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  #16  
Old April 25th 18, 04:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
HB[_3_]
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"Patrick" wrote in message
news
On 16/04/2018 07:15, HB wrote:
So the Tosh sits here until I decide what to do with it. We're thinking
of
taking it to a tech' to replace the HD and OS with W7. Is that possible
does anyone know, or does MS control what they can install? Forcing the
sale of W10?


You appear to be quite able to remove the HDD so you can easily install
a/the new one (though you would need to transfer the Tosh's HDD) case to
the neww one.
You allready have a license for W7 via the OEM (Toshiba), said license is
in the form of the set of numbers (5 groups of five digits) that is on the
label underneath the machine,
(?????-?????-?????-?????).


It turns out, the wife said, that there were problems with the memory also.
It wouldn't release closed pages online and needed to be rebooted or those
pages closed manually using task manager (alt/ctrl/del). She doesn't
believe the HD was the only problem making the Tosh so slow. We decided to
give it to someone who wants to spend the time and money to fix it or have
it fixed. This was quite an experience.
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all humankind would quickly perish since they
constantly pray for many evils to befall one another.

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  #17  
Old April 25th 18, 06:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Tosh' update - dead HD

HB wrote:
"Patrick" wrote in message
news
On 16/04/2018 07:15, HB wrote:
So the Tosh sits here until I decide what to do with it. We're thinking
of
taking it to a tech' to replace the HD and OS with W7. Is that possible
does anyone know, or does MS control what they can install? Forcing the
sale of W10?

You appear to be quite able to remove the HDD so you can easily install
a/the new one (though you would need to transfer the Tosh's HDD) case to
the neww one.
You allready have a license for W7 via the OEM (Toshiba), said license is
in the form of the set of numbers (5 groups of five digits) that is on the
label underneath the machine,
(?????-?????-?????-?????).


It turns out, the wife said, that there were problems with the memory also.
It wouldn't release closed pages online and needed to be rebooted or those
pages closed manually using task manager (alt/ctrl/del). She doesn't
believe the HD was the only problem making the Tosh so slow. We decided to
give it to someone who wants to spend the time and money to fix it or have
it fixed. This was quite an experience.


That's what memtest.org is for.

Downloads are half-way down the page.

Imgburn would convert the tiny ISO from the .ISO.zip
into a bootable CD. And the CD boots into memtest with
the blue-colored screen.

It can take up to two hours for "Pass=1" to prove
it completed a basic test. Test #5 usually uncovers
issues, if you're in a big rush, and you can select
just Test #5 in the interest of time.

The test will run forever, unless you stop it.

Pressing esc causes the computer to reboot.
Remove the media if you don't plan on using memtest
again - as soon as memtest is loaded and the blue colored
screen appears, you can remove the media. It doesn't read
from the media, once the test is started.

Paul
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Old April 25th 18, 06:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Tosh' update - dead HD

In message , HB writes:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , HB writes:
..... Seems kind of high when new laptops and
notebooks are going for as little as $249 at the WalMart stores.


. (Just one thing to check -
whether the dead drive was 7 or 9 mm thick. If 7, make sure the
replacement is, or if not that the space for it is deep enough; if 9, then
I think either thickness of replacement will fit.)


I'll take the HD I removed with me if we decide to go that route. The wife


(You needn't have done that - just measure it. But you've decided
otherwise anyway.)

also remined me about the memory issue. Since I don't spend much time on


From what you go on to describe as "the memory issue", it was not faulty
memory as such (Paul's memtest86 notes will check for that), but
something like pages held in memory not being released: that has nothing
to do with faulty memory. Reinstalling Windows 7 and everything else,
from scratch, would wipe out any such problem.

Facebook it was an ussue for me. I think we're tilting to donating the
Tosh and just replacing it altogether. Anyone who wants to take it for free
and replace the HD/OS and possibly the Memory can have it. I'm sure some
techie where I live would love to have it, rather than recycle it.


I would, but I'm in UK (-:

I'm not sure what you're referring to there. If you mean the Heidoc tool
for downloading a Windows 7 installation DVD image, my understanding is
that you now run that tool, and you will be presented with a list of
Windows variants (Basic, Home, Pro, etc., 32 or 64 bit), from which you
select the appropriate one, then enter your XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX
key from the Microsoft sticker, and it will then download - from
Microsoft, not from Heidoc, so it's genuine and legal - a .iso image of
the appropriate installation disc. But I've not actually used the Heidoc
tool myself, so check with Paul's instructions in case I'm in error about
some aspect - or just try it, you won't lose anything by doing so.


This is true. I'll try it for the experience alone. :^)


If you're going to give the Tosh away anyway, then do it (getting a W7
install disc using the Heidoc tool) for one (or all) of the computers
you're going to keep. No point (I _think_) in getting one for the Tosh
if you're not going to keep it.
[]
.... But
let's assume it is dud for now - we'll maybe look into that (much) later.
(Even if it's OK hardware-wise, it's probably corrupted enough that we're
not going to recover the Windows installation that was on it, so let's
proceed with installing on a new HD.)


There's that memory issue too the wife reminded me of. She would check task
manager when the PC slowed to a dead crawl to find loads of past pages from
FB she was no longer on, necessitating a reboot or manually closing them.


That's definitely not faulty memory.

Interesting that you say "_when_ the PC slowed to a dead crawl"; I'd
thought from what you'd been saying that it was slow all the time.
(Pretty likely that the HD had died anyway, though, so discussion of the
rest is academic.)

She wants to donate it to someone who has the time and money to have it
checked out and it's "issues" as she calls them - fixed.


Could be only one issue - dud HD.

I'd have to download IE8 because I use MozillaFFox. When I burned the


If you've got Windows 7, you've got IE, ... Found it under Programs in
WindowsExplorer.


Yes, it used something built into Windows.


It did the right job!

[]
I think it tells you on screen what the number is, when it gets to that
point during the installation/activation process.

[]
My wife's stuck on the memory proplem now. I wish she would have mentioned
it before. I'm sure she has but....


From the description, it wasn't a memory problem, just a problem with
how something (probably the browser) was set up; since you'd be
reinstalling everything anyway, that would disappear.

She just laid down the law. She wants the Tosh to go. She's adamant I spent
enough time on it. She's ready to give the girls her W-7 and buy a new PC
for her work. She'll just copy her files to the new PC. She said her
software will work on W-10. The girls software, their games will wotk on
her old W-7. Maybe she just wants a new PC for herself. :^)


Maybe.

We're both off today so I guess it's a trip to town to look at a new PC for
her.

OK.

*Whatever* happens, once the dust has settled, make images - using
either the built-in Windows method or (Paul and I would prefer) Macrium
- for ALL your WORKING PCs, probably including the wife's new one. AND
the boot CD that's needed to go with whichever method you choose. Then,
should the HD die on any one of those, you just: buy a replacement HD,
fit it, boot from the CD, and reload from the image you made to the new
HD; system is back working. No fuss.
You might need to get another HD to keep all these images on, if they
won't fit on your Seagate. Just a blank drive will do, as you can use it
with your slow-boat-from-China "cable". But even if you don't buy
another drive, make images on the Seagate for as many computers as will
fit on it.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I like to think of her as Mary Poppins's evil twin - Michelle Gomez, on the
character "Missy" (female version of the Master?) she plays in Doctor Who
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Old April 25th 18, 07:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Tosh' update - dead HD

HB wrote:


My wife's stuck on the memory proplem now. I wish she would have mentioned
it before. I'm sure she has but....


Maintaining your own computers is cheaper than buying
a new one, every time it has a problem.

But it takes practice, to learn anything. One step forward,
two steps back. And so on.

The more modern the computer, the more complicated it is
to maintain. The smaller the computer gets, the more impervious
it becomes to maintenance (keep your $100 Tablet away from me... :-) ).

Right now, for example, I'm trying to figure out how
a Windows namespace has "broken loose", and I'm going
through my backups looking for examples of "working stuff" :-)
Aren't computers fun... etc. I tried Googling already, and
that didn't help me. So now I have to go on a journey
of discovery. That's going to take a while.

Paul
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Old April 25th 18, 07:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Tosh' update - dead HD

In message , Paul
writes:
HB wrote:

My wife's stuck on the memory proplem now. I wish she would have
mentioned it before. I'm sure she has but....


Maintaining your own computers is cheaper than buying
a new one, every time it has a problem.

[]
Agreed.

But enough people do that anyway, so Microsoft and the manufacturers are
happy ...
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Her [Valerie Singleton's] main job on /Blue Peter/ was to stop unpredictable
creatres running amok. And that was just John Noakes.
- Alison Pearson, RT 2014/9/6-12
 




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