Hardware compatibility checker?

I think I recall that during the initial rollout of Windows 10 there
was a compatibility checker you could run that would tell you if your
hardware was adequate to run Win10 before you installed it. If it ever
existed, is it still available?

On 08/01/2020 23:47, Nil wrote:
I think I recall that during the initial rollout of Windows 10 there
was a compatibility checker you could run that would tell you if your
hardware was adequate to run Win10 before you installed it. If it ever
existed, is it still available?

Yes

https://www.techworm.net/2018/09/win...hecker-pc.html

HTH

On 08 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On 08/01/2020 23:47, Nil wrote:
I think I recall that during the initial rollout of Windows 10
there was a compatibility checker you could run that would tell
you if your hardware was adequate to run Win10 before you
installed it. If it ever existed, is it still available?

Yes

https://www.techworm.net/2018/09/win...hecker-pc.html

The article at that link now points to where you can download
Microsoft's Media Creation Tool, which I know makes a full-size
installation disc or flash drive. After I posted this I found a post
in alt.windows7.general where somebody asked a similar question,
and the answer was that there's no separate compatibility checker
any more, but if you run the installation media as if you were going
to do a regular Win10 install, it will first do a compatibility
check, after which you can bail and not continue with the
installation.

Have I got that right? I don't want to install Win10 at this time
but I am curious to know what MS thinks about the possibility on one
of my older computers.

Nil wrote:
On 08 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On 08/01/2020 23:47, Nil wrote:
I think I recall that during the initial rollout of Windows 10
there was a compatibility checker you could run that would tell
you if your hardware was adequate to run Win10 before you
installed it. If it ever existed, is it still available?
Yes

https://www.techworm.net/2018/09/win...hecker-pc.html

The article at that link now points to where you can download
Microsoft's Media Creation Tool, which I know makes a full-size
installation disc or flash drive. After I posted this I found a post
in alt.windows7.general where somebody asked a similar question,
and the answer was that there's no separate compatibility checker
any more, but if you run the installation media as if you were going
to do a regular Win10 install, it will first do a compatibility
check, after which you can bail and not continue with the
installation.

Have I got that right? I don't want to install Win10 at this time
but I am curious to know what MS thinks about the possibility on one
of my older computers.

You can plug in your Win10 1909 DVD, into a running Windows 7 system,
run Setup.exe off the DVD, and get your test result. If the CPU is
missing a hardware feature, the install stops rather quickly.

Here, an ancient P4 system (capable of running Win7 and has Win7
installed for this test), fails the NX check.

https://i.postimg.cc/2ykKyy6K/dvd-19...heck-no-NX.gif

Once it "summarizes" what it plans to do, says it will "keep your files
and programs", at that point it won't be doing any more testing. So
you can "Cancel" at that point and eject the DVD.

Paul

On 09 Jan 2020, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Nil wrote:
On 08 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On 08/01/2020 23:47, Nil wrote:
I think I recall that during the initial rollout of Windows 10
there was a compatibility checker you could run that would tell
you if your hardware was adequate to run Win10 before you
installed it. If it ever existed, is it still available?
Yes

https://www.techworm.net/2018/09/win...bility-checker
-pc.html

The article at that link now points to where you can download
Microsoft's Media Creation Tool, which I know makes a full-size
installation disc or flash drive. After I posted this I found a
post in alt.windows7.general where somebody asked a similar
question, and the answer was that there's no separate
compatibility checker any more, but if you run the installation
media as if you were going to do a regular Win10 install, it
will first do a compatibility check, after which you can bail and
not continue with the installation.

Have I got that right? I don't want to install Win10 at this time
but I am curious to know what MS thinks about the possibility on
one of my older computers.

You can plug in your Win10 1909 DVD, into a running Windows 7
system, run Setup.exe off the DVD, and get your test result. If
the CPU is missing a hardware feature, the install stops rather
quickly.

Here, an ancient P4 system (capable of running Win7 and has Win7
installed for this test), fails the NX check.

https://i.postimg.cc/2ykKyy6K/dvd-19...heck-no-NX.gif

Once it "summarizes" what it plans to do, says it will "keep your
files and programs", at that point it won't be doing any more
testing. So you can "Cancel" at that point and eject the DVD.

Any idea how far you can get into it before the install starts making
unreversable changes? I made an installation flash drive and ran the
install on a computer I know could run Win10 if I wanted it to. It
didn't complain about the hardware, but it was starting to look for
things to keep or delete. I didn't want to proceed to the next step so
I canceled it right then and there. Your comment implies that if the
hardware were not adequate it would have told me before that point.

I'm going to try it on the older computer tonight or tomorrow. That
machine has an AMD Phenom II X4 965 processor. I have to scrounge
around my records to remember what the motherboard is so I can see if
drivers are available.

Nil wrote:
On 09 Jan 2020, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Nil wrote:
On 08 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On 08/01/2020 23:47, Nil wrote:
I think I recall that during the initial rollout of Windows 10
there was a compatibility checker you could run that would tell
you if your hardware was adequate to run Win10 before you
installed it. If it ever existed, is it still available?
Yes

https://www.techworm.net/2018/09/win...bility-checker
-pc.html
The article at that link now points to where you can download
Microsoft's Media Creation Tool, which I know makes a full-size
installation disc or flash drive. After I posted this I found a
post in alt.windows7.general where somebody asked a similar
question, and the answer was that there's no separate
compatibility checker any more, but if you run the installation
media as if you were going to do a regular Win10 install, it
will first do a compatibility check, after which you can bail and
not continue with the installation.

Have I got that right? I don't want to install Win10 at this time
but I am curious to know what MS thinks about the possibility on
one of my older computers.
You can plug in your Win10 1909 DVD, into a running Windows 7
system, run Setup.exe off the DVD, and get your test result. If
the CPU is missing a hardware feature, the install stops rather
quickly.

Here, an ancient P4 system (capable of running Win7 and has Win7
installed for this test), fails the NX check.

https://i.postimg.cc/2ykKyy6K/dvd-19...heck-no-NX.gif

Once it "summarizes" what it plans to do, says it will "keep your
files and programs", at that point it won't be doing any more
testing. So you can "Cancel" at that point and eject the DVD.

Any idea how far you can get into it before the install starts making
unreversable changes? I made an installation flash drive and ran the
install on a computer I know could run Win10 if I wanted it to. It
didn't complain about the hardware, but it was starting to look for
things to keep or delete. I didn't want to proceed to the next step so
I canceled it right then and there. Your comment implies that if the
hardware were not adequate it would have told me before that point.

I'm going to try it on the older computer tonight or tomorrow. That
machine has an AMD Phenom II X4 965 processor. I have to scrounge
around my records to remember what the motherboard is so I can see if
drivers are available.

There isn't any point going past this screen.
Click the "X" and get the hell out of there :-)

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment..._install-7.png

There is another screen after the "Summary" screen,
where you can quit, but seeing that Summary in the
picture, is warning enough that you've run out of rope.

Here's the link where that picture came from.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...e-upgrade.html

Paul

On 09 Jan 2020, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Nil wrote:
Any idea how far you can get into it before the install starts
making unreversable changes?

There isn't any point going past this screen.
Click the "X" and get the hell out of there :-)

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...7d1547071408-r
epair-install-windows-10-place-upgrade-windows_10_repair_install-7.
png

There is another screen after the "Summary" screen,
where you can quit, but seeing that Summary in the
picture, is warning enough that you've run out of rope.

Here's the link where that picture came from.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...all-windows-10
-place-upgrade.html

That's exactly where I canceled out of the installation, where it said
"Ready to install". Thanks for the sanity check.

I'm pretty sure that computer could run Windows 10 reasonably well,
even though its ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 motherboard only has Windows
8.1 drivers. I found some reports of other people successfully
upgrading from Windows 7. I don't intend to do that - I usually only
change OSs when I build or buy a new computer or when it won't run some
software that I want it to run, and this one's working fine at the
moment - but I was curious about the possibility.

On 11/01/2020 20:44, Nil wrote:
On 09 Jan 2020, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Nil wrote:
Any idea how far you can get into it before the install starts
making unreversable changes?

There isn't any point going past this screen.
Click the "X" and get the hell out of there :-)

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...7d1547071408-r
epair-install-windows-10-place-upgrade-windows_10_repair_install-7.
png

There is another screen after the "Summary" screen,
where you can quit, but seeing that Summary in the
picture, is warning enough that you've run out of rope.

Here's the link where that picture came from.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...all-windows-10
-place-upgrade.html

That's exactly where I canceled out of the installation, where it said
"Ready to install". Thanks for the sanity check.

I'm pretty sure that computer could run Windows 10 reasonably well,
even though its ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 motherboard only has Windows
8.1 drivers. I found some reports of other people successfully
upgrading from Windows 7. I don't intend to do that - I usually only
change OSs when I build or buy a new computer or when it won't run some
software that I want it to run, and this one's working fine at the
moment - but I was curious about the possibility.

I'm pleased to know it all worked out!

Can one use Xnews on Windows 10?

Where is a safe place to get it? I believe its free. Is that right?

--
David

David wrote:
On 11/01/2020 20:44, Nil wrote:
On 09 Jan 2020, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Nil wrote:
Any idea how far you can get into it before the install starts
making unreversable changes?

There isn't any point going past this screen.
Click the "X" and get the hell out of there :-)

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...7d1547071408-r
epair-install-windows-10-place-upgrade-windows_10_repair_install-7.
png

There is another screen after the "Summary" screen,
where you can quit, but seeing that Summary in the
picture, is warning enough that you've run out of rope.

Here's the link where that picture came from.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...all-windows-10
-place-upgrade.html

That's exactly where I canceled out of the installation, where it said
"Ready to install". Thanks for the sanity check.

I'm pretty sure that computer could run Windows 10 reasonably well,
even though its ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 motherboard only has Windows
8.1 drivers. I found some reports of other people successfully
upgrading from Windows 7. I don't intend to do that - I usually only
change OSs when I build or buy a new computer or when it won't run some
software that I want it to run, and this one's working fine at the
moment - but I was curious about the possibility.

I'm pleased to know it all worked out!

Can one use Xnews on Windows 10?

Where is a safe place to get it? I believe its free. Is that right?


You already have a newsgroup reader.

Do you need this for froggery ? :-/

You are a little too full of surprises, your
rating has slipped a notch. You're now in the
"radioactive" section of the list.

Paul

On 12 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can one use Xnews on Windows 10?

Yes.

On 13/01/2020 20:02, Nil wrote:
On 12 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can one use Xnews on Windows 10?

Yes.

Thank you. :-)

I'm uncertain how you know that to be true though.

It appears to be fairly old, looking he-
https://web.archive.org/web/20141227...s.newsguy.com/

There's a little about it here too:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnews

I wonder from where 'Paul' would download it. Hmmm

--
David

David schreef op 13-01-2020
in :
On 13/01/2020 20:02, Nil wrote:
On 12 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can one use Xnews on Windows 10?

Yes.

Thank you. :-)

I'm uncertain how you know that to be true though.

It appears to be fairly old, looking he-
https://web.archive.org/web/20141227...s.newsguy.com/

MesNews is also old, but it works great.
http://www.mesnews.net

--
MdW.

On 13/01/2020 23:10, Machiel de Wit wrote:
David schreef op 13-01-2020
in :
On 13/01/2020 20:02, Nil wrote:
On 12 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can one use Xnews on Windows 10?

Yes.

Thank you. :-)

I'm uncertain how you know that to be true though.

It appears to be fairly old, looking he-
https://web.archive.org/web/20141227...s.newsguy.com/

MesNews is also old, but it works great.
http://www.mesnews.net

Thank you. :-)

At the link it says:-

"It works on all version of Windows (95, 98, NT, on 2000, XP, Vista, 7
and 8)."

Have you tried it with Windows 10?

--
David

David wrote:
On 13/01/2020 23:10, Machiel de Wit wrote:
David schreef op 13-01-2020
in :
On 13/01/2020 20:02, Nil wrote:
On 12 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can one use Xnews on Windows 10?

Yes.

Thank you. :-)

I'm uncertain how you know that to be true though.

It appears to be fairly old, looking he-
https://web.archive.org/web/20141227...s.newsguy.com/

MesNews is also old, but it works great.
http://www.mesnews.net

Thank you. :-)

At the link it says:-

"It works on all version of Windows (95, 98, NT, on 2000, XP, Vista, 7
and 8)."

Have you tried it with Windows 10?

--
David

Why would a guy asking questions from a Macintosh
computer, be so so concerned about Windows 10 compatibility,
like he was a member of the Windows 10 police or something ?

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0)
Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1

You do like everyone else does here.

You test the software yourself.

And, you use the normal level of security handling.
Even if a person tells you they ran something, you
should *repeat* the virustotal scan or the Windows Defender
scan, or examine the executable for trouble as best
you can. One of the reasons fewer people get stung
here, is we try to education them about "safe hex"
when the topic comes up. For example, *don't* download
executables from page 20 of a Google search - the good
results are on page 1. Page 20 is full of traps and bears
and "Danger, Will Robinson".

When you asked the question, a poster with good reputation
points answered your question with "Yes.", which means
the experiment you are about to carry out, is highly
likely to succeed. If there is something abnormal
about your machine, you've broken a lot of subsystems
while hacking the machine to death, the answer might well
be "No.", but the thing is, you would then be responsible
for any errant behaviors.

When a person answers "Yes." like that, it means
"yes, for an un-buggered machine". If you were attempting
to use a 64-bit PE32+ version of some software, on an
Android version of Windows 10, the answer is likely
"No. For obvious reasons.". We always assume some
level of common sense here when answering questions.

Laboriously writing encyclopedic tomes covering
every conceivable ****up (trying to run an EXE
on a Windows 10-S machine), that's just not going to
happen.

If you want more strict answers, please include "winver"
info and copy the descriptive version text from the
System control panel. As this will aid answerers in
identifying "the alligators ate it" cases.

On the Macintosh, your platform of choice, frequently
the "era of software doesn't match your current OS version"
is the root cause and the annoying part of finding software
to work. For example, imagine you're running Sierra
or something, and you go to wireshark.org and you
look at their Macintosh download section. Nothing is
labeled! You'll see 20 versions. Only two of those
will run on your Mac (with it's particular MacOSX 10.x).
Which two ? Who knows! That's what it's like trying
to align Mac freeware with MacOSX version. Every Mac
user is expected to go to Wireshark.org and play
"matrix roulette" to find the right one to run.
I've spent many unhappy hours trying to sort stuff
like that.

The situation on Windows could be considered to be
just as bad, except the most common use cases, work.
There is less roulette required. (Nothing works for
the dude on Win98, but you expect that.) For example, if
I go to OldVersions and pick up an Imgburn from the
collection, they're all likely to work. Each one
will have different amounts of adware, and different
file sizes. Only when someone has gone to considerable
effort (Paint.Net) to make your life miserable, could
it turn out otherwise.

Testing. Testing. Testing. Rubber boots. Rubber gloves.
Don't be in a rush. Don't click the wrong link. "Yes."

Paul

On 14/01/2020 05:34, Paul wrote:
David wrote:
On 13/01/2020 23:10, Machiel de Wit wrote:
David schreef op 13-01-2020
in :
On 13/01/2020 20:02, Nil wrote:
On 12 Jan 2020, David wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can one use Xnews on Windows 10?

Yes.

Thank you. :-)

I'm uncertain how you know that to be true though.

It appears to be fairly old, looking he-
https://web.archive.org/web/20141227...s.newsguy.com/

MesNews is also old, but it works great.
http://www.mesnews.net

Thank you. :-)

At the link it says:-

"It works on all version of Windows (95, 98, NT, on 2000, XP, Vista, 7
and 8)."

Have you tried it with Windows 10?

--
David

Why would a guy asking questions from a Macintosh
computer, be so so concerned about Windows 10 compatibility,
like he was a member of the Windows 10 police or something ?

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0)
** Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1

I am entitled to ask, just as you are entitled to answer! ;-)

If you check my header info. now you should note that I'm posting from
my Toshiba laptop which has Windows 10 installed.

THAT should provide adequate information and explanation, Paul.

You do like everyone else does here.

You test the software yourself.

And, you use the normal level of security handling.
Even if a person tells you they ran something, you
should *repeat* the virustotal scan or the Windows Defender
scan, or examine the executable for trouble as best
you can. One of the reasons fewer people get stung
here, is we try to education them about "safe hex"
when the topic comes up. For example, *don't* download
executables from page 20 of a Google search - the good
results are on page 1. Page 20 is full of traps and bears
and "Danger, Will Robinson".

When you asked the question, a poster with good reputation
points answered your question with "Yes.", which means
the experiment you are about to carry out, is highly
likely to succeed. If there is something abnormal
about your machine, you've broken a lot of subsystems
while hacking the machine to death, the answer might well
be "No.", but the thing is, you would then be responsible
for any errant behaviors.

When a person answers "Yes." like that, it means
"yes, for an un-buggered machine". If you were attempting
to use a 64-bit PE32+ version of some software, on an
Android version of Windows 10, the answer is likely
"No. For obvious reasons.". We always assume some
level of common sense here when answering questions.

Laboriously writing encyclopedic tomes covering
every conceivable ****up (trying to run an EXE
on a Windows 10-S machine), that's just not going to
happen.

If you want more strict answers, please include "winver"
info and copy the descriptive version text from the
System control panel. As this will aid answerers in
identifying "the alligators ate it" cases.

My Winver info:- Version 1909 (OS Build 18363.535)

Awaiting the Tuesday update!

On the Macintosh, your platform of choice, frequently
the "era of software doesn't match your current OS version"
is the root cause and the annoying part of finding software
to work. For example, imagine you're running Sierra
or something, and you go to wireshark.org and you
look at their Macintosh download section. Nothing is
labeled! You'll see 20 versions. Only two of those
will run on your Mac (with it's particular MacOSX 10.x).
Which two ? Who knows! That's what it's like trying
to align Mac freeware with MacOSX version. Every Mac
user is expected to go to Wireshark.org and play
"matrix roulette" to find the right one to run.
I've spent many unhappy hours trying to sort stuff
like that.

I invariably use the most up-to-date Mac OS that has been released for
general use.

The situation on Windows could be considered to be
just as bad, except the most common use cases, work.
There is less roulette required. (Nothing works for
the dude on Win98, but you expect that.) For example, if
I go to OldVersions and pick up an Imgburn from the
collection, they're all likely to work. Each one
will have different amounts of adware, and different
file sizes. Only when someone has gone to considerable
effort (Paint.Net) to make your life miserable, could
it turn out otherwise.

Testing. Testing. Testing. Rubber boots. Rubber gloves.
Don't be in a rush. Don't click the wrong link. "Yes."

** Paul

Thank you for taking so much trouble with your response, Paul.

I really appreciate straightforward and honest answers here in Usenet.

--
Kind regards,
David