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Registry Cleaner - does one exists?
: : One has to wonder why it is that with the internet at your fingertips : that you don't bother to research anything before you post your : erroneous information. : : John : : Laziness? : Trolls don't research. |
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Registry Cleaner - does one exists?
Speaking of a closed mind. You have been given data from a computer repair
shop owner indicating the hundreds of computers he has repaired that was caused by a 'registry cleaner'. Yet you refuse to accept that. Are you in the business of computer repair? Is that why you keep pushing registry cleaners? Perhaps YOU personally haven't been harmed by a registry cleaner but what about the hundreds that have? "Twayne" wrote in message ... Sage - John Leonard wrote: Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? thx lol, I KNEW the droids with the closed minds, nothing to back up their claims and misinformation would have to crawl out of the woodwork for this one and there it is. This is the one that keeps saying not to use a program written by someone who knows the registry and how to program, and instead use regedit, which you probably don't understand, to fix a registry, which you also probably don't understand. He talks like a fix to the registry is a one-location thing and it's done, when in fact there are usually many locations related to a possible program problem, each of which must be considered. But mostly he's a closed minded ignorant with a boilerplate he likes to use, adding a mod here & there sometimes to further differentiate it from where it was stolen from. Then, to back himself up, he provides links to discussions where he's used info very close to his boilerplate, and submitted by him. There is a small group of such ignorants here who get really upset at being called on their misinformation; they'll crawl into the pic soon here, I'm sure, because every time someone calls them they get more and more flustered and think that by repeating the same misinformation over and over someone might believe it. This post in particular is interesting in the way it conflicts with itself. But, it does make for a comedic moment should one bother to read it, or at least scan it quickly. Thanks for this opportunity Bruce, Twayne Bruce C spewed: There is no such thing as a "good" (meaning useful or beneficial) registry cleaner, free or otherwise. Some are less harmful than others, but because they're all nothing but snake oil, I won't recommend any. Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry "cleaner?" ... drivel snipped |
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Registry Cleaner - does one exists?
So don't use a program such as a registry cleaner that is totally unneeded
and potentially damaging. What is so hard to understand about that? "Twayne" wrote in message ... Even if YOU know exactly what you're doing, you don't know what the registry cleaner is doing. Nor do you know what most any of the programs on a machine are doing, starting from the point where they are installed and the registry hooks prepared. Which leads to: So? Avoid them. "CBoom" wrote in message ... I advise against using a registry cleaner unless you know exactly what you are doing -- For tips, tricks and tutorials visit my blog below: http://computerboom.blogspot.com "Sage - John Leonard" sagegrp@nowhere wrote in message ... Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? thx |
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Registry Cleaner - does one exists?
The best registry cleaner is your perseverance to reformat the HD and
reinstall the operating system. All other methods are completely futile and there is no evidence your system will improve at all. It is all in the the mind of nutters out there who claim that they work; take it from me - THEY DON'T!!! Sage - John Leonard wrote: Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? thx |
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Hey Ken,
What is a "snake oil" and have you seen one? Where do you buy one? Do they improve skin texture? Thanks. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:53:44 -0500, "Sage - John Leonard" sagegrp@nowhere wrote: Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? Although some are safer than others, none is completely safe and none is needed. You shouldn't run any of them. Here's my standard message on this subject: Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may have. Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Go to shopping.yahoo.com and search for snake oil.
"MVP*******" wrote in message ... Hey Ken, What is a "snake oil" and have you seen one? Where do you buy one? Do they improve skin texture? Thanks. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:53:44 -0500, "Sage - John Leonard" sagegrp@nowhere wrote: Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? Although some are safer than others, none is completely safe and none is needed. You shouldn't run any of them. Here's my standard message on this subject: Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may have. Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Twayne wrote:
Roy Smith wrote: "John John (MVP)" wrote in message ... No, these tools cause more harm than good. If you want to keep your Windows installation in good working order don't clean your registry with these useless programs! John Sage - John Leonard wrote: Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? If a registry cleaner is not safe, then why does Windows Live Onecare have one? http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm Perhaps you should ask why Onecare steadfastly refused to include a registry cleaner in its "paid for" version, maybe Onecare and the support team didn't want to deal with problems caused by useless registry cleaners. You should ask why any application that deals with user security and malicious pests surreptitiously enables ActiveX without asking or even informing unwary users that it has done so. And finally, you should ask yourself why Onecare is being discontinued. John And why it reappeared again. One has to wonder why it is that with the internet at your fingertips that you don't bother to research anything before you post your erroneous information. John lol, you're pathetic; ever hear of Morro? No? It's the 1 care replacement. Works with Vista too. But I wouldn't expect you to know anything that wasn't hand fed to you. |
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John John (MVP) wrote:
Twayne wrote: Roy Smith wrote: "John John (MVP)" wrote in message ... No, these tools cause more harm than good. If you want to keep your Windows installation in good working order don't clean your registry with these useless programs! John Sage - John Leonard wrote: Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? If a registry cleaner is not safe, then why does Windows Live Onecare have one? http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm Perhaps you should ask why Onecare steadfastly refused to include a registry cleaner in its "paid for" version, maybe Onecare and the support team didn't want to deal with problems caused by useless registry cleaners. You should ask why any application that deals with user security and malicious pests surreptitiously enables ActiveX without asking or even informing unwary users that it has done so. And finally, you should ask yourself why Onecare is being discontinued. John And why it reappeared again. One has to wonder why it is that with the internet at your fingertips that you don't bother to research anything before you post your erroneous information. John Laziness? And you're just as pathetic in your own ignorance, aren't you? John's wrong, you know. |
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One has to wonder why it is that with the
internet at your fingertips that you don't bother to research anything before you post your erroneous information. John Laziness? Trolls don't research. You don't? Hmm. |
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Registry Cleaner - does one exists?
So don't use a program such as a registry
cleaner that is totally unneeded and potentially damaging. What is so hard to understand about that? Nothing hard to understand at all: Your info is erroneous, not true and otherwise wrong. I use one of two different registry cleaners routinely. Have for years. NEVER a single problem. Unlike you intentional ignorants and sock puppets I actually take the time to know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the opportunity again, Twayne "Twayne" wrote in message ... Even if YOU know exactly what you're doing, you don't know what the registry cleaner is doing. Nor do you know what most any of the programs on a machine are doing, starting from the point where they are installed and the registry hooks prepared. Which leads to: So? Avoid them. "CBoom" wrote in message ... I advise against using a registry cleaner unless you know exactly what you are doing -- For tips, tricks and tutorials visit my blog below: http://computerboom.blogspot.com "Sage - John Leonard" sagegrp@nowhere wrote in message ... Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? thx |
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bruce knows better and
enjoys the argument..: ) No problem; I enjoy pointing out his ignorance anyway and he makes it so easy. He's pretty much known to all who visit here now as pretty pathetic, along with some of his socks who love the smell in there. If he bothered me I'd just ignore him. He only has the one song anymore online and doesn't seem to post on anything else so he's apparently become pretty obsessed with his misinformation crusade. I probably should pity him, but I don't and won't as long as he spews misinformation. He used to post on other subjects and usually was pretty accurate but lately ... . I wouldn't put to much time in arguing with him, especially since he has already admitted to using ccleaner regulary. Yeah, I've noticed he's been trying to mediate his boilerplate lately over time with a little change here and another there. He's made such a mess of his boilerplate he's even contradicting himself in it lately. Apparently I hit a nerve when I came across his plagairism awhile back. His boilerplate at that time was word for word from another person's writings. I don't put much time into arguing with him, believe me. It doesn't take long to jot off a few words about his erroneous statements. Just enough to feel satisfied that he's been exposed again and to keep him from misinforming too many more newbies. He's a strange duck, that's for certain. Cheers, Twayne "Twayne" wrote in message ... Sage - John Leonard wrote: Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? thx lol, I KNEW the droids with the closed minds, nothing to back up their claims and misinformation would have to crawl out of the woodwork for this one and there it is. This is the one that keeps saying not to use a program written by someone who knows the registry and how to program, and instead use regedit, which you probably don't understand, to fix a registry, which you also probably don't understand. He talks like a fix to the registry is a one-location thing and it's done, when in fact there are usually many locations related to a possible program problem, each of which must be considered. But mostly he's a closed minded ignorant with a boilerplate he likes to use, adding a mod here & there sometimes to further differentiate it from where it was stolen from. Then, to back himself up, he provides links to discussions where he's used info very close to his boilerplate, and submitted by him. There is a small group of such ignorants here who get really upset at being called on their misinformation; they'll crawl into the pic soon here, I'm sure, because every time someone calls them they get more and more flustered and think that by repeating the same misinformation over and over someone might believe it. This post in particular is interesting in the way it conflicts with itself. But, it does make for a comedic moment should one bother to read it, or at least scan it quickly. Thanks for this opportunity Bruce, Twayne Bruce C spewed: There is no such thing as a "good" (meaning useful or beneficial) registry cleaner, free or otherwise. Some are less harmful than others, but because they're all nothing but snake oil, I won't recommend any. Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry "cleaner?" ... drivel snipped |
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Speaking of a closed mind. You have been given
data from a computer repair shop owner indicating the hundreds of computers he has repaired that was caused by a 'registry cleaner'. Yet you refuse to accept that. No, as a matter of fact, I have never seen any such information here. Since you're obviously talking about your friend Bruce: As for "a" registry cleaner causing problems, sure, that's entirely possible, but he's never said so and never given anything at all to support his views. Nada, zip, nothing. I could probably download a few registry cleaners right now that would cause problems, but .... I could also download a LOT of other programs too, that caused problems. As with anything else, you have to consider the reputation and history of the sites you download from. He has absolutely no basis to state that no reg clnr ever does any good and "all" will cause problems and "all" are "snakeoil", which by the way is one of his plagairisms. And so on. Are you in the business of computer repair? Is that why you keep pushing registry cleaners? Show me anywhere where I've "pushed" registry cleaners: You cannot. I simply reply to his misinformational statements. He tells a lie, I correct it. It's that simple. Perhaps YOU personally haven't been harmed by a registry cleaner but what about the hundreds that have? And how about the millions who have been "harmed" by XP, or win98, or Linux, or whatever? My long experience and related research has NEVER shown any support for his claims and he has never backed them up in any way. Since I haven't had any cleaner problems on the many machines I've owned and still own and operate, plus the many I've serviced and worked on, without ever a single problem, I'd say that's a pretty good record, especially when you consider the millions of people with the same experience and who have read the same articles and white papers on the subject. You might do well to do the same thing yourself; gather information on your own and learn about what the situation really is. Stop allowing other people to do your thinking for you. Even if you believe what a person tells you, if you feel it's important, you still should go out and verify/clarify it for yourself. I imagine you're too lazy to do that and need everything handed to you, but you would come away from the experience with a new appreciation for software authors and what they can accomplish when they create well written, well planned and executed code, of which several registry cleaners and other programs show. A few years back when I first came across Brucie I thought he might be on to something. But his refusal to support any of his claims even that far back, and his increasing vehemence on the subject opened the doors for me to recheck a lot of my prior information and, when compared to my own and several other's experiences, he came off as a simple, purposely ignorant closed mind who probably had ONE problem with ONE registry cleaner and decided that they all were bad. His only purpose is vengence, not to expose any relevant, true information. So as long as he keeps posting his erroneous crap and if I come across it, I will expose it for the junk information it is and the ignorant that he is. So, I'm happy to say that now, since people are almost afraid to mention a registry cleaner here, they then will not be subjected to his trash, and if they are, and he does it here or wherever I might come across him, I'll continue to expose him. You probably think this is a lot of text for such a minor subject, but it's not. I'm a touch typist and spit these things out quickly, nearly as fast as I think the words. It's to the point now where I actually enjoy exposing his misinformation so it's not a job at all, but rather a labor of love to see that accurate informaiton is protrayed here. Cheers sock, Twayne "Twayne" wrote in message ... Sage - John Leonard wrote: Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? thx lol, I KNEW the droids with the closed minds, nothing to back up their claims and misinformation would have to crawl out of the woodwork for this one and there it is. This is the one that keeps saying not to use a program written by someone who knows the registry and how to program, and instead use regedit, which you probably don't understand, to fix a registry, which you also probably don't understand. He talks like a fix to the registry is a one-location thing and it's done, when in fact there are usually many locations related to a possible program problem, each of which must be considered. But mostly he's a closed minded ignorant with a boilerplate he likes to use, adding a mod here & there sometimes to further differentiate it from where it was stolen from. Then, to back himself up, he provides links to discussions where he's used info very close to his boilerplate, and submitted by him. There is a small group of such ignorants here who get really upset at being called on their misinformation; they'll crawl into the pic soon here, I'm sure, because every time someone calls them they get more and more flustered and think that by repeating the same misinformation over and over someone might believe it. This post in particular is interesting in the way it conflicts with itself. But, it does make for a comedic moment should one bother to read it, or at least scan it quickly. Thanks for this opportunity Bruce, Twayne Bruce C spewed: There is no such thing as a "good" (meaning useful or beneficial) registry cleaner, free or otherwise. Some are less harmful than others, but because they're all nothing but snake oil, I won't recommend any. Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry "cleaner?" ... drivel snipped |
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Twayne wrote:
Twayne wrote: "John John (MVP)" ...you should ask yourself why Onecare is being discontinued. And why it reappeared again. One has to wonder why it is that with the internet at your fingertips that you don't bother to research anything before you post your erroneous information. lol, you're pathetic; ever hear of Morro? No? It's the 1 care replacement. Works with Vista too. But I wouldn't expect you to know anything that wasn't hand fed to you. One care has not yet "disappeared", Microsoft has announced that it will be discontinued sometimes in the second half of 2009 and that in its place they will offer a very different, free AV product called Morro. If Onecare has not yet "disappeared" how could it have reappeared? When and where did you see this "reappearance"? And have you actually downloaded and used Morro? What do you know about Morro? What does it look like? Does it have the same "features" as Onecare? Does it include a registry cleaner? Where did you say you downloaded it from? How did you get your hands on this Morro so that you could take it for a test drive on your Vista machine? Once again, as usual, you don't have a clue about anything so you invent things and make up stories to fit your opinions and then you blow bubbles through your hat. And once again instead of going on the internet and doing your research you have instead decided to post more fud and you have yet made an even bigger dunce of yourself than anyone here thought possible. John |
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You THINK you know what you're talking about. How sadly mistaken you are.
"Twayne" wrote in message ... So don't use a program such as a registry cleaner that is totally unneeded and potentially damaging. What is so hard to understand about that? Nothing hard to understand at all: Your info is erroneous, not true and otherwise wrong. I use one of two different registry cleaners routinely. Have for years. NEVER a single problem. Unlike you intentional ignorants and sock puppets I actually take the time to know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the opportunity again, Twayne "Twayne" wrote in message ... Even if YOU know exactly what you're doing, you don't know what the registry cleaner is doing. Nor do you know what most any of the programs on a machine are doing, starting from the point where they are installed and the registry hooks prepared. Which leads to: So? Avoid them. "CBoom" wrote in message ... I advise against using a registry cleaner unless you know exactly what you are doing -- For tips, tricks and tutorials visit my blog below: http://computerboom.blogspot.com "Sage - John Leonard" sagegrp@nowhere wrote in message ... Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? thx |
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Sorry, You are not pointing out his ignorance you are merely displaying
yours. "Twayne" wrote in message ... bruce knows better and enjoys the argument..: ) No problem; I enjoy pointing out his ignorance anyway and he makes it so easy. He's pretty much known to all who visit here now as pretty pathetic, along with some of his socks who love the smell in there. If he bothered me I'd just ignore him. He only has the one song anymore online and doesn't seem to post on anything else so he's apparently become pretty obsessed with his misinformation crusade. I probably should pity him, but I don't and won't as long as he spews misinformation. He used to post on other subjects and usually was pretty accurate but lately ... . I wouldn't put to much time in arguing with him, especially since he has already admitted to using ccleaner regulary. Yeah, I've noticed he's been trying to mediate his boilerplate lately over time with a little change here and another there. He's made such a mess of his boilerplate he's even contradicting himself in it lately. Apparently I hit a nerve when I came across his plagairism awhile back. His boilerplate at that time was word for word from another person's writings. I don't put much time into arguing with him, believe me. It doesn't take long to jot off a few words about his erroneous statements. Just enough to feel satisfied that he's been exposed again and to keep him from misinforming too many more newbies. He's a strange duck, that's for certain. Cheers, Twayne "Twayne" wrote in message ... Sage - John Leonard wrote: Is there a safe registry cleaner out there, that will work with Vista and XP? What about RegDefense? thx lol, I KNEW the droids with the closed minds, nothing to back up their claims and misinformation would have to crawl out of the woodwork for this one and there it is. This is the one that keeps saying not to use a program written by someone who knows the registry and how to program, and instead use regedit, which you probably don't understand, to fix a registry, which you also probably don't understand. He talks like a fix to the registry is a one-location thing and it's done, when in fact there are usually many locations related to a possible program problem, each of which must be considered. But mostly he's a closed minded ignorant with a boilerplate he likes to use, adding a mod here & there sometimes to further differentiate it from where it was stolen from. Then, to back himself up, he provides links to discussions where he's used info very close to his boilerplate, and submitted by him. There is a small group of such ignorants here who get really upset at being called on their misinformation; they'll crawl into the pic soon here, I'm sure, because every time someone calls them they get more and more flustered and think that by repeating the same misinformation over and over someone might believe it. This post in particular is interesting in the way it conflicts with itself. But, it does make for a comedic moment should one bother to read it, or at least scan it quickly. Thanks for this opportunity Bruce, Twayne Bruce C spewed: There is no such thing as a "good" (meaning useful or beneficial) registry cleaner, free or otherwise. Some are less harmful than others, but because they're all nothing but snake oil, I won't recommend any. Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry "cleaner?" ... drivel snipped |
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