Clean Install crashes at 34 Minutes Remaining

Another interesting tidbit that I just remembered! I have done and redone
the install so many times, I totally forgot where I started!

I actually reformatted and repartitioned the hard drive that I have since
decided was dead and Windows XP Pro did EXACTLY the same thing that it is
doing now. I just figured my HD was totally unusable, so I bought the new
one.

I am going to play around with the Memory sticks too. Seems like that is a
common issue in the postings on the www.

MS also mentions a hotfix for usbhub.sys, which they think is one of the
causes for this mess. I don't have the faintest idea as to how to use a
hotfix. Any suggestions that a Novice would understand?

Last night, I also found a basic CD-ROM drive that I had replaced with a
DVD-ROM a while back so I dug it out of the box. I connected the IDE cable
to only that drive (the IDE was originally attached to a master and slave. I
thought that maybe trying to install the OS that way would be optimal. When
I went through the whole song and dance routine again, it still crashed, but
seemed to go a nanosecond longer than the previous times.



"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" wrote:

I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP Pro it crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions listed in the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried everything that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please excuse my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded

So you have the new hard drive on its own IDE cable set as primary master on
IDE0 and the cdrom drive on its own cable as primary master on IDE1. Is that
right, and you are sure the drives have their links set correctly.
Just one more thing assuming the hard drive is a ATA133 the cable is a 80
wire with a blue connector at one end, the blue connector should be
connected to the motherboard connector.
But yes you're right to check the memory if you have 2 sticks and can remove
one to half the memory then try the install with just one stick.
Neil

"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
Another interesting tidbit that I just remembered! I have done and redone
the install so many times, I totally forgot where I started!

I actually reformatted and repartitioned the hard drive that I have since
decided was dead and Windows XP Pro did EXACTLY the same thing that it is
doing now. I just figured my HD was totally unusable, so I bought the new
one.

I am going to play around with the Memory sticks too. Seems like that is
a
common issue in the postings on the www.

MS also mentions a hotfix for usbhub.sys, which they think is one of the
causes for this mess. I don't have the faintest idea as to how to use a
hotfix. Any suggestions that a Novice would understand?

Last night, I also found a basic CD-ROM drive that I had replaced with a
DVD-ROM a while back so I dug it out of the box. I connected the IDE
cable
to only that drive (the IDE was originally attached to a master and slave.
I
thought that maybe trying to install the OS that way would be optimal.
When
I went through the whole song and dance routine again, it still crashed,
but
seemed to go a nanosecond longer than the previous times.



"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" wrote:

I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP Pro it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions listed in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please excuse my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded

Yes, CD-ROM and HD each set as master. CD-ROM only thing on it's own IDE
cable. HD only thing on it's own IDE cable. HD Ide cable Blue end plugged
into motherboard.

I did try removing memory a few days ago and my machine would not boot at
all, but I will play musical memory again tonight when I get home. Can't
hurt!

Traci

"neil" wrote:

So you have the new hard drive on its own IDE cable set as primary master on
IDE0 and the cdrom drive on its own cable as primary master on IDE1. Is that
right, and you are sure the drives have their links set correctly.
Just one more thing assuming the hard drive is a ATA133 the cable is a 80
wire with a blue connector at one end, the blue connector should be
connected to the motherboard connector.
But yes you're right to check the memory if you have 2 sticks and can remove
one to half the memory then try the install with just one stick.
Neil

"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
Another interesting tidbit that I just remembered! I have done and redone
the install so many times, I totally forgot where I started!

I actually reformatted and repartitioned the hard drive that I have since
decided was dead and Windows XP Pro did EXACTLY the same thing that it is
doing now. I just figured my HD was totally unusable, so I bought the new
one.

I am going to play around with the Memory sticks too. Seems like that is
a
common issue in the postings on the www.

MS also mentions a hotfix for usbhub.sys, which they think is one of the
causes for this mess. I don't have the faintest idea as to how to use a
hotfix. Any suggestions that a Novice would understand?

Last night, I also found a basic CD-ROM drive that I had replaced with a
DVD-ROM a while back so I dug it out of the box. I connected the IDE
cable
to only that drive (the IDE was originally attached to a master and slave.
I
thought that maybe trying to install the OS that way would be optimal.
When
I went through the whole song and dance routine again, it still crashed,
but
seemed to go a nanosecond longer than the previous times.



"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" wrote:

I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP Pro it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions listed in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please excuse my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when playing with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for an ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy indicator of a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue lies with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard drives and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows 95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something closer to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd, you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still have my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you sure the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I hope i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote in
message
news
Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate all of the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much as I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I had before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have (it is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed). "Lifeguard Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard drive using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : ) At one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that I had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only happened the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am also a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro Install
Crash
at
34
wrote in message
...
I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP Pro
it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions
listed
in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please
excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded


"S. Taylor" wrote:

By "replacing a dead hard drive" do you mean you're reinstalling on
an
existing drive
or did you install a new hard drive?

If the drive is brand new, you shouldn't be having this problem and
should
take it back.

If the "new" drive is actually a used drive....... I'd say the
timing
it
deciding to die now,
is rotten

If you still want to troubleshoot the problem, first.

Start by removing all removable hardware, you just want the
following
items
in it:
Motherboard
Hard Drive
Memory
Video Card
PS/2 Keyboard
CD/DVD drive

Enter the BIOS and disable all built hardware, such as Sound,
LAN/ethernet,
onboard video, etc.
If you're using a pci or pci-e video make sure your bios is set to
boot
with
a pci video device.
Or from agp if you're using an agp video card.


Then make sure the IDE is plugged in correctly and has no obvious
damage,
has no creases trained into, frays, exposed wires or any other
damage
that
say
"replace me!!"
The ide cable should have 3 plugs on it (if it doesn't. it's too
old
and
should be replaced),
2 of whiched will be close to each other and connect to the drives.
The 3rd connector may be a different color and must be the end
plugged
into
the
motherboard's IDE0 connector

Make sure the cable is firmly seated into the hdd & the
motherboard.
Make sure the hdd's power supply is firmly seated into the back of
the
drive.

Check the pins on the back of the drive, beside the ide connector
on
the
drive,
make sure it's set as Master, and that it's plugged into the end
plug
on
the
ide cable.

Boot into BIOS and make sure the hard drive is being recognized and
that
it
is being
recognized as the correct make/model, by BIOS, and that's being
recognized
as the Primary Master device.

I've never gone through this procedure with XP, so I can only
advise
you
how
to use
a windows 98 startup disk.
If you can get one from someone, then do so.
Boot from the diskette and use fdisk to delete all partitions on
the
drive.
Then use fdisk to recreate partions and when it asks if you want to
enable
large disk support,
choose yes.
I, personally, prefere to use 2 or more partions ( or multiple
hdd's),
the primary for the os and the others from my software/use.

Then format the drive, with the windows 98 diskette
Enter BIOS and set the CD/DVD drive as the 1st boot device and try
to
re-install XP

If you can't get a windows 98 startup disk or just prefere to to,
you
can
let the XP CD
recreate it for you.

Or someone elase can lead you throught the commands used to have
diskpart
delete/make partitions.


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote in
message
...
I am installing a brand new, right out of the package, hard drive. I
have
found this problem to be quite common with the Windows XP Pro
installation
on
the search of the web I have done, but nobody seems to be posting
anything
as
far as whether or not they resolved the issue and how.

I unplugged everything except the parts you indicated below and the
same
thing occurs.

The BIOS screens are very basic compared to other BIOS screens that
I
have
seen in the past. I have disabled everything it has to offer.

Plugs and connections are all good.

I will keep trying everything.

Traci


Traci:
As you learned from your net search, this problem re the balking of
the
installation of the XP operating system at the 34 minute point is,
unfortunately, quite common. It's all the more unfortunate because in
many,
if not most, instances it's well-nigh impossible to determine
precisely
why
the installation process freezes at that point, even when there are no
hardware/software problems which should be affecting the installation
process in this negative way.

Sometimes we've found it necessary to repeat the installation process
three
or four times before it "catches". I assume you've tried this but the
problem still persists.

You should, as S. Taylor indicates, make certain that your hardware
components are correctly connected & configured. We'll assume that all
those
components are non-defective.

You indicate your HD is a Western Digital. And you do not indicate any
other
components such as another HD nor any optical drives are connected in
your
computer. Assuming the WD drive is the *only* device on its IDE cable,
you
have "jumpered" (actually no jumpers) it as Single, right? I just want
to
stress that *all* your components are properly connected.

You also stated that (Western Digital) "Data Lifeguard Tools Software
included/loaded". What do you mean by this? Did you first
partition/format
your drive with that utility before you undertook the XP installation
process? There is *no* reason to use any third-party
partitioning/formatting
utility other than the one integrated in the XP OS. Even if that
utility
comes from the manufacturer of the HD. So if you're still having
problems,
repeat the installation, but this time delete the existing partition
and
let
XP perform the partitioning/formatting. Then continue with the
installation.

There's no reason to access your motherboard's BIOS to determine if
your
HD
is being recognized. If it wasn't, you would have found that out at
the
very
beginning of the XP installation routine. But there's no harm in
accessing
your BIOS to verify this.

BTW, you mention that you've "disabled everything it (BIOS) has to
offer".
What do you mean by that? Generally speaking the default BIOS entries
do
not
need "disabling" except for very specific purposes. You're sure your
BIOS
entries are correct, yes?

Forget about using a Windows9x/Me boot disk to partition/format your
drive.
That's not your problem.

Try what I've suggested and if it's "no go", we'll try to suggest
other
approaches.
Anna

S.,

When hooking up the HD for the first time, I followed the instructions to
set it as the Master and removed the jumper as indicated. There was also a
jumper setting to set it as 'cable' and I tried that one as well (I knew it
wouldn't work, but tried anyhow). Removing the jumper from the new HD
matched the HD that I had in that I thought died as I checked it when I
removed it.

The IDE cables are on the appropriate devices and I checked for correct ends
plugged into correct spots.

I am sure I could find this on the www, but is there a way to diagnose the
motherboard before going out and buying a whole new one? The WD Lifeguard
Tools CD works fine and I would think that there would be conflicts with that
if it was a motherboard or connections issue. I could be wrong

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when playing with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for an ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy indicator of a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue lies with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard drives and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows 95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something closer to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd, you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still have my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you sure the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I hope i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote in
message
news Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate all of the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much as I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I had before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have (it is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed). "Lifeguard Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard drive using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : ) At one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that I had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only happened the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am also a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro Install
Crash
at
34
wrote in message
...
I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP Pro
it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions
listed
in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please
excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded


"S. Taylor" wrote:

By "replacing a dead hard drive" do you mean you're reinstalling on
an
existing drive
or did you install a new hard drive?

If the drive is brand new, you shouldn't be having this problem and
should
take it back.

If the "new" drive is actually a used drive....... I'd say the
timing
it
deciding to die now,
is rotten

If you still want to troubleshoot the problem, first.

Start by removing all removable hardware, you just want the
following
items
in it:
Motherboard
Hard Drive
Memory
Video Card
PS/2 Keyboard
CD/DVD drive

Enter the BIOS and disable all built hardware, such as Sound,
LAN/ethernet,
onboard video, etc.
If you're using a pci or pci-e video make sure your bios is set to
boot
with
a pci video device.
Or from agp if you're using an agp video card.


Then make sure the IDE is plugged in correctly and has no obvious
damage,
has no creases trained into, frays, exposed wires or any other
damage
that
say
"replace me!!"
The ide cable should have 3 plugs on it (if it doesn't. it's too
old
and
should be replaced),
2 of whiched will be close to each other and connect to the drives.
The 3rd connector may be a different color and must be the end
plugged
into
the
motherboard's IDE0 connector

Make sure the cable is firmly seated into the hdd & the
motherboard.
Make sure the hdd's power supply is firmly seated into the back of
the
drive.

Check the pins on the back of the drive, beside the ide connector
on
the
drive,
make sure it's set as Master, and that it's plugged into the end
plug
on
the
ide cable.

Boot into BIOS and make sure the hard drive is being recognized and
that
it
is being
recognized as the correct make/model, by BIOS, and that's being
recognized
as the Primary Master device.

I've never gone through this procedure with XP, so I can only
advise
you
how
to use
a windows 98 startup disk.
If you can get one from someone, then do so.
Boot from the diskette and use fdisk to delete all partitions on
the
drive.
Then use fdisk to recreate partions and when it asks if you want to
enable
large disk support,
choose yes.
I, personally, prefere to use 2 or more partions ( or multiple
hdd's),
the primary for the os and the others from my software/use.

Then format the drive, with the windows 98 diskette
Enter BIOS and set the CD/DVD drive as the 1st boot device and try
to
re-install XP

If you can't get a windows 98 startup disk or just prefere to to,
you
can
let the XP CD
recreate it for you.

Or someone elase can lead you throught the commands used to have
diskpart
delete/make partitions.


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote in
message
...
I am installing a brand new, right out of the package, hard drive. I
have
found this problem to be quite common with the Windows XP Pro
installation
on
the search of the web I have done, but nobody seems to be posting
anything
as
far as whether or not they resolved the issue and how.

I unplugged everything except the parts you indicated below and the
same
thing occurs.

The BIOS screens are very basic compared to other BIOS screens that
I
have
seen in the past. I have disabled everything it has to offer.

Plugs and connections are all good.

I will keep trying everything.

Traci


Traci:
As you learned from your net search, this problem re the balking of
the
installation of the XP operating system at the 34 minute point is,
unfortunately, quite common. It's all the more unfortunate because in
many,
if not most, instances it's well-nigh impossible to determine
precisely
why

I forgot to mention that I had this OS on my previous HD and the new one is
the same... Would that warrant the need for a BIOS update since it worked
with the current BIOS?

"Traci in PDX" wrote:

S.,

When hooking up the HD for the first time, I followed the instructions to
set it as the Master and removed the jumper as indicated. There was also a
jumper setting to set it as 'cable' and I tried that one as well (I knew it
wouldn't work, but tried anyhow). Removing the jumper from the new HD
matched the HD that I had in that I thought died as I checked it when I
removed it.

The IDE cables are on the appropriate devices and I checked for correct ends
plugged into correct spots.

I am sure I could find this on the www, but is there a way to diagnose the
motherboard before going out and buying a whole new one? The WD Lifeguard
Tools CD works fine and I would think that there would be conflicts with that
if it was a motherboard or connections issue. I could be wrong

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when playing with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for an ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy indicator of a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue lies with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard drives and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows 95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something closer to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd, you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still have my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you sure the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I hope i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote in
message
news Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate all of the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much as I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I had before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have (it is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed). "Lifeguard Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard drive using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : ) At one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that I had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only happened the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am also a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro Install
Crash
at
34
wrote in message
...
I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP Pro
it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions
listed
in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please
excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded


"S. Taylor" wrote:

By "replacing a dead hard drive" do you mean you're reinstalling on
an
existing drive
or did you install a new hard drive?

If the drive is brand new, you shouldn't be having this problem and
should
take it back.

If the "new" drive is actually a used drive....... I'd say the
timing
it
deciding to die now,
is rotten

If you still want to troubleshoot the problem, first.

Start by removing all removable hardware, you just want the
following
items
in it:
Motherboard
Hard Drive
Memory
Video Card
PS/2 Keyboard
CD/DVD drive

Enter the BIOS and disable all built hardware, such as Sound,
LAN/ethernet,
onboard video, etc.
If you're using a pci or pci-e video make sure your bios is set to
boot
with
a pci video device.
Or from agp if you're using an agp video card.


Then make sure the IDE is plugged in correctly and has no obvious
damage,
has no creases trained into, frays, exposed wires or any other
damage
that
say
"replace me!!"
The ide cable should have 3 plugs on it (if it doesn't. it's too
old
and
should be replaced),
2 of whiched will be close to each other and connect to the drives.
The 3rd connector may be a different color and must be the end
plugged
into
the
motherboard's IDE0 connector

Make sure the cable is firmly seated into the hdd & the
motherboard.
Make sure the hdd's power supply is firmly seated into the back of
the
drive.

Check the pins on the back of the drive, beside the ide connector
on
the
drive,
make sure it's set as Master, and that it's plugged into the end
plug
on
the
ide cable.

Boot into BIOS and make sure the hard drive is being recognized and
that
it
is being
recognized as the correct make/model, by BIOS, and that's being
recognized
as the Primary Master device.

I've never gone through this procedure with XP, so I can only
advise
you
how
to use
a windows 98 startup disk.
If you can get one from someone, then do so.
Boot from the diskette and use fdisk to delete all partitions on
the
drive.
Then use fdisk to recreate partions and when it asks if you want to
enable
large disk support,
choose yes.
I, personally, prefere to use 2 or more partions ( or multiple
hdd's),
the primary for the os and the others from my software/use.

Then format the drive, with the windows 98 diskette
Enter BIOS and set the CD/DVD drive as the 1st boot device and try
to
re-install XP

If you can't get a windows 98 startup disk or just prefere to to,
you
can
let the XP CD
recreate it for you.

Or someone elase can lead you throught the commands used to have
diskpart
delete/make partitions.


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote in
message
...
I am installing a brand new, right out of the package, hard drive. I
have
found this problem to be quite common with the Windows XP Pro
installation
on
the search of the web I have done, but nobody seems to be posting
anything
as
far as whether or not they resolved the issue and how.

I unplugged everything except the parts you indicated below and the
same
thing occurs.

The BIOS screens are very basic compared to other BIOS screens that
I

I'm sorry, i don't know of any dos based motherboard utilities.
The WD cd will only find problems with the hdd, and it won't necessarily
cause the same lockup as the XP install cd.

I know it's a longshot....but do you still have the previous motherboard
around?


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S.,


I am sure I could find this on the www, but is there a way to diagnose the
motherboard before going out and buying a whole new one? The WD Lifeguard
Tools CD works fine and I would think that there would be conflicts with
that
if it was a motherboard or connections issue. I could be wrong

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when playing
with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for an ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy indicator of
a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue lies
with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard drives and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows 95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something closer
to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd, you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still have
my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am
unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you sure the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I hope i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote in
message
news Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate all of
the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much as I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I had
before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have (it is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed). "Lifeguard
Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City
website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard drive
using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : ) At
one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that I had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only happened
the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am also
a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro Install
Crash
at
34
wrote in message
...
I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP
Pro
it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions
listed
in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please
excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded


"S. Taylor" wrote:

By "replacing a dead hard drive" do you mean you're reinstalling
on
an
existing drive
or did you install a new hard drive?

If the drive is brand new, you shouldn't be having this problem
and
should
take it back.

If the "new" drive is actually a used drive....... I'd say the
timing
it
deciding to die now,
is rotten

If you still want to troubleshoot the problem, first.

Start by removing all removable hardware, you just want the
following
items
in it:
Motherboard
Hard Drive
Memory
Video Card
PS/2 Keyboard
CD/DVD drive

Enter the BIOS and disable all built hardware, such as Sound,
LAN/ethernet,
onboard video, etc.
If you're using a pci or pci-e video make sure your bios is set
to
boot
with
a pci video device.
Or from agp if you're using an agp video card.


Then make sure the IDE is plugged in correctly and has no
obvious
damage,
has no creases trained into, frays, exposed wires or any other
damage
that
say
"replace me!!"
The ide cable should have 3 plugs on it (if it doesn't. it's too
old
and
should be replaced),
2 of whiched will be close to each other and connect to the
drives.
The 3rd connector may be a different color and must be the end
plugged
into
the
motherboard's IDE0 connector

Make sure the cable is firmly seated into the hdd & the
motherboard.
Make sure the hdd's power supply is firmly seated into the back
of
the
drive.

Check the pins on the back of the drive, beside the ide
connector
on
the
drive,
make sure it's set as Master, and that it's plugged into the end
plug
on
the
ide cable.

Boot into BIOS and make sure the hard drive is being recognized
and
that
it
is being
recognized as the correct make/model, by BIOS, and that's being
recognized
as the Primary Master device.

I've never gone through this procedure with XP, so I can only
advise
you
how
to use
a windows 98 startup disk.
If you can get one from someone, then do so.
Boot from the diskette and use fdisk to delete all partitions on
the
drive.
Then use fdisk to recreate partions and when it asks if you want
to
enable
large disk support,
choose yes.
I, personally, prefere to use 2 or more partions ( or multiple
hdd's),
the primary for the os and the others from my software/use.

Then format the drive, with the windows 98 diskette
Enter BIOS and set the CD/DVD drive as the 1st boot device and
try
to
re-install XP

If you can't get a windows 98 startup disk or just prefere to
to,
you
can
let the XP CD
recreate it for you.

Or someone elase can lead you throught the commands used to have
diskpart
delete/make partitions.


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote
in
message
...
I am installing a brand new, right out of the package, hard drive.
I
have
found this problem to be quite common with the Windows XP Pro
installation
on
the search of the web I have done, but nobody seems to be posting
anything
as
far as whether or not they resolved the issue and how.

I unplugged everything except the parts you indicated below and
the
same
thing occurs.

The BIOS screens are very basic compared to other BIOS screens
that
I
have
seen in the past. I have disabled everything it has to offer.

Plugs and connections are all good.

I will keep trying everything.

Traci


Traci:
As you learned from your net search, this problem re the balking of
the
installation of the XP operating system at the 34 minute point is,
unfortunately, quite common. It's all the more unfortunate because
in
many,
if not most, instances it's well-nigh impossible to determine
precisely
why

Normally, no, but your having problems, now....

"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
I forgot to mention that I had this OS on my previous HD and the new one is
the same... Would that warrant the need for a BIOS update since it worked
with the current BIOS?

"Traci in PDX" wrote:

S.,

When hooking up the HD for the first time, I followed the instructions to
set it as the Master and removed the jumper as indicated. There was also
a
jumper setting to set it as 'cable' and I tried that one as well (I knew
it
wouldn't work, but tried anyhow). Removing the jumper from the new HD
matched the HD that I had in that I thought died as I checked it when I
removed it.

The IDE cables are on the appropriate devices and I checked for correct
ends
plugged into correct spots.

I am sure I could find this on the www, but is there a way to diagnose
the
motherboard before going out and buying a whole new one? The WD
Lifeguard
Tools CD works fine and I would think that there would be conflicts with
that
if it was a motherboard or connections issue. I could be wrong

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when playing
with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper
configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for an
ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy indicator
of a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue lies
with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard drives
and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows 95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something
closer to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd, you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still have
my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am
unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you sure
the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I hope i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote in
message
news Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate all
of the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much as
I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I had
before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have (it
is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed). "Lifeguard
Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City
website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard drive
using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : ) At
one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that I
had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only happened
the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am
also a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro
Install
Crash
at
34
wrote in message
...
I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP
Pro
it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the
suggestions
listed
in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please
excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded


"S. Taylor" wrote:

By "replacing a dead hard drive" do you mean you're
reinstalling on
an
existing drive
or did you install a new hard drive?

If the drive is brand new, you shouldn't be having this
problem and
should
take it back.

If the "new" drive is actually a used drive....... I'd say the
timing
it
deciding to die now,
is rotten

If you still want to troubleshoot the problem, first.

Start by removing all removable hardware, you just want the
following
items
in it:
Motherboard
Hard Drive
Memory
Video Card
PS/2 Keyboard
CD/DVD drive

Enter the BIOS and disable all built hardware, such as Sound,
LAN/ethernet,
onboard video, etc.
If you're using a pci or pci-e video make sure your bios is
set to
boot
with
a pci video device.
Or from agp if you're using an agp video card.


Then make sure the IDE is plugged in correctly and has no
obvious
damage,
has no creases trained into, frays, exposed wires or any other
damage
that
say
"replace me!!"
The ide cable should have 3 plugs on it (if it doesn't. it's
too
old
and
should be replaced),
2 of whiched will be close to each other and connect to the
drives.
The 3rd connector may be a different color and must be the end
plugged
into
the
motherboard's IDE0 connector

Make sure the cable is firmly seated into the hdd & the
motherboard.
Make sure the hdd's power supply is firmly seated into the
back of
the
drive.

Check the pins on the back of the drive, beside the ide
connector
on
the
drive,
make sure it's set as Master, and that it's plugged into the
end
plug
on
the
ide cable.

Boot into BIOS and make sure the hard drive is being
recognized and
that
it
is being
recognized as the correct make/model, by BIOS, and that's
being
recognized
as the Primary Master device.

I've never gone through this procedure with XP, so I can only
advise
you
how
to use
a windows 98 startup disk.
If you can get one from someone, then do so.
Boot from the diskette and use fdisk to delete all partitions
on
the
drive.
Then use fdisk to recreate partions and when it asks if you
want to
enable
large disk support,
choose yes.
I, personally, prefere to use 2 or more partions ( or multiple
hdd's),
the primary for the os and the others from my software/use.

Then format the drive, with the windows 98 diskette
Enter BIOS and set the CD/DVD drive as the 1st boot device and
try
to
re-install XP

If you can't get a windows 98 startup disk or just prefere to
to,
you
can
let the XP CD
recreate it for you.

Or someone elase can lead you throught the commands used to
have
diskpart
delete/make partitions.


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote
in
message
...
I am installing a brand new, right out of the package, hard
drive. I
have
found this problem to be quite common with the Windows XP Pro
installation
on
the search of the web I have done, but nobody seems to be
posting
anything
as
far as whether or not they resolved the issue and how.

I unplugged everything except the parts you indicated below and
the
same
thing occurs.

The BIOS screens are very basic compared to other BIOS screens
that
I

I do not have the previous motherboard.

When I thought that my previous HD had failed, I did try reformatting and
partitioning it. Windows XP did the same thing when installing which is why
I thought the old drive was a goner (the HD crashed and wouldn't load the OS
before I reformatted and tried to reinstall the OS).

I tried the IDE cable from the previous HD, but same deal.

Another interesting thing is going on... Setup stalls at the drivers.cab
file at 17% complete - Then when the OS is trying to install, it crashes at
34 minutes - I am not math wizard, but I do know that 17+17=34...
Coincidence? I can't find much on the www regarding the driver.cab file.

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm sorry, i don't know of any dos based motherboard utilities.
The WD cd will only find problems with the hdd, and it won't necessarily
cause the same lockup as the XP install cd.

I know it's a longshot....but do you still have the previous motherboard
around?


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S.,


I am sure I could find this on the www, but is there a way to diagnose the
motherboard before going out and buying a whole new one? The WD Lifeguard
Tools CD works fine and I would think that there would be conflicts with
that
if it was a motherboard or connections issue. I could be wrong

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when playing
with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for an ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy indicator of
a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue lies
with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard drives and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows 95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something closer
to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd, you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still have
my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am
unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you sure the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I hope i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote in
message
news Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate all of
the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much as I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I had
before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have (it is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed). "Lifeguard
Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City
website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard drive
using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : ) At
one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that I had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only happened
the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am also
a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro Install
Crash
at
34
wrote in message
...
I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP
Pro
it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions
listed
in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please
excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded


"S. Taylor" wrote:

By "replacing a dead hard drive" do you mean you're reinstalling
on
an
existing drive
or did you install a new hard drive?

If the drive is brand new, you shouldn't be having this problem
and
should
take it back.

If the "new" drive is actually a used drive....... I'd say the
timing
it
deciding to die now,
is rotten

If you still want to troubleshoot the problem, first.

Start by removing all removable hardware, you just want the
following
items
in it:
Motherboard
Hard Drive
Memory
Video Card
PS/2 Keyboard
CD/DVD drive

Enter the BIOS and disable all built hardware, such as Sound,
LAN/ethernet,
onboard video, etc.
If you're using a pci or pci-e video make sure your bios is set
to
boot
with
a pci video device.
Or from agp if you're using an agp video card.


Then make sure the IDE is plugged in correctly and has no
obvious
damage,
has no creases trained into, frays, exposed wires or any other
damage
that
say
"replace me!!"
The ide cable should have 3 plugs on it (if it doesn't. it's too
old
and
should be replaced),
2 of whiched will be close to each other and connect to the
drives.
The 3rd connector may be a different color and must be the end
plugged
into
the
motherboard's IDE0 connector

Make sure the cable is firmly seated into the hdd & the
motherboard.
Make sure the hdd's power supply is firmly seated into the back
of
the
drive.

Check the pins on the back of the drive, beside the ide
connector
on
the
drive,
make sure it's set as Master, and that it's plugged into the end
plug
on
the
ide cable.

Boot into BIOS and make sure the hard drive is being recognized
and
that
it
is being
recognized as the correct make/model, by BIOS, and that's being
recognized
as the Primary Master device.

I've never gone through this procedure with XP, so I can only
advise
you
how
to use
a windows 98 startup disk.
If you can get one from someone, then do so.
Boot from the diskette and use fdisk to delete all partitions on
the
drive.
Then use fdisk to recreate partions and when it asks if you want
to
enable
large disk support,
choose yes.
I, personally, prefere to use 2 or more partions ( or multiple
hdd's),
the primary for the os and the others from my software/use.

Then format the drive, with the windows 98 diskette
Enter BIOS and set the CD/DVD drive as the 1st boot device and
try
to
re-install XP

If you can't get a windows 98 startup disk or just prefere to
to,
you
can

Neil - Kind of interesting...

Setup stalls at the drivers.cab file at 17% complete - Then when the OS is
trying to install, it crashes at 34 minutes - I am not math wizard, but I do
know that 17+17=34. I imagine the install is at about 17% after the reboot
and during the attemp to install. Coincidence? I can't find much on the www
regarding the driver.cab file.


"Traci in PDX" wrote:

Yes, CD-ROM and HD each set as master. CD-ROM only thing on it's own IDE
cable. HD only thing on it's own IDE cable. HD Ide cable Blue end plugged
into motherboard.

I did try removing memory a few days ago and my machine would not boot at
all, but I will play musical memory again tonight when I get home. Can't
hurt!

Traci

"neil" wrote:

So you have the new hard drive on its own IDE cable set as primary master on
IDE0 and the cdrom drive on its own cable as primary master on IDE1. Is that
right, and you are sure the drives have their links set correctly.
Just one more thing assuming the hard drive is a ATA133 the cable is a 80
wire with a blue connector at one end, the blue connector should be
connected to the motherboard connector.
But yes you're right to check the memory if you have 2 sticks and can remove
one to half the memory then try the install with just one stick.
Neil

"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
Another interesting tidbit that I just remembered! I have done and redone
the install so many times, I totally forgot where I started!

I actually reformatted and repartitioned the hard drive that I have since
decided was dead and Windows XP Pro did EXACTLY the same thing that it is
doing now. I just figured my HD was totally unusable, so I bought the new
one.

I am going to play around with the Memory sticks too. Seems like that is
a
common issue in the postings on the www.

MS also mentions a hotfix for usbhub.sys, which they think is one of the
causes for this mess. I don't have the faintest idea as to how to use a
hotfix. Any suggestions that a Novice would understand?

Last night, I also found a basic CD-ROM drive that I had replaced with a
DVD-ROM a while back so I dug it out of the box. I connected the IDE
cable
to only that drive (the IDE was originally attached to a master and slave.
I
thought that maybe trying to install the OS that way would be optimal.
When
I went through the whole song and dance routine again, it still crashed,
but
seemed to go a nanosecond longer than the previous times.



"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" wrote:

I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP Pro it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions listed in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please excuse my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded

Hmm, not sure now. Are you sure the CD is ok, there aren't any scratches or
marks on the disk are there. Then again I bet that was the first thing you
thought of.
I'll have a look around the web myself..............

Neil

"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
Neil - Kind of interesting...

Setup stalls at the drivers.cab file at 17% complete - Then when the OS is
trying to install, it crashes at 34 minutes - I am not math wizard, but I
do
know that 17+17=34. I imagine the install is at about 17% after the
reboot
and during the attemp to install. Coincidence? I can't find much on the
www
regarding the driver.cab file.


"Traci in PDX" wrote:

Yes, CD-ROM and HD each set as master. CD-ROM only thing on it's own IDE
cable. HD only thing on it's own IDE cable. HD Ide cable Blue end
plugged
into motherboard.

I did try removing memory a few days ago and my machine would not boot at
all, but I will play musical memory again tonight when I get home. Can't
hurt!

Traci

"neil" wrote:

So you have the new hard drive on its own IDE cable set as primary
master on
IDE0 and the cdrom drive on its own cable as primary master on IDE1. Is
that
right, and you are sure the drives have their links set correctly.
Just one more thing assuming the hard drive is a ATA133 the cable is a
80
wire with a blue connector at one end, the blue connector should be
connected to the motherboard connector.
But yes you're right to check the memory if you have 2 sticks and can
remove
one to half the memory then try the install with just one stick.
Neil

"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
Another interesting tidbit that I just remembered! I have done and
redone
the install so many times, I totally forgot where I started!

I actually reformatted and repartitioned the hard drive that I have
since
decided was dead and Windows XP Pro did EXACTLY the same thing that
it is
doing now. I just figured my HD was totally unusable, so I bought
the new
one.

I am going to play around with the Memory sticks too. Seems like
that is
a
common issue in the postings on the www.

MS also mentions a hotfix for usbhub.sys, which they think is one of
the
causes for this mess. I don't have the faintest idea as to how to
use a
hotfix. Any suggestions that a Novice would understand?

Last night, I also found a basic CD-ROM drive that I had replaced
with a
DVD-ROM a while back so I dug it out of the box. I connected the IDE
cable
to only that drive (the IDE was originally attached to a master and
slave.
I
thought that maybe trying to install the OS that way would be
optimal.
When
I went through the whole song and dance routine again, it still
crashed,
but
seemed to go a nanosecond longer than the previous times.



"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" wrote:

I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows XP Pro it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the suggestions
listed in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded

lol, your math is adding percentile to get minutes
It's just a coincidence, but have you examined your xp cd for scrathes or
cracks or other flaws?

I still think it's the motherboard.
If you have a friend (locally) thats willing to help, try putting your hdd
in his comp (with no other hdds attached) and see if you can install xp onto
it.
If it succeeds, the installation won't be useable on your system, but it
would prove that hdd
is innocent, which would leave only your video card, cd drive & motherboard.
If you have or can borrow a cd/dvd drive & video card to substitute for
yours .......


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
I do not have the previous motherboard.

When I thought that my previous HD had failed, I did try reformatting and
partitioning it. Windows XP did the same thing when installing which is
why
I thought the old drive was a goner (the HD crashed and wouldn't load the
OS
before I reformatted and tried to reinstall the OS).

I tried the IDE cable from the previous HD, but same deal.

Another interesting thing is going on... Setup stalls at the drivers.cab
file at 17% complete - Then when the OS is trying to install, it crashes
at
34 minutes - I am not math wizard, but I do know that 17+17=34...
Coincidence? I can't find much on the www regarding the driver.cab file.

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm sorry, i don't know of any dos based motherboard utilities.
The WD cd will only find problems with the hdd, and it won't necessarily
cause the same lockup as the XP install cd.

I know it's a longshot....but do you still have the previous motherboard
around?


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S.,


I am sure I could find this on the www, but is there a way to diagnose
the
motherboard before going out and buying a whole new one? The WD
Lifeguard
Tools CD works fine and I would think that there would be conflicts
with
that
if it was a motherboard or connections issue. I could be wrong

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when playing
with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper
configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts
the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for an
ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy indicator
of
a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue lies
with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard drives
and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows 95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something
closer
to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd,
you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still
have
my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am
unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you sure
the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I hope
i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote
in
message
news Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate all
of
the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much as
I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I had
before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have (it
is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed).
"Lifeguard
Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City
website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard drive
using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the
hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : ) At
one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that I
had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only happened
the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am
also
a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro
Install
Crash
at
34
wrote in message
...
I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows
XP
Pro
it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the
suggestions
listed
in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please
excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded


"S. Taylor" wrote:

By "replacing a dead hard drive" do you mean you're
reinstalling
on
an
existing drive
or did you install a new hard drive?

If the drive is brand new, you shouldn't be having this
problem
and
should
take it back.

If the "new" drive is actually a used drive....... I'd say
the
timing
it
deciding to die now,
is rotten

If you still want to troubleshoot the problem, first.

Start by removing all removable hardware, you just want the
following
items
in it:
Motherboard
Hard Drive
Memory
Video Card
PS/2 Keyboard
CD/DVD drive

Enter the BIOS and disable all built hardware, such as Sound,
LAN/ethernet,
onboard video, etc.
If you're using a pci or pci-e video make sure your bios is
set
to
boot
with
a pci video device.
Or from agp if you're using an agp video card.


Then make sure the IDE is plugged in correctly and has no
obvious
damage,
has no creases trained into, frays, exposed wires or any
other
damage
that
say
"replace me!!"
The ide cable should have 3 plugs on it (if it doesn't. it's
too
old
and
should be replaced),
2 of whiched will be close to each other and connect to the
drives.
The 3rd connector may be a different color and must be the
end
plugged
into
the
motherboard's IDE0 connector

Make sure the cable is firmly seated into the hdd & the
motherboard.
Make sure the hdd's power supply is firmly seated into the
back
of
the
drive.

Check the pins on the back of the drive, beside the ide
connector
on
the
drive,
make sure it's set as Master, and that it's plugged into the
end
plug
on
the
ide cable.

Boot into BIOS and make sure the hard drive is being
recognized
and
that
it
is being
recognized as the correct make/model, by BIOS, and that's
being
recognized
as the Primary Master device.

I've never gone through this procedure with XP, so I can only
advise
you
how
to use
a windows 98 startup disk.
If you can get one from someone, then do so.
Boot from the diskette and use fdisk to delete all partitions
on
the
drive.
Then use fdisk to recreate partions and when it asks if you
want
to
enable
large disk support,
choose yes.
I, personally, prefere to use 2 or more partions ( or
multiple
hdd's),
the primary for the os and the others from my software/use.

Then format the drive, with the windows 98 diskette
Enter BIOS and set the CD/DVD drive as the 1st boot device
and
try
to
re-install XP

If you can't get a windows 98 startup disk or just prefere to
to,
you
can

I know that I am goofy, but it came to me last night when I was trying to go
to sleep! This OS thing is keeping me up at night scratching my head! Even
the goofiest ideas are starting to sound like possibilities!

All of my friends (all meaning one) have a laptop, so I don't think that
they can help me out. You don't know anyone in the Portland, Oregon area
that enjoys saving damsels in distress do you? Just kidding!

"S. Taylor" wrote:

lol, your math is adding percentile to get minutes
It's just a coincidence, but have you examined your xp cd for scrathes or
cracks or other flaws?

I still think it's the motherboard.
If you have a friend (locally) thats willing to help, try putting your hdd
in his comp (with no other hdds attached) and see if you can install xp onto
it.
If it succeeds, the installation won't be useable on your system, but it
would prove that hdd
is innocent, which would leave only your video card, cd drive & motherboard.
If you have or can borrow a cd/dvd drive & video card to substitute for
yours .......


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
I do not have the previous motherboard.

When I thought that my previous HD had failed, I did try reformatting and
partitioning it. Windows XP did the same thing when installing which is
why
I thought the old drive was a goner (the HD crashed and wouldn't load the
OS
before I reformatted and tried to reinstall the OS).

I tried the IDE cable from the previous HD, but same deal.

Another interesting thing is going on... Setup stalls at the drivers.cab
file at 17% complete - Then when the OS is trying to install, it crashes
at
34 minutes - I am not math wizard, but I do know that 17+17=34...
Coincidence? I can't find much on the www regarding the driver.cab file.

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm sorry, i don't know of any dos based motherboard utilities.
The WD cd will only find problems with the hdd, and it won't necessarily
cause the same lockup as the XP install cd.

I know it's a longshot....but do you still have the previous motherboard
around?


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S.,


I am sure I could find this on the www, but is there a way to diagnose
the
motherboard before going out and buying a whole new one? The WD
Lifeguard
Tools CD works fine and I would think that there would be conflicts
with
that
if it was a motherboard or connections issue. I could be wrong

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when playing
with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper
configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts
the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for an
ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy indicator
of
a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue lies
with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard drives
and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows 95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something
closer
to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd,
you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still
have
my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am
unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you sure
the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I hope
i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com wrote
in
message
news Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate all
of
the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much as
I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I had
before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have (it
is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed).
"Lifeguard
Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City
website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard drive
using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the
hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : ) At
one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that I
had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only happened
the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am
also
a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro
Install
Crash
at
34
wrote in message
...
I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing Windows
XP
Pro
it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the
suggestions
listed
in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so please
excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded


"S. Taylor" wrote:

By "replacing a dead hard drive" do you mean you're
reinstalling
on
an
existing drive
or did you install a new hard drive?

If the drive is brand new, you shouldn't be having this
problem
and
should
take it back.

If the "new" drive is actually a used drive....... I'd say
the
timing
it
deciding to die now,
is rotten

If you still want to troubleshoot the problem, first.

Start by removing all removable hardware, you just want the
following
items
in it:
Motherboard
Hard Drive
Memory
Video Card
PS/2 Keyboard
CD/DVD drive

Enter the BIOS and disable all built hardware, such as Sound,
LAN/ethernet,
onboard video, etc.
If you're using a pci or pci-e video make sure your bios is
set
to
boot
with
a pci video device.
Or from agp if you're using an agp video card.


Then make sure the IDE is plugged in correctly and has no
obvious
damage,
has no creases trained into, frays, exposed wires or any
other
damage
that
say
"replace me!!"
The ide cable should have 3 plugs on it (if it doesn't. it's
too
old

Sorry, noone i know is crazy enough to live there,
Hurricane Magnet USA ... yes
Near the Great Lakes where 10ft+ snowfalls is the norm ...yes
On top of the single most dangerous fault lines in the hemisphere ....yes
In regions that have more "Inbreeding" jokes about it per capita ...yes

But in Oregon? ... that's asking a bit much


But seriously ....
Your problem has been narrowed down to 2 things,
it's caused by either an inability of XP to read a specific location of the
cd ( damaged/dirty cd )
or it's trying write data to a specific location of the hdd.

If the install fails at the same exact point of the install process on both
of your hdd's,
then it's not likely caused by a problem with the drives themselves,
unless Murphy has a crush on you and has cursed you with colosally bad luck.
It's more likely a problem with the motherboard or chipset.
It is either failing or it isn't quit xp compatible.

Out of curiosity, what is the install proccess doing when the lockup
occures?
Is it still in the "copying files ..." proccess?
I'm gonna bet it's beyond that when it crashes, and is actually setting up
the os
or it's at the "Configuring your system ..." phase.

Have you tried to see if XP would try to recover and continue the install
proccess, by
changing the boot sequence to hdd0 1st and cd-rom 2nd, after such a crash?


Otherwise you have 2 choices:
take it into a tech shop (could get expensive)
replace the motherboard (which would probably require a new cpu and new
memory type, if local shops don't still carry boards compatable with your
cpu/memory)







"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
I know that I am goofy, but it came to me last night when I was trying to
go
to sleep! This OS thing is keeping me up at night scratching my head!
Even
the goofiest ideas are starting to sound like possibilities!

All of my friends (all meaning one) have a laptop, so I don't think that
they can help me out. You don't know anyone in the Portland, Oregon area
that enjoys saving damsels in distress do you? Just kidding!

"S. Taylor" wrote:

lol, your math is adding percentile to get minutes
It's just a coincidence, but have you examined your xp cd for scrathes or
cracks or other flaws?

I still think it's the motherboard.
If you have a friend (locally) thats willing to help, try putting your
hdd
in his comp (with no other hdds attached) and see if you can install xp
onto
it.
If it succeeds, the installation won't be useable on your system, but it
would prove that hdd
is innocent, which would leave only your video card, cd drive &
motherboard.
If you have or can borrow a cd/dvd drive & video card to substitute for
yours .......


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
I do not have the previous motherboard.

When I thought that my previous HD had failed, I did try reformatting
and
partitioning it. Windows XP did the same thing when installing which
is
why
I thought the old drive was a goner (the HD crashed and wouldn't load
the
OS
before I reformatted and tried to reinstall the OS).

I tried the IDE cable from the previous HD, but same deal.

Another interesting thing is going on... Setup stalls at the
drivers.cab
file at 17% complete - Then when the OS is trying to install, it
crashes
at
34 minutes - I am not math wizard, but I do know that 17+17=34...
Coincidence? I can't find much on the www regarding the driver.cab
file.

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm sorry, i don't know of any dos based motherboard utilities.
The WD cd will only find problems with the hdd, and it won't
necessarily
cause the same lockup as the XP install cd.

I know it's a longshot....but do you still have the previous
motherboard
around?


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S.,


I am sure I could find this on the www, but is there a way to
diagnose
the
motherboard before going out and buying a whole new one? The WD
Lifeguard
Tools CD works fine and I would think that there would be conflicts
with
that
if it was a motherboard or connections issue. I could be wrong

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when
playing
with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper
configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts
the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for
an
ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy
indicator
of
a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue
lies
with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard
drives
and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows
95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something
closer
to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd,
you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in
message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still
have
my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am
unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you
sure
the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I
hope
i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com
wrote
in
message
news Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate
all
of
the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much
as
I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I
had
before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have
(it
is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed).
"Lifeguard
Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City
website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard
drive
using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the
hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : )
At
one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen
flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that
I
had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only
happened
the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am
also
a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro
Install
Crash
at
34
wrote in message
...
I am replacing a dead hard drive. When installing
Windows
XP
Pro
it
crashes
EVERY time at 34 minutes remaining... I tried the
suggestions
listed
in
the
support section of this MS site and nothing. I have
tried
everything
that I
could find on the internet as well.

Windows XP Pro (not bootleg)
Intel Pentium 4 Processor; 1.80GHz
MV85010A.86A.0038.P15.0207241616
512MB System RAM
Western Digital EIDE Hard Drive
80GB, 7200RPM

I am sort of a Novice at computers and the lingo, so
please
excuse
my
layman's approach to this!
Data Lifeguard Tools Software included/loaded


"S. Taylor" wrote:

By "replacing a dead hard drive" do you mean you're
reinstalling
on
an
existing drive
or did you install a new hard drive?

If the drive is brand new, you shouldn't be having this
problem
and
should
take it back.

If the "new" drive is actually a used drive....... I'd say
the
timing
it
deciding to die now,
is rotten

If you still want to troubleshoot the problem, first.

Start by removing all removable hardware, you just want
the
following
items
in it:
Motherboard
Hard Drive
Memory
Video Card
PS/2 Keyboard
CD/DVD drive

Enter the BIOS and disable all built hardware, such as
Sound,
LAN/ethernet,
onboard video, etc.
If you're using a pci or pci-e video make sure your bios
is
set
to
boot
with
a pci video device.
Or from agp if you're using an agp video card.


Then make sure the IDE is plugged in correctly and has no
obvious
damage,
has no creases trained into, frays, exposed wires or any
other
damage
that
say
"replace me!!"
The ide cable should have 3 plugs on it (if it doesn't.
it's
too
old

I am actually from Detroit, MI. Moved here to get away from the 10ft
snowfalls!

It crashes at installing drivers. It also hangs a bit in the beginning
during setup at drivers.cab, but it does keep going from that point up to the
place that I am now.

I am going to try and update the BIOS this weekend. Wish me luck!

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Sorry, noone i know is crazy enough to live there,
Hurricane Magnet USA ... yes
Near the Great Lakes where 10ft+ snowfalls is the norm ...yes
On top of the single most dangerous fault lines in the hemisphere ....yes
In regions that have more "Inbreeding" jokes about it per capita ...yes

But in Oregon? ... that's asking a bit much


But seriously ....
Your problem has been narrowed down to 2 things,
it's caused by either an inability of XP to read a specific location of the
cd ( damaged/dirty cd )
or it's trying write data to a specific location of the hdd.

If the install fails at the same exact point of the install process on both
of your hdd's,
then it's not likely caused by a problem with the drives themselves,
unless Murphy has a crush on you and has cursed you with colosally bad luck.
It's more likely a problem with the motherboard or chipset.
It is either failing or it isn't quit xp compatible.

Out of curiosity, what is the install proccess doing when the lockup
occures?
Is it still in the "copying files ..." proccess?
I'm gonna bet it's beyond that when it crashes, and is actually setting up
the os
or it's at the "Configuring your system ..." phase.

Have you tried to see if XP would try to recover and continue the install
proccess, by
changing the boot sequence to hdd0 1st and cd-rom 2nd, after such a crash?


Otherwise you have 2 choices:
take it into a tech shop (could get expensive)
replace the motherboard (which would probably require a new cpu and new
memory type, if local shops don't still carry boards compatable with your
cpu/memory)







"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
I know that I am goofy, but it came to me last night when I was trying to
go
to sleep! This OS thing is keeping me up at night scratching my head!
Even
the goofiest ideas are starting to sound like possibilities!

All of my friends (all meaning one) have a laptop, so I don't think that
they can help me out. You don't know anyone in the Portland, Oregon area
that enjoys saving damsels in distress do you? Just kidding!

"S. Taylor" wrote:

lol, your math is adding percentile to get minutes
It's just a coincidence, but have you examined your xp cd for scrathes or
cracks or other flaws?

I still think it's the motherboard.
If you have a friend (locally) thats willing to help, try putting your
hdd
in his comp (with no other hdds attached) and see if you can install xp
onto
it.
If it succeeds, the installation won't be useable on your system, but it
would prove that hdd
is innocent, which would leave only your video card, cd drive &
motherboard.
If you have or can borrow a cd/dvd drive & video card to substitute for
yours .......


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
I do not have the previous motherboard.

When I thought that my previous HD had failed, I did try reformatting
and
partitioning it. Windows XP did the same thing when installing which
is
why
I thought the old drive was a goner (the HD crashed and wouldn't load
the
OS
before I reformatted and tried to reinstall the OS).

I tried the IDE cable from the previous HD, but same deal.

Another interesting thing is going on... Setup stalls at the
drivers.cab
file at 17% complete - Then when the OS is trying to install, it
crashes
at
34 minutes - I am not math wizard, but I do know that 17+17=34...
Coincidence? I can't find much on the www regarding the driver.cab
file.

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm sorry, i don't know of any dos based motherboard utilities.
The WD cd will only find problems with the hdd, and it won't
necessarily
cause the same lockup as the XP install cd.

I know it's a longshot....but do you still have the previous
motherboard
around?


"Traci in PDX" wrote in message
...
S.,


I am sure I could find this on the www, but is there a way to
diagnose
the
motherboard before going out and buying a whole new one? The WD
Lifeguard
Tools CD works fine and I would think that there would be conflicts
with
that
if it was a motherboard or connections issue. I could be wrong

"S. Taylor" wrote:

I'm concerned about your wording in your response to my other post.
You said you took the jumper connector off the hdd?

I've had hdd's in the past that had compatability issues when
playing
with
the
jumper settings.
You should make absolutely certain the drive IS jumpered as Master
The drive should have a schematic indicating the 3 jumper
configurations,
either on it's top or etched onto the back, just above the jumpers.

Since you have 3 EIDE cables, try a different one on the hdd.
It's ok to use different EIDE cable as longe as the cable suppoerts
the
drive type.
i.e. Floppy ide cable for the floppy drive & ATA 133 ide cable for
an
ATA
133 IDE drive
See neils post, about connector colors being used as an easy
indicator
of
a
cable being
ATA 133.

What you say in this post makes me more confident, that the issue
lies
with
your motherboard
itself.

I use a Western Digital 120gb and a Western Digital 14gb hard
drives
and
haven't had any
compatability issues with them, and I've had the 14gb since windows
95
(atleast 5yrs).

It could be a problem with the motherboard's chipset.
I'm guessing it's not an AMDor NVidia chipset, probably something
closer
to
an ALI chipset.

And since you remember having similar issues with the pervious hdd,
you
should
check into bios upgrades ...again.
Use extreme cation when upgrading your bios, use the bios from the
motherboards manufacture, only, and only use thier flash utility.



"Traci in PDX" wrote in
message
...
S. I am using the IDE cable that came with the hard drive (it
specifically
told me to use this in the setup instructions). But I do still
have
my
original cable from my previous HD.

I don't find an anti-virus or MBR protection in my BIOS. I am
unfamiliar
with the BIOS, so I will look through again.

Traci

"S. Taylor" wrote:

Do you have any extra IDE cables you can try out and are you
sure
the
cable you're currently using is "ATA/ATAPI 133" compliant? (I
hope
i
worded
that right )
Do you have the BIOS' "anti-virus" or MBR protection disabled?





"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min"
soft.com
wrote
in
message
news Wow! Everyone has such great advice!!! I really appreciate
all
of
the
replies just since my posting today : ) Great teamwork!

Anna - I basically played around with my BIOS settings as much
as
I
could
to
no avail. After doing this, I reset to the same settings I
had
before
getting myself into this mess!

The Western Digital hard drive is the only hard drive I have
(it
is
exactly
the same size and brand as the one that just crashed).
"Lifeguard
Data
Tools", I later read on the user comments on the Circuit City
website
is
not
compatable with Windows XP Pro. So, I reformatted the hard
drive
using
the
XP Pro CD and created a partition (I don't really understand
partitions,
so I
only did one). Same end result.

Jumper is off. I even tried another setting suggested in the
hard
drive
installation guide, but ulitmately removed the jumper.

I'd say I have repeated the installation process 50 times : )
At
one
point,
it went a tiny bit longer(during installation, the screen
flashes
little
facts about the OS - One time, I was able to see a screen that
I
had
not
seen
before before it crashed, but that was fleeting and only
happened
the
one
time!). I keep hoping that the 51st time is a charm, but I am
also
a
hopeless optimistic!

I will recheck my components.

Traci

"Anna" wrote:


"Windows XP Pro Install Crash at 34 Min" Windows XP Pro
Install
Crash
at