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Old March 29th 18, 04:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Can Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint & with fonts?

I have someone making signs for me on a vinyl style printer where she says
she can't read in the Microsoft Powerpoint and fonts, even though I've
embedded the entire truetype set (not just what's used in the document) in
the PowerPoint file.

I don't have an Adobe Illustrator to test it out, but can't Illustrator
just read in the PowerPoint file with the fonts?

She says it can't do either, so she has to re-create the sign from a JPEG
which seems pretty ridiculous to me but I don't know the technology at all
since I have never done it.

It's basically two question:
1. Can Adobe Illustrator read in a PowerPoint file from Windows?
2. If yes, can't it get the font out of the embedded font in the PPT file?
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Old March 29th 18, 05:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ragnusen Ultred wrote:

Can Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint & with fonts?


Online searches do work. You could do this yourself. See:

https://www.google.com/search?q=adob...le%20 formats

which found:

https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/...lustrator.html

No listing found on a page search for "Powerpoint" or "pps".
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Old March 29th 18, 07:34 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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VanguardLH wrote:
Ragnusen Ultred wrote:

Can Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint & with fonts?


Online searches do work. You could do this yourself. See:

https://www.google.com/search?q=adob...le%20 formats

which found:

https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/...lustrator.html

No listing found on a page search for "Powerpoint" or "pps".


I see PDF in your list link.

MS PowerPoint -------------- Adobe Illustrator (Open)
Print to PDF

Paul
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Old March 29th 18, 08:09 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Ragnusen Ultred wrote:

Can Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint & with fonts?


https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/...lustrator.html
No listing found on a page search for "Powerpoint" or "pps".


I see PDF in your list link.

MS PowerPoint -------------- Adobe Illustrator (Open)
Print to PDF


Provided the software emulation of a printer that generates a .pdf file
results in a PDF document that is very close to the original Power Point
(.pps) content. I've never bothered using Power Point so I have no
experience what printing to PDF might produce for input from Power Point
to output as PDF. The OP could try to test what results he gets.

If PDF conversion (from Power Point) works well, Illustrator also
supports output to PDF, so there would be no degradation due to further
file format conversion.
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Old March 29th 18, 01:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/29/2018 3:09 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Ragnusen Ultred wrote:

Can Adobe Illustrator read in a Microsoft PowerPoint & with fonts?

https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/...lustrator.html
No listing found on a page search for "Powerpoint" or "pps".


I see PDF in your list link.

MS PowerPoint -------------- Adobe Illustrator (Open)
Print to PDF


Provided the software emulation of a printer that generates a .pdf file
results in a PDF document that is very close to the original Power Point
(.pps) content. I've never bothered using Power Point so I have no
experience what printing to PDF might produce for input from Power Point
to output as PDF. The OP could try to test what results he gets.

If PDF conversion (from Power Point) works well, Illustrator also
supports output to PDF, so there would be no degradation due to further
file format conversion.

None of this really matters. Adobe Illustrator is a vector-based
graphics program, while PowerPoint "collects" files in various formats
to assemble them into a presentation. They're completely different in
almost every regard, so compatibility would be both unlikely and
unnecessary. Having used both programs for decades (since their
creation, in fact), I'd say that even wanting to do such a thing is
rather curious and misguided.

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Old March 29th 18, 03:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Am Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:53:58 -0400, schrieb Neil:

I'd say that even wanting to do such a thing is
rather curious and misguided.


The document exists in PowerPoint so that's a fact and it uses a certain
embedded font, and that's a fact also.

There are two problems, in addition to the rasterization issue, which can't
be gotten around given that the document already exists.

1. The embedded fonts
2. The format

I'm leaning toward printing to PDF with all the embedded fonts, where I
don't see an option to convert PDF to DOC in the Powerpoint help yet.

I can also go WMF which I've never been exposed to, but it looks like an
image format which won't have the embedded font. (Please note that the Mac
handles embedded fonts differently than does Windows so this is a Windows
question separate from a Mac question).
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Old March 29th 18, 03:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/29/2018 10:18 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:53:58 -0400, schrieb Neil:

Â*I'd say that even wanting to do such a thing is rather curious and
misguided.


The document exists in PowerPoint so that's a fact and it uses a certain
embedded font, and that's a fact also.

There are two problems, in addition to the rasterization issue, which can't
be gotten around given that the document already exists.

1. The embedded fonts
2. The format

I'm leaning toward printing to PDF with all the embedded fonts, where I
don't see an option to convert PDF to DOC in the Powerpoint help yet.

I can also go WMF which I've never been exposed to, but it looks like an
image format which won't have the embedded font. (Please note that the Mac
handles embedded fonts differently than does Windows so this is a Windows
question separate from a Mac question).

One of the main things that makes a PDF file a truly "Portable Document
Format" is that when fonts and their width tables are embedded in the
file it doesn't matter what platform, OS or compliant printing device
one uses, the results will be the same. That said, there are plenty of
non-compliant PDF creators, devices etc. that screw up a PDF file to the
point where it's all but useless.

Adobe Illustrator is a different matter altogether, since it is not a
PDF editor.

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Neil
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Old March 29th 18, 04:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In message , Ragnusen Ultred
writes:
Am Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:53:58 -0400, schrieb Neil:

I'd say that even wanting to do such a thing is rather curious and
misguided.


The document exists in PowerPoint so that's a fact and it uses a certain
embedded font, and that's a fact also.


Though Neil might have schrieb what he did more tactfully, I can see
what he's getting at: PowerPoint is a tool for making presentations, and
you're using it to generate input to pass to a sign-maker, for making
unchanging (I assume, since you mentioned vinyl!) signs. I understand
why - PowerPoint isn't _bad_ as a tool for creating graphics, and when
at work, I more than once used it for such purposes. It's a bit like how
a lot of people think "spreadsheet" means "table", or at least they use
a spreadsheet (such as Excel) when all they want is a table. (The
table-generating features of, for example, Word, are a lot more
versatile, if all you want is a table, rather than wanting to do
calculations on the cell contents, or perhaps sorting and similar.)

There are two problems, in addition to the rasterization issue, which can't
be gotten around given that the document already exists.

1. The embedded fonts
2. The format

I'm leaning toward printing to PDF with all the embedded fonts, where I


That would have been my first thought, provided the software the
signmaker is using can accept PDF (which others here have suggested it
can).

don't see an option to convert PDF to DOC in the Powerpoint help yet.


I _think_ there are utilities that will convert PDF to DOC. You haven't
said _why_ you need to do that - I forget what software you said the
signmaker was using, but it wasn't Word - and certainly, the Powerpoint
help is not where I'd look for how to do that!

I can also go WMF which I've never been exposed to, but it looks like an
image format which won't have the embedded font. (Please note that the Mac
handles embedded fonts differently than does Windows so this is a Windows
question separate from a Mac question).


(I haven't seen mention of WMF for ages, so can't comment on that!)

I think PDF is going to be the way for you to go. I'm assuming _you_
will be creating the design, and the signmaker won't be modifying it.
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Old March 29th 18, 04:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Am Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:03:18 +0100, schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):

PowerPoint is a tool for making presentations, and
you're using it to generate input to pass to a sign-maker, for making
unchanging (I assume, since you mentioned vinyl!) signs.


All your observations are reasonable, none of which do I disagree with.

There are literally a hundred signs in the PowerPoint file, which was
edited by multiple people, the first of whom chose Powerpoint - so, while
the final vinyl print is unchanging, the originating document changes (and
have changed multiple times already).

I understand
why - PowerPoint isn't _bad_ as a tool for creating graphics, and when
at work, I more than once used it for such purposes. It's a bit like how
a lot of people think "spreadsheet" means "table".


Your analogy to "table" is reasonable, and I instantly comprehend the
comparison. If we were to start fresh, knowing that Adobe Illustrator
doesn't read in PowerPoint with embedded truetype fonts, then we would use
a different original format on Windows tghat everyone is already familiar
with.

It's a side question of what format is on Windows that almost everyone is
already is very familiar with and has the tools already on their computer.

BTW, what format would that be (that Adobe Illustrator will take)?

I'm guessing the only format that fits that is PDF with embedded fonts, or,
maybe Microsoft Word, but Word is not a good 'drawing' tool as there is
more to a sign than just the words (e.g., there are borders that all road
signs have).

I'm leaning toward printing to PDF with all the embedded fonts


That would have been my first thought, provided the software the
signmaker is using can accept PDF (which others here have suggested it
can).


Thank you for that suggestion.

I think Windows Adobe Illustrator can accept a PDF with the embedded fonts,
but I don't think the Mac can do that - but that just means the Mac has to
download and install those TrueType fonts, which isn't a big deal since the
TT roadsign font set we used were purposefully in the public domain.

don't see an option to convert PDF to DOC in the Powerpoint help yet.


I _think_ there are utilities that will convert PDF to DOC. You haven't
said _why_ you need to do that - I forget what software you said the
signmaker was using, but it wasn't Word - and certainly, the Powerpoint
help is not where I'd look for how to do that!


Thank you for your questions.

I'm limited by what formats with fonts Adobe Illustrator will accept.
DOC, PDF, RTF, GIF, TIF, etc., are accepted, but not PowerPoint.

(I haven't seen mention of WMF for ages, so can't comment on that!)


Forget WMF. I just saved the Powerpoint to WMF on Office 2007 and the
result was a disaster. Case shut on WMF. Please forget I ever mentioned it.

I think PDF is going to be the way for you to go. I'm assuming _you_
will be creating the design, and the signmaker won't be modifying it.


I appreciate your advice.

A whole bunch of people (almost a score) edited the document as we're
making multiple fixed signs, which is why the original person chose
PowerPoint on Windows or Mac (i.e., almost everyone has it and knows how to
use it and it's a lot easier to make signs with PowerPoint than any other
MS Office tool).
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Old March 29th 18, 04:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:53:58 -0400, schrieb Neil:

Â*I'd say that even wanting to do such a thing is rather curious and
misguided.


The document exists in PowerPoint so that's a fact and it uses a certain
embedded font, and that's a fact also.

There are two problems, in addition to the rasterization issue, which can't
be gotten around given that the document already exists.

1. The embedded fonts
2. The format

I'm leaning toward printing to PDF with all the embedded fonts, where I
don't see an option to convert PDF to DOC in the Powerpoint help yet.

I can also go WMF which I've never been exposed to, but it looks like an
image format which won't have the embedded font. (Please note that the Mac
handles embedded fonts differently than does Windows so this is a Windows
question separate from a Mac question).


Not all fonts can be embedded. It depends on the rights for a particular
font. One way to avoid font issues is to convert text to curves then
export as PDF. Of course this is acceptable where the text is limited;
logos, posters, signs and such but not for publishing a novel ;-)

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Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
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Old March 29th 18, 05:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Am Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:30:50 -0400, schrieb Jonathan N. Little:

Not all fonts can be embedded. It depends on the rights for a particular
font. One way to avoid font issues is to convert text to curves then
export as PDF. Of course this is acceptable where the text is limited;
logos, posters, signs and such but not for publishing a novel ;-)


On the legality of font distribution, we have that completely under control
so I'll post a response to your concerns separately as it's not an issue
here.

What's the issue here is getting the document into Adobe Illustrator.

Thanks for that additional advice on text to curves in PPT.

I'm not sure how to do that, so I'll type a log as I try.

First off, Microsoft 2007 needs the "SaveAsPDFandXPS.exe" add in just to
"save" to PDF, which I had archived from years ago and saved on my other
HDD, as it may no longer be available at the Microsoft web site.
2007 Microsoft Office Add-in: Microsoft Save as PDF or XPS
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...ails.aspx?id=7

When I hit the "Save As" in Powerpoint 2007, there are a few places to look
for this "save text as curves" option.

1. Logo Save As (choose PDF) Options Publish
2. Logo Save As (choose PDF) Tools Publish

In the first set, "Options", there's nothing related to text-to-curves.

In the second set, "Tools", there are subsections
a. Map Network Drive...
b. Save Options... === this looks good
c. General Options...
d. Web Options...
e. Compress Pictures...

In the "Save Options...", there is
A. Popular
B. Proofing
C. Save
D. Advanced === this looks good
E. Customize
F. Trust Center
G. Resources

Ah, I think I found it!

Under "Advanced" is a "Print" section, and under that is:
[_]Print TrueType fonts as graphics

Before I proceed, is that the "text to curve" option you spoke about?






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Old March 29th 18, 05:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Am Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:30:50 -0400, schrieb Jonathan N. Little:

Not all fonts can be embedded.
It depends on the rights for a particular font.


On just that offshoot tangential subject of our road-sign font-choice
legalities, we have that completely under control since the TrueType Fonts
we used are freely distributable as long as the document that distributes
them mentions the copyright line.

Since multiple people worked on this file, we had to have the legalities
under control, where we have an entire page for fonts in the document that
I cut and paste here for the tribal knowledge archives to benefit from the
research we did on font distribution.

This document has the entire font set embedded on Windows for:
Roadgeek Series B Regular

Road sign fonts are tested under real-world conditions for specific things
such as halation, night-time and speed legibility (especially when tight
interstices are involved), cutout-integrity, removal of tiny notches in
joints of the letterforms, negative spacing compactness (affecting
legibility of signs in negative-contrast color orientations), common
symbols, etc., all resulting in an increase in accuracy, viewing distance,
and reaction time.

The official USA roadsign font is FHWA Series Gothic which isn't
commercially available.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Gothic

Another recently used but then deprecated US road sign font is ¡Clearview¢
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface)

A common USA Gothic-look-alike freely distributable font is ¡Roadgeek¢
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

In Germany (& in parts of Continental Europe) they use ¡DIN 1451¢ fonts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_1451

The Mac ships native with that actual font, which on the Mac is simply
named¡DIN¢¢
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...uded_with_OS_X

The latest Win10 ships with a DIN-look-alike font named ¡Bahnschrift¢
(which may or may not be embeddable)
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...uild-16273-pc/

In the UK, the commonly used road sign font is named ¡Transport¢
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_(typeface)

Windows MS Office can embed the entire font set which works for Windows.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

Mac MS Office can not embed fonts & also can not read embedded fonts.
http://www.jklstudios.com/misc/osxfonts.html

The Mac also has an issue seeing the DIN font (see the Usenet url for
complete details).
Sierra https://support.apple.com/HT206872
Mavericks: https://support.apple.com/HT201375

Highway Gothic look-alike fonts are available at cost he
https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/pixymbols/highway-gothic/

Highway Gothic look-alike fonts seem to be available for free he
http://www.dafont.com/highway-gothic.font

Clearview is only available at cost (AFAIK):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface)

Roadgeek is available online for free in many places, for example he
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005
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Old March 29th 18, 05:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Am Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:18:28 -0700, schrieb Ragnusen Ultred:

Under "Advanced" is a "Print" section, and under that is:
[_]Print TrueType fonts as graphics

Before I proceed, is that the "text to curve" option you spoke about?


I just ran a quick test, where the results of looking at a small "e" zoomed
tightly on saving to PDF with and without that option doesn't seem to make
any realistic difference at the size of two-inch letters typical of road
signs.

http://i.cubeupload.com/3Zbidh.gif
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Old March 29th 18, 07:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:30:50 -0400, schrieb Jonathan N. Little:

Not all fonts can be embedded. It depends on the rights for a particular
font. One way to avoid font issues is to convert text to curves then
export as PDF. Of course this is acceptable where the text is limited;
logos, posters, signs and such but not for publishing a novel ;-)


[...]

What's the issue here is getting the document into Adobe Illustrator.


[...]
First off, Microsoft 2007 needs the "SaveAsPDFandXPS.exe" add in just to
"save" to PDF, which I had archived from years ago and saved on my other
HDD, as it may no longer be available at the Microsoft web site.
2007 Microsoft Office Add-in: Microsoft Save as PDF or XPS
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...ails.aspx?id=7

When I hit the "Save As" in Powerpoint 2007, there are a few places to look
for this "save text as curves" option.

1. Logo Save As (choose PDF) Options Publish
2. Logo Save As (choose PDF) Tools Publish


It may not be relevant [1], but note that Jonathan said "export as
PDF", not "save to PDF". That may sound as nitpicking, but - for example
- LibreOffice Impress, i.e. their PowerPoint-like component, indeed also
has 'Export as PDF', not 'Save As ... PDF'.

HTH.

[1] I hardly know anything about PowerPoint/Impress and even less about
Adobe Illustrator, so take this with a insert_your_standard_for_weights
of salt.
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Old March 29th 18, 07:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
[...]
I'm limited by what formats with fonts Adobe Illustrator will accept.
DOC, PDF, RTF, GIF, TIF, etc., are accepted, but not PowerPoint.


I'm a total noob on this (see my other response), but wouldn't it be
trivial to save the *visible* respresentation which you have - i.e. the
PPT 'slide' on your display - to GIF or TIF (or PDF)?

[...]
 




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