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Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:19:33 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Steve Hayes on Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these days. Try Pegasus first, I am still using Eudora. Might have to switch to Outlook for "work" related reasons. Perhaps you could use different readers for "work" and private e-mail? -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com |
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Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these days. Try Pegasus first, Two points: 1. I used to use Pegasus, but I moved to Outlook because I like it better. 2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and choosing what *you* like best. |
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Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10
Steve Hayes on Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:36:41 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:19:33 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: Steve Hayes on Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these days. Try Pegasus first, I am still using Eudora. Might have to switch to Outlook for "work" related reasons. Perhaps you could use different readers for "work" and private e-mail? Yeah, trying that. Sometimes, I have to learn a different program than the one I use, so that I can be Tech Support. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 10:10:28 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: And VanguardLH said "Have you ever been to their web-based forums to see the typical responses from so-called Microsoft reps? Worthless. They catch a few keywords, spew some irrelevant crap, like reciting some general troubleshooting procedure that does NOT address the issue, and do not return to actually work on the issue. They are drive-by one-time automatons puking out canned responses. Look at their replies. You really think someone cogitated those responses on their own that outline some general procedure that obviously doesn't address the specific issue?" I'll also strongly second what VanguardLH said. There's an occasional exception, but the enormous majority of Microsoft reps in the forums are useless. To make matters worse, most of them are in India. Not that I have anything against Indians, but most of these "reps" speak, read, and write English very poorly. They often misunderstand the questions, and even if they understand them, answer them in an unintelligible way. Good news! See https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/micros...orums-anymore/ which says "Microsoft is done answering your questions about Windows 7, 8, and 8.1—at least, on its official support forums. "The company announced in a post that Microsoft employees will no longer answer forum questions about older operating systems come July 2018. Microsoft Security Essentials, Internet Explorer 10, and Office 2010/2013 will also no longer see official forum support. "To be clear: users can still post questions, and other users can answer those questions. The only change is that no one employed by Microsoft will provide support." I wish they would do the same with Windows 10 questions. |
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Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10
"Ken Blake" wrote
| Good news! See | https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/micros...orums-anymore/ | | which says "Microsoft is done answering your questions about Windows | 7, 8, and 8.1-at least, on its official support forums. | That's what the original post was about. I wonder what you thought you were discussing. |
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Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:48:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these days. Try Pegasus first, Two points: 1. I used to use Pegasus, but I moved to Outlook because I like it better. 2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and choosing what *you* like best. That's what I recommended. I did say "try". -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com |
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Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10
"Steve Hayes" wrote
| 2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As | always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and | choosing what *you* like best. | | That's what I recommended. I did say "try". | Those are actually my favorite posts. It can be very helpful to know what other people find useful. Though it would be more helpful if you detailed why you like it. Someone recommended Claws the other day, describing it as a substitute for OE. As an OE user who's loathe to go through the hassle of converting to TBird, with it's various rough edges, I decided to give that a try.... One of these days. I think Ken Blake is a person of strong opinions who means well. So he can't help asserting that what he thinks is the right way to think, but then he dutifully adds a disclaimer: "You'd have to be a nut to order the tofu burger, but, hey, I respect your right to choose for yourself." |
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Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 07:30:19 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:48:01 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these days. Try Pegasus first, Two points: 1. I used to use Pegasus, but I moved to Outlook because I like it better. 2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and choosing what *you* like best. That's what I recommended. I did say "try". OK, sorry if I misunderstood. |
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Mail readers (was: Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10]
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:14:40 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote: "Steve Hayes" wrote | 2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As | always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and | choosing what *you* like best. | | That's what I recommended. I did say "try". | Those are actually my favorite posts. It can be very helpful to know what other people find useful. Though it would be more helpful if you detailed why you like it. One of the reasons that I recommend that people try Pegasus is that it's free, so that if you try it and don't like it you've lost nothing. One of the reasons I like it is that it does everything I need. It does one thing and does it well -- that's e-mail. It doesn't work too well if you like sending or receiving e-mails with everything in 18 point Comic Sans with lots of emoticons and screech makrks, but it works pretty well with plain text and does proper reply quoting. I've been using it for a long time, and have quite a lot of mail archives over the last 20 years. If I switched readers now it would make it much more of a hassle to refer to earlier messages. -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com |
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Mail readers (was: Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10]
"Steve Hayes" wrote
| One of the reasons that I recommend that people try Pegasus is that | it's free, so that if you try it and don't like it you've lost | nothing. | | One of the reasons I like it is that it does everything I need. It | does one thing and does it well -- that's e-mail. | I had some time this week and ended up trying both Pegasus and Claws. I don't think they're for me. Neither would import from OE. Neither seems to handle newsgroups. At least not that I could figure out. Neither seemed to have a clear way to completely disable HTML email. I guess I'm still planning to move to TBird.... someday. |
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Mail readers (was: Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10]
Steve Hayes wrote:
[...] [About Pegasus:] I've been using it for a long time, and have quite a lot of mail archives over the last 20 years. If I switched readers now it would make it much more of a hassle to refer to earlier messages. I assume that Pegasus either uses mbox format for its mail folders or can export to mbox format. If so, most decent 'mailers' (MUAs) can use or import mbox format, so - in that regard - switching shouldn't be a problem. |
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Mail readers (was: Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10]
Mayayana wrote:
[...] I guess I'm still planning to move to TBird.... someday. If you ever do, then I advise to *first* clean up your (OE) folder structure in such a way, that the tree of mail folders is structured the exact same way as the corresponding (Windows) files. Reason: The Thunderbird ImportExportTools Add-on is not aware of OE's mail folder structure, as it is defined in (IIRC) the folders.dbx file. So ImportExportTools uses the (Windows) *file* tree to decide what to put where with which name, instead of the OE *mail folder* tree. I.e. if you don't pre-clean/pre-check you might/will end up with a totally messed up TB mail folder tree, both structure-wise and name-wise (unless 'Singapore A c67' is an airline :-)). There are quite a lot of other TB quirks for the OE/WM/WLM user to overcome, but this is the most important one. |
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Mail readers (was: Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10]
On 16 Jun 2018, Frank Slootweg wrote in
alt.windows7.general: I assume that Pegasus either uses mbox format for its mail folders or can export to mbox format. If so, most decent 'mailers' (MUAs) can use or import mbox format, so - in that regard - switching shouldn't be a problem. Pegasus does use mbox format, but the problem is that that format is poorly defined and mbox files can rarely be moved as is between applications. Specifically, I wasn't able to use Pegasus folders directly in Thunderbird. Most messages imported OK but some were corrupted. In my experience, the best way to move mail between mail programs is by using an IMAP server as an intermediary. |
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Mail readers (was: Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10]
Steve Hayes on Sat, 16 Jun 2018 07:37:05 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:14:40 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: "Steve Hayes" wrote | 2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As | always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and | choosing what *you* like best. | | That's what I recommended. I did say "try". | Those are actually my favorite posts. It can be very helpful to know what other people find useful. Though it would be more helpful if you detailed why you like it. One of the reasons that I recommend that people try Pegasus is that it's free, so that if you try it and don't like it you've lost nothing. One of the reasons I like it is that it does everything I need. It does one thing and does it well -- that's e-mail. It doesn't work too well if you like sending or receiving e-mails with everything in 18 point Comic Sans with lots of emoticons and screech makrks, but it works pretty well with plain text and does proper reply quoting. I've been using it for a long time, and have quite a lot of mail archives over the last 20 years. If I switched readers now it would make it much more of a hassle to refer to earlier messages. That's the Big Issue: archived messages. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Mail readers (was: Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10]
"Mayayana" on Sat, 16 Jun 2018 09:14:17
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: "Steve Hayes" wrote | One of the reasons that I recommend that people try Pegasus is that | it's free, so that if you try it and don't like it you've lost | nothing. | | One of the reasons I like it is that it does everything I need. It | does one thing and does it well -- that's e-mail. | I had some time this week and ended up trying both Pegasus and Claws. I don't think they're for me. Neither would import from OE. Neither seems to handle newsgroups. I've never been a fan of using one programs for newsgroups & email (and everything else). Perhaps because I started with Email over here, rn over there, and the supposed advantages of the new Email All In One Program weren't visible to me. OTOH, maybe if I'd shifted twenty years ago, I'd only have one program to complain about. As for newsreaders, I'm sticking with Forte Agent, even though it is broken and no longer handles temporary filters. (There is a fix, it is a hack, but I'd have to update for the latest version. Which I might do, someday, when I'm feeling flush.) Although some days,. I'm included to just ignore all social media - email, newsgroups, web sites. Turning into a grumpy old man in my old age. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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