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Old November 17th 18, 05:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
arlen michael holder
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:54:10 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

A good question, though I suspect answers will be so personal - or
usage-specific - that we won't come up with anything of wide usefulness.
But I might be wrong there. I suspect we might get _some_ people who
think their way/answer is the best one, though.


Hi J.P. Gilliver,

Instantly, dual monitors require an organizational philosophy adjustment.
(If people aren't organized, they likely won't even _notice_ a difference.)

You may know that I'm one of the most well organized people on this planet
for how my computer is set up, e.g., I _never_ need to search for anything,
and everything has a shortcut *on the taskbar*, where my philosophy is that
the taskbar is the *one and only* place to _start_ "things".

And yet, if there's one thing that _changes_ (tremendously) the _instant_
you add a second monitor ... it's ... well ... it's ... it's the taskbar!

Dammit!

I'm going to explain the problem below, but I don't have the solution yet
.... (as the solution is what I'm asking about)...

Also, I'm not going to respond to the trolls (i.e., not to Bob S, Rudy
Wieser, and Char Jackson, who prove each time they post that all they _can_
do, is troll - mainly because they also prove to be utterly clueless in
technical knowledge, and yet, they feel a strangely desperate childish need
to post "something", even as that incessant moronic drivel Bob S, Rudy, and
Char post, simply proves they can only add negative value to any thread).

I think you understood the question, where, I've been using a single
monitor for, oh, as long as anyone, but when two monitors popped up,
*instantly*, things were different. Very different.

In an organizational sense.

If you don't have two monitors, you might not realize the task bar, for
example, acts differently in each monitor. There's nothing you can do about
it, because I tried, and it just acts differently. So I turned it off in
one monitor. That changes things instantly also, since now the main
"action" is always at the left (assuming a task bar at the left).

I just remembered, in typing that, that most people put the task bar
wherever Microsoft put it, which is, of course, on the bottom. From a
philosophical viewpoint, I think that's the *worst* place (other than at
the top) for a permanent taskbar, since up:down real estate is almost
always far more precious than side-to-side real estate in typically-sized
monitors.

Bear in my _all_ my equipment is handmedowns, from the computer (which was
salvage) to the main monitor (which was salvage) to the second monitor
(which was given to me by a friend when he found out that I was having
trouble with the IDE in dual monitors running video tutorials).

If a person has never been a noob to a complex IDE, who is using tutorials
to figure out complex tasks, then they may very well not comprehend that
the problem set is overwhelmingly different. Instantly so!

There's a thread on that very topic, just before this thread:
Subject: two mice, one for each monitor hooked to one desktop?
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:57:17 -0500
Message-ID:
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.php?t=1106395

The problem is hard to describe because it's like driving a rental car,
where everything you used to do, is now in a different place.

For example,
o The mouse is still in the same old place (to the right, for me)
o The main monitor is to my front, in the usual place (for me)
o The second monitor is to the left.
o That taskbar drove me nuts though

If someone hasn't actually tried to have the same taskbar in both monitors,
they will never realize, I think, how different it instantly is, from a
single monitor. I finally gave up on trying to control that taskbar where I
rarely give up on technical things, but I just could not get the taskbar to
do the same thing in both monitors.

*Especially since my philosophy is that EVERYHTHING starts at the taskbar!*

While someone with one HUGE monitor may "claim" that it's the same thing as
two smaller monitors, it's just not. And it's *instantly* different.

Instantly, dual monitors require an organizational philosophy adjustment.
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Old November 17th 18, 05:39 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

Paul,

It doesn't "give threading for free", that site.


I was not assuming, or looking for anything like it. I just wondered if it
was maybe set up for some intimi, but leaked out somehow. I have little to
no wish to abuse such a situation.

But it caused me to consider a second thing: Do you have any idea about its
retention ? I'm asking, because its normally parents of already old
messages (often from necro-bumping GoogleGroups posters, but sometimes also
techical posts which lack context) that I sometimes want/need to take a peek
at.

So Howard retaliated by ruining the archive, and truncating *any* long
message, not just ones with obvious movie payloads.
Which is a smart move on Howards part, as the movie pirates can't game the
system if all long posts are ruined.


Both agreed. But I take it it was either that, or apart from auto-weedeing
the obvious ones, still needing to keep adding filters to weed out those
"gamers" ...Something which I think he tried first (but had to admit it
would take way to much time).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old November 17th 18, 06:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 11/17/2018 10:36 AM, arlen michael holder wrote:
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:54:10 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

A good question, though I suspect answers will be so personal - or
usage-specific - that we won't come up with anything of wide usefulness.
But I might be wrong there. I suspect we might get _some_ people who
think their way/answer is the best one, though.


Hi J.P. Gilliver,

Instantly, dual monitors require an organizational philosophy adjustment.
(If people aren't organized, they likely won't even _notice_ a difference.)

You may know that I'm one of the most well organized people on this planet
for how my computer is set up, e.g., I _never_ need to search for anything,
and everything has a shortcut *on the taskbar*, where my philosophy is that
the taskbar is the *one and only* place to _start_ "things".

And yet, if there's one thing that _changes_ (tremendously) the _instant_
you add a second monitor ... it's ... well ... it's ... it's the taskbar!

Dammit!

I'm going to explain the problem below, but I don't have the solution yet
... (as the solution is what I'm asking about)...

Also, I'm not going to respond to the trolls (i.e., not to Bob S, Rudy
Wieser, and Char Jackson, who prove each time they post that all they _can_
do, is troll - mainly because they also prove to be utterly clueless in
technical knowledge, and yet, they feel a strangely desperate childish need
to post "something", even as that incessant moronic drivel Bob S, Rudy, and
Char post, simply proves they can only add negative value to any thread).

I think you understood the question, where, I've been using a single
monitor for, oh, as long as anyone, but when two monitors popped up,
*instantly*, things were different. Very different.

In an organizational sense.

If you don't have two monitors, you might not realize the task bar, for
example, acts differently in each monitor. There's nothing you can do about
it, because I tried, and it just acts differently. So I turned it off in
one monitor. That changes things instantly also, since now the main
"action" is always at the left (assuming a task bar at the left).

I just remembered, in typing that, that most people put the task bar
wherever Microsoft put it, which is, of course, on the bottom. From a
philosophical viewpoint, I think that's the *worst* place (other than at
the top) for a permanent taskbar, since up:down real estate is almost
always far more precious than side-to-side real estate in typically-sized
monitors.

Bear in my _all_ my equipment is handmedowns, from the computer (which was
salvage) to the main monitor (which was salvage) to the second monitor
(which was given to me by a friend when he found out that I was having
trouble with the IDE in dual monitors running video tutorials).

If a person has never been a noob to a complex IDE, who is using tutorials
to figure out complex tasks, then they may very well not comprehend that
the problem set is overwhelmingly different. Instantly so!

There's a thread on that very topic, just before this thread:
Subject: two mice, one for each monitor hooked to one desktop?
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:57:17 -0500
Message-ID:
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.php?t=1106395

The problem is hard to describe because it's like driving a rental car,
where everything you used to do, is now in a different place.

For example,
o The mouse is still in the same old place (to the right, for me)
o The main monitor is to my front, in the usual place (for me)
o The second monitor is to the left.
o That taskbar drove me nuts though

If someone hasn't actually tried to have the same taskbar in both monitors,
they will never realize, I think, how different it instantly is, from a
single monitor. I finally gave up on trying to control that taskbar where I
rarely give up on technical things, but I just could not get the taskbar to
do the same thing in both monitors.

*Especially since my philosophy is that EVERYHTHING starts at the taskbar!*

While someone with one HUGE monitor may "claim" that it's the same thing as
two smaller monitors, it's just not. And it's *instantly* different.

Instantly, dual monitors require an organizational philosophy adjustment.



If you are unhappy using two monitors, get yourself a 4k monitor. At the
same time you could get a PC with intel processor. You can solve the
problem in hours, not days or weeks with the approaches you take.

Since you spend money on numerous phones and other electronic devices to
give away, getting the proper hardware to do what you are doing should
be easy.


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Old November 17th 18, 06:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 10:57:58 -0500, Paul wrote:

A neat thing about an IDE, is you can run a program you just
wrote, attach a debugger, and when you hit a breakpoint, the
text editor in the IDE "jumps" to the line of code where the
program is currently stopped.


This (very detailed) post is only for J.P. Gilliver whom I respect, so I
will explain, in detail, how IDEs are (vastly) _different_, in terms of
what a noob needs in monitor real-estate setup.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5901351androidstudio55.jpg

Bear in mind I'm a complete noob to this particular IDE, so the problem
*instantly* gets _different_ in that this isn't just punching buttons in
something relatively simple like, oh, say, "The GIMP", or "Photoshop", or
"ShotCut" (all of which pale in comparison to the complexity of this IDE).

Paul is correct (as alway, where, to help others who don't know how
freaking complex IDEs can be, here is a sample screenshot of the IDE that
I'm currently using.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9210567androidstudio05.jpg

The goal of this particular IDE, is to write Android apps on Windows:
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5881250androidstudio73.jpg

Where the IDE is used to design & test Android apps on Windows computers:
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5614359androidstudio42.jpg

It has many "panes", from coding panes, to error panes, to CAD panes, to
widget panes, to variable panes, to setting panes, to execution panes,
etc., all the while it interfaces to external devices and emulated devices.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7301488androidstudio29.jpg

It's very extensible, where you can add an entire new level of complexity,
such as adding the entire suite of Microsoft Visual Studio Android
emulators, as I did, which brings in yet another GUI into the equation:
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9766951androidstudio33.jpg

When you're doing all that, even WITHOUT the video tutorials, your screen
is filled to the brim with necessary windows, which is shown here.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8515596androidstudio46.jpg

At the same time you're dealing with all that, you're _also_ dealing with
the Windows file system file explorer.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1054744androidstudio50.jpg

Where you're constantly creating & deleting & editing & moving files.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5602322androidstudio51.jpg

And all that assumes everything is already WORKING just dandy!
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5790092androidstudio56.jpg

Which, almost always is not the case, at least for a noob like I am, so
you're constantly debugging something in Windows!
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2597741androidstudio62.jpg

After all that, then add a start-and-stop video tutorial to _that_ mess,
and you see that the need for screen real estate is paramount!
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7987464androidstudio74.jpg

To a noob, there is no freaking way they will get _anything_ done without
following a step-by-step tutorial. And, for a noob, the problem with almost
all (if not all) tutorials are numerous, where I can just summarize by
saying there are no good tutorials out there that I can find (yet) for this
particular IDE. (I'm not the only one looking where others have said the
same thing.)

Mostly the tutorials aren't so great because they're usually _old_ (like
they're on version 1 of the tools while the current tool is version 3), so
all the button presses are different.

Lots of the non-video tutorials don't show WHERE the icons are that they
hit, which is compounded by the fact that the icons are in different places
given the inevitable version mismatch (and setup mismatches).

For a noob, literally, you need more real estate than the typical 17-inch
monitor. If you have a HUGE monitor, then this question doesn't apply.

*But if you have only two small'ish monitors, the question applies.*

In summary, for J.P. Gilliver, an "IDE" is a complete environment (much
like, I guess, Microsoft Office is), where, for a noob, who is new to both
coding, and to emulation and to writing Android apps, the amount of "real
estate" you need on your monitor is *instantly* greater than doing simpler
things.

If you already have a *huge* monitor, the problem is vastly less.
If you have a *tiny* monitor, like I have, the problem compounds.
When you add a second 17" monitor, like I did, "things change".

Since I'm all about organization (if you have to resort to a search, you've
already lost the battle), all I'm asking is that people who have dealt with
these monitor changes for years to give me organizational advice.
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Old November 17th 18, 06:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
arlen michael holder
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 10:49:01 -0500, Paul wrote:

http://al.howardknight.net/


Thanks Paul,

This is offtopic, but to further help Rudy, and maybe to help others, Paul
is 100% correct on everything he wrote, as usual, where Paul's answer is
specific to the message id.

The summary below is not specific to the message id, but to keywords,
where I _created_ all the tinyurls below (some very many years ago).

I hope Rudy appreciates the effort since I'm always about helping everyone
with every post...

o In addition to Usenet Article Lookup by Message-ID engine:
http://al.howardknight.net/

AFAIK... there are only these:
o Google groups archive for WinXP:
http://tinyurl.com/windowsxp-general
http://tinyurl.com/microsoft-public-windowsxp-gen (30-char limit)
o N-archive for both WinXP & Win7:
http://microsoft.public.windows.xp.general.narkive.com
http://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com
o PCBanter archive for Windows 7
http://tinyurl.com/ alt-windows7-general

If anyone knows of _others_, now is a good time to edify us all!

--
Off-topic aside: I wish to thank JP Gilliver, where I appreciate that you
explained to "Bob S" that the question is perfectly valid. I will respond
more fully in later posts if others are like Bob S, who don't yet realize
that dual monitors instantly bring up organizational issues which didn't
exist prior (e.g., like dual taskbars).
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Old November 17th 18, 06:56 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
arlen michael holder
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:13:21 -0600, joe wrote:

If you are unhappy using two monitors, get yourself a 4k monitor. At the
same time you could get a PC with intel processor. You can solve the
problem in hours, not days or weeks with the approaches you take.


Hi Joe,
You are astute.

We know each other well, "joe" (mostly from the mobile phone ngs), so you
are completely correct that throwing money at the problem solves
everything.

I do not disagree.

I am a person who saves our precious resources. Most people are not.

For example, I compost all my leftovers so as to reduce, literally to zero,
the amount of trash I have to put out at the curb, and I have decades-old
vehicles simply because it's a waste of resources to buy new ones (the
sales tax of about 10% alone on a $50K car is more than repairs, where, as
you may know, "joe", I do all my own repairs, from vehicle alignment, to
mounting, repairing, & balancing my own tires, to brakes & cooling systems,
and where I write detailed tutorials on the net like I did recently for how
to replace a clutch (usually with HUNDREDS of pictures, to help noobs like
me out there).
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.home.repair/qEhph1MmSKs/S_R2Y4gRBwAJ

Daily, I conserve our precious resources, where, I agree with you, it takes
zero intelligence to just throw money at a problem such as how to organize
dual monitors.

But I'd rather solve the problem using intelligence.

Philosophically, I've solved the search problem using intelligence (where,
I posit that if you have to search for anything on your own computer, then
you already lost the battle).

For me, I made the "taskbar" the single point for "action" on the computer
monitor, where that taskbar contains EVERYTHING anyone would need.
o It contains the Microsoft "Start" stuff
o It contains pinned folders (which then contain the key folders)
o It contains pinned shortcuts
o It contains the cascaded WinXP menu (literally copied over from WinXP)
o It contains a pinned folder of "lesser used" links (aka "Favorites")
o It contains notifications (although I limit them to a minimum)
etc.

The one thing I haven't yet figured out how to do with the taskbar is how
to make it cascade to a menu system of just folders. Apparently the only
way to do that is to use the "actual" folders, which is ridiculous.

So that's the only thing missing in making the taskbar the *start* point
for *everything*.

And yet, with dual monitors, the one thing that changes the most, is the
taskbar!

Since you spend money on numerous phones and other electronic devices to
give away, getting the proper hardware to do what you are doing should
be easy.


While you are correct "joe", in that I give away about a dozen smartphones
a year to friends and family (and they give me stuff too, e.g., I've almost
never had to pay for my iPads simply because I would never waste the money
on them unless I had to, so people give them to me, for free) - but "gifts"
are very different things, "joe".

Gifts are things you give willingly without concern for the cost.
You only are concerned with the joy that it brings the recipient.
Almost always, the recipient gives back a nugget of value, in some respect.

That's why I give so freely on Usenet, for example.
For the joy of giving (and getting back nuggets of wisdom, in return).

--
Hint: I'm a believer in Usenet being a "gift" of nuggest of knowledge!
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Old November 17th 18, 07:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

Arlen,

While someone with one HUGE monitor may "claim" that it's the same thing
as
two smaller monitors, it's just not. And it's *instantly* different.

Instantly, dual monitors require an organizational philosophy adjustment.


It sounds to me *you* are the one creating a problem, instead of solving
one.

To reflect your own words back to you: : If you do not feel the need to have
to go thru a "organizational philosophy adjustment" (whatever that actually
may mean, sounds like bull****-bingo content to me) you simply connect a big
(as in: wide) screen. Problem solved.

Also, I'm not going to respond to the trolls (i.e., not to Bob S, Rudy
Wieser, and Char Jackson, who prove each time they post that all they
_can_ do, is troll - mainly because they also prove to be utterly
clueless in technical knowledge.


Good. That saves me the trouble of deciding if I would like to part with
what I found out about it when I, instead of the bog-standard and utterly
eazy (even on w98se) "stretch desktop to two monitors", tried to put a
different desktop on both of them.

The problem with that was not the software, as MSDN and google offered
enough info to build such a "second desktop" program, but that ...

Oh wait, you are not at all interrested in what I have to say. 'Scuse me.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old November 17th 18, 08:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
arlen michael holder
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 19:20:24 +0100, R.Wieser wrote:

Good. That saves me the trouble of deciding if I would like to part with
what I found out about it


Hi Rudy,

Thank you for proposing that you have vast imaginary knowledge.
(but that you won't tell us what it is).

Hehhehheh ... sure Rudy ... sure.... we believe you. Sure.
(I'll bet you're great at playing hide and seek too!)

I only speak facts, where all my facts are cold hard referenced facts.
You generally speak from a vast reservoir of an imaginary belief system.

You and I go way back, where, as you know, and as the other trolls know, I
am merely a "mirror" to you (and to all similar trolls).
o When you act like an adult, I treat you like an adult
o When you act like a child, I treat you like a child

Sometimes, rarely, but sometimes, you _do_ act like an adult.
And you know the fact is clear, that I then _treat_ you like an adult.

The way I show you act like a child is simply to point out EXACTLY what you
write yourself. I don't prove you act like a child, Rudy... you prove it.

One of the most basic ways of acting like a child, Rudy, which is very
common on the net (e.g., Diesel, Nil, Snit, Bob S, etc.) and, which you
_know_ to be a fact (e.g., Bob S did it in this very thread) is...
o A child _claims_ to have imaginary knowledge,
o But that imaginary knowledge _never_ seems to every exist.

The beauty, of course, of imaginary knowledge is that it contains only
"pros" and zero "cons". Frank Slootweg has _tons_ of that imaginary
knowledge, for example, where he can't _prove_ a single word of it:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/QJlPRhqHeNQ
To which I had to push and prod him to even respond, given that he claimed
we "ignored" his imaginary knowledge until then.

What I notice about people with wholly imaginary knowledge, which you have
plenty of Rudy, much to your credit, is that, like Diesel did in the
freeware thread,
o You want us to _beg_ for that imaginary knowledge, and, even then,
o You want us to apologize for treating you like a child, and, even then,
o You won't tell us because you want to "make us work" for it.

Don't believe me on this trait of those with wholly imaginary solutions?

Look here in the ringtone thread, which is filled to the brim with your
imaginary knowledge...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/TTcHK_FOZpg/GtE8dYWLBAAJ

--
Many on Usenet have more imaginary knowledge than do actual children!
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Old November 17th 18, 08:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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R.Wieser wrote:
Frank,

'Even' simple GUI newsreaders like OE


Yes, even back in OE5 you could switch between a sorted on
date/name/subject/etc list and a thread tree.

But that always needs to be done by toolbar - "view" - "currrent view" -
"group messages by conversation" (I've never seen (an addition for) a simple
(switch between list and tree) button for it). It also drops any message
focus it might have had, leaving it upto the user to find it back again.
Which is no fun in a long thread that has several/many subthreads.


Just F[Y]I:

Thunderbird has keyboard shortcuts to Expand and Collaps threads

If you use the Message Pane to read articles, you don't lose focus.
But if you read articles in a seperate window (instead of in the Message
Pane), the focus in the 'thread pane' (upper-right pane) indeed does not
follow the progression in the seperate message window.

... Which is also the reason why I seldom switch from one to the other.

Its often easier to switch to "sort by subject" (from the defailt "sort by
date") and than looking up a bit.


Also, your "go to parent" probably breaks when you have certain posters
blocked - and which probably is why John didn't see the parent message in
the first place.


Good point. I hadn't checked that. I don't think that this applies in
this particular case, because John did post a response to the 'unknown'
poster ('Arlen'), but in general, it might be a concern.

I have no experience with blocking/unblocking in TB and I didn't see a
way while quickly browsing the menus.

FWIW, in my CUI newsreader 'tin', 'go to parent' overrides any
'killing', so the newsreader will show the article, even if it was
'killed' earlier.
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Old November 17th 18, 09:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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arlen michael holder wrote:
[...]
The beauty, of course, of imaginary knowledge is that it contains only
"pros" and zero "cons". Frank Slootweg has _tons_ of that imaginary
knowledge, for example, where he can't _prove_ a single word of it:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/QJlPRhqHeNQ
To which I had to push and prod him to even respond, given that he claimed
we "ignored" his imaginary knowledge until then.


Did you post this before or after I responded in said thread, some 4
hours ago!?

If before, your post doesn't make any sense. If after, you're even a
bigger creep than 'normal'.

In any case, that's what you get for insulting people for no reason
whatsoever, they ignore you, partly or completely. Live with it or
change your ways.

FWIW, I'm still up for constructive participation in said thread, if
you manage to act like an adult.

As always, the ball is in your court.

P.S.

given that he claimed
we "ignored" his imaginary knowledge until then.


As usual, you're confusing different topics. That I made you work to
re-read inforation I had posted before has nothing to do with said
thread. Two completely different topics, not even remotely related.

[...]
  #26  
Old November 17th 18, 09:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
R.Wieser
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Default [OT] How (not) to show parent of current article.

Frank,

Just F[Y]I:

Thunderbird has [snip]


You mentioned OE, and that is what I respond(ed) to.

because John did post a response to the 'unknown'
poster ('Arlen'), but in general, it might be a concern.


Actually ? No.

He responded to Bob_S, as can make out from the part where John specifically
referred to him not having quoted who he responded to - which would have
been Arlen.

I have no experience with blocking/unblocking in TB and I didn't
see a way while quickly browsing the menus.


I'm using OE6 (hence my knowledge about it), and even I only recently came
to know how to do it (though it was simple in retrospect - you just have to
make a rule first).

FWIW, in my CUI newsreader 'tin', 'go to parent' overrides
any 'killing', so the newsreader will show the article, even if it
was 'killed' earlier.


FWI, if you block a sender in OE his posts will not even be stored in the
message database. No overriding possible. It even asks if you want to
delete all the senders past messages too. And yes, I do like the "hide
messages of blocked posters" better - for the reason of being able to keep
track of a full thread tree and/or being able to (temporarily) unblock a
person and thereby being able to read his past messages.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #27  
Old November 17th 18, 10:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
arlen michael holder
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

On 17 Nov 2018 20:03:16 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

FWIW, I'm still up for constructive participation in said thread, if
you manage to act like an adult.


Hi Frank,
I am a mirror.
I am all about "real" solutions.

Too many people post wholly imaginary solutions on Usenet.
I don't use a Usenet reader (I use "vi" to read Usenet) so your link
doesn't work, but I'll install a Usenet reader and try to read it.

At this point, I haven't read it yet, but when I do, I'll respond in that
thread.

Thanks.

Remember always...
o When a Usenet poster acts like an adult, I treat him as an adult
o When a Usenet poster acts like a child, I treat him as a child

It's a very simple formula.
o I never need to prove they act like a child.
o I just point out when they do since _they_ prove they act like children.

Witness the very first post in this thread from Bob S. for an example.

--
Too many Usenet posters live in a world of imaginary solutions; mine are
all real, and they're well documented, unlike the imaginary solutions,
which only have pros, and no cons, because, well, because they only exist
in make believe.
  #28  
Old November 17th 18, 10:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default [OT] How (not) to show parent of current article.

R.Wieser wrote:
Frank,

Just F[Y]I:

Thunderbird has [snip]


You mentioned OE, and that is what I respond(ed) to.


Yes, I know, but I also mentioned WM/WLM/TB and since I have TB, I
posted some information about it (TB).

And note the, perhaps too subtle, 'F[Y]I'. I.e. it's not directed
towards (only) you.

because John did post a response to the 'unknown'
poster ('Arlen'), but in general, it might be a concern.


Actually ? No.

He responded to Bob_S, as can make out from the part where John specifically
referred to him not having quoted who he responded to - which would have
been Arlen.


Actually? Yes! :-) John posted *several* responses, one was directly
to 'Arlen'. Directly to his OP actually.

Trust me! My newsreader *does* show threads and *does* show parents! :-)

I have no experience with blocking/unblocking in TB and I didn't
see a way while quickly browsing the menus.


I'm using OE6 (hence my knowledge about it), and even I only recently came
to know how to do it (though it was simple in retrospect - you just have to
make a rule first).


Yes, that's what I thought. I've been making rules for *email* since
OE1, but never used OE/WM/WLM/TB for news, because I have a (for me)
better newsreader.

FWIW, in my CUI newsreader 'tin', 'go to parent' overrides
any 'killing', so the newsreader will show the article, even if it
was 'killed' earlier.


FWI, if you block a sender in OE his posts will not even be stored in the
message database. No overriding possible. It even asks if you want to
delete all the senders past messages too. And yes, I do like the "hide
messages of blocked posters" better - for the reason of being able to keep
track of a full thread tree and/or being able to (temporarily) unblock a
person and thereby being able to read his past messages.


Thanks for the info.
  #29  
Old November 17th 18, 10:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

arlen michael holder wrote:
On 17 Nov 2018 20:03:16 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

FWIW, I'm still up for constructive participation in said thread, if
you manage to act like an adult.


Hi Frank,
I am a mirror.


Nope, you aren't! You're a dishonest, obnoxious, pompous creep.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: *Nobody* is buying your
'justification' for your MO, such as the crap below, which I'm about to
snip.

You've repeatedly been asked to come up with at least *one* poster who
*does* buy your justification. You never delivered. Why is that!?

So cut the crap, refrain from posting your crap justifications and
don't just *say* you act like an adult, but actually *do* act like one.

You've got only *one* chance. Don't blow it.

[Crap deleted.]
  #30  
Old November 18th 18, 04:41 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
arlen michael holder
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Default [OT] How (not) to show parent of current article.

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 10:53:03 -0500, Paul wrote:

When a message hasn't yet shown up on a server
for some reason, Howard is my backup system.


Howard Knight is good.

Google is always fast nowadays (it used to not be that way in the past).

But Google is only good for the newsgroups they archive, e.g.,
http://tinyurl.com/windowsxp-general

The "Narkive" is slow, where it takes a day or two to show up:
http://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com
http://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.narkive.com

The PC Banter site is even worse than that...
http://tinyurl.com/alt-windows7-general
 




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