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  #46  
Old July 7th 14, 03:04 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
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"John Doe" wrote in message
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"One of [the bullies I went to high school with joined the police
force and] became the subject of a huge investigation by the
Mollen Commission"

That's a good thing, isn't it? Isn't that called "justice served".

Backtracking and babbling...

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"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:


No, it's not a good thing - he never should have been hired in the first
place.



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  #47  
Old July 7th 14, 04:29 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

In article ,
says...

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
"One of [the bullies I went to high school with joined the police
force and] became the subject of a huge investigation by the
Mollen Commission"

That's a good thing, isn't it? Isn't that called "justice served".

Backtracking and babbling...

--
"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:


No, it's not a good thing - he never should have been hired in the first
place.


It's my experience the criteria for hiring police officers is flawed.
There's just too many that take a dictatorial stance with an aggressive
attitude, treating one as if they're nothing but "I own your ass"
immediately upon deciding to stop someone for any reason or what's more
likely simply because "they felt like it" with no valid reason.

There's something wrong with anyone who puts on a weapon every day with
full intention of using it if and when they feel it necessary. When they
finally do, I think of it as murder. The fact so called extenuating
circumstances "justifies" it so society doesn't charge them with a crime
doesn't change that.

Not much different than the military. Again just another bunch of people
will willingly murder others. What makes it so much worse is that both
do it for nothing more than money. Don't waste your breath telling me
it's "love of country" or "doing society a service".

I cry for neither.
  #48  
Old July 7th 14, 05:14 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

If you want to whine about police officers, I suggest YouTube.
You'll be with jillions of other whiners.

At least here in the United States... The police are the first in
a series of law enforcement. When you are stopped, you must
respect the fact that the officer has power over you. You can
disagree, but the officer has the last word in that circumstance.
You can appeal to a higher power, but only after the officer is
finished with you. It's similar to being in a courtroom.

And yes of course they make mistakes and yes some of them play
dirty. But that's the way it is.

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In article lpe9ct$t7t$2 speranza.aioe.org, ntotrr optonline.net
says...

"John Doe" always.look message.header wrote in message
news:lonae8$leq$2 dont-email.me...
"One of [the bullies I went to high school with joined the police
force and] became the subject of a huge investigation by the
Mollen Commission"

That's a good thing, isn't it? Isn't that called "justice served".

Backtracking and babbling...

--
"PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote:


No, it's not a good thing - he never should have been hired in the first
place.


It's my experience the criteria for hiring police officers is flawed.
There's just too many that take a dictatorial stance with an aggressive
attitude, treating one as if they're nothing but "I own your ass"
immediately upon deciding to stop someone for any reason or what's more
likely simply because "they felt like it" with no valid reason.

There's something wrong with anyone who puts on a weapon every day with
full intention of using it if and when they feel it necessary. When they
finally do, I think of it as murder. The fact so called extenuating
circumstances "justifies" it so society doesn't charge them with a crime
doesn't change that.

Not much different than the military. Again just another bunch of people
will willingly murder others. What makes it so much worse is that both
do it for nothing more than money. Don't waste your breath telling me
it's "love of country" or "doing society a service".

I cry for neither.



  #49  
Old July 7th 14, 11:17 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,free.usenet,free.spirit
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:14:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:

If you want to whine about police officers, I suggest YouTube.
You'll be with jillions of other whiners.


OMG. I didn't realize the problem was that widespread. Youtube
makes it quite clear. Literally millions of complaints about police
brutality. I'm so old I can remember when the police protected the
average citizen, and not just the guys financing the lobbies.
Thanks for the eye-opener.
Best of luck at keeping alive.
[]'s
--
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
  #50  
Old July 7th 14, 11:56 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

You will also notice on YouTube that everybody is gung ho for the
state putting an end to so-called domestic violence. You can't
have one without the other. The reason the state is getting fatter
and uglier is because you are asking it to run every part of our
lives.

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:14:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look message.header wrote:

If you want to whine about police officers, I suggest YouTube.
You'll be with jillions of other whiners.


OMG. I didn't realize the problem was that widespread. Youtube
makes it quite clear. Literally millions of complaints about police
brutality. I'm so old I can remember when the police protected the
average citizen, and not just the guys financing the lobbies.
Thanks for the eye-opener.
Best of luck at keeping alive.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012


  #51  
Old July 8th 14, 05:27 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
PAS
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
You will also notice on YouTube that everybody is gung ho for the
state putting an end to so-called domestic violence. You can't
have one without the other. The reason the state is getting fatter
and uglier is because you are asking it to run every part of our
lives.


Not all of us. I abhor the ever-growing power of our government. I don't
want the government running every part of my life but much of it is intent
on doing just that. Our federal government has become a power-mad monster,
having grabbed far more power than what the Constitution allows. The bottom
line is that we've allowed it by sitting back and letting the monster grow
and sending the same career politicians to office at each election.

Police departments have changed over the years like our government has.
They seek more control over us like the government does. They are becoming
more and more militarized. They don't want to be accountable to the
citizens they claim to serve.

The majority of cops are good ones, like in any other profession. But the
bad ones cause a lot of damage and it's SOP that departments cover for their
actions. Without people having video recording at their fingertips via
their cellphones and posting it on the internet, cops can continue to abuse
citizens and get away with it. They shouldn't fear citizens exercising
their right to record them unless they doing something wrong. As trite as
it may sound, they our servants to the citizens, not the masters over the
citizens. We should not be treated as suspects all the time.



  #52  
Old July 8th 14, 06:25 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
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Per PAS:
Police departments have changed over the years like our government has.
They seek more control over us like the government does. They are becoming
more and more militarized.


To me, it seems like militarization of the police is an undesirable
trend.

Without singling out police I would observe that, for most normal adult
men, having equipment begs them to use it.... like kids with toys. At
least that's the way it is with Yours Truly.

I just read a sensational-sounding statistic on the use of SWAT teams.
Something like 124 strikes per day across the USA and only 7 percent of
them under the circumstances SWAT teams were envisioned for. "Use it
or lose it..."?

"Sounding" because I have no clue as to it's accuracy... but it seems
plausible in the context of what I see on the news.

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  #53  
Old July 8th 14, 06:34 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
pjp[_9_]
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

In article ,
says...

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
You will also notice on YouTube that everybody is gung ho for the
state putting an end to so-called domestic violence. You can't
have one without the other. The reason the state is getting fatter
and uglier is because you are asking it to run every part of our
lives.


Not all of us. I abhor the ever-growing power of our government. I don't
want the government running every part of my life but much of it is intent
on doing just that. Our federal government has become a power-mad monster,
having grabbed far more power than what the Constitution allows. The bottom
line is that we've allowed it by sitting back and letting the monster grow
and sending the same career politicians to office at each election.

Police departments have changed over the years like our government has.
They seek more control over us like the government does. They are becoming
more and more militarized. They don't want to be accountable to the
citizens they claim to serve.

The majority of cops are good ones, like in any other profession. But the
bad ones cause a lot of damage and it's SOP that departments cover for their
actions. Without people having video recording at their fingertips via
their cellphones and posting it on the internet, cops can continue to abuse
citizens and get away with it. They shouldn't fear citizens exercising
their right to record them unless they doing something wrong. As trite as
it may sound, they our servants to the citizens, not the masters over the
citizens. We should not be treated as suspects all the time.


EXACTLY

I'm in 60's. When young I had respect for the police, they were "my
friend" that I could go to for help.

Late 60's living on street. In restaurant drinking cup of coffee I'd
just bought. Two off-duty cops acting as bouncers, without asking me to
leave just picked me up and threw me out the "in door" ending with a
face plant on concrete sidewalk outside. Owner of restaurant didn't like
"long hairs". I'm all of maybe 150lb at time and both of them 6'++ 225+
lbs.

I walked down to police station and walked in to front desk with blood
dripping off me. Told officer what happened while number of others
listened. They started laughing, said derogatory comments and made it
clear they couldn't care less. As I write I can still hear them laughing
as I was forced to walk out with no other option. That wasn't just one
but showed me a gang mentality.

That's what cops are for me, just another gang. They have always been
and likely always will be since. I cry for none of them (only for who
they leave behind hurting), even the three in New Brusnwick little while
ago. They put on a weapon and are prepared to use it on another human
being. That makes them no better than a animal for me.
  #54  
Old July 8th 14, 07:12 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general
PAS
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Default OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
...
Per PAS:
Police departments have changed over the years like our government has.
They seek more control over us like the government does. They are
becoming
more and more militarized.


To me, it seems like militarization of the police is an undesirable
trend.

Without singling out police I would observe that, for most normal adult
men, having equipment begs them to use it.... like kids with toys. At
least that's the way it is with Yours Truly.


http://www.salon.com/2013/07/13/radl...t _to_use_it/

I just read a sensational-sounding statistic on the use of SWAT teams.
Something like 124 strikes per day across the USA and only 7 percent of
them under the circumstances SWAT teams were envisioned for. "Use it
or lose it..."?

"Sounding" because I have no clue as to it's accuracy... but it seems
plausible in the context of what I see on the news.


I watched a video of a former police officer in Louisiana who was a member
of the SWAT team. He left the force because he did not agree with how the
SWAT team was being used. He noted that the federal government provided
grants for each instance the department used the SWAT team. There is a
financial incentive to use them.


  #55  
Old July 9th 14, 05:08 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Even if what it's saying actually happened (anecdotes are
worthless without at least hearing the other side of the story),
this "pjp" is missing the point/problem. It's a systemic thing.
It's not that cops are different than the rest of us. In a prior
political office, Senator Amy Klobuchar prides herself on
introducing local legislation that requires police officers to
arrest someone in a domestic violence call. Naturally that's going
to be the man. Easy to figure that most police officers know what
they're doing is wrong, that's why they don't want to get
involved. It's not their fault when they're being forced to do
dirty work.

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In article lph65a$209$1 speranza.aioe.org, ntotrr optonline.net
says...

"John Doe" always.look message.header wrote in message
news:lpf8jp$1a4$1 dont-email.me...
You will also notice on YouTube that everybody is gung ho for the
state putting an end to so-called domestic violence. You can't
have one without the other. The reason the state is getting fatter
and uglier is because you are asking it to run every part of our
lives.


Not all of us. I abhor the ever-growing power of our government. I don't
want the government running every part of my life but much of it is intent
on doing just that. Our federal government has become a power-mad monster,
having grabbed far more power than what the Constitution allows. The bottom
line is that we've allowed it by sitting back and letting the monster grow
and sending the same career politicians to office at each election.

Police departments have changed over the years like our government has.
They seek more control over us like the government does. They are becoming
more and more militarized. They don't want to be accountable to the
citizens they claim to serve.

The majority of cops are good ones, like in any other profession. But the
bad ones cause a lot of damage and it's SOP that departments cover for their
actions. Without people having video recording at their fingertips via
their cellphones and posting it on the internet, cops can continue to abuse
citizens and get away with it. They shouldn't fear citizens exercising
their right to record them unless they doing something wrong. As trite as
it may sound, they our servants to the citizens, not the masters over the
citizens. We should not be treated as suspects all the time.


EXACTLY

I'm in 60's. When young I had respect for the police, they were "my
friend" that I could go to for help.

Late 60's living on street. In restaurant drinking cup of coffee I'd
just bought. Two off-duty cops acting as bouncers, without asking me to
leave just picked me up and threw me out the "in door" ending with a
face plant on concrete sidewalk outside. Owner of restaurant didn't like
"long hairs". I'm all of maybe 150lb at time and both of them 6'++ 225+
lbs.

I walked down to police station and walked in to front desk with blood
dripping off me. Told officer what happened while number of others
listened. They started laughing, said derogatory comments and made it
clear they couldn't care less. As I write I can still hear them laughing
as I was forced to walk out with no other option. That wasn't just one
but showed me a gang mentality.

That's what cops are for me, just another gang. They have always been
and likely always will be since. I cry for none of them (only for who
they leave behind hurting), even the three in New Brusnwick little while
ago. They put on a weapon and are prepared to use it on another human
being. That makes them no better than a animal for me.



 




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