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  #1  
Old December 24th 08, 03:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
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Default CPU Pegged at 100%

I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and have a few
differences with the other presentations. Just want to try to get at what's
going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down. When I then
try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the flashlight comes up, and
it takes forever, with the usage up to 100%. The primary process in this
case appears to be the Office App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems
like it's svchost that has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless connection)
the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back down. Just keeps cycling
like that. The heavy users in this case appear to be the CreateThread+0x22.
Then when anything else runs on top of that, we have absolutely no
functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

mtvet
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  #2  
Old December 24th 08, 07:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
Shenan Stanley
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Default CPU Pegged at 100%

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that
has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on
top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!


I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of sufficient cache
on the processor *really* makes a noticable difference.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?
- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?
- What AV software?
- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for that
installed?)
- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows control
it.)
- How much free disk space?
- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?
- What version of Office?
- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?
- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or Tablet PC
Edition?
- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it crash
your system? And how long does it take to completely peg your processor and
use all your memory?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


  #3  
Old December 24th 08, 10:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
Gerry
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Default CPU Pegged at 100%

It would be helpful if you could post the Command Line of the process
generating the excessive CPU usage. In Process Explorer place
cursor on Process and select Properties, Image.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down. When
I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the flashlight
comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to 100%. The
primary process in this case appears to be the Office App (eg -
WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that has 3
threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back down.
Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case appear to
be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on top of
that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

mtvet



  #4  
Old December 24th 08, 09:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
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Default CPU Pegged at 100%



"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that
has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on
top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!


I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of sufficient cache
on the processor *really* makes a noticable difference.

I'll be able to answer more when I'm in front of that PC, but here's the
info I do know now.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?

Version 6.7.8 (2048b)

- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?

Not sure if they're the latest.

- What AV software?

McAfee Security Center, et al

- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for that
installed?)

Video card is the one that came with the system (integrated I guess). Not
sure about the latest driver.

- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows control
it.)



- How much free disk space?

A lot.

- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?

Both have been run fairly recently.

- What version of Office?

Office 2002

- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?

Was never prompted to install SP3. When I go to the update center and have
it check for updates, it tells me I'm up to date.

- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or Tablet PC
Edition?

Home Edition

- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it crash
your system? And how long does it take to completely peg your processor and
use all your memory?

I've never run "HeavyLoad", so I can't address specifically. Memory never
seems to be an issue. It appears to be all processor driven. Processor
queue grows huge, everything grinds to a halt for a while. Then, whatever is
holding the processor lets go and everything goes back to normal.

Seems strange to me that I should be able to totally freeze the machine by
having explorer go to "My Computer".



--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



  #5  
Old December 24th 08, 10:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
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Default CPU Pegged at 100%

Gerry:

In the case of using Word and trying to navigate to my computer, the top
user is WINWORD.EXE. The command line is: "C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office10\WINWORD.EXE" The thread that takes up the cpu predominantly
is: WINWORD.EXE+0x18fc

When looking at the svchost issue, the top process is svchost.exe. The
three threads, as I said before, are kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22. Command
line for the image, in this case, is: C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe -k
imgsvc

Hope this helps.

Mark


"Gerry" wrote:

It would be helpful if you could post the Command Line of the process
generating the excessive CPU usage. In Process Explorer place
cursor on Process and select Properties, Image.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down. When
I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the flashlight
comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to 100%. The
primary process in this case appears to be the Office App (eg -
WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that has 3
threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back down.
Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case appear to
be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on top of
that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

mtvet




  #6  
Old December 24th 08, 10:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
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Default CPU Pegged at 100%

More info:

Hard drive remaining: almost 18 GB

VM set at 1.9 G

Office: Microsoft Word 2002 SP3, Excel 2002 SP3




"mtvet" wrote:



"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that
has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on
top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!


I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of sufficient cache
on the processor *really* makes a noticable difference.

I'll be able to answer more when I'm in front of that PC, but here's the
info I do know now.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?

Version 6.7.8 (2048b)

- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?

Not sure if they're the latest.

- What AV software?

McAfee Security Center, et al

- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for that
installed?)

Video card is the one that came with the system (integrated I guess). Not
sure about the latest driver.

- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows control
it.)



- How much free disk space?

A lot.

- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?

Both have been run fairly recently.

- What version of Office?

Office 2002

- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?

Was never prompted to install SP3. When I go to the update center and have
it check for updates, it tells me I'm up to date.

- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or Tablet PC
Edition?

Home Edition

- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it crash
your system? And how long does it take to completely peg your processor and
use all your memory?

I've never run "HeavyLoad", so I can't address specifically. Memory never
seems to be an issue. It appears to be all processor driven. Processor
queue grows huge, everything grinds to a halt for a while. Then, whatever is
holding the processor lets go and everything goes back to normal.

Seems strange to me that I should be able to totally freeze the machine by
having explorer go to "My Computer".



--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



  #7  
Old December 24th 08, 11:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
Gerry
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Default CPU Pegged at 100%


You can launch Word in two ways. You can double click on Microsoft Word
in the All Programs list. This opens Word with a blank document. Another
way is to double click on an existing Word document. Do you notice the
same whichever you do?

With Word you could could get a corrupted normal.dot template. This sent
Word round in circles until the system ran out of memory. I am wondering
whether you are seeing something of that nature.

My computer flashlight. What is your setting for Windows Image
Acquisition? Start, Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Services. Right
click on
Windows Image Acquisition and select Properties. The StartUp type here
is set to automatic.

What exactly do you do to open My Computer. You can get problems with
right clicking.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

mtvet wrote:
Gerry:

In the case of using Word and trying to navigate to my computer, the
top user is WINWORD.EXE. The command line is: "C:\Program
Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\WINWORD.EXE" The thread that takes
up the cpu predominantly is: WINWORD.EXE+0x18fc

When looking at the svchost issue, the top process is svchost.exe.
The three threads, as I said before, are
kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22. Command line for the image, in this
case, is: C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe -k imgsvc

Hope this helps.

Mark


"Gerry" wrote:

It would be helpful if you could post the Command Line of the process
generating the excessive CPU usage. In Process Explorer place
cursor on Process and select Properties, Image.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down. When
I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that
has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back down.
Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case appear
to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on top of
that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

mtvet



  #8  
Old December 25th 08, 06:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
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Default CPU Pegged at 100%



"Gerry" wrote:


You can launch Word in two ways. You can double click on Microsoft Word
in the All Programs list. This opens Word with a blank document. Another
way is to double click on an existing Word document. Do you notice the
same whichever you do?


No difference. I was just using Word as an example... happens with any of
the tools.


With Word you could could get a corrupted normal.dot template. This sent
Word round in circles until the system ran out of memory. I am wondering
whether you are seeing something of that nature.

My computer flashlight. What is your setting for Windows Image
Acquisition? Start, Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Services. Right
click on
Windows Image Acquisition and select Properties. The StartUp type here
is set to automatic.

It IS set to automatic. The flashlight I referred to is the one that
comes up in Explorer when it needs to delay before showing what's in a
folder, so it animates a flashlight to indicate it's looking for stuff.


What exactly do you do to open My Computer. You can get problems with
right clicking.


No right clicking. In the Word example, what I did was use the drop-down
box in the file open dialog to select My Computer. It then takes a long time
to actually display the contents of My Computer and the CPU is totally
consumed.




--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

mtvet wrote:
Gerry:

In the case of using Word and trying to navigate to my computer, the
top user is WINWORD.EXE. The command line is: "C:\Program
Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\WINWORD.EXE" The thread that takes
up the cpu predominantly is: WINWORD.EXE+0x18fc

When looking at the svchost issue, the top process is svchost.exe.
The three threads, as I said before, are
kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22. Command line for the image, in this
case, is: C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe -k imgsvc

Hope this helps.

Mark


"Gerry" wrote:

It would be helpful if you could post the Command Line of the process
generating the excessive CPU usage. In Process Explorer place
cursor on Process and select Properties, Image.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down. When
I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that
has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back down.
Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case appear
to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on top of
that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

mtvet




  #9  
Old December 26th 08, 08:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
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Posts: 40
Default CPU Pegged at 100%

On SP3 now...got THAT issue resolved, but performance still the same, LOUSY.
Updated video driver, no effect. You mentioned the motherboard chipset
drivers and that they should be sure to be updated. If I go into device
manager, which devices do I select in order to update those drivers
appropriately? Is there a way to get the system to do a global driver update
of some type, rather than having to do them piecemeal??

Thanks.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that
has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on
top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!


I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of sufficient cache
on the processor *really* makes a noticable difference.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?
- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?
- What AV software?
- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for that
installed?)
- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows control
it.)
- How much free disk space?
- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?
- What version of Office?
- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?
- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or Tablet PC
Edition?
- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it crash
your system? And how long does it take to completely peg your processor and
use all your memory?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



  #10  
Old December 26th 08, 08:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
Gerry
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Posts: 9,437
Default CPU Pegged at 100%

In terms of system performance McAfee is a poor choice for a home
computer. Replacing it with freeware alternatives would result in a
significant improvement.

Are you sure you have 1.3 gb RAM? You have two slots. What size stick is
each?

Drivers:
http://snipurl.com/951ce [h10025_www1_hp_com]

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

mtvet wrote:
On SP3 now...got THAT issue resolved, but performance still the same,
LOUSY. Updated video driver, no effect. You mentioned the
motherboard chipset drivers and that they should be sure to be
updated. If I go into device manager, which devices do I select in
order to update those drivers appropriately? Is there a way to get
the system to do a global driver update of some type, rather than
having to do them piecemeal??

Thanks.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that
has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on
top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!


I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of
sufficient cache on the processor *really* makes a noticable
difference.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?
- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?
- What AV software?
- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for
that installed?)
- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows
control it.)
- How much free disk space?
- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?
- What version of Office?
- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?
- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or Tablet
PC Edition?
- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it
crash your system? And how long does it take to completely peg your
processor and use all your memory?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



  #11  
Old December 26th 08, 10:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
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Posts: 40
Default CPU Pegged at 100%

Sorry, it's actually 1.25 G. System came with 500M (250x2). I bought 1G and
replace 1 module.

In Task Manager, the total physical memory is : 1308656. Total available
hovers around: 583560, and system cache around: 654840.

Any idea if Windows Defender and McAfee clash at all to cause these kinds of
symptoms. It's still strange to me that the biggest hog I wind up seeing is
svchost.exe with 3 identical threads kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

While McAfee may be somewhat of a hog, it doesn't "appear" to be grabbing
too much of the CPU (except at certain times).

"Gerry" wrote:

In terms of system performance McAfee is a poor choice for a home
computer. Replacing it with freeware alternatives would result in a
significant improvement.

Are you sure you have 1.3 gb RAM? You have two slots. What size stick is
each?

Drivers:
http://snipurl.com/951ce [h10025_www1_hp_com]

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

mtvet wrote:
On SP3 now...got THAT issue resolved, but performance still the same,
LOUSY. Updated video driver, no effect. You mentioned the
motherboard chipset drivers and that they should be sure to be
updated. If I go into device manager, which devices do I select in
order to update those drivers appropriately? Is there a way to get
the system to do a global driver update of some type, rather than
having to do them piecemeal??

Thanks.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost that
has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs on
top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of
sufficient cache on the processor *really* makes a noticable
difference.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?
- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?
- What AV software?
- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for
that installed?)
- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows
control it.)
- How much free disk space?
- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?
- What version of Office?
- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?
- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or Tablet
PC Edition?
- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it
crash your system? And how long does it take to completely peg your
processor and use all your memory?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html




  #12  
Old December 26th 08, 10:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
Gerry
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 9,437
Default CPU Pegged at 100%

What version of McAfee is it?

I do not know whether Windows Defender clashes with McAfee but I doubt
that is the problem.

Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance
Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak?

You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With
the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the boxes
before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the figures
for the 6 processes using the largest amounts?

Do you leave your computer on 24/7?


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



mtvet wrote:
Sorry, it's actually 1.25 G. System came with 500M (250x2). I
bought 1G and replace 1 module.

In Task Manager, the total physical memory is : 1308656. Total
available hovers around: 583560, and system cache around: 654840.

Any idea if Windows Defender and McAfee clash at all to cause these
kinds of symptoms. It's still strange to me that the biggest hog I
wind up seeing is svchost.exe with 3 identical threads
kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

While McAfee may be somewhat of a hog, it doesn't "appear" to be
grabbing too much of the CPU (except at certain times).

"Gerry" wrote:

In terms of system performance McAfee is a poor choice for a home
computer. Replacing it with freeware alternatives would result in a
significant improvement.

Are you sure you have 1.3 gb RAM? You have two slots. What size
stick is each?

Drivers:
http://snipurl.com/951ce [h10025_www1_hp_com]

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

mtvet wrote:
On SP3 now...got THAT issue resolved, but performance still the
same, LOUSY. Updated video driver, no effect. You mentioned the
motherboard chipset drivers and that they should be sure to be
updated. If I go into device manager, which devices do I select in
order to update those drivers appropriately? Is there a way to get
the system to do a global driver update of some type, rather than
having to do them piecemeal??

Thanks.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost
that has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs
on top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of
sufficient cache on the processor *really* makes a noticable
difference.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?
- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?
- What AV software?
- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for
that installed?)
- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows
control it.)
- How much free disk space?
- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?
- What version of Office?
- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?
- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or
Tablet PC Edition?
- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it
crash your system? And how long does it take to completely peg
your processor and use all your memory?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



  #13  
Old December 27th 08, 03:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 40
Default CPU Pegged at 100%

Commit Charge
Total 480080
Limit 3105872
Peak 712684


Top resource users

Process Peak Memory VM Size CPU Time
svchost.exe 163,836 18,040 24:11
Mcshield.exe 148,460 33,360 6:21
mcods.exe 147,716 74,784 1:25:38
explorer 93,096 19,076 6:01
MsMpEng 63,548 48,492 :28
iexplorer 26,128
system idle 22:41:00


System is shut down occasionally, but is often on 24/7. See the same
behavior whether on for long periods of time or when just booted.

Thanks.

"Gerry" wrote:

What version of McAfee is it?

I do not know whether Windows Defender clashes with McAfee but I doubt
that is the problem.

Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance
Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak?

You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With
the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the boxes
before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the figures
for the 6 processes using the largest amounts?

Do you leave your computer on 24/7?


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



mtvet wrote:
Sorry, it's actually 1.25 G. System came with 500M (250x2). I
bought 1G and replace 1 module.

In Task Manager, the total physical memory is : 1308656. Total
available hovers around: 583560, and system cache around: 654840.

Any idea if Windows Defender and McAfee clash at all to cause these
kinds of symptoms. It's still strange to me that the biggest hog I
wind up seeing is svchost.exe with 3 identical threads
kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

While McAfee may be somewhat of a hog, it doesn't "appear" to be
grabbing too much of the CPU (except at certain times).

"Gerry" wrote:

In terms of system performance McAfee is a poor choice for a home
computer. Replacing it with freeware alternatives would result in a
significant improvement.

Are you sure you have 1.3 gb RAM? You have two slots. What size
stick is each?

Drivers:
http://snipurl.com/951ce [h10025_www1_hp_com]

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

mtvet wrote:
On SP3 now...got THAT issue resolved, but performance still the
same, LOUSY. Updated video driver, no effect. You mentioned the
motherboard chipset drivers and that they should be sure to be
updated. If I go into device manager, which devices do I select in
order to update those drivers appropriately? Is there a way to get
the system to do a global driver update of some type, rather than
having to do them piecemeal??

Thanks.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost
that has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs
on top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of
sufficient cache on the processor *really* makes a noticable
difference.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?
- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?
- What AV software?
- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for
that installed?)
- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows
control it.)
- How much free disk space?
- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?
- What version of Office?
- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?
- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or
Tablet PC Edition?
- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it
crash your system? And how long does it take to completely peg
your processor and use all your memory?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html




  #14  
Old December 27th 08, 07:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 40
Default CPU Pegged at 100%

Tried to respond to this once, but it didn't seem to take, so here goes
again. If the other one shows up, the numbers will be slightly different,
since I took a new snapshot. Here goes:

Stats for Processes and processor:

Commit Charge
Total: 480080
Limit: 2105872
Peak: 712684


Added total CPU time, just for giggles:

Process Peak Mem VM Size CPU Time
scvhost.exe 163,836 18,056 32:13
mcods.exe 151,180 140,284 1:25:49
Mcshield.exe 148,460 97,736 11:52
explorer.exe 93,224 19,916 3:25
MsMpEng.exe 63,548 46,588 6:22
iexplore.exe 60,040 41,036 4:19

System idle process 24:43:05


The computer tends to be on for long periods of time, as you can tell by the
idle process time, but does get shut down from time to time, and there
doesn’t seem to be a difference in performance between times when it’s been
on for a long time and when it’s just started up.

I just drove the WINWORD.EXE process up to 98% of CPU by trying to open a
file and looking in My Computer. Its stats, BTW, are Peak Mem: 24,348, VM
Size: 11,308, CPU Time 00:46. And it had only been running for a few
minutes.

McAfee info: Security Center version 8.1, build 8.1.175. Virus Scan
version 12.1, build 12.1.110, Personal Firewall v9.1, b9.1.108, Site Advisor
v2.8. b2.8.304.


"Gerry" wrote:

What version of McAfee is it?

I do not know whether Windows Defender clashes with McAfee but I doubt
that is the problem.

Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance
Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak?

You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With
the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the boxes
before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the figures
for the 6 processes using the largest amounts?

Do you leave your computer on 24/7?


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



mtvet wrote:
Sorry, it's actually 1.25 G. System came with 500M (250x2). I
bought 1G and replace 1 module.

In Task Manager, the total physical memory is : 1308656. Total
available hovers around: 583560, and system cache around: 654840.

Any idea if Windows Defender and McAfee clash at all to cause these
kinds of symptoms. It's still strange to me that the biggest hog I
wind up seeing is svchost.exe with 3 identical threads
kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

While McAfee may be somewhat of a hog, it doesn't "appear" to be
grabbing too much of the CPU (except at certain times).

"Gerry" wrote:

In terms of system performance McAfee is a poor choice for a home
computer. Replacing it with freeware alternatives would result in a
significant improvement.

Are you sure you have 1.3 gb RAM? You have two slots. What size
stick is each?

Drivers:
http://snipurl.com/951ce [h10025_www1_hp_com]

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

mtvet wrote:
On SP3 now...got THAT issue resolved, but performance still the
same, LOUSY. Updated video driver, no effect. You mentioned the
motherboard chipset drivers and that they should be sure to be
updated. If I go into device manager, which devices do I select in
order to update those drivers appropriately? Is there a way to get
the system to do a global driver update of some type, rather than
having to do them piecemeal??

Thanks.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost
that has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs
on top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of
sufficient cache on the processor *really* makes a noticable
difference.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?
- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?
- What AV software?
- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for
that installed?)
- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows
control it.)
- How much free disk space?
- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?
- What version of Office?
- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?
- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or
Tablet PC Edition?
- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it
crash your system? And how long does it take to completely peg
your processor and use all your memory?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html




  #15  
Old December 30th 08, 07:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
mtvet
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 40
Default CPU Pegged at 100%

Just wanted to make sure my responses were actually getting out there, since
my ability to see them has been very compromised by using the Microsoft
web-based newsreader. Figured I would ping this one, just to make sure that
if the existence of the other replies had been unobserved there would be
another chance for a response.

Mark

"Gerry" wrote:

What version of McAfee is it?

I do not know whether Windows Defender clashes with McAfee but I doubt
that is the problem.

Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance
Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak?

You should be able to gather more information from Task Manager. With
the Processes tab open select View, Select, Columns and check the boxes
before Peak Memory Usage and Virtual Memory size. What are the figures
for the 6 processes using the largest amounts?

Do you leave your computer on 24/7?


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



mtvet wrote:
Sorry, it's actually 1.25 G. System came with 500M (250x2). I
bought 1G and replace 1 module.

In Task Manager, the total physical memory is : 1308656. Total
available hovers around: 583560, and system cache around: 654840.

Any idea if Windows Defender and McAfee clash at all to cause these
kinds of symptoms. It's still strange to me that the biggest hog I
wind up seeing is svchost.exe with 3 identical threads
kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

While McAfee may be somewhat of a hog, it doesn't "appear" to be
grabbing too much of the CPU (except at certain times).

"Gerry" wrote:

In terms of system performance McAfee is a poor choice for a home
computer. Replacing it with freeware alternatives would result in a
significant improvement.

Are you sure you have 1.3 gb RAM? You have two slots. What size
stick is each?

Drivers:
http://snipurl.com/951ce [h10025_www1_hp_com]

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

mtvet wrote:
On SP3 now...got THAT issue resolved, but performance still the
same, LOUSY. Updated video driver, no effect. You mentioned the
motherboard chipset drivers and that they should be sure to be
updated. If I go into device manager, which devices do I select in
order to update those drivers appropriately? Is there a way to get
the system to do a global driver update of some type, rather than
having to do them piecemeal??

Thanks.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

mtvet wrote:
I've seen this issue a number of times, but no firm solution, and
have a few differences with the other presentations. Just want to
try to get at what's going on with this machine.

HP Pavilion 503n, XPSP2, Celeron 1.7GHz, 1.3 GB RAM

Running Process Explorer to try to figure out what's going on.

Launch an Office program - Jumps to 100% CPU, then drops down.
When I then try to open a file and navigate to My Computer, the
flashlight comes up, and it takes forever, with the usage up to
100%. The primary process in this case appears to be the Office
App (eg - WinWord). In other cases, seems like it's svchost
that has 3 threads of kernel32.dll!CreateThread+0x22.

These each consume 20+% of the CPU.

When we connect to the web using VZAccessMgr (verizon wireless
connection) the usage jumps from about 20% up to 80% and back
down. Just keeps cycling like that. The heavy users in this case
appear to be the CreateThread+0x22. Then when anything else runs
on top of that, we have absolutely no functionality at all.

Any help/suggestions appreciated!!!

I tend to see that alot on celeron processors. The lack of
sufficient cache on the processor *really* makes a noticable
difference.

- Are you running the latest VZAccessMgr?
- Latest hardware drivers (motherboard chipset in particular)?
- What AV software?
- Integrated or seperate video card (and is the latest driver for
that installed?)
- What is your virtual memory set at? (I suggest you let Windows
control it.)
- How much free disk space?
- Last time you ran a full CHKDSK?
- Followed by a full defragmentation?
- What version of Office?
- Why SP2 and not SP3 for Windows XP?
- Home Edition, Professional Edition, Media Center Edition or
Tablet PC Edition?
- If you run an application like "HeavyLoad" for a while - does it
crash your system? And how long does it take to completely peg
your processor and use all your memory?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html




 




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