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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
I have a Sony All-in-One desktop computer with touchscreen, voice
recognition, TV tuner, etc. which came with Win 7 Home Premium. I ran the Win 8 evaluation program to see what programs and devices will still work with Win 8. I was saddened to see how many will no longer work correctly with Win 8. I would expect problems upgrading to Win 8 if I was upgrading from Vista or other earlier versions but to lose that much on a one step upgrade is ridiculous. Plus I have read that the touch screen regimen using Win 8 requires a whole new learning curve. It really doesn't seem that was necessary since I've used my touch screen computer with Win 7 using normal procedures and layout. Anyone interested in upgrading to Win 8 should go to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-to-windows-8 and run this evaluation. Make sure you have all your peripherals on and running. |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On 4/14/2013 9:34 AM, Panic wrote:
I have a Sony All-in-One desktop computer with touchscreen, voice recognition, TV tuner, etc. which came with Win 7 Home Premium. I ran the Win 8 evaluation program to see what programs and devices will still work with Win 8. I was saddened to see how many will no longer work correctly with Win 8. I would expect problems upgrading to Win 8 if I was upgrading from Vista or other earlier versions but to lose that much on a one step upgrade is ridiculous. Plus I have read that the touch screen regimen using Win 8 requires a whole new learning curve. It really doesn't seem that was necessary since I've used my touch screen computer with Win 7 using normal procedures and layout. Anyone interested in upgrading to Win 8 should go to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-to-windows-8 and run this evaluation. Make sure you have all your peripherals on and running. Discovered almost the same thing with my wife's computer. Unfortunately the so called upgrade advisor said all would work. When I purchased the upgrade and installed it then the nightmare started.I still have the upgrade report and marvel at the mistakes it made. Win 8 dvd's have become coasters and possibly skeet as suggested by others. I restored it back to win7 64 premium and it works perfectly. I guess it will stay that way until either HP does something (doubtful) or it dies. I know it is not up to HP but still a little ticked that I wasted the money. |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:34:53 -0700, "Panic" wrote:
I have a Sony All-in-One desktop computer with touchscreen, voice recognition, TV tuner, etc. which came with Win 7 Home Premium. I ran the Win 8 evaluation program to see what programs and devices will still work with Win 8. I was saddened to see how many will no longer work correctly with Win 8. I would expect problems upgrading to Win 8 if I was upgrading from Vista or other earlier versions but to lose that much on a one step upgrade is ridiculous. Plus I have read that the touch screen regimen using Win 8 requires a whole new learning curve. It really doesn't seem that was necessary since I've used my touch screen computer with Win 7 using normal procedures and layout. Anyone interested in upgrading to Win 8 should go to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-to-windows-8 and run this evaluation. Make sure you have all your peripherals on and running. If criticising Windows 8 on this group full flame proof protection is highly recommended. |
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On 4/14/2013 10:28 AM, Drew wrote:
On 4/14/2013 9:34 AM, Panic wrote: I have a Sony All-in-One desktop computer with touchscreen, voice recognition, TV tuner, etc. which came with Win 7 Home Premium. I ran the Win 8 evaluation program to see what programs and devices will still work with Win 8. I was saddened to see how many will no longer work correctly with Win 8. I would expect problems upgrading to Win 8 if I was upgrading from Vista or other earlier versions but to lose that much on a one step upgrade is ridiculous. Plus I have read that the touch screen regimen using Win 8 requires a whole new learning curve. It really doesn't seem that was necessary since I've used my touch screen computer with Win 7 using normal procedures and layout. Anyone interested in upgrading to Win 8 should go to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-to-windows-8 and run this evaluation. Make sure you have all your peripherals on and running. Discovered almost the same thing with my wife's computer. Unfortunately the so called upgrade advisor said all would work. When I purchased the upgrade and installed it then the nightmare started.I still have the upgrade report and marvel at the mistakes it made. Win 8 dvd's have become coasters and possibly skeet as suggested by others. I restored it back to win7 64 premium and it works perfectly. I guess it will stay that way until either HP does something (doubtful) or it dies. I know it is not up to HP but still a little ticked that I wasted the money. Sounds like my story but I tried it for 5 months before going back to Win7. Love Win7. |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On 4/14/2013 12:29 PM, Scott wrote:
If criticising Windows 8 on this group full flame proof protection is highly recommended. The ability to get thicker skin is part of the usenet experience. You should give it a try. |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:51:58 -0500, sticks
wrote: On 4/14/2013 12:29 PM, Scott wrote: If criticising Windows 8 on this group full flame proof protection is highly recommended. The ability to get thicker skin is part of the usenet experience. You should give it a try. I'm kitted up mate. |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On 4/14/2013 10:29 AM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:34:53 -0700, "Panic" wrote: If criticising Windows 8 on this group full flame proof protection is highly recommended. Plonk!.. Feel better now? |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
sticks wrote:
On 4/14/2013 12:29 PM, Scott wrote: If criticising Windows 8 on this group full flame proof protection is highly recommended. The ability to get thicker skin is part of the usenet experience. You should give it a try. And whoever thought that changing your OS was easy ? Lots of MacOSX applications break, from one release of OS to the next. On one Linux "rolling release distro" I have here, I tried to upgrade it one day, and it was a complete meltdown (restore from backup). The safest approach to a new OS, is multi-booting, but I guess that escaped people. (I install one OS per disk, allowing disks to be unplugged without affecting other OS choices.) I have access to around four OSes directly on this computer, and Windows 8 sits on its own disk. Windows 8 is not my everyday OS. But, if I need to compress a 500GB archive on this computer, I boot Windows 8 and do it there - because it completes faster and doesn't tickle a bug that exists in WinXP. To me, an OS is just a tool. If it works well, it becomes the "everyday OS". If it doesn't work well, it's like that pair of pliers I own, with the 90 degree tip on the end. It is seldom used, but when you need it, you really need it. You manage OSes like you manage tools in your toolbox. The really useful ones, are in easy reach. The useless tools, they go in a second (obscure tools) toolbox. I only throw out a tool, if it is damaged (bust tip off pliers). I would never expect to change the OS, and be entirely happy. And that's where multi-booting comes in. If the upgrade assistant says your computer doesn't have NX/XD support in hardware, that's a "drop dead" issue. Only one computer in my collection, is ready to run Windows 8. Microsoft has seen to it, that lots of hardware will not be a basis for a Windows 8 system. If the Upgrade Assistant says an application is not compatible, and an update is available, that doesn't mean the application is broken. You need to investigate that further, and talk to people who have actually tried that particular application. You'd expect big packages (like Office) to have more issues than a smaller package. In some cases, proof of compatibility is impossible to find. In terms of drivers, Vista/Win7/Win8 should share a lot in common. Windows includes generic drivers for some of the stuff, so even if you think something in the peripheral area might be broken, there might be a workaround. The output of the Upgrade Assistant is a starting point, not an ending point. If a "drop dead" issue shows up (NX/XD, or no video driver), then you stop right there. For example, there's no driver for my FX5200 video card (so Windows 8 stays stuck at 1024x768). For a lot of the other output from the tool, it requires further research. The Upgrade Assistant doesn't tell you everything. For example, you may think you're getting a free copy of Hyper-V with your Windows 8, but when you go to "install" it later (it's a separate step), it tells you your hardware doesn't have Extended Page Tables (SLAT). And I wasn't warned about that. For some people, that would be critical to their usage of the computer. While VirtualBox (free) can solve that, the control UI on VirtualBox, is like dealing with a bureaucracy. And upgrading to Windows 8, only made sense while it was $39.99. Whatever the price is now, upgrading no longer makes sense. At $39.99, it's like a cheap, badly fitting pair of shoes. And only fit to add to your multi-boot collection. http://www.fitcustomshirts.com/blog/...-toe-shoes.jpg Paul |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On 4/14/2013 1:07 PM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:51:58 -0500, sticks wrote: On 4/14/2013 12:29 PM, Scott wrote: If criticising Windows 8 on this group full flame proof protection is highly recommended. The ability to get thicker skin is part of the usenet experience. You should give it a try. I'm kitted up mate. evidently too late. it already got in. hope you get better, mate. |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:07:34 +0100, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:51:58 -0500, sticks wrote: On 4/14/2013 12:29 PM, Scott wrote: If criticising Windows 8 on this group full flame proof protection is highly recommended. The ability to get thicker skin is part of the usenet experience. You should give it a try. I'm kitted up mate. I'm not surprised to read that, since I thought your remark was a warning to Panic, rather than an admission that your own skin was thin :-) Meantime, I better apply my own epoxy hand lotion, right? -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:28:33 -0400, Paul wrote:
it's like a cheap, badly fitting pair of shoes. And only fit to add to your multi-boot collection. I never even consider a new Windows version for use as my main OS until the first service pack has been out for a few months. None of them "fit well" and all of them have widespread compatibility issues and other problems until then. After that, the service pack has fixed the most serious wrinkles in the original version, a few Patch Tuesdays have fixed the most serious wrinkles with the service pack, and most application vendors and hardware manufacturers have gotten around to releasing compatible versions of their applications and drivers. The OS always seems to be most usable between about three months after SP1 becomes available until MS EOLs it or it's obsolete for using new hardware or software you want to use. That said, I have heard of no compelling advantage to using Windows 8 unless you have a touchscreen device you're running it on. And desktop PCs will never make for good touchscreen devices, because vertical touchscreens a full couple of feet from you aren't comfortable to use. Maybe there'll be a killer software application or stupendously game- changing hunk of hardware that Win7 will never support. Until then, I'm not sure I'd upgrade even after Win8 SP1 becomes available. |
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ...
I'm not surprised to read that, since I thought your remark was a warning to Panic, rather than an admission that your own skin was thin :-) Meantime, I better apply my own epoxy hand lotion, right? Like the rest of us long term nntp users..you probably have applied enough lotion that your skin is permanent epoxy - a periodic polishing will maintain its lustre and protection. -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
"Panic" wrote in message ...
? I have a Sony All-in-One desktop computer with touchscreen, voice recognition, TV tuner, etc. which came with Win 7 Home Premium. I ran the Win 8 evaluation program to see what programs and devices will still work with Win 8. I was saddened to see how many will no longer work correctly with Win 8. Care to elaborate on the hardware (specs), installed software, and 'how many will no longer work'. That info might help others avoid a similar problem. -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On 14/04/2013 18:34, Mellowed wrote:
On 4/14/2013 10:28 AM, Drew wrote: On 4/14/2013 9:34 AM, Panic wrote: I have a Sony All-in-One desktop computer with touchscreen, voice recognition, TV tuner, etc. which came with Win 7 Home Premium. I ran the Win 8 evaluation program to see what programs and devices will still work with Win 8. I was saddened to see how many will no longer work correctly with Win 8. I would expect problems upgrading to Win 8 if I was upgrading from Vista or other earlier versions but to lose that much on a one step upgrade is ridiculous. Plus I have read that the touch screen regimen using Win 8 requires a whole new learning curve. It really doesn't seem that was necessary since I've used my touch screen computer with Win 7 using normal procedures and layout. Anyone interested in upgrading to Win 8 should go to http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-to-windows-8 and run this evaluation. Make sure you have all your peripherals on and running. Discovered almost the same thing with my wife's computer. Unfortunately the so called upgrade advisor said all would work. When I purchased the upgrade and installed it then the nightmare started.I still have the upgrade report and marvel at the mistakes it made. Win 8 dvd's have become coasters and possibly skeet as suggested by others. I restored it back to win7 64 premium and it works perfectly. I guess it will stay that way until either HP does something (doubtful) or it dies. I know it is not up to HP but still a little ticked that I wasted the money. Sounds like my story but I tried it for 5 months before going back to Win7. Love Win7. I was fine with XP, but 7 is okay too. -- Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman |
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Upgrade to Win 8 questionable
On 14/04/2013 20:28, Paul wrote:
sticks wrote: On 4/14/2013 12:29 PM, Scott wrote: If criticising Windows 8 on this group full flame proof protection is highly recommended. The ability to get thicker skin is part of the usenet experience. You should give it a try. And whoever thought that changing your OS was easy ? Lots of MacOSX applications break, from one release of OS to the next. On one Linux "rolling release distro" I have here, I tried to upgrade it one day, and it was a complete meltdown (restore from backup). The safest approach to a new OS, is multi-booting, but I guess that escaped people. (I install one OS per disk, allowing disks to be unplugged without affecting other OS choices.) I have access to around four OSes directly on this computer, and Windows 8 sits on its own disk. Windows 8 is not my everyday OS. But, if I need to compress a 500GB archive on this computer, I boot Windows 8 and do it there - because it completes faster and doesn't tickle a bug that exists in WinXP. To me, an OS is just a tool. If it works well, it becomes the "everyday OS". If it doesn't work well, it's like that pair of pliers I own, with the 90 degree tip on the end. It is seldom used, but when you need it, you really need it. You manage OSes like you manage tools in your toolbox. The really useful ones, are in easy reach. The useless tools, they go in a second (obscure tools) toolbox. I only throw out a tool, if it is damaged (bust tip off pliers). I would never expect to change the OS, and be entirely happy. And that's where multi-booting comes in. If the upgrade assistant says your computer doesn't have NX/XD support in hardware, that's a "drop dead" issue. Only one computer in my collection, is ready to run Windows 8. Microsoft has seen to it, that lots of hardware will not be a basis for a Windows 8 system. If the Upgrade Assistant says an application is not compatible, and an update is available, that doesn't mean the application is broken. You need to investigate that further, and talk to people who have actually tried that particular application. You'd expect big packages (like Office) to have more issues than a smaller package. In some cases, proof of compatibility is impossible to find. In terms of drivers, Vista/Win7/Win8 should share a lot in common. Windows includes generic drivers for some of the stuff, so even if you think something in the peripheral area might be broken, there might be a workaround. The output of the Upgrade Assistant is a starting point, not an ending point. If a "drop dead" issue shows up (NX/XD, or no video driver), then you stop right there. For example, there's no driver for my FX5200 video card (so Windows 8 stays stuck at 1024x768). For a lot of the other output from the tool, it requires further research. The Upgrade Assistant doesn't tell you everything. For example, you may think you're getting a free copy of Hyper-V with your Windows 8, but when you go to "install" it later (it's a separate step), it tells you your hardware doesn't have Extended Page Tables (SLAT). And I wasn't warned about that. For some people, that would be critical to their usage of the computer. While VirtualBox (free) can solve that, the control UI on VirtualBox, is like dealing with a bureaucracy. And upgrading to Windows 8, only made sense while it was $39.99. Whatever the price is now, upgrading no longer makes sense. At $39.99, it's like a cheap, badly fitting pair of shoes. And only fit to add to your multi-boot collection. http://www.fitcustomshirts.com/blog/...-toe-shoes.jpg Paul Why using a variety of operating systems in a multiboot pc when you can try them out in a virtual machine? Years ago I had a multiboot machine with XP and linux. Now I still use a multiboot system (W7 and an XP backup system) but for a different reason: for daily use I use W7, and I use the XP backup system in case I need to reinstall a W7 system image in the W7 partition. Nowadays I have a lot of linuxes in VMWare. And tried W8 there as well. I love it! VMWare, that is, not W8. Fokke |
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