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  #106  
Old September 18th 13, 12:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 23:22:48 +0100, choro wrote:

But here is the proof of the pudding...


See my remarks in

Message-ID:

addressing another post where you stated the same opinion.

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  #107  
Old September 18th 13, 12:14 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:37:04 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:05:46 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I am generally against incremental backup. It backs up only those
things that need to be backed up, and that's good.

But what's bad is that if you restore from it, you get back files
you've deleted. That may not always be a problem, but it can be.


If you restore from an incremental backup, you only get the files that
are in that backup[1]. If it was deleted prior to a given backup, it
will be absent from that backup.

[1] People seem not to have figured this out: when Macrium, at least,
makes an incremental backup, the latest image file includes all the
information needed to completely reconstruct the disk as it existed at
the time of the backup. The latest file only includes changes. Unchanged
stuff is fetched from the earlier incrementals. Deleted stuff is not
fetched.


Same with ShadowProtect. But to restore from any given incremental, you
have to have all of the preceding incrementals and the original full
backup that this is an incremental of. I think we're probably saying
the same thing.
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  #108  
Old September 18th 13, 12:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:14:10 +0100, Robin Bignall wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:37:04 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:05:46 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I am generally against incremental backup. It backs up only those
things that need to be backed up, and that's good.

But what's bad is that if you restore from it, you get back files
you've deleted. That may not always be a problem, but it can be.


If you restore from an incremental backup, you only get the files that
are in that backup[1]. If it was deleted prior to a given backup, it
will be absent from that backup.

[1] People seem not to have figured this out: when Macrium, at least,
makes an incremental backup, the latest image file includes all the
information needed to completely reconstruct the disk as it existed at
the time of the backup. The latest file only includes changes. Unchanged
stuff is fetched from the earlier incrementals. Deleted stuff is not
fetched.


Same with ShadowProtect. But to restore from any given incremental, you
have to have all of the preceding incrementals and the original full
backup that this is an incremental of. I think we're probably saying
the same thing.


Probably. But you have clarified my remarks for those who didn't read
between the lines to figure out what I should have said :-)

Thanks for the correction.

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  #109  
Old September 18th 13, 01:03 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:37:04 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:05:46 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I am generally against incremental backup. It backs up only those
things that need to be backed up, and that's good.

But what's bad is that if you restore from it, you get back files
you've deleted. That may not always be a problem, but it can be.


If you restore from an incremental backup, you only get the files that
are in that backup[1]. If it was deleted prior to a given backup, it
will be absent from that backup.



Of course. But if you first backed up and then deleted, you get back
the deleted files. And it's very easy to not remember that you had
deleted them.

  #110  
Old September 18th 13, 01:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:50:21 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Ken.

Yes, I've read a little about that, but I don't understand it fully, so I
didn't try to explain it.



Nor do I, which is why I didn't try to go onto details.


And I'm not sure if it applies to the final
cluster of a long file, or only to a single-cluster file.



As far as I know, only small, single-cluster files.


Thanks for reminding me.


You're welcome. Glad to help.
  #111  
Old September 18th 13, 01:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:03:45 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:37:04 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:05:46 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I am generally against incremental backup. It backs up only those
things that need to be backed up, and that's good.

But what's bad is that if you restore from it, you get back files
you've deleted. That may not always be a problem, but it can be.


If you restore from an incremental backup, you only get the files that
are in that backup[1]. If it was deleted prior to a given backup, it
will be absent from that backup.


Of course. But if you first backed up and then deleted, you get back
the deleted files. And it's very easy to not remember that you had
deleted them.


OK, but I didn't think that's what you meant. Also, please note that I
specified "if it was deleted prior to a given backup..."

But of course, all of the above is true of *any* backup method, not just
image backups, incremental or otherwise.

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  #112  
Old September 18th 13, 01:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
R. C. White
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Hi, Choro.

Not only one has to edit the English text but one has got to compare the
translation with the text in the original language the novel was written
it. Hence I have been editing the translation and resaving it again and
again as I go along. Of course I keep a pristine copy of the original
translation as well.


As an English-only speaking American, I greatly admire people who are fluent
in multiple languages. I took Spanish in college; made A's; couldn't speak
Spanish at the end of the course and still can't, 60 years later. :(
Picked up a smattering of other languages, but can't read or speak more than
the simplest sentence in any of them. I'm actually picking up more Spanish
now from just reading product labels in both languages. ;}

Which program(s) are you using to edit and translate the text? Perhaps the
program:
1. Saves both the original and the translation, or at least some of it.
2. Saves notes you might make about ambiguities or other items.
3. Saves notes about the history and progress of the translation.

These features could cause each successive Save to be a little bigger - or
smaller.

Perhaps others here have experience with such software and can add more
insight than I can.

RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


"choro" wrote in message ...

On 17/09/2013 21:50, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Ken.

Yes, I've read a little about that, but I don't understand it fully, so
I didn't try to explain it. And I'm not sure if it applies to the final
cluster of a long file, or only to a single-cluster file.

Thanks for reminding me.


Look guys, I don't claim to be a computer or computing expert. What I
learned, I learned on my own, by observing and experimenting and
occasional reading.

Files DO take up less space if they are saved in one go as opposed to
being re-edited and saved time and time again. And here is the proof...

One particular file I am working on is the English translation of a
historic novel. The translators have done a good job but the author has
still trusted me to edit the translation. Naturally this is a long,
laborious process. Not only one has to edit the English text but one has
got to compare the translation with the text in the original language
the novel was written it. Hence I have been editing the translation and
resaving it again and again as I go along. Of course I keep a pristine
copy of the original translation as well.

But here is the proof of the pudding...

The version of the file I am working on takes up X+3,520 Bytes of HD
space which. The the version of the file that I have been working on
and which I have just re-saved under a slightly different name takes up
less than X Bytes. In fact the version of the file saved over and over
again and again takes up around 4% MORE space on the HD. Of course this
is an insignificant saving of HD space when re-saving the file in ONE GO
under a different name which names it into a completely different file.

The same happens when xcopying or xxcopying. You DO gain some if
insignificant HD space when you xcopy or xxcopy.

I need no further proof than this little experiment I have just done to
convince me that what I have been saying all along is true. Now,
contiguity is another matter altogether.
--
choro
*****


RC
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San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:11:01 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:


If your file system uses 4 KB clusters (aka allocation units), than a
1-byte
file will take 4 KB of space on disk, although 4,095 of those bytes
will be
empty.



RC, although that used to be true, it no longer always is. For very
small files (don't ask me to define what "very small" means here; I
don't know) the data is not stored in a cluster, but in the MFT. So a
1-byte file takes up no space on the disk.


  #113  
Old September 18th 13, 02:29 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 18/09/2013 01:27, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Choro.

Not only one has to edit the English text but one has got to compare
the translation with the text in the original language the novel was
written it. Hence I have been editing the translation and resaving it
again and again as I go along. Of course I keep a pristine copy of the
original translation as well.


As an English-only speaking American, I greatly admire people who are
fluent in multiple languages. I took Spanish in college; made A's;
couldn't speak Spanish at the end of the course and still can't, 60
years later. :( Picked up a smattering of other languages, but can't
read or speak more than the simplest sentence in any of them. I'm
actually picking up more Spanish now from just reading product labels in
both languages. ;}

Which program(s) are you using to edit and translate the text? Perhaps
the program:
1. Saves both the original and the translation, or at least some of it.
2. Saves notes you might make about ambiguities or other items.
3. Saves notes about the history and progress of the translation.

These features could cause each successive Save to be a little bigger -
or smaller.

Perhaps others here have experience with such software and can add more
insight than I can.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


I've heard about such programs but that's about it. I believe MS Word
has some tricks up its sleeve too.

But to be frank with you, I am merely using very simple methods. *Keep
it simple is my principle*. I use different color texts for corrections
and for expressing my opinions which makes it simple as just by deleting
one particular color of text, one is left with the edited copy. A simple
Select All and change text color to default black, leaves one with a
clean edited text.

To be honest there is nothing so extraordinary about what I am doing. It
is a question of interest and of putting your mind to it. I've helped an
old childhood friend of mine who after his retirement decided to write
his lifestory. He is English but he took on board a lot of my advice
about rewording a lot of passages in his lifestory.

My secret, if there is one, is that I have got a musical ear and a bit
of musical training which I believe helps with learning languages. It is
a question of the flow of words, not all that much different from the
flow of notes in music. And also I spent nearly a decade in a job that
involved languages, keying out the equivalent of at least a paperback
every month. That experience of course has been of great help. And even
though I wasted a quarter century of my life in retailing, ideas flow,
hopefully rationally, from my mind.

I'll let you in on another secret. I happen to be a very good touch
typist. How does this help with the flow of ideas, I can hear some
people asking. Well, the truth is that it does not, with the emphasis on
not. But being a good touch typist enables one to concentrate on the
flow of ideas and not get distracted by other physical distractions.

This is the way musicians play. They don't even think about technique.
That becomes a sub-conscious thing.

I remember once reading *Zen in the Art of Archery*. I'd recommend that
book to anyone and everyone. It takes going over the book slowly and
carefully to fully grasp the message. Another book I'd recommend is
Jonathan Livingstone Seagull. You can probably read it in one 30-minute
sitting. But it takes several reads to let the message sink in. Well
worth the effort. And the illustrations depicting seagulls are very
simple but very apt and effective. It is one of the books I think very
highly of which I feel everybody should read several times until the
message sinks in.

The secret to anything is focusing one's attention and concentrating on
the matter at hand to the exclusion of everything else.

One trick I have found out by chance is to take a coffee break after a
bout of concentrated effort. But have your coffee break elsewhere, say
in the kitchen, where you won't be distracted by other things, and you
will soon find yourself solving particular problems that have been
exercising your mind. I find this both relaxing and extremely productive.

But also bear in mind that people are not all that different from one
another. The human mind is capable of only so much. And if one delves
too deep into a particular field at the expense of other aspects of
life, one eventually pays the price. But this is something we have to
decide for ourselves. One can't have everything in life.

So be happy with what you have got and with what you are doing. Life's
aim, after all, should be to find happiness. And do have just a few few,
not many, real and sincere friends. That's one of the most important
things in life. --
choro
*****



"choro" wrote in message ...

On 17/09/2013 21:50, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Ken.

Yes, I've read a little about that, but I don't understand it fully, so
I didn't try to explain it. And I'm not sure if it applies to the final
cluster of a long file, or only to a single-cluster file.

Thanks for reminding me.


Look guys, I don't claim to be a computer or computing expert. What I
learned, I learned on my own, by observing and experimenting and
occasional reading.

Files DO take up less space if they are saved in one go as opposed to
being re-edited and saved time and time again. And here is the proof...

One particular file I am working on is the English translation of a
historic novel. The translators have done a good job but the author has
still trusted me to edit the translation. Naturally this is a long,
laborious process. Not only one has to edit the English text but one has
got to compare the translation with the text in the original language
the novel was written it. Hence I have been editing the translation and
resaving it again and again as I go along. Of course I keep a pristine
copy of the original translation as well.

But here is the proof of the pudding...

The version of the file I am working on takes up X+3,520 Bytes of HD
space which. The the version of the file that I have been working on
and which I have just re-saved under a slightly different name takes up
less than X Bytes. In fact the version of the file saved over and over
again and again takes up around 4% MORE space on the HD. Of course this
is an insignificant saving of HD space when re-saving the file in ONE GO
under a different name which names it into a completely different file.

The same happens when xcopying or xxcopying. You DO gain some if
insignificant HD space when you xcopy or xxcopy.

I need no further proof than this little experiment I have just done to
convince me that what I have been saying all along is true. Now,
contiguity is another matter altogether.

  #114  
Old September 18th 13, 03:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Hi, Choro.

Lots of good thoughts and advice in your post. Wish I had time to comment
on several of them. But one in particular triggered a distinctly OT thought
for me:

I read Jonathan Livingston Seagull; was not terribly impressed; maybe I need
to read it again, slowly. I never saw the movie. But my client "flew the
camera" to make the movie. He was a world champion aerobatic pilot who flew
the camera for several movies.

He told me that the Seagull movie required him to fly into a cliff - almost.
He said he became so intent on what he was filming that he almost forgot to
pull up and nearly crashed into the cliffs a few times. A few years later,
he flew the camera to film "Top Gun". The last words his ground crew heard
from him were, "We've got a problem here." He died in that crash. If you
see that movie, watch at the very end while the credits roll - forever, it
seems. Finally, the very last line says the film is dedicated to his
memory.

When watching a movie, especially an action adventure or nature documentary,
I often ask myself, "Where was the cameraman?"

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


"choro" wrote in message ...

On 18/09/2013 01:27, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Choro.

Not only one has to edit the English text but one has got to compare
the translation with the text in the original language the novel was
written it. Hence I have been editing the translation and resaving it
again and again as I go along. Of course I keep a pristine copy of the
original translation as well.


As an English-only speaking American, I greatly admire people who are
fluent in multiple languages. I took Spanish in college; made A's;
couldn't speak Spanish at the end of the course and still can't, 60
years later. :( Picked up a smattering of other languages, but can't
read or speak more than the simplest sentence in any of them. I'm
actually picking up more Spanish now from just reading product labels in
both languages. ;}

Which program(s) are you using to edit and translate the text? Perhaps
the program:
1. Saves both the original and the translation, or at least some of it.
2. Saves notes you might make about ambiguities or other items.
3. Saves notes about the history and progress of the translation.

These features could cause each successive Save to be a little bigger -
or smaller.

Perhaps others here have experience with such software and can add more
insight than I can.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


I've heard about such programs but that's about it. I believe MS Word
has some tricks up its sleeve too.

But to be frank with you, I am merely using very simple methods. *Keep
it simple is my principle*. I use different color texts for corrections
and for expressing my opinions which makes it simple as just by deleting
one particular color of text, one is left with the edited copy. A simple
Select All and change text color to default black, leaves one with a
clean edited text.

To be honest there is nothing so extraordinary about what I am doing. It
is a question of interest and of putting your mind to it. I've helped an
old childhood friend of mine who after his retirement decided to write
his lifestory. He is English but he took on board a lot of my advice
about rewording a lot of passages in his lifestory.

My secret, if there is one, is that I have got a musical ear and a bit
of musical training which I believe helps with learning languages. It is
a question of the flow of words, not all that much different from the
flow of notes in music. And also I spent nearly a decade in a job that
involved languages, keying out the equivalent of at least a paperback
every month. That experience of course has been of great help. And even
though I wasted a quarter century of my life in retailing, ideas flow,
hopefully rationally, from my mind.

I'll let you in on another secret. I happen to be a very good touch
typist. How does this help with the flow of ideas, I can hear some
people asking. Well, the truth is that it does not, with the emphasis on
not. But being a good touch typist enables one to concentrate on the
flow of ideas and not get distracted by other physical distractions.

This is the way musicians play. They don't even think about technique.
That becomes a sub-conscious thing.

I remember once reading *Zen in the Art of Archery*. I'd recommend that
book to anyone and everyone. It takes going over the book slowly and
carefully to fully grasp the message. Another book I'd recommend is
Jonathan Livingstone Seagull. You can probably read it in one 30-minute
sitting. But it takes several reads to let the message sink in. Well
worth the effort. And the illustrations depicting seagulls are very
simple but very apt and effective. It is one of the books I think very
highly of which I feel everybody should read several times until the
message sinks in.

The secret to anything is focusing one's attention and concentrating on
the matter at hand to the exclusion of everything else.

One trick I have found out by chance is to take a coffee break after a
bout of concentrated effort. But have your coffee break elsewhere, say
in the kitchen, where you won't be distracted by other things, and you
will soon find yourself solving particular problems that have been
exercising your mind. I find this both relaxing and extremely productive.

But also bear in mind that people are not all that different from one
another. The human mind is capable of only so much. And if one delves
too deep into a particular field at the expense of other aspects of
life, one eventually pays the price. But this is something we have to
decide for ourselves. One can't have everything in life.

So be happy with what you have got and with what you are doing. Life's
aim, after all, should be to find happiness. And do have just a few few,
not many, real and sincere friends. That's one of the most important
things in life. --
choro
*****



"choro" wrote in message ...

On 17/09/2013 21:50, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Ken.

Yes, I've read a little about that, but I don't understand it fully, so
I didn't try to explain it. And I'm not sure if it applies to the final
cluster of a long file, or only to a single-cluster file.

Thanks for reminding me.


Look guys, I don't claim to be a computer or computing expert. What I
learned, I learned on my own, by observing and experimenting and
occasional reading.

Files DO take up less space if they are saved in one go as opposed to
being re-edited and saved time and time again. And here is the proof...

One particular file I am working on is the English translation of a
historic novel. The translators have done a good job but the author has
still trusted me to edit the translation. Naturally this is a long,
laborious process. Not only one has to edit the English text but one has
got to compare the translation with the text in the original language
the novel was written it. Hence I have been editing the translation and
resaving it again and again as I go along. Of course I keep a pristine
copy of the original translation as well.

But here is the proof of the pudding...

The version of the file I am working on takes up X+3,520 Bytes of HD
space which. The the version of the file that I have been working on
and which I have just re-saved under a slightly different name takes up
less than X Bytes. In fact the version of the file saved over and over
again and again takes up around 4% MORE space on the HD. Of course this
is an insignificant saving of HD space when re-saving the file in ONE GO
under a different name which names it into a completely different file.

The same happens when xcopying or xxcopying. You DO gain some if
insignificant HD space when you xcopy or xxcopy.

I need no further proof than this little experiment I have just done to
convince me that what I have been saying all along is true. Now,
contiguity is another matter altogether.


  #115  
Old September 18th 13, 05:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:43:01 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote:

Hi, Steve.

I made several attempts to install Linux on my D: drive, but most of them
did not work, and the latest one, which did work, is not recognised as D:
by Windows.


I've already pleaded ignorance regarding Linux (including GRUB). But I
think that Linux, like Windows, has to depend on the Partition Table in the
MBR sector on the currently-defined boot device to define Disk # and
Partition #. Windows assigns "drive" letters to those partitions - not to
the entire disk, of course. But Windows probably does not tell Linux what
letters it has assigned. And vice-versa? And the Partition Table itself
knows NOTHING about drive LETTERS.

When you installed Linux on your "D: drive", which Disk # and Partition #
was that? When you boot Windows and run Disk Management, which letter is
assigned to that Disk#/Partition#?


Originally D on Disk 1, but now none.

It just says

105.09 GB
Healthy (Active)

...a program installed on the E drive keeps its registry on the C drive,


No. A program does not have a Registry. It makes entries into THE Registry
maintained by Windows. It is in the Boot Folder on the Boot Volume, and
this is USUALLY C:\Windows on Drive C:, but it can be on any "drive". It
can very well be E:\Windows, depending on the instructions you gave to
Windows' Setup.exe when you installed Windows - and whether you booted from
the Windows DVD or ran Setup from an existing Windows installation.


OK, I should have said "keeps its registry entry".

but when I restore it from Acronis on a completely new disk with a
different partition size, it still manages to find it.


I've never used a program from Acronis, either. But when you restored
Windows to a new disk, you probably restored the System Partition, too, and
that contains the Boot Configuration Data (BCD), which tells the startup
file (bootmgr) where to find Windows. Changing the SIZE of a partition does
not change the letter that was assigned to it. A 500 GB Drive C: shrunk to
8 or 80 GB is still Drive C:. And it may still be the third partition on
the second HDD, as shown in the Partition Table in the System Partition,
probably partition 1 on Disk 0. Of course, if you restored only to Disk 1,
then the System Partition on Disk 0 has not been touched.


Well my point was that I had backed up the partitions using Acronis, and when
I got the new computer I booted from the Acronis Rescue Disc and restored the
C: partition on Drive 0 and the D, E, F, and G partitions on Drive 1.

After the restoration, programs installed on the E and F partitions ran with
no problems, which I think was the question being asked -- whether one could
restore a program installed in a partition other than the one in which the
registry is kept.


--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
  #116  
Old September 18th 13, 05:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:27:41 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote:

Hi, Choro.

Not only one has to edit the English text but one has got to compare the
translation with the text in the original language the novel was written
it. Hence I have been editing the translation and resaving it again and
again as I go along. Of course I keep a pristine copy of the original
translation as well.


As an English-only speaking American, I greatly admire people who are fluent
in multiple languages. I took Spanish in college; made A's; couldn't speak
Spanish at the end of the course and still can't, 60 years later. :(
Picked up a smattering of other languages, but can't read or speak more than
the simplest sentence in any of them. I'm actually picking up more Spanish
now from just reading product labels in both languages. ;}

Which program(s) are you using to edit and translate the text? Perhaps the
program:
1. Saves both the original and the translation, or at least some of it.
2. Saves notes you might make about ambiguities or other items.
3. Saves notes about the history and progress of the translation.

These features could cause each successive Save to be a little bigger - or
smaller.

Perhaps others here have experience with such software and can add more
insight than I can.


In my experience MS Word files can grow much bigger than the actual size of
the material added to them. I have the impression that that is the result of
the structure of the file, rather than the way the file is stored on disk.


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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
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Old September 18th 13, 05:45 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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That's sad. Very sad. But then we can say about him that he did what he
wanted. He did the impossible. And I bet he was very happy doing it. The
accident of course is sad.

You read JLS again and read it several times. And try to understand the
author was really commenting on man and the seagull was his medium.

That philosophy, that attitude that nothing is impossible is very true.
Man can achieve wonders once he puts his mind to something.

I recently met a young lady who not only has got a superb singing voice
but she composes some lovely songs too. She is working on her 2nd CD at
the moment and recently sent me a new song she has composed. The track
she sent me is still not the finalized track that will go on the CD.
Some instrumental tracks to be added to the song are still to be
recorded. But it is already a beautiful song. The amount of
concentration needed for composing even such a short song is immense.

I only met her on holiday and she went out of her way to help me when
she had absolutely no obligation to. For some reason I had fallen very
anemic and weak. We were waiting for a bus at a bus terminal. She
realized that I could do with some help and did offer to help me. I took
her up on her offer to help and she really went out of her way to be
helpful to me. I was really touched. And believe it or not that was the
very first time we had met. We were perfect strangers.

You know, it raises one's spirits and hope for mankind when one comes
across such people. Seeing her kindness, her caring attitude I decided
there and then that I must not lose touch with this young lady and we
have been corresponding since. She was over the moon when I recently
sent her some manuscripts of songs.

But I will remember what you related to me about the JLS cameraman.
Actually I have seen the film but I will watch the ending carefully next
time. The photography is absolutely superb. I'll think of him every time
I have a look at the book. You know that in the book JLS flies into the
cliff but he lives and rises into another world where he meets his old
master I believe. Of course it is not the actual tale that is important
but the message that it carries. The scene where he is cast out of the
community of seagulls is also very meaningful.

But in fact the impossible do happen all around us all the time. Of
course, JLS should not be taken literally. It is the meaning and the
message concealed in the story that is important.
--
choro
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On 18/09/2013 03:49, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Choro.

Lots of good thoughts and advice in your post. Wish I had time to
comment on several of them. But one in particular triggered a
distinctly OT thought for me:

I read Jonathan Livingston Seagull; was not terribly impressed; maybe I
need to read it again, slowly. I never saw the movie. But my client
"flew the camera" to make the movie. He was a world champion aerobatic
pilot who flew the camera for several movies.

He told me that the Seagull movie required him to fly into a cliff -
almost. He said he became so intent on what he was filming that he
almost forgot to pull up and nearly crashed into the cliffs a few
times. A few years later, he flew the camera to film "Top Gun". The
last words his ground crew heard from him were, "We've got a problem
here." He died in that crash. If you see that movie, watch at the very
end while the credits roll - forever, it seems. Finally, the very last
line says the film is dedicated to his memory.

When watching a movie, especially an action adventure or nature
documentary, I often ask myself, "Where was the cameraman?"

RC
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San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


"choro" wrote in message ...

On 18/09/2013 01:27, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Choro.

Not only one has to edit the English text but one has got to compare
the translation with the text in the original language the novel was
written it. Hence I have been editing the translation and resaving it
again and again as I go along. Of course I keep a pristine copy of the
original translation as well.


As an English-only speaking American, I greatly admire people who are
fluent in multiple languages. I took Spanish in college; made A's;
couldn't speak Spanish at the end of the course and still can't, 60
years later. :( Picked up a smattering of other languages, but can't
read or speak more than the simplest sentence in any of them. I'm
actually picking up more Spanish now from just reading product labels in
both languages. ;}

Which program(s) are you using to edit and translate the text? Perhaps
the program:
1. Saves both the original and the translation, or at least some of
it.
2. Saves notes you might make about ambiguities or other items.
3. Saves notes about the history and progress of the translation.

These features could cause each successive Save to be a little bigger -
or smaller.

Perhaps others here have experience with such software and can add more
insight than I can.

RC
--
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San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


I've heard about such programs but that's about it. I believe MS Word
has some tricks up its sleeve too.

But to be frank with you, I am merely using very simple methods. *Keep
it simple is my principle*. I use different color texts for corrections
and for expressing my opinions which makes it simple as just by deleting
one particular color of text, one is left with the edited copy. A simple
Select All and change text color to default black, leaves one with a
clean edited text.

To be honest there is nothing so extraordinary about what I am doing. It
is a question of interest and of putting your mind to it. I've helped an
old childhood friend of mine who after his retirement decided to write
his lifestory. He is English but he took on board a lot of my advice
about rewording a lot of passages in his lifestory.

My secret, if there is one, is that I have got a musical ear and a bit
of musical training which I believe helps with learning languages. It is
a question of the flow of words, not all that much different from the
flow of notes in music. And also I spent nearly a decade in a job that
involved languages, keying out the equivalent of at least a paperback
every month. That experience of course has been of great help. And even
though I wasted a quarter century of my life in retailing, ideas flow,
hopefully rationally, from my mind.

I'll let you in on another secret. I happen to be a very good touch
typist. How does this help with the flow of ideas, I can hear some
people asking. Well, the truth is that it does not, with the emphasis on
not. But being a good touch typist enables one to concentrate on the
flow of ideas and not get distracted by other physical distractions.

This is the way musicians play. They don't even think about technique.
That becomes a sub-conscious thing.

I remember once reading *Zen in the Art of Archery*. I'd recommend that
book to anyone and everyone. It takes going over the book slowly and
carefully to fully grasp the message. Another book I'd recommend is
Jonathan Livingstone Seagull. You can probably read it in one 30-minute
sitting. But it takes several reads to let the message sink in. Well
worth the effort. And the illustrations depicting seagulls are very
simple but very apt and effective. It is one of the books I think very
highly of which I feel everybody should read several times until the
message sinks in.

The secret to anything is focusing one's attention and concentrating on
the matter at hand to the exclusion of everything else.

One trick I have found out by chance is to take a coffee break after a
bout of concentrated effort. But have your coffee break elsewhere, say
in the kitchen, where you won't be distracted by other things, and you
will soon find yourself solving particular problems that have been
exercising your mind. I find this both relaxing and extremely productive.

But also bear in mind that people are not all that different from one
another. The human mind is capable of only so much. And if one delves
too deep into a particular field at the expense of other aspects of
life, one eventually pays the price. But this is something we have to
decide for ourselves. One can't have everything in life.

So be happy with what you have got and with what you are doing. Life's
aim, after all, should be to find happiness. And do have just a few few,
not many, real and sincere friends. That's one of the most important
things in life. --
choro
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"choro" wrote in message ...

On 17/09/2013 21:50, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Ken.

Yes, I've read a little about that, but I don't understand it fully, so
I didn't try to explain it. And I'm not sure if it applies to the final
cluster of a long file, or only to a single-cluster file.

Thanks for reminding me.


Look guys, I don't claim to be a computer or computing expert. What I
learned, I learned on my own, by observing and experimenting and
occasional reading.

Files DO take up less space if they are saved in one go as opposed to
being re-edited and saved time and time again. And here is the proof...

One particular file I am working on is the English translation of a
historic novel. The translators have done a good job but the author has
still trusted me to edit the translation. Naturally this is a long,
laborious process. Not only one has to edit the English text but one has
got to compare the translation with the text in the original language
the novel was written it. Hence I have been editing the translation and
resaving it again and again as I go along. Of course I keep a pristine
copy of the original translation as well.

But here is the proof of the pudding...

The version of the file I am working on takes up X+3,520 Bytes of HD
space which. The the version of the file that I have been working on
and which I have just re-saved under a slightly different name takes up
less than X Bytes. In fact the version of the file saved over and over
again and again takes up around 4% MORE space on the HD. Of course this
is an insignificant saving of HD space when re-saving the file in ONE GO
under a different name which names it into a completely different file.

The same happens when xcopying or xxcopying. You DO gain some if
insignificant HD space when you xcopy or xxcopy.

I need no further proof than this little experiment I have just done to
convince me that what I have been saying all along is true. Now,
contiguity is another matter altogether.


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Old September 18th 13, 07:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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Steve Hayes on Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:26:32 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

These features could cause each successive Save to be a little bigger - or
smaller.

Perhaps others here have experience with such software and can add more
insight than I can.


In my experience MS Word files can grow much bigger than the actual size of
the material added to them. I have the impression that that is the result of
the structure of the file, rather than the way the file is stored on disk.


And the metadata that MS stores with the file.


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lock phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter
room three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."
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Old September 18th 13, 10:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 23:47:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Steve Hayes on Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:26:32 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

These features could cause each successive Save to be a little bigger - or
smaller.

Perhaps others here have experience with such software and can add more
insight than I can.


In my experience MS Word files can grow much bigger than the actual size of
the material added to them. I have the impression that that is the result of
the structure of the file, rather than the way the file is stored on disk.


And the metadata that MS stores with the file.


Yes, and I've sometimes wondered if there was a way of performing the
equivalent of a defrag on the files to reduce them to a reasonable size again.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Old September 18th 13, 11:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 23:47:29 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Steve Hayes on Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:26:32 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
These features could cause each successive Save to be a little bigger - or
smaller.

Perhaps others here have experience with such software and can add more
insight than I can.
In my experience MS Word files can grow much bigger than the actual size of
the material added to them. I have the impression that that is the result of
the structure of the file, rather than the way the file is stored on disk.

And the metadata that MS stores with the file.


Yes, and I've sometimes wondered if there was a way of performing the
equivalent of a defrag on the files to reduce them to a reasonable size again.


Word and other MS Office programs keep the entire history of all changes
made in the file, so when you make an edit, they add the edit to the
file, but keep all previous versions as well, just making a note of
where the edit has been made. This makes the files grow with each edit.
It also makes`it possible to roll back changes and track who changed
what. To do the equivalent of a defrag, use Save As with a different
name. This saves the file as you see it on screen, and removes all the
previous version information.

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Tciao for Now!

John.
 




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