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DVD burner vanished
I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday.
When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N -- regards, |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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Linea Recta wrote:
I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N It helps to know what "interfering" software you've installed. Tools which mount virtual CD images, can upset burner operation. Don't know about tray buttons though. http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/f19/dvd...nt-open-29555/ On Linux and Unix boxes, the tray button can be disabled, to prevent media with "busy" files, from being removed and causing the dependent software to crash. So as far as the phenomenon of a button that doesn't work goes, this is not unexpected. The button can be disabled by software quite easily. It's not like the button is just tied to the tray motor directly. If you boot a Linux LiveCD for example, by default the button on the tray of the drive with that CD in it, will be disabled. Sometimes it can be a hardware failure, but your BIOS check shows that's not the case. Paul |
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"Paul" schreef in bericht
... Linea Recta wrote: I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N It helps to know what "interfering" software you've installed. Tools which mount virtual CD images, can upset burner operation. Don't know about tray buttons though. http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/f19/dvd...nt-open-29555/ On Linux and Unix boxes, the tray button can be disabled, to prevent media with "busy" files, from being removed and causing the dependent software to crash. So as far as the phenomenon of a button that doesn't work goes, this is not unexpected. The button can be disabled by software quite easily. It's not like the button is just tied to the tray motor directly. If you boot a Linux LiveCD for example, by default the button on the tray of the drive with that CD in it, will be disabled. Sometimes it can be a hardware failure, but your BIOS check shows that's not the case. I now write from my notebook. The PC has been having bizarre behavior this evening, being clicking sounds (I suppose one of the hard disks) and spontaneous rebooting. The DVD burner itself must be OK, because I could boot up from a Macrium Reflect boot DVD. This is bad news, I suppose old fashioned IDE hard drives are not sold anymore I suppose? A glimpse at the concerning PC: -- regards PC Windows XP Pro SP3 - mobo: Asus P4B266 - cpu: Intel P4 1,6 GHz. - RAM: 1512 MB. - video: Matrox Marvel G450eTV 32 MB. (AGP) - monitor: 19-inch Medion Akoya MD 20119 - sound: SB Audigy 1394 (PCI) - hd: 2 X Maxtor 60 GB. - DVD/CD-ROM: Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1712 - DVD+RW/+R: LG GSA-H44N - analog: Dynalink Lucent Win Modem 56k6 (PCI) - printer: HP DeskJet 720C (parallel) - scanner: HP ScanJet 2200C (USB) - keyb: PS/2 MS Internet Keyboard - mouse: Logitech Pilot Wheel Mouse Optical (USB) - webcam: Logitech QuickCam Zoom (USB) - removables: Maxtor One Touch 120 GB (USB) - Medion 500 GB (USB) - Iomega ZipDrive 100 (parallel) |
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Linea Recta wrote:
"Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N It helps to know what "interfering" software you've installed. Tools which mount virtual CD images, can upset burner operation. Don't know about tray buttons though. http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/f19/dvd...nt-open-29555/ On Linux and Unix boxes, the tray button can be disabled, to prevent media with "busy" files, from being removed and causing the dependent software to crash. So as far as the phenomenon of a button that doesn't work goes, this is not unexpected. The button can be disabled by software quite easily. It's not like the button is just tied to the tray motor directly. If you boot a Linux LiveCD for example, by default the button on the tray of the drive with that CD in it, will be disabled. Sometimes it can be a hardware failure, but your BIOS check shows that's not the case. I now write from my notebook. The PC has been having bizarre behavior this evening, being clicking sounds (I suppose one of the hard disks) and spontaneous rebooting. The DVD burner itself must be OK, because I could boot up from a Macrium Reflect boot DVD. This is bad news, I suppose old fashioned IDE hard drives are not sold anymore I suppose? A glimpse at the concerning PC: A good root cause, is +12V power supply rail out of spec. That makes the clicking noise. This can be caused by placing too many heavy loads on one Molex chain. I had that happen when my ATI video card was powered by the same Molex power cable chain, as several hard drives. The hard drives started clicking. Once the video card was put on its own chain, there was "peace in the valley". But if the power supply is going out, then a slightly low (11V on 12V rail) power output, can be enough to upset storage. Think back to what wiring changes you've made recently. It could be you reconfigured the wiring, while adding storage. Also, if it is the power supply failing, twice now I've received advanced warning. If you use fixed speed fans in the computer, you'll notice the fixed speed fans start to "wander", and go up and down in frequency slightly. The human ear is sensitive to the tone of the fan. On my first power supply failure, I noticed the fans started to wander, many days before the power supply no longer had enough +12V to do anything. The last time I tested that (failed) supply, it can't even put out 1 amp of current on +12V, before the output voltage begins to drop. So the output became very weak, and the current now, isn't even enough to run one disk drive all by itself. If you sit the supply on the bench, with no load, all the voltage read right. But if you put even a tiny electrical load on it, it goes out of spec. It's more suited to running a flashlight bulb now, than 100-200 watts of computer gear. At least it didn't "blow" and take stuff with it. Paul |
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"Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: "Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N It helps to know what "interfering" software you've installed. Tools which mount virtual CD images, can upset burner operation. Don't know about tray buttons though. http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/f19/dvd...nt-open-29555/ On Linux and Unix boxes, the tray button can be disabled, to prevent media with "busy" files, from being removed and causing the dependent software to crash. So as far as the phenomenon of a button that doesn't work goes, this is not unexpected. The button can be disabled by software quite easily. It's not like the button is just tied to the tray motor directly. If you boot a Linux LiveCD for example, by default the button on the tray of the drive with that CD in it, will be disabled. Sometimes it can be a hardware failure, but your BIOS check shows that's not the case. I now write from my notebook. The PC has been having bizarre behavior this evening, being clicking sounds (I suppose one of the hard disks) and spontaneous rebooting. The DVD burner itself must be OK, because I could boot up from a Macrium Reflect boot DVD. This is bad news, I suppose old fashioned IDE hard drives are not sold anymore I suppose? A glimpse at the concerning PC: A good root cause, is +12V power supply rail out of spec. That makes the clicking noise. This can be caused by placing too many heavy loads on one Molex chain. I had that happen when my ATI video card was powered by the same Molex power cable chain, as several hard drives. The hard drives started clicking. Once the video card was put on its own chain, there was "peace in the valley". But if the power supply is going out, then a slightly low (11V on 12V rail) power output, can be enough to upset storage. Think back to what wiring changes you've made recently. It could be you reconfigured the wiring, while adding storage. I have made no hardware changes recently. About a year ago I replaced the power supply. I think I even posted that event in this group. Since that time everything worked fine. I have now extracted the "bad tooth" being drive D: which was configured as primary slave. Luckily this wasn't the system drive. I can still boot from C: and I have changed the swap file back to C: again. Also, both DVD devices work again. The hard drives were both Maxtor 6L060J3 IDE/ATA 60 GB. I had the drives monitored by 'Hard disk sentinel' and already noticed some time ago that D: was reported as less than 100%. For C: it still reports 'exellent' at this time. Also, if it is the power supply failing, twice now I've received advanced warning. If you use fixed speed fans in the computer, you'll notice the fixed speed fans start to "wander", and go up and down in frequency slightly. The human ear is sensitive to the tone of the fan. On my first power supply failure, I noticed the fans started to wander, many days before the power supply no longer had enough +12V to do anything. The last time I tested that (failed) supply, it can't even put out 1 amp of current on +12V, before the output voltage begins to drop. So the output became very weak, and the current now, isn't even enough to run one disk drive all by itself. If you sit the supply on the bench, with no load, all the voltage read right. But if you put even a tiny electrical load on it, it goes out of spec. It's more suited to running a flashlight bulb now, than 100-200 watts of computer gear. At least it didn't "blow" and take stuff with it. That sounds like a 'burn out'. BTW I feel like that myself :-(( For the moment I assume it's not the power supply, because I'm not going to replace the power supply on a yearly basis. Some time ago I wrote here about an old hard disk with a broken IDE pin, wondering wether the drive would still work. I tried it as a replacement, but it was not detected in any way by the BIOS. So tha's another drive I can throw away. If I can't find some replacement for the broken hard disk, It's inevitable I'll have to look out for a modern PC... -- regards, |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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Linea Recta wrote:
"Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: "Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N It helps to know what "interfering" software you've installed. Tools which mount virtual CD images, can upset burner operation. Don't know about tray buttons though. http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/f19/dvd...nt-open-29555/ On Linux and Unix boxes, the tray button can be disabled, to prevent media with "busy" files, from being removed and causing the dependent software to crash. So as far as the phenomenon of a button that doesn't work goes, this is not unexpected. The button can be disabled by software quite easily. It's not like the button is just tied to the tray motor directly. If you boot a Linux LiveCD for example, by default the button on the tray of the drive with that CD in it, will be disabled. Sometimes it can be a hardware failure, but your BIOS check shows that's not the case. I now write from my notebook. The PC has been having bizarre behavior this evening, being clicking sounds (I suppose one of the hard disks) and spontaneous rebooting. The DVD burner itself must be OK, because I could boot up from a Macrium Reflect boot DVD. This is bad news, I suppose old fashioned IDE hard drives are not sold anymore I suppose? A glimpse at the concerning PC: A good root cause, is +12V power supply rail out of spec. That makes the clicking noise. This can be caused by placing too many heavy loads on one Molex chain. I had that happen when my ATI video card was powered by the same Molex power cable chain, as several hard drives. The hard drives started clicking. Once the video card was put on its own chain, there was "peace in the valley". But if the power supply is going out, then a slightly low (11V on 12V rail) power output, can be enough to upset storage. Think back to what wiring changes you've made recently. It could be you reconfigured the wiring, while adding storage. I have made no hardware changes recently. About a year ago I replaced the power supply. I think I even posted that event in this group. Since that time everything worked fine. I have now extracted the "bad tooth" being drive D: which was configured as primary slave. Luckily this wasn't the system drive. I can still boot from C: and I have changed the swap file back to C: again. Also, both DVD devices work again. The hard drives were both Maxtor 6L060J3 IDE/ATA 60 GB. I had the drives monitored by 'Hard disk sentinel' and already noticed some time ago that D: was reported as less than 100%. For C: it still reports 'exellent' at this time. Also, if it is the power supply failing, twice now I've received advanced warning. If you use fixed speed fans in the computer, you'll notice the fixed speed fans start to "wander", and go up and down in frequency slightly. The human ear is sensitive to the tone of the fan. On my first power supply failure, I noticed the fans started to wander, many days before the power supply no longer had enough +12V to do anything. The last time I tested that (failed) supply, it can't even put out 1 amp of current on +12V, before the output voltage begins to drop. So the output became very weak, and the current now, isn't even enough to run one disk drive all by itself. If you sit the supply on the bench, with no load, all the voltage read right. But if you put even a tiny electrical load on it, it goes out of spec. It's more suited to running a flashlight bulb now, than 100-200 watts of computer gear. At least it didn't "blow" and take stuff with it. That sounds like a 'burn out'. BTW I feel like that myself :-(( For the moment I assume it's not the power supply, because I'm not going to replace the power supply on a yearly basis. Some time ago I wrote here about an old hard disk with a broken IDE pin, wondering wether the drive would still work. I tried it as a replacement, but it was not detected in any way by the BIOS. So tha's another drive I can throw away. If I can't find some replacement for the broken hard disk, It's inevitable I'll have to look out for a modern PC... 1) There are still IDE drives for sale. They've been out of production for some time, so it's hard to say where they're coming from. 2) You can also use a SATA drive, and put an adapter in the back of it. I have one of these, and so far it's worked with everything I tried it on. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812200156 StarTech IDE2SAT The black part goes into the new SATA drive. The bare gold pins on the back, are for a 40 pin IDE connector. It's a bit hard to get the connector on and off the gold pins. There is a "Master:Slave" jumper as well. So if you want, you can buy two of those, two SATA drives, and connect two SATA drives to one 80 wire IDE cable. Comes with power cable in the box, for daisy chain connecting it. http://ca.startech.com/media/img/pro.../IDE2SAT.C.jpg The main impediment to drive shopping, is whether your system has any drive capacity limits. My oldest system, only drives up to 137GB work properly. It was limited to 64GB or so, before the BIOS flash update. Most other systems here, work past that point. Really old systems, might freeze if a 33GB or larger drive was connected, in which case you could try the IDE jumper block "CLIP" jumper. That jumper changes the geometry declaration enough, to make the drive work. This is an example of a weird one. It claims to be a 7200.10 generation drive, yet it has an IDE controller. 80GB capacity. So they're still selling IDE drives. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148236 HTH, Paul |
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote:
This is an example of a weird one. It claims to be a 7200.10 generation drive, yet it has an IDE controller. 80GB capacity. So they're still selling IDE drives. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148236 Ouch, they really punish you on the price. 80 GB for $100. |
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote: This is an example of a weird one. It claims to be a 7200.10 generation drive, yet it has an IDE controller. 80GB capacity. So they're still selling IDE drives. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148236 Ouch, they really punish you on the price. 80 GB for $100. Yup. You really have to love that old computer. I'd probably have trouble finding that disk locally, as the big box stores won't touch IDE now. And I think my usual supplier of hard drives, doesn't have any IDE left either. So when you find some product, you really can't complain too much. If you have to repair someones old machine, without screwing with it too much, it's probably not that bad a deal. Not everyone wants my style of "adapter solution". And mechanically, there isn't always room to fit an adapter. Some of the smaller cases wouldn't allow it. My Sonata with the side mount trays, I don't think it would fit in there. Even regular drives, the side panel presses on the cabling. Paul |
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On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:36:23 +0200, "Linea Recta" wrote:
I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N 1. Click Start, and then click Run. 2. In the Open box, type regedit, and then click OK. 3. In the navigation pane, locate and then click the following registry subkey: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} 4. In the right pane, click UpperFilters. Note You may also see an UpperFilters.bak registry entry. You do not have to remove that entry. Click UpperFilters only. If you do not see the UpperFilters registry entry, you still might have to remove the LowerFilters registry entry. To do this, go to step 7. 5. On the Edit menu, click Delete. 6. When you are prompted to confirm the deletion, click Yes. 7. In the right pane, click LowerFilters. Note If you do not see the LowerFilters registry entry, unfortunately this content cannot help you any further. 8. On the Edit menu, click Delete. 9. When you are prompted to confirm the deletion, click Yes. 10. Exit Registry Editor. 11. Restart the computer. Unk |
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"Unk" schreef in bericht
news On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:36:23 +0200, "Linea Recta" wrote: I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N 1. Click Start, and then click Run. 2. In the Open box, type regedit, and then click OK. 3. In the navigation pane, locate and then click the following registry subkey: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} 4. In the right pane, click UpperFilters. Note You may also see an UpperFilters.bak registry entry. You do not have to remove that entry. Click UpperFilters only. If you do not see the UpperFilters registry entry, you still might have to remove the LowerFilters registry entry. To do this, go to step 7. 5. On the Edit menu, click Delete. 6. When you are prompted to confirm the deletion, click Yes. 7. In the right pane, click LowerFilters. Note If you do not see the LowerFilters registry entry, unfortunately this content cannot help you any further. 8. On the Edit menu, click Delete. 9. When you are prompted to confirm the deletion, click Yes. 10. Exit Registry Editor. 11. Restart the computer. Unk I had this done yesterday by Fixit, which did not find any problem... -- regards, |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:39:31 +0200, "Linea Recta" wrote:
1. Click Start, and then click Run. 2. In the Open box, type regedit, and then click OK. 3. In the navigation pane, locate and then click the following registry subkey: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} 4. In the right pane, click UpperFilters. Note You may also see an UpperFilters.bak registry entry. You do not have to remove that entry. Click UpperFilters only. If you do not see the UpperFilters registry entry, you still mighthave to remove the LowerFilters registry entry. To do this, go to step 7. 5. On the Edit menu, click Delete. 6. When you are prompted to confirm the deletion, click Yes. 7. In the right pane, click LowerFilters. Note If you do not see the LowerFilters registry entry, unfortunately this content cannot help you any further. 8. On the Edit menu, click Delete. 9. When you are prompted to confirm the deletion, click Yes. 10. Exit Registry Editor. 11. Restart the computer. Unk I had this done yesterday by Fixit, which did not find any problem... Did you manually check to see if it actually deleted those filters??? Unk |
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"Paul" schreef in bericht
... Linea Recta wrote: "Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: "Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N It helps to know what "interfering" software you've installed. Tools which mount virtual CD images, can upset burner operation. Don't know about tray buttons though. http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/f19/dvd...nt-open-29555/ On Linux and Unix boxes, the tray button can be disabled, to prevent media with "busy" files, from being removed and causing the dependent software to crash. So as far as the phenomenon of a button that doesn't work goes, this is not unexpected. The button can be disabled by software quite easily. It's not like the button is just tied to the tray motor directly. If you boot a Linux LiveCD for example, by default the button on the tray of the drive with that CD in it, will be disabled. Sometimes it can be a hardware failure, but your BIOS check shows that's not the case. I now write from my notebook. The PC has been having bizarre behavior this evening, being clicking sounds (I suppose one of the hard disks) and spontaneous rebooting. The DVD burner itself must be OK, because I could boot up from a Macrium Reflect boot DVD. This is bad news, I suppose old fashioned IDE hard drives are not sold anymore I suppose? A glimpse at the concerning PC: A good root cause, is +12V power supply rail out of spec. That makes the clicking noise. This can be caused by placing too many heavy loads on one Molex chain. I had that happen when my ATI video card was powered by the same Molex power cable chain, as several hard drives. The hard drives started clicking. Once the video card was put on its own chain, there was "peace in the valley". But if the power supply is going out, then a slightly low (11V on 12V rail) power output, can be enough to upset storage. Think back to what wiring changes you've made recently. It could be you reconfigured the wiring, while adding storage. I have made no hardware changes recently. About a year ago I replaced the power supply. I think I even posted that event in this group. Since that time everything worked fine. I have now extracted the "bad tooth" being drive D: which was configured as primary slave. Luckily this wasn't the system drive. I can still boot from C: and I have changed the swap file back to C: again. Also, both DVD devices work again. The hard drives were both Maxtor 6L060J3 IDE/ATA 60 GB. I had the drives monitored by 'Hard disk sentinel' and already noticed some time ago that D: was reported as less than 100%. For C: it still reports 'exellent' at this time. Also, if it is the power supply failing, twice now I've received advanced warning. If you use fixed speed fans in the computer, you'll notice the fixed speed fans start to "wander", and go up and down in frequency slightly. The human ear is sensitive to the tone of the fan. On my first power supply failure, I noticed the fans started to wander, many days before the power supply no longer had enough +12V to do anything. The last time I tested that (failed) supply, it can't even put out 1 amp of current on +12V, before the output voltage begins to drop. So the output became very weak, and the current now, isn't even enough to run one disk drive all by itself. If you sit the supply on the bench, with no load, all the voltage read right. But if you put even a tiny electrical load on it, it goes out of spec. It's more suited to running a flashlight bulb now, than 100-200 watts of computer gear. At least it didn't "blow" and take stuff with it. That sounds like a 'burn out'. BTW I feel like that myself :-(( For the moment I assume it's not the power supply, because I'm not going to replace the power supply on a yearly basis. Some time ago I wrote here about an old hard disk with a broken IDE pin, wondering wether the drive would still work. I tried it as a replacement, but it was not detected in any way by the BIOS. So tha's another drive I can throw away. If I can't find some replacement for the broken hard disk, It's inevitable I'll have to look out for a modern PC... 1) There are still IDE drives for sale. They've been out of production for some time, so it's hard to say where they're coming from. 2) You can also use a SATA drive, and put an adapter in the back of it. I have one of these, and so far it's worked with everything I tried it on. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812200156 StarTech IDE2SAT The black part goes into the new SATA drive. The bare gold pins on the back, are for a 40 pin IDE connector. It's a bit hard to get the connector on and off the gold pins. There is a "Master:Slave" jumper as well. So if you want, you can buy two of those, two SATA drives, and connect two SATA drives to one 80 wire IDE cable. Comes with power cable in the box, for daisy chain connecting it. http://ca.startech.com/media/img/pro.../IDE2SAT.C.jpg The main impediment to drive shopping, is whether your system has any drive capacity limits. My oldest system, only drives up to 137GB work properly. It I have been looking in the mainboard manual but I can't find any hard information about drive capacity limit. Asus P4B266 - cpu: Intel P4 1,6 GHz. - RAM: 1512 MB -- regards, |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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Linea Recta wrote:
"Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: "Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: "Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N It helps to know what "interfering" software you've installed. Tools which mount virtual CD images, can upset burner operation. Don't know about tray buttons though. http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/f19/dvd...nt-open-29555/ On Linux and Unix boxes, the tray button can be disabled, to prevent media with "busy" files, from being removed and causing the dependent software to crash. So as far as the phenomenon of a button that doesn't work goes, this is not unexpected. The button can be disabled by software quite easily. It's not like the button is just tied to the tray motor directly. If you boot a Linux LiveCD for example, by default the button on the tray of the drive with that CD in it, will be disabled. Sometimes it can be a hardware failure, but your BIOS check shows that's not the case. I now write from my notebook. The PC has been having bizarre behavior this evening, being clicking sounds (I suppose one of the hard disks) and spontaneous rebooting. The DVD burner itself must be OK, because I could boot up from a Macrium Reflect boot DVD. This is bad news, I suppose old fashioned IDE hard drives are not sold anymore I suppose? A glimpse at the concerning PC: A good root cause, is +12V power supply rail out of spec. That makes the clicking noise. This can be caused by placing too many heavy loads on one Molex chain. I had that happen when my ATI video card was powered by the same Molex power cable chain, as several hard drives. The hard drives started clicking. Once the video card was put on its own chain, there was "peace in the valley". But if the power supply is going out, then a slightly low (11V on 12V rail) power output, can be enough to upset storage. Think back to what wiring changes you've made recently. It could be you reconfigured the wiring, while adding storage. I have made no hardware changes recently. About a year ago I replaced the power supply. I think I even posted that event in this group. Since that time everything worked fine. I have now extracted the "bad tooth" being drive D: which was configured as primary slave. Luckily this wasn't the system drive. I can still boot from C: and I have changed the swap file back to C: again. Also, both DVD devices work again. The hard drives were both Maxtor 6L060J3 IDE/ATA 60 GB. I had the drives monitored by 'Hard disk sentinel' and already noticed some time ago that D: was reported as less than 100%. For C: it still reports 'exellent' at this time. Also, if it is the power supply failing, twice now I've received advanced warning. If you use fixed speed fans in the computer, you'll notice the fixed speed fans start to "wander", and go up and down in frequency slightly. The human ear is sensitive to the tone of the fan. On my first power supply failure, I noticed the fans started to wander, many days before the power supply no longer had enough +12V to do anything. The last time I tested that (failed) supply, it can't even put out 1 amp of current on +12V, before the output voltage begins to drop. So the output became very weak, and the current now, isn't even enough to run one disk drive all by itself. If you sit the supply on the bench, with no load, all the voltage read right. But if you put even a tiny electrical load on it, it goes out of spec. It's more suited to running a flashlight bulb now, than 100-200 watts of computer gear. At least it didn't "blow" and take stuff with it. That sounds like a 'burn out'. BTW I feel like that myself :-(( For the moment I assume it's not the power supply, because I'm not going to replace the power supply on a yearly basis. Some time ago I wrote here about an old hard disk with a broken IDE pin, wondering wether the drive would still work. I tried it as a replacement, but it was not detected in any way by the BIOS. So tha's another drive I can throw away. If I can't find some replacement for the broken hard disk, It's inevitable I'll have to look out for a modern PC... 1) There are still IDE drives for sale. They've been out of production for some time, so it's hard to say where they're coming from. 2) You can also use a SATA drive, and put an adapter in the back of it. I have one of these, and so far it's worked with everything I tried it on. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812200156 StarTech IDE2SAT The black part goes into the new SATA drive. The bare gold pins on the back, are for a 40 pin IDE connector. It's a bit hard to get the connector on and off the gold pins. There is a "Master:Slave" jumper as well. So if you want, you can buy two of those, two SATA drives, and connect two SATA drives to one 80 wire IDE cable. Comes with power cable in the box, for daisy chain connecting it. http://ca.startech.com/media/img/pro.../IDE2SAT.C.jpg The main impediment to drive shopping, is whether your system has any drive capacity limits. My oldest system, only drives up to 137GB work properly. It I have been looking in the mainboard manual but I can't find any hard information about drive capacity limit. Asus P4B266 - cpu: Intel P4 1,6 GHz. - RAM: 1512 MB It's defined by year of origin, amongst other things. http://web.archive.org/web/200404180...hdd/index.aspx "Note: Model manufactured after 1st January, 2003 will all support 48bit HDD (137 GB HDD)." That is interpreted to mean, "designed" after Jan.1,2003. The idea being, the IDE interfaces support "double-pumped" register access, which is how the drive acquires 48 bit addressing and the handling of larger drives. Since your P4B266 is in the table, it supports 137GB IDE drives, if BIOS 1007 or later is installed. So P4B266 needed a BIOS update. That possibly helps, if booting a partition above 137GB. Not really sure what else would matter in there. P4B266 Yes 1007 For earlier motherboards, I have another old FAQ page which listed a few motherboards and their limits. Anything after 2003, on IDE, is supposed to be OK. And for SCSI drives, they don't have the same issue, as the command interface is different. Even pseudo-SCSI interface devices such as RAID controller chips, when in RAID mode, can "hide" the large drive issue. In this case, I'm assuming we're still dealing with the IDE ribbon cable interface. If you install a Promise Ultra133 TX2 IDE card, in a non-compliant motherboard, that's another way to fix it. As the Ultra133 TX2 is ATA/ATAPI 6 level of interface, and handles large drives. (Some of my older computers, have a card like that installed. At one point, Maxtor even bundled a controller card, with one of their ridiculously priced retail hard drives.) The support needed, to send 48 bit addresses, is described in this proposal. This would pre-date the inclusion of 48 bit addresses in the ATA/ATAPI spec. Most of the magic, seems to be in the hard drive part. http://www.t10.org/t13/technical/e00101r6.pdf Paul |
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"Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: "Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: "Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: "Paul" schreef in bericht ... Linea Recta wrote: I have a strange problem with my DVD burner since yesterday. When running Windows I can't open the tray anymore. Also, the device seems vanished from Windows explorer and from hardware configuration. But when I boot into BIOS, it is still recognised and then I can also open the tray normally. What can I do? Windows XP SP3 LG GSA-H44N It helps to know what "interfering" software you've installed. Tools which mount virtual CD images, can upset burner operation. Don't know about tray buttons though. http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/f19/dvd...nt-open-29555/ On Linux and Unix boxes, the tray button can be disabled, to prevent media with "busy" files, from being removed and causing the dependent software to crash. So as far as the phenomenon of a button that doesn't work goes, this is not unexpected. The button can be disabled by software quite easily. It's not like the button is just tied to the tray motor directly. If you boot a Linux LiveCD for example, by default the button on the tray of the drive with that CD in it, will be disabled. Sometimes it can be a hardware failure, but your BIOS check shows that's not the case. I now write from my notebook. The PC has been having bizarre behavior this evening, being clicking sounds (I suppose one of the hard disks) and spontaneous rebooting. The DVD burner itself must be OK, because I could boot up from a Macrium Reflect boot DVD. This is bad news, I suppose old fashioned IDE hard drives are not sold anymore I suppose? A glimpse at the concerning PC: A good root cause, is +12V power supply rail out of spec. That makes the clicking noise. This can be caused by placing too many heavy loads on one Molex chain. I had that happen when my ATI video card was powered by the same Molex power cable chain, as several hard drives. The hard drives started clicking. Once the video card was put on its own chain, there was "peace in the valley". But if the power supply is going out, then a slightly low (11V on 12V rail) power output, can be enough to upset storage. Think back to what wiring changes you've made recently. It could be you reconfigured the wiring, while adding storage. I have made no hardware changes recently. About a year ago I replaced the power supply. I think I even posted that event in this group. Since that time everything worked fine. I have now extracted the "bad tooth" being drive D: which was configured as primary slave. Luckily this wasn't the system drive. I can still boot from C: and I have changed the swap file back to C: again. Also, both DVD devices work again. The hard drives were both Maxtor 6L060J3 IDE/ATA 60 GB. I had the drives monitored by 'Hard disk sentinel' and already noticed some time ago that D: was reported as less than 100%. For C: it still reports 'exellent' at this time. Also, if it is the power supply failing, twice now I've received advanced warning. If you use fixed speed fans in the computer, you'll notice the fixed speed fans start to "wander", and go up and down in frequency slightly. The human ear is sensitive to the tone of the fan. On my first power supply failure, I noticed the fans started to wander, many days before the power supply no longer had enough +12V to do anything. The last time I tested that (failed) supply, it can't even put out 1 amp of current on +12V, before the output voltage begins to drop. So the output became very weak, and the current now, isn't even enough to run one disk drive all by itself. If you sit the supply on the bench, with no load, all the voltage read right. But if you put even a tiny electrical load on it, it goes out of spec. It's more suited to running a flashlight bulb now, than 100-200 watts of computer gear. At least it didn't "blow" and take stuff with it. That sounds like a 'burn out'. BTW I feel like that myself :-(( For the moment I assume it's not the power supply, because I'm not going to replace the power supply on a yearly basis. Some time ago I wrote here about an old hard disk with a broken IDE pin, wondering wether the drive would still work. I tried it as a replacement, but it was not detected in any way by the BIOS. So tha's another drive I can throw away. If I can't find some replacement for the broken hard disk, It's inevitable I'll have to look out for a modern PC... 1) There are still IDE drives for sale. They've been out of production for some time, so it's hard to say where they're coming from. 2) You can also use a SATA drive, and put an adapter in the back of it. I have one of these, and so far it's worked with everything I tried it on. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812200156 StarTech IDE2SAT The black part goes into the new SATA drive. The bare gold pins on the back, are for a 40 pin IDE connector. It's a bit hard to get the connector on and off the gold pins. There is a "Master:Slave" jumper as well. So if you want, you can buy two of those, two SATA drives, and connect two SATA drives to one 80 wire IDE cable. Comes with power cable in the box, for daisy chain connecting it. http://ca.startech.com/media/img/pro.../IDE2SAT.C.jpg The main impediment to drive shopping, is whether your system has any drive capacity limits. My oldest system, only drives up to 137GB work properly. It I have been looking in the mainboard manual but I can't find any hard information about drive capacity limit. Asus P4B266 - cpu: Intel P4 1,6 GHz. - RAM: 1512 MB It's defined by year of origin, amongst other things. http://web.archive.org/web/200404180...hdd/index.aspx "Note: Model manufactured after 1st January, 2003 will all support 48bit HDD (137 GB HDD)." That is interpreted to mean, "designed" after Jan.1,2003. The idea being, the IDE interfaces support "double-pumped" register access, which is how the drive acquires 48 bit addressing and the handling of larger drives. Since your P4B266 is in the table, it supports 137GB IDE drives, if BIOS 1007 or later is installed. So P4B266 needed a BIOS update. That possibly helps, if booting a partition above 137GB. Not really sure what else would matter in there. P4B266 Yes 1007 OK, I have bios version 1010. This is the latest version exept for one, which is branded as "beta". Furtermore, according to this reply: http://support.asus.com/faq/detail.a...2-112D10B69093 the P4B266 is able to work with 200 GB drives. So I could consider getting this drive: http://www.informatique.nl/110610/we...tal-160gb.html Although the price is high per MB base... For earlier motherboards, I have another old FAQ page which listed a few motherboards and their limits. Anything after 2003, on IDE, is supposed to be OK. And for SCSI drives, they don't have the same issue, as the command interface is different. Even pseudo-SCSI interface devices such as RAID controller chips, when in RAID mode, can "hide" the large drive issue. In this case, I'm assuming we're still dealing with the IDE ribbon cable interface. If you install a Promise Ultra133 TX2 IDE card, in a non-compliant motherboard, that's another way to fix it. As the Ultra133 TX2 is ATA/ATAPI 6 level of interface, and handles large drives. (Some of my older computers, have a card like that installed. At one point, Maxtor even bundled a controller card, with one of their ridiculously priced retail hard drives.) The support needed, to send 48 bit addresses, is described in this proposal. This would pre-date the inclusion of 48 bit addresses in the ATA/ATAPI spec. Most of the magic, seems to be in the hard drive part. http://www.t10.org/t13/technical/e00101r6.pdf Concerning 48 bit HDD, this seems supported by P4B266: http://support.asus.com.tw/technical...e=en-us&NO=501 -- regards, |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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Linea Recta wrote:
"Paul" schreef in bericht P4B266 Yes 1007 OK, I have bios version 1010. This is the latest version exept for one, which is branded as "beta". Furtermore, according to this reply: http://support.asus.com/faq/detail.a...2-112D10B69093 the P4B266 is able to work with 200 GB drives. So I could consider getting this drive: http://www.informatique.nl/110610/we...tal-160gb.html Although the price is high per MB base... The ones still available here, are a little expensive too. ******* One thing that's nice about the smaller drives, is they won't have the 4KB sectors on them. I was cursing the two drives I got here, with the 4KB sectors and "512e" emulation, because they're so slow when dealing with small files. Took twice as long as usual to do a backup. They claim you can align partitions on 4KB boundaries, and that is supposed to help, but I have multiple partitions under WinXP, and I don't think there is any fix for that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format#512e There's nothing "Advanced" about that format. It's just a nuisance. Paul |
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