VoIP vs Landline

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.


For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

I wouldn't want to use "VoIP" for "xxxxxxx"; it would be overly
precise, and besides, the great majority of people would have no idea
what I was talking about.

I would normally say "landline," and now even after I've been
persuaded that what I have is technically not a landline, I will
continue to say that unless someone has a better suggestion for me.

Two of the suggestions I've gotten here are poor, as far as I'm
concerned. I wouldn't say My cell phone number is 123-456-7890 and my
fixed number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call me on my cell phone,
call me on my non-cell phone." They both sound silly to my ear, and I
think would sound equally silly to almost anyone I said them to.

Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:33:50 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:


"Ken Blake" wrote in message ...

Ugh! A back-formation. I hate back-formations like that; for example I
never say things like "acoustic guitar."

I do. If I'm playing a Martin 000-28 or a Guild D-50 I'd refer to them as an acoustic guitar if differentiating from my other
'electric guitars'.


I know; most people do the same sort of thing. I don't.

I play a Martin D-35.

To me, there are two kinds of such instruments: guitars and electric
guitars.


That's acceptable...though many (including me) would even differentiate
further when referencing guitar (your preference) or acoustic guitar (my
preference)- steel-string or classical g...also in the electric
category (hollow-body or solid body).

Now if one was playing or discussing an arch-top - it could be either an
acoustic or electric.

What's certain, unless you're extremely dextrous and talented, one only
plays a single guitar (of any type) at a time.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?
"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.


For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

I wouldn't want to use "VoIP" for "xxxxxxx"; it would be overly
precise, and besides, the great majority of people would have no idea
what I was talking about.

I would normally say "landline," and now even after I've been
persuaded that what I have is technically not a landline, I will
continue to say that unless someone has a better suggestion for me.

Two of the suggestions I've gotten here are poor, as far as I'm
concerned. I wouldn't say My cell phone number is 123-456-7890 and my
fixed number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call me on my cell phone,
call me on my non-cell phone." They both sound silly to my ear, and I
think would sound equally silly to almost anyone I said them to.

I would use

cell phone number
telephone number (i.e. for a POTS line - it's what we "used to say")
VOIP number

When you mention your VOIP number, I then realize it is not
as reliable as your phone number. The VOIP only works, if
the broadband internet transport layer is running. (And my
ADSL goes down from time to time, like every time there
is a lightning storm in the city. Don't do VOIP calls
with me, it lightning is forecast :-) It seems portions
of that equipment, are rebooting.)

*******

All three types are integrated with the regular telephone network.

It is possible to do point to point VOIP, without CCS7 or other
call setup mechanism. And you should be able to do that for
free. It's when you bridge to the existing telephone network,
use its directory information (telephone number), that you
have to pay for that access somehow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCS7

VOIP consists of a set of protocols for call setup (equivalent to CCS7).
The transport layer is separate, and uses a different set of port
numbers. And it's that transport layer, that you could use like
you might use FTP, where you could "talk" to someone else without
any charges.

So if all my family members had static IP addresses, I might
write a program that allows us to talk for free. Up to the limits
of the bandwidth needed for the conversation. (This is equivalent
to doing a Skype to Skype call - as long as the call doesn't
"escape" from its digital transport domain, it is effectively
free. If the Phone Company gets a whiff, it costs money.)

Paul

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 14:09:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.

For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

I wouldn't want to use "VoIP" for "xxxxxxx"; it would be overly
precise, and besides, the great majority of people would have no idea
what I was talking about.

I would normally say "landline," and now even after I've been
persuaded that what I have is technically not a landline, I will
continue to say that unless someone has a better suggestion for me.

Two of the suggestions I've gotten here are poor, as far as I'm
concerned. I wouldn't say My cell phone number is 123-456-7890 and my
fixed number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call me on my cell phone,
call me on my non-cell phone." They both sound silly to my ear, and I
think would sound equally silly to almost anyone I said them to.

I suggest landline. If anyone complains or is confused, tell them your
landline phone is VoIP.

OTOH, I don't play guitar.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.


For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

I wouldn't want to use "VoIP" for "xxxxxxx"; it would be overly
precise, and besides, the great majority of people would have no idea
what I was talking about.

I would normally say "landline," and now even after I've been
persuaded that what I have is technically not a landline, I will
continue to say that unless someone has a better suggestion for me.

Two of the suggestions I've gotten here are poor, as far as I'm
concerned. I wouldn't say My cell phone number is 123-456-7890 and my
fixed number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call me on my cell phone,
call me on my non-cell phone." They both sound silly to my ear, and I
think would sound equally silly to almost anyone I said them to.


I would say 'You can call me on my cell phone number or home phone
number.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 4/20/2013 4:09 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.


For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

I wouldn't want to use "VoIP" for "xxxxxxx"; it would be overly
precise, and besides, the great majority of people would have no idea
what I was talking about.

I would normally say "landline," and now even after I've been
persuaded that what I have is technically not a landline, I will
continue to say that unless someone has a better suggestion for me.

Two of the suggestions I've gotten here are poor, as far as I'm
concerned. I wouldn't say My cell phone number is 123-456-7890 and my
fixed number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call me on my cell phone,
call me on my non-cell phone." They both sound silly to my ear, and I
think would sound equally silly to almost anyone I said them to.


you could also use either "home" or "office" phone.

Ken Blake has written on 4/20/2013 5:09 PM:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.


For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

xxxxxxx = other, as in "call me on my other phone".

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:48:28 -0500, sticks wrote:

On 4/20/2013 4:09 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.


For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

I wouldn't want to use "VoIP" for "xxxxxxx"; it would be overly
precise, and besides, the great majority of people would have no idea
what I was talking about.

I would normally say "landline," and now even after I've been
persuaded that what I have is technically not a landline, I will
continue to say that unless someone has a better suggestion for me.

Two of the suggestions I've gotten here are poor, as far as I'm
concerned. I wouldn't say My cell phone number is 123-456-7890 and my
fixed number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call me on my cell phone,
call me on my non-cell phone." They both sound silly to my ear, and I
think would sound equally silly to almost anyone I said them to.


you could also use either "home" or "office" phone.

Now that I've remembered to look at my card, I see that I agree with you
and with ...winston: my phone numbers are labeled Home and Cell :-)

I agree that could also use, as desired, Office or Work, and Mobile
instead of Cell. Maybe even Wireless.

I'd say don't use Cordless - that seems to be short for a wireless
landline ;-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:00:41 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

Now that I've remembered to look at my card

I meant my business card - or my "business" card, since it is actually
social or personal.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:53:50 -0400, Juan Wei wrote:

Ken Blake has written on 4/20/2013 5:09 PM:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.

For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

xxxxxxx = other, as in "call me on my other phone".

No, my *other* phone is my *cell* phone.

GD&R

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 14:47:06 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 14:09:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.

For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

I wouldn't want to use "VoIP" for "xxxxxxx"; it would be overly
precise, and besides, the great majority of people would have no idea
what I was talking about.

I would normally say "landline," and now even after I've been
persuaded that what I have is technically not a landline, I will
continue to say that unless someone has a better suggestion for me.

Two of the suggestions I've gotten here are poor, as far as I'm
concerned. I wouldn't say My cell phone number is 123-456-7890 and my
fixed number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call me on my cell phone,
call me on my non-cell phone." They both sound silly to my ear, and I
think would sound equally silly to almost anyone I said them to.

I suggest landline. If anyone complains or is confused, tell them your
landline phone is VoIP.


Exactly! And nobody will complain or get confused, because they won't
know it's VoIP, nor would they care.


OTOH, I don't play guitar.

I've been playing for about 65 years now. After all these years, you'd
think I should be better at it than I am.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:47:46 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.


For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

I wouldn't want to use "VoIP" for "xxxxxxx"; it would be overly
precise, and besides, the great majority of people would have no idea
what I was talking about.

I would normally say "landline," and now even after I've been
persuaded that what I have is technically not a landline, I will
continue to say that unless someone has a better suggestion for me.

Two of the suggestions I've gotten here are poor, as far as I'm
concerned. I wouldn't say My cell phone number is 123-456-7890 and my
fixed number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call me on my cell phone,
call me on my non-cell phone." They both sound silly to my ear, and I
think would sound equally silly to almost anyone I said them to.


I would say 'You can call me on my cell phone number or home phone
number.


"Home phone" is a good alternative, and I might sometimes say that
instead of "land line" if I think of it.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:48:28 -0500, sticks
wrote:

On 4/20/2013 4:09 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:22:39 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:57:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Having called VoIP a kind of landline, I was taken to task by a couple
of you here, Doing more research on the way the terms are used, it
appears that I was wrong and you were right. The name "VoIP" is
apparently not used the same way as the same as the term "landline."
See, for example,
http://science.opposingviews.com/dif...ine-17888.html

But then I have question: what term can be used to describe all kinds
of plugged-in telephones (landline or VoIP) to distinguish them from
cellular phones?

"Wired phones"? "Non-cell phones"?

But do you actually need a term? I'm trying to think what context
might need to distinguish VoIP and landline on the one hand, and cell
phones on the other.


For example, if I were to say to say to someone, "My cell phone number
is 123-456-7890 and my xxxxxxx number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call
me on my cell phone, call me on my xxxxxxx phone."

I wouldn't want to use "VoIP" for "xxxxxxx"; it would be overly
precise, and besides, the great majority of people would have no idea
what I was talking about.

I would normally say "landline," and now even after I've been
persuaded that what I have is technically not a landline, I will
continue to say that unless someone has a better suggestion for me.

Two of the suggestions I've gotten here are poor, as far as I'm
concerned. I wouldn't say My cell phone number is 123-456-7890 and my
fixed number is "234-567-8901" or "Don't call me on my cell phone,
call me on my non-cell phone." They both sound silly to my ear, and I
think would sound equally silly to almost anyone I said them to.


you could also use either "home" or "office" phone.


Yes, a good alternative,as I just said to Winston.

or "office" phone.

I haven't had an office phone in 20 years now. g

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:00:41 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:48:28 -0500, sticks wrote:

you could also use either "home" or "office" phone.

Now that I've remembered to look at my card, I see that I agree with you
and with ...winston: my phone numbers are labeled Home and Cell :-)


I just looked at my card, and remembered that I have only one number
on--my Home number. I don't put my Cell phone number on it because
there are very few people who I want to know my Cell phone number. I
use my cell phone only for emergencies, and for my wife to call me if
I'm not home and she needs me for something.

But if I had both numbers on my card, I would do the same thing you
do. I wouldn't call it "land line" on a card.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:04:22 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:00:41 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

Now that I've remembered to look at my card

I meant my business card - or my "business" card, since it is actually
social or personal.


Same with me.