bought non-wireless priinter by mistake

wrote:
Bob F wrote:
Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
micky wrote:

OTOH, he has a Mac. Does that make a difference?
Micky-

Two possibilities:

1. An Apple AirPort Extreme (WiFi router) has a USB port that can be
used with a USB printer. (An Apple Time Capsule is the same, but has
a Hard Drive that can be accessed over the network.)
Many routers now have USB ports, which can handle printers or usb hard drives.

However I've found that although they work they can be rather slow,
routers don't have fast/powerful processors usually and the printer
USB will be low on priority. Printing nowadays can involve firing
quite a lot of data at the printer.

I found that printing via the USB port on my Draytek Vigor 2820n (not
by any means a basic router) was very slow even compared with printing
using a Raspberry Pi as the network - USB link. (I have an only HP
1320 printer that is parallel and USB only)


The best processor I could find in a modern router, was a
1GHz ARM in the 802.11ac class ones. Which is a bit better
than a stock PI at 700MHz.

Paul

On 12/9/2014 7:42 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
?????? The last sentence isn't making any sense to me. It shouldn't
take much time at all to get the new stuff running, if it's all Apple.
Unless the problem is one of simply getting together to do it. G
If you have the security code for the network there is no need to take
that long for any computer.

I have a mixed LAN Windows 8.1 and Windows XP, On Sunday my son in law
came with his new PC and it tool longer to give him the characters in
the pass code to the LAN than it did to connect.

I think in your comments there may be a slight Mac bias.

On 12/9/14 7:15 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 12/9/2014 7:42 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
?????? The last sentence isn't making any sense to me. It shouldn't
take much time at all to get the new stuff running, if it's all Apple.
Unless the problem is one of simply getting together to do it. G
If you have the security code for the network there is no need to take
that long for any computer.

With today's computers, agreed. But the 3 hr. issue with my nephew's
computer, one of 3 or 4 he brought to his parent's house, is accurate.
I sat there and watched him try to get it to connect, and never let him
live it down. (Actually, I went and watched TV while he worked at it.
LOL) I think it took him 5-10 minutes for the others, and that was
longer than it took this Mac to connect.

At the time, he was a Windows fanboi, nothing was ever going to be
better. He's mellowed a lot since then.

But keep this in perspective, at the time Win 7 was new, and MS has
improved in this area.

I have a mixed LAN Windows 8.1 and Windows XP, On Sunday my son in law
came with his new PC and it tool longer to give him the characters in
the pass code to the LAN than it did to connect.

As I just said, MS has improved.

I think in your comments there may be a slight Mac bias.

There's good and bad about both systems. I found a couple of things
about the Mac I didn't like the first day I had it. For instance,
there's no "Move" option when doing file management. It's buried in
there, but you have to use Terminal to do it. Nothing in the UI allows
this. I don't know if Apple has brought it back.

The lines you quoted had nothing to do with comparing the systems, just
noting that if they are working with two new Apple units, there won't be
any problem. It's just like using Homegroup in Win 7, except a tad
easier, especially if you have an Apple account. In this case, you
don't even need a home network.

Don't know if Homegroup is in 8 or not, I did my network the old
fashioned way here, since Homegroup is limited in the OS systems it will
work with.

It's not as easy to network a Mac to a PC as it should be, and it's
Apple's fault, not MS's. Maybe that's been corrected in Mavericks
and/or Yosemite, I don't know. And from what I've learned, Apple has
removed a couple of things from OS X that makes file management across a
network hard to accomplish. I don't know why, but that's another thing
I don't like.

If there are two new Apple computers, I don't understand trying to get
Tiger and XP to work with the printer, unless they just want to make it
work for whatever reason. Something I've been known to do.

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 33.1
Thunderbird 31.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 12/9/2014 10:46 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/9/14 7:15 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 12/9/2014 7:42 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
?????? The last sentence isn't making any sense to me. It shouldn't
take much time at all to get the new stuff running, if it's all Apple.
Unless the problem is one of simply getting together to do it. G
If you have the security code for the network there is no need to take
that long for any computer.

With today's computers, agreed. But the 3 hr. issue with my nephew's
computer, one of 3 or 4 he brought to his parent's house, is accurate. I
sat there and watched him try to get it to connect, and never let him
live it down. (Actually, I went and watched TV while he worked at it.
LOL) I think it took him 5-10 minutes for the others, and that was
longer than it took this Mac to connect.

At the time, he was a Windows fanboi, nothing was ever going to be
better. He's mellowed a lot since then.

But keep this in perspective, at the time Win 7 was new, and MS has
improved in this area.

I have a mixed LAN Windows 8.1 and Windows XP, On Sunday my son in law
came with his new PC and it tool longer to give him the characters in
the pass code to the LAN than it did to connect.

As I just said, MS has improved.

I think in your comments there may be a slight Mac bias.

There's good and bad about both systems. I found a couple of things
about the Mac I didn't like the first day I had it. For instance,
there's no "Move" option when doing file management. It's buried in
there, but you have to use Terminal to do it. Nothing in the UI allows
this. I don't know if Apple has brought it back.

The lines you quoted had nothing to do with comparing the systems, just
noting that if they are working with two new Apple units, there won't be
any problem. It's just like using Homegroup in Win 7, except a tad
easier, especially if you have an Apple account. In this case, you
don't even need a home network.

Don't know if Homegroup is in 8 or not, I did my network the old
fashioned way here, since Homegroup is limited in the OS systems it will
work with.

It's not as easy to network a Mac to a PC as it should be, and it's
Apple's fault, not MS's. Maybe that's been corrected in Mavericks
and/or Yosemite, I don't know. And from what I've learned, Apple has
removed a couple of things from OS X that makes file management across a
network hard to accomplish. I don't know why, but that's another thing
I don't like.

If there are two new Apple computers, I don't understand trying to get
Tiger and XP to work with the printer, unless they just want to make it
work for whatever reason. Something I've been known to do.

Windows 8 has the Homegroup option, but I did not use it. I hooked the
Windows 8 unit into the LAN as a standalone computer that shared it
resources with the LAN. This removes Windows 8's control of the LAN.

Once I had Windows 8 up and running, I made the LAN connection through
the Network Connection Pane that pops up on the right side of the
desktop. I then went to the File explorer and shade those resources
that I wanted shared. I made sure that the Firewall permitted those
resources to access the LAN.

PS. I have not seen the Metro/Modern interface since I upgraded from
Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, and access all computer functions from the MS
Icon on the desktop toolbar.

On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:42:49 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/8/14 9:29 PM, micky wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:00:07 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/7/14 1:59 PM, micky wrote:

snip

OTOH, he has a Mac. Does that make a difference?

It shouldn't.

You didn't say which computer was the Mac. If it's the desktop, and

The desktop he has now is a Mac, and so old it won't even run the
printer. And recently he found files it wouldnt' download because it
was so old. Mac OS 10.4, I think. I forget what aniimal that is.

Tiger. This iMac came with 10.5, Leopard. It's also the first Mac I've
ever bought.

relatively new (mine is 5.5 years old), wireless is built-in, unlike

Oh good. I think he bought a new Mac desktop 2 months ago but hasn't
had time to take it out of the box. Either the desktop or the printer,
he says, he's used two months of hte 12-month warranty and still doesn't
know if they work.

He keeps busy with his job and other worthwhile things. Often helping
other people, no less.

Windows desktops I've seen.



All of the solutions provided should work, but I networked my Windows
computers and this Mac, and attached the USB printer to the Mac. I have
a network printer now. I am not a wireless fan, so only my Win 7
netbook used wireless. When I wanted to print something from a Windows
computer, I just selected the printer, actually it was the default
printer, and printed. The downside in this type of scenario is the
computer that has the printer connected must be on.

He may leave his desktop on all the time. I was surprissed when I heard
that.

And possibly logged
in, I don't know for sure since the Mac was always on.

When I met him he had no computer at all, years after everyone else did.
Now he has a Mac that's gotten too old, one that's new but in the box,
and an Acer netbook running XP that I'm sure would work with the new
printer, but he doesn't use much. Oh, and an Ipad. And IIUC, he has
an Apple laptop still in the box. But he doesn't waste money in any
other way, and even this is small compared to most people.

If he has a new Mac desktop, a new Mac laptop, and an iPad, why bother
with the old stuff? It seems a waste of time to me.

See below.

Back when my Mac was new, I took it to my inlaws to show them a Mac.
They are all Windows users. Their son brought his HP XP laptop. It
took me about 10 minutes to get connected to their network. It took
their son 3 hours to get his XP laptop connected.

No joke.

I don't know if this is related. I took an old IBM Thinkpad on a car
trip to Dallas and most motels had a password I was supposed to enter.
I could almost never get it to work if there was a passwords. This was
running winME!

Now like my friend I have an Acer netbook running XP and it connects
just fine. The engine failed near Ashville, N.C and if I didn't have a
computer to shop for another car, I would have had to go buy one.

IMO, you guys are wasting your time with getting the old equipment to
work together.

No, I was talking about getting the new equipment installed and working.
He wants wireless so he can print easily from the laptop, wherever he is
at the time. I"m sorry I was confusing.

If you set up the new stuff, and if he has an Apple
account, all three Apple products should talk to each other without a
hitch. For Apple apps, lets say the notepad, if you enter something
into the notepad app on the desktop, in a couple of minutes the data you
entered will be downloaded to the laptop and iPad. And vice-versa.

Caveat... The age and model of the iPad may be an issue. I'm not a big
Apple user, no iPad, no iPhone, no iPod, etc. I don't buy a product
because it's Apple, I buy what fits my needs/desires/wants. My tablet
is a Google Nexus 7, which is Android. :-)


I ended up buying the wireless print server that no one else bid on, for
15 + 6 dolllars. It 's going to take months his new stuff running,
but this is a start.

?????? The last sentence isn't making any sense to me. It shouldn't
take much time at all to get the new stuff running, if it's all Apple.

It will because it's still in the box. It's been in the box for 2
months and will remain there who knows how long.

Unless the problem is one of simply getting together to do it. G

Yeah, that's it.

On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:46:02 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:


If there are two new Apple computers, I don't understand trying to get
Tiger and XP to work with the printer, unless they just want to make it
work for whatever reason. Something I've been known to do.

I'm not sure if he has an apple laptop. I lost track of his story, and
of course whatever he said, he may have returned it after that, if he
even bought one. (My own memory isn't so hot these days either.)

The only laptop I know he's used is the PC. I had him convinced that it
wouldn't be much effort to get out of bed and plug the rpinter into it
-- that was the first part of my OP, if just pulling the USB plug could
do any harm -- but he also though 21 dollars for the print server was
worth it.

On 12/9/14 2:41 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:46:02 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:


If there are two new Apple computers, I don't understand trying to get
Tiger and XP to work with the printer, unless they just want to make it
work for whatever reason. Something I've been known to do.

I'm not sure if he has an apple laptop. I lost track of his story, and
of course whatever he said, he may have returned it after that, if he
even bought one. (My own memory isn't so hot these days either.)

I know how this goes, I've given up trying to keep track of what goes on
with my inlaws systems. It's a case where the old adage (Too many cooks
spoil the pot.) is a perfect fit.

The only laptop I know he's used is the PC. I had him convinced that it
wouldn't be much effort to get out of bed and plug the rpinter into it
-- that was the first part of my OP, if just pulling the USB plug could
do any harm -- but he also though 21 dollars for the print server was
worth it.

As long as he doesn't want to share files without doing a modern day
version of sneakernet, it sounds like the print server is a great
solution for him.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 33.1
Thunderbird 31.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 12/9/14 2:35 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:42:49 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/8/14 9:29 PM, micky wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:00:07 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/7/14 1:59 PM, micky wrote:

snip

If he has a new Mac desktop, a new Mac laptop, and an iPad, why bother
with the old stuff? It seems a waste of time to me.

See below.

Back when my Mac was new, I took it to my inlaws to show them a Mac.
They are all Windows users. Their son brought his HP XP laptop. It
took me about 10 minutes to get connected to their network. It took
their son 3 hours to get his XP laptop connected.

No joke.

I don't know if this is related. I took an old IBM Thinkpad on a car
trip to Dallas and most motels had a password I was supposed to enter.
I could almost never get it to work if there was a passwords. This was
running winME!

Now like my friend I have an Acer netbook running XP and it connects
just fine. The engine failed near Ashville, N.C and if I didn't have a
computer to shop for another car, I would have had to go buy one.

In this case, and my nephew's case, hardware may also be part of the
problem.

I think this is a downside of the "open" way MS has done things, some
thing no one seems to talk about. Someone puts out an accessory card
that's somehow just a little bit different than what the programming
expects, and the system fails. But Apple's "walled garden" approach
seems to keep this to a minimum.

I was once rebuilding a Gateway desktop to give away, XP for the OS.
After installing OS updates, the computer would not shut down. Tracked
the issue down to a particular high security update. Leave it out,
worked fine. MS offered free tech support for this update, and I kept
escalating it up the food chain until I was dealing with MS engineers in
New Delhi, India, who finally gave up on the problem.

I'm no trained tech, but I sat and watched how the computer reacted, and
a couple weeks later I said to myself "I wonder what would happen
if.......") I put in an older Ethernet card, and everything worked fine.

IMO, you guys are wasting your time with getting the old equipment to
work together.

No, I was talking about getting the new equipment installed and working.
He wants wireless so he can print easily from the laptop, wherever he is
at the time. I"m sorry I was confusing.

Sorry here too, I should have said "getting the old equipment to work
together with the new printer.

If you set up the new stuff, and if he has an Apple
account, all three Apple products should talk to each other without a
hitch. For Apple apps, lets say the notepad, if you enter something
into the notepad app on the desktop, in a couple of minutes the data you
entered will be downloaded to the laptop and iPad. And vice-versa.

Caveat... The age and model of the iPad may be an issue. I'm not a big
Apple user, no iPad, no iPhone, no iPod, etc. I don't buy a product
because it's Apple, I buy what fits my needs/desires/wants. My tablet
is a Google Nexus 7, which is Android. :-)


I ended up buying the wireless print server that no one else bid on, for
15 + 6 dolllars. It 's going to take months his new stuff running,
but this is a start.

?????? The last sentence isn't making any sense to me. It shouldn't
take much time at all to get the new stuff running, if it's all Apple.

It will because it's still in the box. It's been in the box for 2
months and will remain there who knows how long.

And it will depend on how familiar you are with the Mac way of doing
things, too.

Unless the problem is one of simply getting together to do it. G

Yeah, that's it.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 33.1
Thunderbird 31.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article ,
micky wrote:

Oh, and an Ipad.

Micky-

Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even
though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which
only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB.

There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem
(PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers
that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within
other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They
have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing.

There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer
as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time
you want to print from the iPad.

Fred

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:48:34 -0500, Fred McKenzie wrote:

In article ,
micky wrote:

Oh, and an Ipad.

Micky-

Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even
though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which
only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB.

Ugh.

There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem
(PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers

(BTW, this reminds me. He doesn't have an apple laptop after all, I
think. He has an apple ipad, or whatever by apple is called a
tablet. I don't like to be pushy in helping him, because every guy
likes to do things themselves if they can. Plus I don't know much about
apple stuff. I'd like to learn, but on someone who is more desperate
than he is.)

that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within
other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They
have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing.

There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer
as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time
you want to print from the iPad.

He might be leaving it on anyhow. I wouldn't do that but I don't tell
him he shouldn't. And from what you say, it might turn out to be a good
thing.

I'll keep the words AirPrint in mind.

Fred

On 12/10/14 11:48 AM, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
micky wrote:

Oh, and an Ipad.

Micky-

Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even
though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which
only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB.

There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem
(PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers
that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within
other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They
have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing.

There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer
as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time
you want to print from the iPad.

Fred,

Does the iPad have a print to PDF option like OS X? I don't have an
iPad, so no clue.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 33.1
Thunderbird 31.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 12/10/14 7:48 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:48:34 -0500, Fred McKenzie wrote:

In article ,
micky wrote:

Oh, and an Ipad.

Micky-

Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even
though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which
only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB.

Ugh.

I should have asked Fred in my reply to him if this applies to all
iPads, or just some of the older ones.

There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem
(PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers

(BTW, this reminds me. He doesn't have an apple laptop after all, I
think. He has an apple ipad, or whatever by apple is called a
tablet. I don't like to be pushy in helping him, because every guy
likes to do things themselves if they can. Plus I don't know much about
apple stuff. I'd like to learn, but on someone who is more desperate
than he is.)

The iPad is Apple's tablet, and there's a smaller version called the
iPad Mini.

that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within
other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They
have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing.

There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer
as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time
you want to print from the iPad.

He might be leaving it on anyhow. I wouldn't do that but I don't tell
him he shouldn't. And from what you say, it might turn out to be a good
thing.

I'll keep the words AirPrint in mind.

Fred



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 33.1
Thunderbird 31.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article ,
Ken Springer wrote:

On 12/10/14 11:48 AM, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
micky wrote:

Oh, and an Ipad.

Micky-

Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even
though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which
only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB.

There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem
(PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers
that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within
other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They
have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing.

There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer
as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time
you want to print from the iPad.

Fred,

Does the iPad have a print to PDF option like OS X? I don't have an
iPad, so no clue.

Ken-

Yes, it applies to all iPads. The original iPad could not print when it
first came out. An early revision to the iOS added AirPrint capability.

I have an old iPad 2, but it runs the latest iOS 8.1.2. It does not
have a "print to PDF" option, but there are paid Apps that claim to
provide that. (I think PrintCentral can be upgraded to do that for a
price.)

One program that can share a computer printer as AirPrint over the
network, is Printopia (for Macintosh) at
http://www.ecamm.com/mac/printopia/.

If you need more info on iPads, try the comp.mobile.ipad newsgroup.
There is also an Apple forum at
https://discussions.apple.com/community/ipad/using_ipad.

Fred

On 12/12/14 1:34 PM, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
Ken Springer wrote:

On 12/10/14 11:48 AM, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
micky wrote:

Oh, and an Ipad.

Micky-

Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even
though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which
only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB.

There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem
(PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers
that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within
other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They
have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing.

There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer
as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time
you want to print from the iPad.

Fred,

Does the iPad have a print to PDF option like OS X? I don't have an
iPad, so no clue.

Ken-

Yes, it applies to all iPads. The original iPad could not print when it
first came out. An early revision to the iOS added AirPrint capability.

I have an old iPad 2, but it runs the latest iOS 8.1.2. It does not
have a "print to PDF" option, but there are paid Apps that claim to
provide that. (I think PrintCentral can be upgraded to do that for a
price.)

One program that can share a computer printer as AirPrint over the
network, is Printopia (for Macintosh) at
http://www.ecamm.com/mac/printopia/.

If you need more info on iPads, try the comp.mobile.ipad newsgroup.
There is also an Apple forum at
https://discussions.apple.com/community/ipad/using_ipad.

Thanks, Fred, I was just curious about the iPad. I had been planning on
buying an iPad Mini until I saw the Google Nexus 7. :-)



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 33.1
Thunderbird 31.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:18:12 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/9/14 2:35 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:42:49 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/8/14 9:29 PM, micky wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:00:07 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 12/7/14 1:59 PM, micky wrote:

snip

If he has a new Mac desktop, a new Mac laptop, and an iPad, why bother
with the old stuff? It seems a waste of time to me.

See below.

Back when my Mac was new, I took it to my inlaws to show them a Mac.
They are all Windows users. Their son brought his HP XP laptop. It
took me about 10 minutes to get connected to their network. It took
their son 3 hours to get his XP laptop connected.

No joke.

I don't know if this is related. I took an old IBM Thinkpad on a car
trip to Dallas and most motels had a password I was supposed to enter.
I could almost never get it to work if there was a passwords. This was
running winME!

Now like my friend I have an Acer netbook running XP and it connects
just fine. The engine failed near Ashville, N.C and if I didn't have a
computer to shop for another car, I would have had to go buy one.

In this case, and my nephew's case, hardware may also be part of the
problem.

I think this is a downside of the "open" way MS has done things, some
thing no one seems to talk about. Someone puts out an accessory card
that's somehow just a little bit different than what the programming
expects, and the system fails. But Apple's "walled garden" approach
seems to keep this to a minimum.

I was once rebuilding a Gateway desktop to give away, XP for the OS.
After installing OS updates, the computer would not shut down. Tracked
the issue down to a particular high security update. Leave it out,
worked fine. MS offered free tech support for this update, and I kept
escalating it up the food chain until I was dealing with MS engineers in
New Delhi, India, who finally gave up on the problem.

I'm no trained tech, but I sat and watched how the computer reacted, and
a couple weeks later I said to myself "I wonder what would happen
if.......") I put in an older Ethernet card, and everything worked fine.

I don't think I would have figured that out. I think you know more than
I do.

IMO, you guys are wasting your time with getting the old equipment to
work together.

No, I was talking about getting the new equipment installed and working.
He wants wireless so he can print easily from the laptop, wherever he is
at the time. I"m sorry I was confusing.

Sorry here too, I should have said "getting the old equipment to work
together with the new printer.

If you set up the new stuff, and if he has an Apple
account, all three Apple products should talk to each other without a
hitch. For Apple apps, lets say the notepad, if you enter something
into the notepad app on the desktop, in a couple of minutes the data you
entered will be downloaded to the laptop and iPad. And vice-versa.

Caveat... The age and model of the iPad may be an issue. I'm not a big
Apple user, no iPad, no iPhone, no iPod, etc. I don't buy a product
because it's Apple, I buy what fits my needs/desires/wants. My tablet
is a Google Nexus 7, which is Android. :-)


I ended up buying the wireless print server that no one else bid on, for
15 + 6 dolllars. It 's going to take months his new stuff running,
but this is a start.

?????? The last sentence isn't making any sense to me. It shouldn't
take much time at all to get the new stuff running, if it's all Apple.

It will because it's still in the box. It's been in the box for 2
months and will remain there who knows how long.

And it will depend on how familiar you are with the Mac way of doing
things, too.

Very little. Let me ask you a question. He was going away and worried
about burglars breaking in and stealing his computer. I told him a much
greater risk was harddrive failure and he should get a backup drive. He
said Yes. Because of what's below** I lent him a 1.5TB internal drive
and a BlacX caddy, and we connected it together and he bought and
installed SuperDuper. I tried to look at the backup it made, but
because I know so little about Mac, I didn't know if I was looking at
the original or thte backup. But he continued to run SuperDuper, with
scheduled backups. Months later something went wrong and his old in
and out email was missing. He looked, he said, on the backup and it
wasn't there either.

There seemed to be a chance that it had run and made the backup just
like the original, no email. But it wasn't scheduled to run. I
didn't know what to say or do.

A month ago when my harddrive started clicking, I rushed to get my HD
and caddy back to make full backups. I looked at the drive first and
it had no partitions. I'm not stupid enough to give it to him that
way, and he's not technical enough to delete a partition (but the
subject is a sore one with me, even though we talked often and he hasn't
complained again, so I haven't asked him.)

Then I found out that Mac and MS have no partition designs in common.
And I don't remember partitioning the drive at his house. I'm sure I
checked this before I gave the HD to him, but even if I didn't, how
could we/he run SuperDuper without its complaining that it couldn't
write to the harddrive. It didn't complain at all. And I know it
gave a list of drives to choose one for the To: drive and the external
drive was on the list.

What happened?


**I ordered one from the big store in NYC, J&R or the other one with two
initials. and after they shipped it, I read online that it didn't work
right with what he had, even though most of the same company's drives
did. They gave me my money back with no problem, but then I didn't buy
anything else.

Unless the problem is one of simply getting together to do it. G

Yeah, that's it.