

That's what Macrium Reflect is for. Life can be so easy...

Win 10 is supposed to do it for you and revert seamlessly if done
before a couple of weeks


Actually, no.

The seamless part, is anything contained in Windows.old
is preserved very nicely. No argument there.

However, they modify the contents of your Program Files,
removing programs as they see fit, which means an
attempt to revert, they never put the contents
of Program Files back.

This is why we use backup software here. *Backup* before
your "free" Upgrade installation! That's how you revert,
with absolutely no issues at all. A backup copy will
keep your Program Files, the way you had it.

HTH,
Paul



So to give in to microsoft exhortation and update from a perfectly good
working system with 128 GB SSD to a FREE one which does not work and
stops what you had from working on revert You need to spend $100.00 or
so for external memory to back up to.


You're using the same backup drive you
were using for your *regular* backups.

Especially with an SSD. They're prone to
little surprises (from the CHKDSK perspective)
a little more often than a regular disk.
So I would increase the backup frequency
until you have some time under your belt,
to have observed the peculiarities of your
particular setup.

I got a 3TB Seagate drive for $120 CDN which
transfers data at around 200MB/sec near the beginning
of the disk. Coupled with a USB3 enclosure for
$40 that also does 200MB/sec, that's sufficient
to make a nice partner for an SSD. I would not
trust the 3TB Seagate for 24/7 usage (due to
previous Seagate issues), but as a backup drive
with only hundreds of service hours on it, it should
be fine for regular backups. I disconnect it when
it is not being used.

Currently, my best Seagate (ST3500418AS) has 27,256 hours on it.
And it remains unexplained why that one is so much better
than a pile of others I've had here. I would expect
my 3TB drive to be dead several times over, with that
many service hours on it.

The motor on modern drives, the bearings are frictionless,
until they run out of lubricant. But the failure mechanisms
inside drives now, mean there are other things that
make the drive unusable, before the motor goes out.
And surface plating failures will become more common,
as the flying height keeps dropping. Hitachi experimented
with a drive a couple years ago, where the heads "skated"
on the platter on purpose. And the heads were completely ground
off, after 30 days of usage. Now, the fact they're doing an
experiment like that, tells you where the flying height
is headed. It'll be like a floppy diskette. There are existing
patents which claim the flying height is 3nm. Which I find
a little hard to believe.

Paul
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Old January 7th 16, 09:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

F Murtz wrote:

Paul wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
John Doe wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

And things did not work properly on my Vaio laptop and it did not
revert, had to wipe everything and reinstall 8.1 from scratch.

That's what Macrium Reflect is for. Life can be so easy...

Win 10 is supposed to do it for you and revert seamlessly if done
before a couple of weeks


Actually, no.

The seamless part, is anything contained in Windows.old is preserved
very nicely. No argument there.

However, they modify the contents of your Program Files, removing
programs as they see fit, which means an attempt to revert, they
never put the contents of Program Files back.

This is why we use backup software here. *Backup* before your "free"
Upgrade installation! That's how you revert, with absolutely no
issues at all. A backup copy will keep your Program Files, the way
you had it.


So to give in to microsoft exhortation and update from a perfectly
good working system with 128 GB SSD to a FREE one which does not work
and stops what you had from working on revert You need to spend
$100.00 or so for external memory to back up to.


I do wonder what Microsoft is thinking. Perhaps most users don't
consider reinstalling Windows to be a big deal. But since you do...

I also have a 128 GB SSD primary drive, for windows and programs. That
plus a very inexpensive 750 GB (now it would be almost 2 GB) secondary
drive for multimedia and backups. And Macrium Reflect for free.

A huge conventional backup/secondary drive is about $55 (US).

I've been backing up the primary Windows drive since about Windows 95.
Never looking back. Microsoft restoration utilities were a complete
waste of time. I went through very many different third-party backup
utilities. Macrium Reflect has proved to be the best by far. It's been
flawless. And I doubt it can be any easier.

Unfortunately, seems that Macrium Reflect has removed the option to make
a Linux recovery CD, so eventually I'll need to find some way to put
their more recent version on a recovery drive. But, for now, the prior
version recovery CD works perfectly. Therefore I would recommend using
one of their prior versions for Windows 8.1.
  #81  
Old January 24th 16, 04:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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edevils wrote:
On 06/01/2016 13:56, F Murtz wrote:
John Doe wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

And things did not work properly on my Vaio laptop and it did not
revert, had to wipe everything and reinstall 8.1 from scratch.

That's what Macrium Reflect is for. Life can be so easy...

Win 10 is supposed to do it for you and revert seamlessly if done
before a couple of weeks


1. Not always as "seamlessly" as it is *supposed* to be, even if done
immediately after the upgrade. See what Paul says.
2. Reverting is a slower process than restoring a backup image.
3. You can restore the backup image whenever you like, while the
reverting feature is limited to 31 days max.
4. Backing up is a good practice anyway, regardless of the upgrade.
5. In case your hard disk is nearly full, you may need to delete
windows.old to free up disk space, and then regret having deleted
it... when you need it! On the contrary, backing up to an external
disk or pendrive or NAS... is not a problem.


Is your Win 7 or 8 key still good after installing win 10. Or can you not get
updates or key authorization after reverting back with a backup copy?


 




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