VoIP vs Landline

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?


I suppose the term 'land-lines' could be confusing, but I would think the
term 'telepnones' would suffice.
Overall, I don't think its that important.
Thanks for your info on using an almost free phone system.
Buffalo

On 4/20/2013 5:57 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?


Try "VoIp Phone".

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

IMO, landline simply means any telelphony communication which uses a cable,
of any type.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

Fixed!

Steve

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On 4/20/2013 11:39 AM, richard wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

IMO, landline simply means any telelphony communication which uses a cable,
of any type.


I agree. If you check out the urban dictionary, landline is what most
people call something that plugs into their phone jacks. Yeah POTS is
different from what people in the industry know VoIP as, but I don't
think they own the exclusive right to the term landline. Using VoIP
ends up connecting to your internet provider, but you still plug your
phone into a wall jack. This is what most of us would refer to as a
landline in common conversation. If asked whether we use POTS or VoIP,
you can always get more specific.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds of
plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Non-cellular phones."

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 11:52:08 -0500, sticks
wrote:

On 4/20/2013 11:39 AM, richard wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

IMO, landline simply means any telelphony communication which uses a cable,
of any type.


I agree. If you check out the urban dictionary, landline is what most
people call something that plugs into their phone jacks. Yeah POTS is
different from what people in the industry know VoIP as, but I don't
think they own the exclusive right to the term landline. Using VoIP
ends up connecting to your internet provider, but you still plug your
phone into a wall jack. This is what most of us would refer to as a
landline in common conversation.

That was what I had said earlier, and what I was disagreed with about.
And its also the only name I can think of for non-cellular phones. But
looking into definitions on the internet, I was apparently wrong (as I
said above).

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:12:28 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds of
plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Non-cellular phones."


Ugh! A back-formation. I hate back-formations like that; for example I
never say things like "acoustic guitar."

Ken Blake wrote:
Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?


The two _separate_ terms, exist for a reason.

If you say "VOIP" to me, it implies a transport of unknown origin,
with an IP layer carrying digital voice samples. VOIP can work
over broadband of some sort. It might even work over dialup,
assuming compression works well enough to do the job (otherwise,
a dialup connection wouldn't have sufficient bandwidth to do
the job). So if you say VOIP, I end up asking you for details
of the transport method.

A landline is baseband communications. The signal is analog,
and carried between 300Hz and 3.4KHz (passband). VOIP is not
the same thing. VOIP is not even a perfect "clear channel",
as attempting to FAX over VOIP, using a FAX modem, won't
work until you drop the FAX transmission rate below 14400.

The two terms cannot be mixed. Say "VOIP", if you mean
an unreliable digital means of emulating voice telephony
service. Say "landline", if you're referring to that
piece of copper running back to the Central Office, the
one that works between baseband 300Hz and 3.4KHz.

The landline, can have many signal types imposed on it.

1) 300 - 3400Hz analog conversation.
2) Low frequency ringer signal, high voltage (you'll get a shock!).
Never grab the wires on a phone line, when the telephone is about
to ring.
3) Minus 48 volts, to make traditional phones work.
4) ADSL signals, carried above 3400Hz, and separated
with things like the filters that come with your ADSL modem.

When a landline is used purely for ADSL, and no voice service
is wanted, that's called a "dry loop".

Paul

"Ken Blake" wrote in message ...

Ugh! A back-formation. I hate back-formations like that; for example I
never say things like "acoustic guitar."

I do. If I'm playing a Martin 000-28 or a Guild D-50 I'd refer to them as an acoustic guitar if differentiating from my other
'electric guitars'.

e.g. http://elderly.com/list/acoustic_guitars/newitems


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Ken Blake wrote:

Sam Hill wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Non-cellular phones."

Ugh! A back-formation. I hate back-formations like that; for example I
never say things like "acoustic guitar."

So how do you differentiate between an acoustic guitar and an electric
guitar?

Me to clerk: "I want to buy a guitar."

Clerk: "Acoustic or electric?"

Ken: "Guitar." :-)

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sam

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:33:50 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:


"Ken Blake" wrote in message ...

Ugh! A back-formation. I hate back-formations like that; for example I
never say things like "acoustic guitar."

I do. If I'm playing a Martin 000-28 or a Guild D-50 I'd refer to them as an acoustic guitar if differentiating from my other
'electric guitars'.


I know; most people do the same sort of thing. I don't.

I play a Martin D-35.

To me, there are two kinds of such instruments: guitars and electric
guitars.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 19:38:17 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill
wrote:

So how do you differentiate between an acoustic guitar and an electric
guitar?


Guitar and electric guitar.


Me to clerk: "I want to buy a guitar."

Clerk: "Acoustic or electric?"

Ken: "Guitar." :-)


Exactly right! g I never want an electric guitar.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.

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