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OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?
http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-132&TY=2013
Oral argument from last week's Supreme Court case "Riley v. California". It's mainly about the difference between the police searching your wallet and searching your smartphone. There is some technical stuff (like referring to prior cases), but most of it is common language. |
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Charles Lindbergh spirit stlouis.com wrote:
John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-132&TY=2013 Oral argument from last week's Supreme Court case "Riley v. California". It's mainly about the difference between the police searching your wallet and searching your smartphone. There is some technical stuff (like referring to prior cases), but most of it is common language. I listened to the entire recording. Reminds me of the quote from Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." I was most impressed by the statement that they can copy everything and keep it in a permanent archive. |
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On 05/16/2014 04:53 PM, John Doe wrote:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-132&TY=2013 Oral argument from last week's Supreme Court case "Riley v. California". It's mainly about the difference between the police searching your wallet and searching your smartphone. There is some technical stuff (like referring to prior cases), but most of it is common language. In my case, it doesn't matter. There's little to be found in either one! TJ |
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On Sat, 17 May 2014 08:41:56 -0400, TJ wrote:
On 05/16/2014 04:53 PM, John Doe wrote: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-132&TY=2013 Oral argument from last week's Supreme Court case "Riley v. California". It's mainly about the difference between the police searching your wallet and searching your smartphone. There is some technical stuff (like referring to prior cases), but most of it is common language. In my case, it doesn't matter. There's little to be found in either one! TJ Not so sure here. I keep my grocery shopping list and my gasoline record in mine. (Is it OK if I leave the smiley implicit?) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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The very next case argument is the same subject. Skip to the
second part of the oral argument and listen to Samuel Alito's seething disregard of your privacy. http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-212&TY=2013 http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-132&TY=2013 Oral argument from last week's Supreme Court case "Riley v. California". It's mainly about the difference between the police searching your wallet and searching your smartphone. There is some technical stuff (like referring to prior cases), but most of it is common language. |
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On 5/17/2014 8:41 AM, TJ wrote:
On 05/16/2014 04:53 PM, John Doe wrote: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-132&TY=2013 Oral argument from last week's Supreme Court case "Riley v. California". It's mainly about the difference between the police searching your wallet and searching your smartphone. There is some technical stuff (like referring to prior cases), but most of it is common language. In my case, it doesn't matter. There's little to be found in either one! TJ It's far too late for anyone to be concerned. The pond is already polluted. More personal information is collect by Google than all governmental agencies combined. The people I speak to about web tracking laugh while the same ones seem to fear the Big Brother not realizing they are one in the same. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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On Sat, 17 May 2014 12:10:31 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
(Is it OK if I leave the smiley implicit?) If, after you leave, (s)he turns grumpy from having been smiley, I'd hazard the guess that your implicit thought it was *not* OK to leave him/her :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP. |
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On Sat, 17 May 2014 08:41:56 -0400, TJ wrote:
On 05/16/2014 04:53 PM, John Doe wrote: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-132&TY=2013 Oral argument from last week's Supreme Court case "Riley v. California". It's mainly about the difference between the police searching your wallet and searching your smartphone. There is some technical stuff (like referring to prior cases), but most of it is common language. In my case, it doesn't matter. There's little to be found in either one! "And then they came after me" OWTTE []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On Sat, 17 May 2014 22:44:14 -0400, tlvp wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2014 12:10:31 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote: (Is it OK if I leave the smiley implicit?) If, after you leave, (s)he turns grumpy from having been smiley, I'd hazard the guess that your implicit thought it was *not* OK to leave him/her :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp In my experience, they were mostly *happy* when I left... Assuming I figured out what you're saying... -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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"Shadow" wrote in message
... On Sat, 17 May 2014 08:41:56 -0400, TJ wrote: On 05/16/2014 04:53 PM, John Doe wrote: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-132&TY=2013 Oral argument from last week's Supreme Court case "Riley v. California". It's mainly about the difference between the police searching your wallet and searching your smartphone. There is some technical stuff (like referring to prior cases), but most of it is common language. In my case, it doesn't matter. There's little to be found in either one! "And then they came after me" Bingo. I have nothing to hide but that doesn't mean I want them invading my privacy. My phone is locked and they're not getting the code from me. We are inching further and further into a police state in the USA. Just as we have become servants to the government, we are becoming servants to he police. |
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Per PAS:
My phone is locked and they're not getting the code from me. That's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read about the case. I would assume that situation is being addressed in the court's proceeding. Does anybody know how? -- Pete Cresswell |
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"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
... Per PAS: My phone is locked and they're not getting the code from me. That's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read about the case. I would assume that situation is being addressed in the court's proceeding. Does anybody know how? -- Pete Cresswell The cops have an app that can bypass the lock on a phone. But there's an app for that too - one that wipes out the data on the phone once it detects the app that bypasses the lock. Under the guise of "keeping us safe", our rights are being violated and it took an ugly turn with the Patriot Act and that has been strengthened under the current administration. Frankly, I believe that law enforcement will do whatever they can to gather evidence against people, regardless of the oath they take to uphold the law and Constitution. Many are now using Stingrays to eavesdrop on cell phone calls without a warrant http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...olice/3902809/ We're being watched by more-and-more surveillance cameras. There are red light and now speed cameras cropping up everywhere all in the interest of extracting as much money from or pockets as possible. If anyone believes that the purpose of red light and speed cameras is for safety, I have a bridge they may be interested in buying. In Nassau County, Long Island, a new labor agreement has been reached with the police and detectives union. The county has to borrow money to meet it's expenses. They are installing more red light and speed cameras in order to get the money to fund the contract agreements with the police. Many of the police officers earn six-figure incomes and the top detective salary is about a quarter of a million a year. They are under increasing pressure to get more revenue for the county by writing tickets and it also benefits them. Sounds like a conflict of interest. And don't get me started on the increasing militarization of the police, that's a whole other issue. |
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PAS wrote, On 5/19/2014 11:17 AM:
In Nassau County, Long Island, a new labor agreement has been reached with the police and detectives union. The county has to borrow money to meet it's expenses. They are installing more red light and speed cameras in order to get the money to fund the contract agreements with the police. Many of the police officers earn six-figure incomes and the top detective salary is about a quarter of a million a year. NYPD Salary starts at $44,744 and increases to $46,288 after 6 months. Increases then take place every 12 months to the following: $46,288 - $48,173 - $53,819 - $58,786 - $62,455 - $69,005 and finally, $90,829. http://www.police-officer-pages.com/...#ixzz32B7bH4X8 Even with a new contract the percentage increased would be nowhere near substantiated a jump from 2010 salary thus 'many six-figure and quarter of a million for detectives' might be inflated numbers. Those 6 figure numbers drop off rapidly for the majority of police officers and even with overtime there does not appear to be a single detective in any position classification (of over 12,000 total employed) earning 250K. http://longisland.newsday.com/templa...sc=yes&pid=345 For current range of 2014 salaries go here for better accuracy. http://www1.salary.com/NY/police-officer-salary.html -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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"...winston" wrote in message
... PAS wrote, On 5/19/2014 11:17 AM: In Nassau County, Long Island, a new labor agreement has been reached with the police and detectives union. The county has to borrow money to meet it's expenses. They are installing more red light and speed cameras in order to get the money to fund the contract agreements with the police. Many of the police officers earn six-figure incomes and the top detective salary is about a quarter of a million a year. NYPD Salary starts at $44,744 and increases to $46,288 after 6 months. Increases then take place every 12 months to the following: $46,288 - $48,173 - $53,819 - $58,786 - $62,455 - $69,005 and finally, $90,829. http://www.police-officer-pages.com/...#ixzz32B7bH4X8 Even with a new contract the percentage increased would be nowhere near substantiated a jump from 2010 salary thus 'many six-figure and quarter of a million for detectives' might be inflated numbers. Those 6 figure numbers drop off rapidly for the majority of police officers and even with overtime there does not appear to be a single detective in any position classification (of over 12,000 total employed) earning 250K. http://longisland.newsday.com/templa...sc=yes&pid=345 For current range of 2014 salaries go here for better accuracy. http://www1.salary.com/NY/police-officer-salary.html I posted that the top detective salary is about $250K. Of course, not all or many are earning that but it is correct, that's the top salary. As of 2010, there were 2,250 members on the force. 1,103 made over 100K in 2010 http://longisland.newsday.com/templa...pleDB/?pid=173 IMO, that qualifies as "many". The situation is the same where I live in Long Island's other country, Suffolk. The officers receive a pension based on the average of their last three years earnings. What happens in those last three years is that the pensions are padded by the officers working a lot of overtime. I know how the drill works. Make an arrest at the end of a shift and the officer has a couple of hours or even more of overtime to process the person they arrested through the system. The pensions ought to be based on the average of their base pay, not including overtime. |
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On 05/19/2014 08:55 AM, PAS wrote:
"Shadow" wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 May 2014 08:41:56 -0400, TJ wrote: On 05/16/2014 04:53 PM, John Doe wrote: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...13-132&TY=2013 Oral argument from last week's Supreme Court case "Riley v. California". It's mainly about the difference between the police searching your wallet and searching your smartphone. There is some technical stuff (like referring to prior cases), but most of it is common language. In my case, it doesn't matter. There's little to be found in either one! "And then they came after me" Bingo. I have nothing to hide but that doesn't mean I want them invading my privacy. My phone is locked and they're not getting the code from me. We are inching further and further into a police state in the USA. Just as we have become servants to the government, we are becoming servants to he police. A. My phone is dumb. All they'll find on it is some family phone numbers. B. I'm not in the habit of using my tablet away from home, so if stopped for a traffic infraction, there's nothing to search. C. My wallet contains a driver's license, insurance card, credit card, and occasionally, some cash. Nothing that they can't find out through other means if they want to. D. If they want to come after me, they will, regardless of whether they can search my tablet or wallet. Until they do, I choose not to live in fear. TJ |
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