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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
I have a Dell Dimension 8200(Seagate Barracuda 7200 160Gb Hd)
with XP, SP3, Spywareblaster, CcCleaner, Avast and Windows firewall. I have a recent log-on on problem; the last 3 times when the computer logs on I get a red shield and a message that my computer may be at risk. When I check, my firewall is turned off then it automatically resets itself and it's back to normal. Thoughts/ Suggestions? Thanks, Robert |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
OK, I need to re-state the computer problem; when
I logon everything is fine but when I click Firefox to logon the internet that's when I get the message that my computer might be at risk and the firewall turns off/on. Robert |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
In answer to Paul's question there is no network icon.
Also, I went to check my firewall settings under Control Panel and Firefox is not listed under the exceptions tab. Thoughts/Suggestions, Robert |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
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In answer to Paul's question there is no network icon. Also, I went to check my firewall settings under Control Panel and Firefox is not listed under the exceptions tab. Thoughts/Suggestions, Robert It doesn't sound like this one, covers enough causes. http://support.microsoft.com/mats/wi...agnostic/en-us I know little to nothing about the firewall, and we need someone else to throw in some comments. 1) A third-party firewall can disable the built-in Firewall (unlikely). 2) AV software can meddle with the running state of the firewall. Such as quarantine a file that should not be quarantined. 3) Malware can change the firewall. The above diagnostic only considers the "tame" things, such as the service not being in the right state or whatever. Or the rules needing to be reset to defaults, so stuff like browsers can be made to work again. ******* If it was me, about the only thing I could do at this point (while waiting for more suggestions), is to check the Event Viewer. That's the control panel under Administrative Tools. See if the Firewall is leaving any informative messages. If we had an error number, things might go a bit faster. I tried looking through my own Event Viewer, by using the Action to Save As a text file, and using Notepad, I can't see anything in the various logs that is Firewall related. So mine didn't leave any traces to work with. Paul |
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Hello Paul, I tried running the link but it said I do not have the correct permission to run the program even though I entered my admin. password. I checked the event viewer and this is what it gave me: Summary of administrative events Event Type Last Hour 24 hours 7 days critical 0 0 0 error 188 7,274 27,639 warning 2 9 117 information 983 33,164 70,586 Under Log Summary I found these were disabled. Cisco-EAP-FAST/Debug Cisco-EAP-LEAP/Debug Cisco-EAP-PEAP/Debug Forwarded Events Microsoft-Windows-Application Server-Applications/Admin Microsoft-Windows-Application Server-Applications/Operational Microsoft-Windows-Biometrics/operational Microsoft-Windows-Bits-client/analytic Microsoft-Windows-CertificateServicesClient-CredentialRoaming/Operational CertPolEng/Operation log Microsoft Windows-DHCP ClientEvents\Operational Microsoft Windows-DHCPNap/Admin Microsoft Windows-DHCPNap/Operational Microsoft Windows-DHCP Client Events/Operational Microsoft Windows-DisplayColorCaliabration/operational Microsoft Windows-DNS Client Events/Operationa Microsoft Windows-HttpService/Http Service Channel Microsoft Windows-MSPaint/Admin Microsoft Windows-NDIs/Operational Microsoft Windows-PrintService/Operational IdentityLister/Operation log Microsoft Windows-Service Reporting API/Debug Microsoft Windows- StickyNotes/Admin Microsoft Windows-TaskScheduler/Operational NDF/Diagnostic Microsoft Windows-Windows Firewall with Advance Security/FirewallVerbose Microsoft Windows-WindowsColorSystem/Operational Microsoft Windows-Winscok Network Event/Operational Microsoft Windows Thoughts/Suggestions Robert |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
sorry Paul, I did this on my 8500 without thinking, I'll have to redo it for the 8200, sorry. Robert |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
Hello Paul,
I went back to the 8200 event Viewer and this is what I found: Under Application: There are (2) errors (no number) for Application Hang There are (3) errors (no number) for Windows Search Service There are (3) errors for .Net Runtime Optimization Service and a fair number of yellow triangles with exclamation point) under system There are (15) errors (no number) for Dhcp There are (103) errors (no number) for Windows Service Control Manager there are (3) errors (no number)for DCOM Robert |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:20:13 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Hello Paul, I went back to the 8200 event Viewer and this is what I found: Under Application: There are (2) errors (no number) for Application Hang There are (3) errors (no number) for Windows Search Service There are (3) errors for .Net Runtime Optimization Service and a fair number of yellow triangles with exclamation point) under system There are (15) errors (no number) for Dhcp There are (103) errors (no number) for Windows Service Control Manager there are (3) errors (no number)for DCOM Robert Paul, Since there are no error numbers to go by is it possible that this will resolve itself with the next update? The only program I added recently was CcCleaner. Thoughts/suggestions, Robert |
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On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:20:13 PM UTC-8, wrote: Hello Paul, I went back to the 8200 event Viewer and this is what I found: Under Application: There are (2) errors (no number) for Application Hang There are (3) errors (no number) for Windows Search Service There are (3) errors for .Net Runtime Optimization Service and a fair number of yellow triangles with exclamation point) under system There are (15) errors (no number) for Dhcp There are (103) errors (no number) for Windows Service Control Manager there are (3) errors (no number)for DCOM Robert Paul, Since there are no error numbers to go by is it possible that this will resolve itself with the next update? The only program I added recently was CcCleaner. Thoughts/suggestions, Robert Googling shows, CCleaner had problems with Firewalls, around 2009. But this is four years later, so those problems would be fixed. One thread I read, suggested going to the Firewall Control Panel. If you can't find it, try Start : Run : firewall.cpl The Advanced tab on the right, has at the bottom, a "Default Settings" area. To the right is a "Restore Defaults", which I presume, puts the allow and deny rules back to what they were in the beginning. If you had done any customizations, those would be lost. ******* In Command Prompt... http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...4-467d3945930a Netsh firewall reset firewall.cpl (then click to turn it on) The "netsh firewall" has a bunch of things it can do, like add rules to the firewall. The examples on the left side of the items here, show the syntax for WinXP. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947709 And this page says essentially, all that the "reset" does, is the same as the "Restore Defaults" button. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...spx#bkmk_reset As I read it, "Netsh firewall reset" won't do anything more than the button in the Firewall control panel. ******* In the same thread... http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...4-467d3945930a the reply by "GUARDIANG7" shows how to do the "nuclear option". I.e. Reinstall the firewall. I'm not convinced though, that the nuclear option will solve anything. My suspicion is, something else in your environment is doing this, and not the Microsoft firewall code itself. Malware can tip over the firewall, but I don't suspect malware in this case, because you report no other "interesting" symptoms. We already discussed the .NET code problem, and we don't think it's that either. What else is left ? You can try the GUARDIANG7 suggestion, if you do a backup first. As then, you can put your system back later, if there is trouble. If you're going to do your own maintenance on the computer (in the same way that I fumble around here), you need to at least become very fluent with some kind of backup/restore method. You can test your prowess with the backup/restore stuff, by making a fake data partition, and checking whether you can put it back or not. I.e. Pretend you had an accident, the fake data partition is deleted, and now you're relying on your restore software to put it back. Once you're more comfortable with doing that sort of thing (like a "fire drill"), you'll be better prepared for experiments like the GUARDIANG7 one. Confident you can put your C: back together, using a backup you made five minutes ago. One reason I keep my C: partition so small, is so I can run a backup quickly. It's only 20GB and takes maybe ten minutes to back up. And then I can "go nuts with the commands" :-) Paul |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
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... On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:20:13 PM UTC-8, wrote: Hello Paul, I went back to the 8200 event Viewer and this is what I found: Under Application: There are (2) errors (no number) for Application Hang There are (3) errors (no number) for Windows Search Service There are (3) errors for .Net Runtime Optimization Service and a fair number of yellow triangles with exclamation point) under system There are (15) errors (no number) for Dhcp There are (103) errors (no number) for Windows Service Control Manager there are (3) errors (no number)for DCOM Robert Paul, Since there are no error numbers to go by is it possible that this will resolve itself with the next update? The only program I added recently was CcCleaner. Thoughts/suggestions, Robert If you used the Registry cleaner part in CCleaner and saved the 'registries to be removed', restore them and see if it helps. If you didn't use the Registry cleaner in CCleaner, disregard. Always use the 'save' if you dare to use the Registry cleaner function. Many feel that cleaning the Registry is a waste of time and can cause serious problems CCleaner is an excellent program IMHO, but beware of the Registry cleaner part. -- Buffalo |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
I reset the firewall default settings
just to make sure but it did nothing. I then opened a command prompt and typed Netsh firewall reset and it came back with ok. Then typed firewall.cpl but the firewall was already connected. I can't do a backup because I have no backup software. The most I can do at this point is a System Restore. In fact, before all this started I was about to start a post on free back-up program recommendations(CNET)because I thought I had gotten the 8200 to the point where it was good to go. (sigh) Your getting over my head with making fake partitions etc. @Buffalo regarding CcCleaner I have not gone into the registry, nor plan to. Robert |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
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... I reset the firewall default settings just to make sure but it did nothing. I then opened a command prompt and typed Netsh firewall reset and it came back with ok. Then typed firewall.cpl but the firewall was already connected. I can't do a backup because I have no backup software. The most I can do at this point is a System Restore. In fact, before all this started I was about to start a post on free back-up program recommendations(CNET)because I thought I had gotten the 8200 to the point where it was good to go. (sigh) Your getting over my head with making fake partitions etc. @Buffalo regarding CcCleaner I have not gone into the registry, nor plan to. Robert Make sure you are only using one firewall, Windows or Avast. I am using Avast free, but I use the MS firewall and do not use the Avast firewall. Something I noticed is that when Avast does a Program (not just definitions), it sometimes changes your settings. -- Buffalo |
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O.T. - Temporary firewall problem at boot up:
Hello Paul,
I got to thinking, so I went back and uninstalled CcCleaner, then went to the firewall advanced tab and clicked to restore default settings and restarted the computer and the problem was gone!!! Robert |
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