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BillW50 wrote:
On 2/22/2014 4:25 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
But since (as expected) fans of WP are true believers, it does not
suffice to say that, so I will now bow out of this subthread, rather
than continuing to address deaf ears.

You are kidding? There are still people using that dinosaur? What OS are
they running it under, Win 3.1? That is where my WP lives and I say good
riddance.


For the knowledgeable...Google's your friend
http://goo.gl/aMRxqe


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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 2014-02-22 5:27 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/22/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:43:55 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 2/21/2014 7:31 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 2/21/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:36:55 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:
On 2/21/14 8:03 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:56:58 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:


This is how Microsoft got people to switch
over to MS Word from WordPerfect in the olden days -- they just
made Word act exactly like WordPerfect, right down to its
function keys.


As far as I'm concerned Word has never acted like WordPerfect.
WordPerfect took a back seat to Word when WordPerfect 6 was
released; it was a very buggy release and people left it in droves.

Actually, in the older Word versions, there were settings
available to make it mimic at least some of Word Perfect's
operations.


Available? Yes. But available isn't the same as "made Word act
exactly like WordPerfect."

And that wasn't the reason people moved from WordPerfect to Word.

I know why I moved to Word.

Back in DOS days I used WordPerfect.

At work I was required to use Word 4.0 (I believe that was the
version).

Almost the same day I started using Word at work, I bought it for
myself to use at home, and never looked back.


We are very different in that respect. I did, and still do, think
WordPerfect is much better than Word.


Apparently he has never tried to resolve a formatting problem in MS
Word. It is quite easy to do using WordPerfect's reveal codes.

Today WordPerfect is equal to MS Word, in most respects. Headers,
Footers, footnote, outline, and most other aspects.



Equal? I think it's better. And it always has been.


I bought WordPerfect so I would have a high quality word processor,
and found that I am using Quattro Pro as much as I am the
WordPerfect. So far I have never had a need for Presentation, the
Power Point equivalent.



But I think Excel is much better than Quattro Pro and PowerPoint much
better than Presentations. WordPerfect itself is the only program I
use in the WordPerfect suite.

Are you saying that you choose what works best for you?

Radical idea! Great idea...

That's insane. I only choose programs that really frustrate me but
everyone else says are good.

Is that you Chuck er ah Steve?

OldGuy wrote:

Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the
Opera window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to
do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords.
It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager
belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)? Should I not fix the
Seamonkey eMail account Settings?
I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers
have it there. What am I missing?

What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird?

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

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proper manners

Very few. Ya know ahh, ahhh I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got
fired the first day on the job for potty mouth,

Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to
help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily
all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take everything out
of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick of ram.
Subscriber asks will that ****in' work? I guaranDAMtee it. Ok get the next
sucker on the phone.

I'm not Sam Hong but we both hate Roxio. Sam Hong pulled Roxio's Dong!

There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE,
which one are you?

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!)

All hail Chuckcar the CZAR!! Or in F-R-O-Gland Chuckcar laFROG laCZAR,
ChuckZar!!

I hate them both, With useless bogus bull**** you need at least *three*
fulltime jobs to afford either one of them

I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world
downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a
month

VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat
and out your arse sir?

The only "fix" for the CellPig modem is a sledgehammer.

UBB = User based bullFROGGING

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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3-o_dPhbGI)

Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man

Always do incremental backups of your data or you'll end up like the A To
Z(Zee)-Holes at DSL Reports. Justin says i made a boo-boo. Yeah boo-who.

Updates are for idiots. As long as the thing works there's no reason to
turn
schizophrenic and develop a lifelong complex over such a silly issue.

You don't have to be "stink-bottomed" to post on this newsgroup

Anyone who disagrees with me gets FROG tape over their yapper

Adrian "jackpot" Lewis is a mama's boy!

Jimmy Fricke is good for the game of poker

Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
beyond the realm of understandability

Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday

This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet

On 2/23/2014, Adam Kubias posted:
On 2014-02-22 5:27 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/22/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:43:55 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 2/21/2014 7:31 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 2/21/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:36:55 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:
On 2/21/14 8:03 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:56:58 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:


This is how Microsoft got people to switch
over to MS Word from WordPerfect in the olden days -- they
just
made Word act exactly like WordPerfect, right down to its
function keys.


As far as I'm concerned Word has never acted like
WordPerfect.
WordPerfect took a back seat to Word when WordPerfect 6 was
released; it was a very buggy release and people left it in
droves.

Actually, in the older Word versions, there were settings
available to make it mimic at least some of Word Perfect's
operations.


Available? Yes. But available isn't the same as "made Word act
exactly like WordPerfect."

And that wasn't the reason people moved from WordPerfect to
Word.

I know why I moved to Word.

Back in DOS days I used WordPerfect.

At work I was required to use Word 4.0 (I believe that was the
version).

Almost the same day I started using Word at work, I bought it
for
myself to use at home, and never looked back.


We are very different in that respect. I did, and still do,
think
WordPerfect is much better than Word.


Apparently he has never tried to resolve a formatting problem in
MS
Word. It is quite easy to do using WordPerfect's reveal codes.

Today WordPerfect is equal to MS Word, in most respects. Headers,
Footers, footnote, outline, and most other aspects.



Equal? I think it's better. And it always has been.


I bought WordPerfect so I would have a high quality word
processor,
and found that I am using Quattro Pro as much as I am the
WordPerfect. So far I have never had a need for Presentation,
the
Power Point equivalent.



But I think Excel is much better than Quattro Pro and PowerPoint
much
better than Presentations. WordPerfect itself is the only program
I
use in the WordPerfect suite.

Are you saying that you choose what works best for you?

Radical idea! Great idea...

That's insane. I only choose programs that really frustrate me but
everyone else says are good.

That's good. I will take my inspiration from you :-)

Kidding aside, some degree of that seems to be unavoidable. I can't
seem to find any product in any domain (software, photography,
automotive, etc, ad infinitum) that doesn't have some degree of
frustration built in.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 2/23/14 4:13 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/23/2014, Adam Kubias posted:
On 2014-02-22 5:27 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/22/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:43:55 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 2/21/2014 7:31 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 2/21/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:36:55 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:
On 2/21/14 8:03 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:56:58 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

snip

Kidding aside, some degree of that seems to be unavoidable. I can't
seem to find any product in any domain (software, photography,
automotive, etc, ad infinitum) that doesn't have some degree of
frustration built in.

Might not be so bad if there were decent manuals/help files available
for software.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 24.0

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:13:57 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 2/23/2014, Adam Kubias posted:
On 2014-02-22 5:27 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/22/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:43:55 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 2/21/2014 7:31 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 2/21/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:36:55 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:
On 2/21/14 8:03 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:56:58 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:


This is how Microsoft got people to switch
over to MS Word from WordPerfect in the olden days -- they
just
made Word act exactly like WordPerfect, right down to its
function keys.


As far as I'm concerned Word has never acted like
WordPerfect.
WordPerfect took a back seat to Word when WordPerfect 6 was
released; it was a very buggy release and people left it in
droves.

Actually, in the older Word versions, there were settings
available to make it mimic at least some of Word Perfect's
operations.


Available? Yes. But available isn't the same as "made Word act
exactly like WordPerfect."

And that wasn't the reason people moved from WordPerfect to
Word.

I know why I moved to Word.

Back in DOS days I used WordPerfect.

At work I was required to use Word 4.0 (I believe that was the
version).

Almost the same day I started using Word at work, I bought it
for
myself to use at home, and never looked back.


We are very different in that respect. I did, and still do,
think
WordPerfect is much better than Word.


Apparently he has never tried to resolve a formatting problem in
MS
Word. It is quite easy to do using WordPerfect's reveal codes.

Today WordPerfect is equal to MS Word, in most respects. Headers,
Footers, footnote, outline, and most other aspects.



Equal? I think it's better. And it always has been.


I bought WordPerfect so I would have a high quality word
processor,
and found that I am using Quattro Pro as much as I am the
WordPerfect. So far I have never had a need for Presentation,
the
Power Point equivalent.



But I think Excel is much better than Quattro Pro and PowerPoint
much
better than Presentations. WordPerfect itself is the only program
I
use in the WordPerfect suite.

Are you saying that you choose what works best for you?

Radical idea! Great idea...

That's insane. I only choose programs that really frustrate me but
everyone else says are good.

That's good. I will take my inspiration from you :-)

Kidding aside, some degree of that seems to be unavoidable. I can't
seem to find any product in any domain (software,


software


photography


photoware


automotive,


carware



etc,


etcware


ad infinitum)


adware?

On 2/24/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:13:57 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 2/23/2014, Adam Kubias posted:
On 2014-02-22 5:27 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/22/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:43:55 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:
On 2/21/2014 7:31 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 2/21/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:36:55 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:
On 2/21/14 8:03 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:56:58 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:


This is how Microsoft got people to switch
over to MS Word from WordPerfect in the olden days -- they
just
made Word act exactly like WordPerfect, right down to its
function keys.


As far as I'm concerned Word has never acted like
WordPerfect.
WordPerfect took a back seat to Word when WordPerfect 6 was
released; it was a very buggy release and people left it in
droves.

Actually, in the older Word versions, there were settings
available to make it mimic at least some of Word Perfect's
operations.


Available? Yes. But available isn't the same as "made Word
act exactly like WordPerfect."
And that wasn't the reason people moved from WordPerfect to
Word.

I know why I moved to Word.

Back in DOS days I used WordPerfect.

At work I was required to use Word 4.0 (I believe that was the
version).

Almost the same day I started using Word at work, I bought it
for
myself to use at home, and never looked back.


We are very different in that respect. I did, and still do,
think
WordPerfect is much better than Word.


Apparently he has never tried to resolve a formatting problem in
MS
Word. It is quite easy to do using WordPerfect's reveal codes.

Today WordPerfect is equal to MS Word, in most respects.
Headers, Footers, footnote, outline, and most other aspects.



Equal? I think it's better. And it always has been.


I bought WordPerfect so I would have a high quality word
processor,
and found that I am using Quattro Pro as much as I am the
WordPerfect. So far I have never had a need for Presentation,
the
Power Point equivalent.



But I think Excel is much better than Quattro Pro and PowerPoint
much
better than Presentations. WordPerfect itself is the only
program I
use in the WordPerfect suite.

Are you saying that you choose what works best for you?

Radical idea! Great idea...

That's insane. I only choose programs that really frustrate me but
everyone else says are good.

That's good. I will take my inspiration from you :-)

Kidding aside, some degree of that seems to be unavoidable. I can't
seem to find any product in any domain (software,

software

photography

photoware

automotive,

carware

etc,

etcware

ad infinitum)

adware?

That manages to make good sense!

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In article , lid
says...

On 2/24/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:13:57 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 2/23/2014, Adam Kubias posted:
On 2014-02-22 5:27 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/22/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:43:55 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:
On 2/21/2014 7:31 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 2/21/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:36:55 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:
On 2/21/14 8:03 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:56:58 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:


This is how Microsoft got people to switch
over to MS Word from WordPerfect in the olden days -- they
just
made Word act exactly like WordPerfect, right down to its
function keys.


As far as I'm concerned Word has never acted like
WordPerfect.
WordPerfect took a back seat to Word when WordPerfect 6 was
released; it was a very buggy release and people left it in
droves.

Actually, in the older Word versions, there were settings
available to make it mimic at least some of Word Perfect's
operations.


Available? Yes. But available isn't the same as "made Word
act exactly like WordPerfect."
And that wasn't the reason people moved from WordPerfect to
Word.

I know why I moved to Word.

Back in DOS days I used WordPerfect.

At work I was required to use Word 4.0 (I believe that was the

Jumping in late here but used to use Wordperfect originally and switched
to Word way back in DOS days before Windows 2 even was released.

Why you ask? 1 reason stands out. In Wordperfect you'd ask for help and
it'd say push a key and I'll tell you what it does. In Word help was
tell me what you want to do and I'll tell you the keys to push. Which to
you makes more sense when you want help to do something specific.

I can remember specifically being able to ask for help in Word to merge
some mass mailing thingie where address and people changed each copy of
printout. I did it on the fly using Word's help. Wordperfect would have
required reading way to much manual etc. etc. that I doubt I would have
even bothered if that was only option.

BTW - anyone remember name of word processer was popular just before
these two appeared, e.g. had to use Ctrl-K and things like that for
formatting.

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 15:59:11 -0400, pjp
wrote:


BTW - anyone remember name of word processer was popular just before
these two appeared, e.g. had to use Ctrl-K and things like that for
formatting.


Do you mean Wordstar? That was the first word processor I used, and I
hated it.

"pjp" wrote in message
...
BTW - anyone remember name of word processer was popular just before
these two appeared, e.g. had to use Ctrl-K and things like that for
formatting.

Yes, it is called WordStar and I still use it on occasion today.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 15:59:11 -0400, pjp
wrote:

BTW - anyone remember name of word processer was popular just before
these two appeared, e.g. had to use Ctrl-K and things like that for
formatting.

Do you mean Wordstar? That was the first word processor I used, and I
hated it.

I too hated it! Although my friend said just stick it out and I said ok.
I still hated for weeks, but I still used it everyday. Then I started to
learn about all of the amazing things you could do with it. Then a bit
later, it wasn't even hard to use anymore and everything just made so
much sense. Also you could fly on that thing because your fingers stayed
on the home row. Plus if you were a programmer, it was a dream come
true, as it had non-document mode. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On 15/02/2014 10:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:
I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

BTW, I might have a solution to the Thunderbird freezes that some of us
experience, but not others. It may have something to do with antivirus
scanning. I'd suggest excluding the entire directory from being scanned
in which Thunderbird's databases exists, usually %appdata%\Thunderbird,
inside your antivirus software.

Yousuf Khan

In ,
Yousuf Khan typed:
On 15/02/2014 10:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:
I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release
for user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it
wants to do. Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is
happening or do other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

BTW, I might have a solution to the Thunderbird freezes that some of
us experience, but not others. It may have something to do with
antivirus scanning. I'd suggest excluding the entire directory from
being scanned in which Thunderbird's databases exists, usually
%appdata%\Thunderbird, inside your antivirus software.

I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield isn't
installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds freezes
whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic get messages
and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message ...

On 15/02/2014 10:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:
I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

BTW, I might have a solution to the Thunderbird freezes that some of us
experience, but not others. It may have something to do with antivirus
scanning. I'd suggest excluding the entire directory from being scanned
in which Thunderbird's databases exists, usually %appdata%\Thunderbird,
inside your antivirus software.

Would it affect Firefox as well?
--
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Wikipedia Supporter
GNU/Linux users are parasites.

BillW50 has written on 2/28/2014 5:03 PM:

I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield isn't
installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds freezes
whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic get messages
and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

Perhaps you are pulling messages from a large number of accounts
simultaneously???