Sending a word file via email, etc.

"micky" wrote

| Yes, it's the programs but two of the programs were Word and Edge or
| something similar, MS programs. But even if not MS, MS had standards
| to be allowed to use the Windows logo. I assumed putting the program
| name in the upper left corner was part of the standards and it wasn't it
| should have been and should be still. Because It's really a problem
| when I don't know what program I'm in.

It's a fad. Firefox is an example, with newer versions
making the title bar something you have to choose
to add. And of course most people will never understand
that.

The Title Bar is the official name for the stripe
on top by which you can drag a window, which has the
program name, usually the name of open files, plus the
minimize/maximize/close buttons. The title bar is the
part that the program is not supposed to mess with. It
is an MS standard. But it's not always followed. Even in
the 90s, some companies making things like AV or media
players would make program windows that were essentially
pictures. I think Real Player used to look like a boombox,
for example. (They're almost completely unusable by blind
people.) These days it's becoming far more common.
Companies are ignoring what software users expect.
Firefox looks sort of normal but actually it's all painted
onscreen dynamically. They're not using Windows window
components.

There are two main things driving the fad:

1) So many people now use cellphones to replace
computing tasks (especially geeks) that webpages
are designed with cellphones in mind and browsers
are designed to default to removing toolbars and
window frames or "chrome". The title bar and menu
are very useful on a monitor but on a phone screen
you only have 4 inches and they're taking up 1/2".
So the "hamburger menu" (3 parallel bars) has
replaced functional window items in both software
and webpages. Once something like that catches
on, people jump on the bandwagon. Mozilla people
will go on about how menus waste space, rather than
taking a sensible approach of allowing choice and
setting the default by device.
Firefox makes you search for and add the title
bar and menu bar. Chrome refuses to even give you
the option for a menu bar. Clicking a bookmark becomes
a multi-step operation, starting with that 3-bar icon
in the upper right.

2) There's a widespread, somewhat insidious trend
toward services. Apple have always treated their
customers like "consumers". Google is moving toward
that model. As is Win10. The distinction is most
easily made between consumers and creators. A
creator works with software to do things like writing
papers, editing photos, and driving the "information
superhighway". A consumer uses "apps" on a kiosk
device that they don't control. They only control
which consumer services they want to access. Waze,
Instagram, Uber, restaurant advisors, Facebook, and
so on.

Part of the success of those services lies in retraining
you to stop regarding your devices as tools. When you
enter your kitchen you should only see a convenient
screen to order supper. When you approach your frig
you should see only a convenient screen to order your
groceries. When you go down cellar to your workshop,
you should see only a convenient screen to order from
Google Home Repair or Microsoft Fixit. And that's not
exaggeration. The so-called smart home, full of unnecessary
service devices, is already becoming normal. There are
already friges with TV screens and thermostats
that call home. There are hackable door locks. Last
week a company released a study indicating that
New Yorkers are not gaining weight excessively during
lockdown. How do they know? Bathroom scales are
calling home!

Part of the "secret" to the success of all these services
that you don't want is to make them easier and to
make it more difficult to do things for yourself. Once
everyone is used to kiosk devices, like ATMs, it won't
even occur to you to choose what can be done on
that device. Notice that most people no longer even
understand a URL. They just start typing what they want
and the screen changes to let them order it on Amazon.
Google even want to change Internet protocols. Those
companies want to eliminate the public aspect of the
Internet.

Despite that computers have given us vast possibilities
to do things, virutally every task has been hijacked by
a spyware tech company and sold back to us. Office 365.
Adobe Photoshop. Google Docs. Facebook to talk to friends.
Zoom or Skype to video-chat. Gmail for email. Just about
everything you might want to do is controlled by a commercial
entity and you pay them.

California is even collecting
cellphone tracking data to see where people have been during
coronavirus lockdown. The kicker is that they claim they're
respecting your privacy because they're allegedly not
buying the data from phone carriers. They're
buying it from spyware ad companies on your phone!
They figure you won't mind that! People have been trained
to accept that carrying a tracking collar, being tracked by
numerous commercial entities, with no choice in the matter,
is normal. The shopping mall has moved into your pocket
and house. You're under constant surveillance. So stop
worrying about nonsense like title bars. Just tell us what
you want to buy.

On 14/05/2020 08:24, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 May 2020 07:59:45 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/13/2020 7:43 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 5/12/2020 11:45 AM, micky wrote:

4) And finally, why did they stop putting the name of the program you're
in in the upper left corner of the screen? It is so annoying to get on
my brother's computer by Team Viewer and not know what programs he's
using. They move Help/About too, so I can't find out that way. What's
wrong with those people? Even on my own computer, when some webbrowser
stawrts on its own, I don't know which one it is!


They? If by "they," you mean Microsoft, it has nothing to do with
Microsoft. It's the particular that does or doesn't do this.



Sorry, I omitted a word - "...particular *program* that does or doesn't
do this."

Yes, it's the programs but two of the programs were Word and Edge or
something similar, MS programs. But even if not MS, MS had standards
to be allowed to use the Windows logo. I assumed putting the program
name in the upper left corner was part of the standards and it wasn't it
should have been and should be still. Because It's really a problem
when I don't know what program I'm in.

Problem is they moved a whole bunch of buttons (save, print, etc) onto
the title bar that there isn't the room to put useful information on
there anymore...

On 5/13/2020 7:52 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 May 2020 18:31:28 +0100, Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2020 09:18:55 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/13/2020 8:19 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2020 07:56:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?

The recipient in this case knows it's coming and actually asked for it.


An attachment can be infected even if the sender didn't mean to send an
infection. If the sender is infected without realizing it, and sends an
attachment, the attachment is likely to be infected.


I have a copy of Malware Bytes set to check anything I open or send.
That includes any attachments that I receive or send. I've never known
any malware to get through the checks. It costs a bit but I think it's
worth it.


It's good to use such a program to check, but be aware that no such
program is perfect.

True but, in my experience, Malware Bytes is over the top and it
occasionally stops attachments that I want to receive.

Is there a way to get a stopped attachment anyhow?

I used to MalwareBytes for occasional scans, for free, but now they
charge after 30 days.



No, not correct. There's a paid version and a free version.


--
Ken

On 5/14/2020 6:08 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"micky" wrote

| Yes, it's the programs but two of the programs were Word and Edge or
| something similar, MS programs. But even if not MS, MS had standards
| to be allowed to use the Windows logo. I assumed putting the program
| name in the upper left corner was part of the standards and it wasn't it
| should have been and should be still. Because It's really a problem
| when I don't know what program I'm in.

It's a fad. Firefox is an example, with newer versions
making the title bar something you have to choose
to add. And of course most people will never understand
that.


Even if you choose to add the title bar, FireFox displays the name of
the currently open tab, followed by the name of the program, FireFox. I
would greatly prefer the name "FireFox" first, followed by the tab name.
Or even better, leave out the tab name.

--
Ken

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 14 May 2020 07:57:27 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/13/2020 7:52 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 May 2020 18:31:28 +0100, Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2020 09:18:55 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/13/2020 8:19 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2020 07:56:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:


With rare exceptions (a few people I know and trust implicitly, both
with regard to their intentions and their technical skills) I don't open
e-mail attachments. Opening attachments is not practicing safe hex. Who
knows what malware may lurk inside those attachments?

The recipient in this case knows it's coming and actually asked for it.


An attachment can be infected even if the sender didn't mean to send an
infection. If the sender is infected without realizing it, and sends an
attachment, the attachment is likely to be infected.


I have a copy of Malware Bytes set to check anything I open or send.
That includes any attachments that I receive or send. I've never known
any malware to get through the checks. It costs a bit but I think it's
worth it.


It's good to use such a program to check, but be aware that no such
program is perfect.

True but, in my experience, Malware Bytes is over the top and it
occasionally stops attachments that I want to receive.

Is there a way to get a stopped attachment anyhow?

I used to MalwareBytes for occasional scans, for free, but now they
charge after 30 days.



No, not correct. There's a paid version and a free version.

Three of you, Char, Wasbit, and you, said this, and Stephen agreed with
me.

I used the same icon on my desktop to dl a new set of virus deefinitions
and scan, and afaict it didn't work. I think the desktop icon changed
however, to all dark blue so that I can barely see it against the rather
dark blue backbround. Then I went to the MLB webpage to look for the
free version and afaict, there was none.

But in honor of the three of you, I'll try both thing again.

From the desktop I got "The code execution cannot proceed because
Qt5QmlModels.dll was not found. Reinstalling the program may fix the
problem." Then the box disappeared with no Next step.

From the web, .... Yes you're almost surely right. I misread the
meaning of "DOWNLOAD FREE

Includes 14-day trial of Premium"

I thought that meant I could *download* for free and I'd get 14 days of
free trial and then nothing, like I have now. But that ignored the
column heading which was MalwareBytes Free.


Am I too suspicious or is there not some software that says Download
Free without saying that use of it will cost money?

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 14 May 2020 08:06:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/14/2020 6:08 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"micky" wrote

| Yes, it's the programs but two of the programs were Word and Edge or
| something similar, MS programs. But even if not MS, MS had standards
| to be allowed to use the Windows logo. I assumed putting the program
| name in the upper left corner was part of the standards and it wasn't it
| should have been and should be still. Because It's really a problem
| when I don't know what program I'm in.


I hadn't even thought about blind people. Don't blind people have an
organization that would talk to the software writers and make a stink
when one, at least a big one, won't cooperate?

The Eudora email list I read has, I think, 3 blind people on it, and
it's a farily small list . Eudora hasn't been updated since 2006 and
maybe that's why it doesn't violate standards.

It's a fad. Firefox is an example, with newer versions
making the title bar something you have to choose
to add. And of course most people will never understand
that.

Firefox is big example. I can't get the Title Bar to show. I'm lucky I
got the menu bar and bookmark bar. Right clicking on the menu bar shows
no more options!


Even if you choose to add the title bar, FireFox displays the name of
the currently open tab, followed by the name of the program, FireFox. I
would greatly prefer the name "FireFox" first, followed by the tab name.
Or even better, leave out the tab name.

I don't have either "firefox" or tab name. :-(

Mayayana wrote:


So, for the normal person, Firefox looks just like IE.
But for a blind person the Firefox window is mostly blank.

I thought Firefox was an employment program, to keep
wayward programmers off the street :-)

You don't want those people writing shareware and getting drunk.

Paul

On 5/14/2020 9:40 PM, micky wrote:

Firefox is big example. I can't get the Title Bar to show. I'm lucky I
got the menu bar and bookmark bar. Right clicking on the menu bar shows
no more options!



I'm using the latest version of FireFox, and the title bar shows here. I
wish I could tell you how I did it, but was long ago enough that I don't
remember. A FireFox option? An Add-in? I don't remember.


--
Ken

On 5/15/2020 12:40 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 14 May 2020 08:06:40 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 5/14/2020 6:08 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"micky" wrote

| Yes, it's the programs but two of the programs were Word and Edge or
| something similar, MS programs. But even if not MS, MS had standards
| to be allowed to use the Windows logo. I assumed putting the program
| name in the upper left corner was part of the standards and it wasn't it
| should have been and should be still. Because It's really a problem
| when I don't know what program I'm in.


I hadn't even thought about blind people. Don't blind people have an
organization that would talk to the software writers and make a stink
when one, at least a big one, won't cooperate?

The Eudora email list I read has, I think, 3 blind people on it, and
it's a farily small list . Eudora hasn't been updated since 2006 and
maybe that's why it doesn't violate standards.

It's a fad. Firefox is an example, with newer versions
making the title bar something you have to choose
to add. And of course most people will never understand
that.

Firefox is big example. I can't get the Title Bar to show. I'm lucky I
got the menu bar and bookmark bar. Right clicking on the menu bar shows
no more options!


Even if you choose to add the title bar, FireFox displays the name of
the currently open tab, followed by the name of the program, FireFox. I
would greatly prefer the name "FireFox" first, followed by the tab name.
Or even better, leave out the tab name.

I don't have either "firefox" or tab name. :-(

First choice Google "firefox title bar" and it works

To enable the title bar in Firefox, do the following.

Click on the hamburger menu button (the last button on the right in
the toolbar).
The main menu will appear. Click on Customize.
The Customize mode will be enabled. At the bottom, find and enable
the check box Title bar.

On 5/15/2020 11:01 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 5/14/2020 9:40 PM, micky wrote:

Firefox is big example.Â* I can't get the Title Bar to show.Â* I'm lucky I
got the menu bar and bookmark bar.Â* Right clicking on the menu bar shows
no more options!



I'm using the latest version of FireFox, and the title bar shows here. I
wish I could tell you how I did it, but was long ago enough that I don't
remember. A FireFox option? An Add-in? I don't remember.


In the title bar of the main window, Right click in the one of the
toolbars. Select Custom

At the bottom of the tab window, there is a box labeled Title Bar,
checking the box will place the title bar in the main windows. Click
the Done button at the bottom right. of the Tab window.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 15 May 2020 12:36:30 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

On 5/15/2020 11:01 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 5/14/2020 9:40 PM, micky wrote:

Firefox is big example.* I can't get the Title Bar to show.* I'm lucky I
got the menu bar and bookmark bar.* Right clicking on the menu bar shows
no more options!



I'm using the latest version of FireFox, and the title bar shows here. I
wish I could tell you how I did it, but was long ago enough that I don't
remember. A FireFox option? An Add-in? I don't remember.


In the title bar of the main window, Right click in the one of the
toolbars.

It should have been listed here!


Select Custom

At the bottom of the tab window, there is a box labeled Title Bar,
checking the box will place the title bar in the main windows. Click
the Done button at the bottom right. of the Tab window.

By golly that was it. in a little box way at the bottom, after a whole
bunch of white space.

Thanks and thanks Zaidy.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 15 May 2020 00:30:33 -0400, micky
wrote:



From the web, .... Yes you're almost surely right. I misread the
meaning of "DOWNLOAD FREE

Includes 14-day trial of Premium"

I thought that meant I could *download* for free and I'd get 14 days of
free trial and then nothing, like I have now. But that ignored the
column heading which was MalwareBytes Free.

OKay, I installed it. This version wouldn't let me choose where to put
it, but okay.

I ran it and it brought up a window with various statistics, and all the
labels were in a language I didn't recognize, with some characters I
didn't know.

So I google set language malwarebytes

And I got instructions that were inapplicable.

Cautare actualizare
Instalare actualizare
Actualizare finalizata

Finally l found it, I think

called Limba and its current value is Romana
but it only has the following values
Russian
Slovenona
Slovenscena
Eapanol

My Spanish is pretty good, I'll change it to that.

Okay, now it's in Spanish. Still not good enough. .

Am I too suspicious or is there not some software that says Download
Free without saying that use of it will cost money?

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 15 May 2020 00:30:33 -0400, micky
wrote:


From the web, .... Yes you're almost surely right. I misread the
meaning of "DOWNLOAD FREE

Includes 14-day trial of Premium"

I thought that meant I could *download* for free and I'd get 14 days of
free trial and then nothing, like I have now. But that ignored the
column heading which was MalwareBytes Free.

OKay, I installed it. This version wouldn't let me choose where to put
it, but okay.

I ran it and it brought up a window with various statistics, and all the
labels were in a language I didn't recognize, with some characters I
didn't know.

So I google set language malwarebytes

And I got instructions that were inapplicable.

Cautare actualizare
Instalare actualizare
Actualizare finalizata

Finally l found it, I think

called Limba and its current value is Romana
but it only has the following values
Russian
Slovenona
Slovenscena
Eapanol

My Spanish is pretty good, I'll change it to that.

Okay, now it's in Spanish. Still not good enough. .
Am I too suspicious or is there not some software that says Download
Free without saying that use of it will cost money?


https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...-creator-1-3-1

mb4-setup-consumer-4.1.0.159-1.0.889-1.0.23156.exe
.rsrc
1033
RESOURCEFILE
INSTALLERSERVICE32
.rsrc
RESOURCEFILE
CTLRPKG
Languages
lang_en_US.gm === keep this one, rename the rest ?

I would look to see if there is a Languages folder
for the thing. The reference to QtCreator, is the product
the Qt Company provides to developers, to prepare their
source for compilation and packaging. The thread above
does not address how to make an application work properly
as an end-user.

Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 15 May 2020 18:50:17 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 15 May 2020 00:30:33 -0400, micky
wrote:



From the web, .... Yes you're almost surely right. I misread the
meaning of "DOWNLOAD FREE

Includes 14-day trial of Premium"

I thought that meant I could *download* for free and I'd get 14 days of
free trial and then nothing, like I have now. But that ignored the
column heading which was MalwareBytes Free.

OKay, I installed it. This version wouldn't let me choose where to put
it, but okay.

I ran it and it brought up a window with various statistics, and all the
labels were in a language I didn't recognize, with some characters I
didn't know.

So I google set language malwarebytes

And I got instructions that were inapplicable.

Cautare actualizare
Instalare actualizare
Actualizare finalizata

Finally l found it, I think

called Limba and its current value is Romana
but it only has the following values
Russian
Slovenona
Slovenscena
Eapanol

My Spanish is pretty good, I'll change it to that.

Okay, now it's in Spanish. Still not good enough. .

Once I was in Spanish, the word for language was idioma, of course. I
know that, but what's strange is the available languages increased to
include Svenska (Swedish) and some Asian language like Chines or
Japanese. Russian disappeared, but the other two were stll there.


Am I too suspicious or is there not some software that says Download
Free without saying that use of it will cost money?

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 15 May 2020 20:25:39 -0400, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 15 May 2020 00:30:33 -0400, micky
wrote:


From the web, .... Yes you're almost surely right. I misread the
meaning of "DOWNLOAD FREE

Includes 14-day trial of Premium"

I thought that meant I could *download* for free and I'd get 14 days of
free trial and then nothing, like I have now. But that ignored the
column heading which was MalwareBytes Free.

OKay, I installed it. This version wouldn't let me choose where to put
it, but okay.

I ran it and it brought up a window with various statistics, and all the
labels were in a language I didn't recognize, with some characters I
didn't know.

So I google set language malwarebytes

And I got instructions that were inapplicable.

Cautare actualizare
Instalare actualizare
Actualizare finalizata

Finally l found it, I think

called Limba and its current value is Romana
but it only has the following values
Russian
Slovenona
Slovenscena
Eapanol

My Spanish is pretty good, I'll change it to that.

Okay, now it's in Spanish. Still not good enough. .
Am I too suspicious or is there not some software that says Download
Free without saying that use of it will cost money?


https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...-creator-1-3-1

mb4-setup-consumer-4.1.0.159-1.0.889-1.0.23156.exe
.rsrc
1033
RESOURCEFILE
INSTALLERSERVICE32
.rsrc
RESOURCEFILE
CTLRPKG
Languages
lang_en_US.gm === keep this one, rename the rest ?

I would look to see if there is a Languages folder

Yes, and it includes English UK and English US. I should have thought
of that. Maybe next time.

for the thing. The reference to QtCreator, is the product
the Qt Company provides to developers, to prepare their
source for compilation and packaging. The thread above
does not address how to make an application work properly
as an end-user.

Paul

I closed it and I imagined reopening it would solve the problem, but it
didn't. Finally got to a different part of the list of languages with
the up arrow. Maybe I should have tried that first. Sometimes I
think I need a keeper. ;-(

Thanks.