Really slow wifi

On 04/13/2018 02:34 AM, Chris wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 04/11/2018 12:24 PM, Chris wrote:

[snip]

I can believe that. Wi-Fi is half-duplex at best for each connection
to/from the router. You're never going to get 50% utilisation.

Half-duplex wouldn't mean "never more than 50% utilization", since the
line can switch direction at any time, it could be upstream 98% and
downstream 2%.

Ah yeah. True. Overstated it a bit.

Point is Wi-Fi is always going to be significantly worse than wired.

Yes. It's more complicated (and so less reliable) as well as slower.

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On 4/13/2018 1:03 AM, Chris wrote:
Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly) and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.


Ok. I've gone through tried a whole bunch of things with no luck:

Forced driver to use the manufacturer's one and not the windows one.
Tried to install it in compatibility mode (win7 & 8).
Used curl in PowerShell.

At all points real downloads are in the 500-800kbps range yet online speed
test is 10Mbps - this is confirmed under network in the task manager.

Strangely YouTube streams can get up to 1-2 Mbps.

Am now at my wits end and out of ideas.

Can anytime recommend a pci Wi-Fi card that works flawlessly in win 10?
I've scoured various sites and none explicitly mention win10 compatibility.

If youtube downloads fine, I wonder if its the browser that is at fault
and is somehow choking on file downloads. Maybe try a different browser?

Hi Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:
On 13/04/2018 09:47, Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:

Can anytime recommend a pci Wi-Fi card that works flawlessly in win 10?
I've scoured various sites and none explicitly mention win10
compatibility.

Do you have any USB3 cabling near the affected equipment ?

The emissions from a "running" USB3 cable, peak at 2.5GHz and
affect 2.4GHz RF systems. Typically a bluetooth mouse/keyboard
might be affected. Try disconnecting any USB3 external disks
you leave running normally, and re-test.

Nope. No USB3 cables in use nor bluetooth. Keyboard/mouse are ps/2
connected via usb dongle. Other than that (and the monitor) nothing's
connected to the PC.

*******

And for the card, are you looking for PCI, or for PCI Express x1 ?

PCIe

As an example of the absurd, a 4x4 MIMO dual band, with four dual-band
antennas. And a cute heatsink on the PCI-E card.

https://www.amazon.ca/ASUS-802-11AC-.../dp/B01H9QMOMY


When reading the reviews, be careful to verify the review is actually
for the AC88, as, like Newegg, they throw a bunch of reviews together
from different SKUs. To make your life miserable.

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Networking/PCE-AC88/

They're selling that for $150.

That's about 10% the price of my whole build! I'm not prepared to spend
that much.

Anything nearer £30GBP? I just need a win10-compatible replacement
(remember the hardware works fine in linux), not a massive upgrade.

But it offers the best performance, if you have a router similarly
equipped.

I don't. It tops out at '11n'.

OK, I tried to find something with a bit more MIMO if I could.
Which might help a bit with multipath (multiple antennas, each twisted
to a different angle, so at least one antenna gets something).

TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 Dual Band Wireless N900 PCI Express Adapter,
2.4GHz 450 Mbps / 5GHz 450 Mbps, IEEE 802.1a/b/g/n,
WEP / WPA / WPA2, Plug & Play in Windows 8 $42

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833704133

On your side of the pond, around £25.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-.../dp/B007GMPZ0A

Thanks. I was also looking at that one. I'll see how i get on with it.

[snip useful details]

Bennett Price wrote:
On 4/13/2018 1:03 AM, Chris wrote:
Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly) and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.


Ok. I've gone through tried a whole bunch of things with no luck:

Forced driver to use the manufacturer's one and not the windows one.
Tried to install it in compatibility mode (win7 & 8).
Used curl in PowerShell.

At all points real downloads are in the 500-800kbps range yet online speed
test is 10Mbps - this is confirmed under network in the task manager.

Strangely YouTube streams can get up to 1-2 Mbps.

Am now at my wits end and out of ideas.

Can anytime recommend a pci Wi-Fi card that works flawlessly in win 10?
I've scoured various sites and none explicitly mention win10 compatibility.

If youtube downloads fine,

I wouldn't say fine. Useable, just.

I wonder if its the browser that is at fault
and is somehow choking on file downloads. Maybe try a different browser?

Yup. Tried Edge with the same results. It's not just Firefox.

On 14/04/2018 20:30, Chris wrote:
Hi Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:
On 13/04/2018 09:47, Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:

Can anytime recommend a pci Wi-Fi card that works flawlessly in win 10?
I've scoured various sites and none explicitly mention win10
compatibility.


TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 Dual Band Wireless N900 PCI Express Adapter,
2.4GHz 450 Mbps / 5GHz 450 Mbps, IEEE 802.1a/b/g/n,
WEP / WPA / WPA2, Plug & Play in Windows 8 $42

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833704133

On your side of the pond, around £25.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-.../dp/B007GMPZ0A

Thanks. I was also looking at that one. I'll see how i get on with it.

[snip useful details]


Just installed the above card and now I'm easily getting 25Mbps (from
the previous ~600Kbps). Don't even need to use the 5GHz band. Happy bunny

Thanks Paul for bearing with me.

Chris wrote:
On 14/04/2018 20:30, Chris wrote:
Hi Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:
On 13/04/2018 09:47, Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:

Can anytime recommend a pci Wi-Fi card that works flawlessly in
win 10?
I've scoured various sites and none explicitly mention win10
compatibility.


TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 Dual Band Wireless N900 PCI Express Adapter,
2.4GHz 450 Mbps / 5GHz 450 Mbps, IEEE 802.1a/b/g/n,
WEP / WPA / WPA2, Plug & Play in Windows 8 $42

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833704133

On your side of the pond, around £25.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-.../dp/B007GMPZ0A


Thanks. I was also looking at that one. I'll see how i get on with it.

[snip useful details]


Just installed the above card and now I'm easily getting 25Mbps (from
the previous ~600Kbps). Don't even need to use the 5GHz band. Happy
bunny

Thanks Paul for bearing with me.

Sounds like you got a good one :-)

Paul

Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:
On 14/04/2018 20:30, Chris wrote:
Hi Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:
On 13/04/2018 09:47, Paul wrote:
Chris wrote:

Can anytime recommend a pci Wi-Fi card that works flawlessly in
win 10?
I've scoured various sites and none explicitly mention win10
compatibility.


TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 Dual Band Wireless N900 PCI Express Adapter,
2.4GHz 450 Mbps / 5GHz 450 Mbps, IEEE 802.1a/b/g/n,
WEP / WPA / WPA2, Plug & Play in Windows 8 $42

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833704133

On your side of the pond, around £25.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-.../dp/B007GMPZ0A


Thanks. I was also looking at that one. I'll see how i get on with it.

[snip useful details]


Just installed the above card and now I'm easily getting 25Mbps (from
the previous ~600Kbps). Don't even need to use the 5GHz band. Happy
bunny

Thanks Paul for bearing with me.

Sounds like you got a good one :-)


Yup.

I've moved the ASUS card into my linux server and it works fine there.
Still can't fathom what was wrong with it in Windows 10.