New Windows 10 User dealing with "MyPC".

Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/31/19 3:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result of
having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon associated
with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders on my desktop
TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon to your desktop,
and would probably see what I did--that there's a "recursive" effect.
When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file explorer, I automatically
saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2 different places).Â*Â* I'm not
particular about the format, but I didn't like the redundancy.Â* There
were probably other side effects too (further redundancy) that I didn't
mention.Â* Patrick helped me to zero in on the problem by telling me a
little bit about the "This PC" feature, which was new to me.

Well, duih!!Â* LOLÂ* Now I got it!Â* That redundancy issue has been around
for a long time.Â* I think the first time I heard of it was W98, where
desktop showed up more than once in Windows Explorer.

I don't know if Patrick mentioned it to you, but "This PC" was
"Computer", which was "My Computer", which was xxxxxxxx earlier.Â* If you
go to Google Images, and start searching for File Manager/Windows
Explorer/File Explorer for each version of Windows, starting with W3.11,
you'll see how MS has made this function of a computer more and more
complex and confusing over time.

Yes, the problem in this case seemed to be that this "path"
opened/expanded when I open Desktop at a higher level. If it had
remained closed, as the one that is there now does, there would have
been no complaints my me, in fact it will be handy to have it
there--it's more like my old "My Computer" icon--which is exactly what I
wanted.

Bill



But you'll note in my screenshot of Winfile, there is zero redundancy.
As time has gone on, MS made things more and more confusing visually,
seemingly to totally forget the KISS principle.Â* Which makes it harder
and harder for people to understand how things are organized.

On 12/31/2019 11:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/31/19 8:10 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 10:16 AM, Bill wrote:
knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result
of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon
associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders
on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon
to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a
"recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file
explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2
different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I
didn't like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects
too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me to
zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC"
feature, which was new to me.

Bill
Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.Â* That is the jump
list.Â* When you right click on any executable icon, including File
explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files.

For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list.

You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by
right clicking on the executable icon.Â*Â* This works regardless of
whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list
from the start page.

Is this the functionality you are looking for?


95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the
jump list.Â* Is this different than "Quick Access"?Â* By the way, I like
the Windows 10 taskbar too.

Thanks,
Bill

Yes it is different from the Quick Access.


To illustrate how I use them:Â* I have all of the programs that I use
routinely pinned to the taskbar such as a Browser, Email, word
processor, spreadsheet, Adobe Reader, etc.

When I right click the icon for any of the above, I see a drop down menu
of the last items I accessed using that specific program.Â* With the word
processor I have two documents that are notes/reference data. (DNA
matches)Â* I have these pinned to the Jumplist for that program as I am
always checking matches or adding matches.

An image processing program is pinned to the taskbar.Â* When I right
click on it a get a list of the last pictures I have looked at.

I find I rarely need to access the File Explorer to get what I need.
When I do it is pinned to the taskbar and a right click gives me a list
of the most recent folders I have used.Â* Again the most frequent are
pinned to the File Explorer's jump list.

Please be aware that what you see in the Jumplist is somewhat dependent
on the program.Â*Â* For my Browser, I delete on recently visited websites
when I leave the browser.Â*Â* Therefor there are no Website listed in the
Browser Jumplist.

I have 10 routinely used programs pinned to the taskbar.Â* Using the
Jumplist I have access to over 100 files and folders, with a right click
on a program icon.Â* (This keeps my desktop clear for the my photo
graphs.)

In this type of situation, I think I would have a task view for each
program, and the program running.Â* Then never shut down or restart the
computer unless necessary.Â* I'd also have it set to reopen windows when
started, too.


This is a difference in the way we use a computer. I work on the
philosophy that the best prevention against virus and intrusion is a
computer that is turned off. Therefore when ever I am not using our
computers a hard shut down is performed.

On 1/1/20 5:44 AM, knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 11:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/31/19 8:10 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 10:16 AM, Bill wrote:
knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result
of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon
associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders
on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon
to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a
"recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file
explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2
different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I
didn't like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects
too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me to
zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC"
feature, which was new to me.

Bill
Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.Â* That is the jump
list.Â* When you right click on any executable icon, including File
explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files.

For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list.

You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by
right clicking on the executable icon.Â*Â* This works regardless of
whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list
from the start page.

Is this the functionality you are looking for?


95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the
jump list.Â* Is this different than "Quick Access"?Â* By the way, I like
the Windows 10 taskbar too.

Thanks,
Bill

Yes it is different from the Quick Access.


To illustrate how I use them:Â* I have all of the programs that I use
routinely pinned to the taskbar such as a Browser, Email, word
processor, spreadsheet, Adobe Reader, etc.

When I right click the icon for any of the above, I see a drop down menu
of the last items I accessed using that specific program.Â* With the word
processor I have two documents that are notes/reference data. (DNA
matches)Â* I have these pinned to the Jumplist for that program as I am
always checking matches or adding matches.

An image processing program is pinned to the taskbar.Â* When I right
click on it a get a list of the last pictures I have looked at.

I find I rarely need to access the File Explorer to get what I need.
When I do it is pinned to the taskbar and a right click gives me a list
of the most recent folders I have used.Â* Again the most frequent are
pinned to the File Explorer's jump list.

Please be aware that what you see in the Jumplist is somewhat dependent
on the program.Â*Â* For my Browser, I delete on recently visited websites
when I leave the browser.Â*Â* Therefor there are no Website listed in the
Browser Jumplist.

I have 10 routinely used programs pinned to the taskbar.Â* Using the
Jumplist I have access to over 100 files and folders, with a right click
on a program icon.Â* (This keeps my desktop clear for the my photo
graphs.)

In this type of situation, I think I would have a task view for each
program, and the program running.Â* Then never shut down or restart the
computer unless necessary.Â* I'd also have it set to reopen windows when
started, too.


This is a difference in the way we use a computer. I work on the
philosophy that the best prevention against virus and intrusion is a
computer that is turned off. Therefore when ever I am not using our
computers a hard shut down is performed.

I agree with you, Keith, about the intrusion. But you can have both. :-)

1. Disconnect your computer from within the OS, or physically remove
the Ethernet cable. Physical disconnection could be a PITA, depending
on the hardware.
2. Turn the gateway off. Mine is powered through a surge protected
power strip, and I used to do this. I don't know, but is it possible to
turn a gateway off internally, and still allow it to operate you local
network?
3. Put the computer to sleep or hibernate. I've never read that a
malware intrusion can occur when a computer is in either one of these
states. Possibly an intrusion can occur if wake on LAN is activated,
but again I don't know if that is a possibility.

Basically, I can have your intrusion protection plus my convenience task
views at the same time.

Which I've always had with my Mac. I can turn it off, and when I turn
it back on, the alternate desktops return, and desired software opens in
the desired desired desktop. All since 2009.
--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:53:27 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 1/1/20 5:44 AM, knuttle wrote:

This is a difference in the way we use a computer. I work on the
philosophy that the best prevention against virus and intrusion is a
computer that is turned off. Therefore when ever I am not using our
computers a hard shut down is performed.

I agree with you, Keith, about the intrusion. But you can have both. :-)

1. Disconnect your computer from within the OS, or physically remove
the Ethernet cable. Physical disconnection could be a PITA, depending
on the hardware.
2. Turn the gateway off. Mine is powered through a surge protected
power strip, and I used to do this. I don't know, but is it possible to
turn a gateway off internally, and still allow it to operate you local
network?

Yes, you can disable Internet access while retaining LAN connectivity by
removing the entry for Default Gateway or by changing the entry to an
address other than your actual gateway. To re-enable Internet access, just
reset the proper DG address. There are CLI commands for those things so you
could create one or more batch files to accomplish it for you, or just
click through the GUI. The GUI approach would be a PITA.


3. Put the computer to sleep or hibernate. I've never read that a
malware intrusion can occur when a computer is in either one of these
states. Possibly an intrusion can occur if wake on LAN is activated,
but again I don't know if that is a possibility.

Basically, I can have your intrusion protection plus my convenience task
views at the same time.

Which I've always had with my Mac. I can turn it off, and when I turn
it back on, the alternate desktops return, and desired software opens in
the desired desired desktop. All since 2009.

On 1/1/20 11:35 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 07:53:27 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 1/1/20 5:44 AM, knuttle wrote:

This is a difference in the way we use a computer. I work on the
philosophy that the best prevention against virus and intrusion is a
computer that is turned off. Therefore when ever I am not using our
computers a hard shut down is performed.

I agree with you, Keith, about the intrusion. But you can have both. :-)

1. Disconnect your computer from within the OS, or physically remove
the Ethernet cable. Physical disconnection could be a PITA, depending
on the hardware.
2. Turn the gateway off. Mine is powered through a surge protected
power strip, and I used to do this. I don't know, but is it possible to
turn a gateway off internally, and still allow it to operate you local
network?

Yes, you can disable Internet access while retaining LAN connectivity by
removing the entry for Default Gateway or by changing the entry to an
address other than your actual gateway. To re-enable Internet access, just
reset the proper DG address. There are CLI commands for those things so you
could create one or more batch files to accomplish it for you, or just
click through the GUI. The GUI approach would be a PITA.

Thanks, Char. Have a Happy New Year.


3. Put the computer to sleep or hibernate. I've never read that a
malware intrusion can occur when a computer is in either one of these
states. Possibly an intrusion can occur if wake on LAN is activated,
but again I don't know if that is a possibility.

Basically, I can have your intrusion protection plus my convenience task
views at the same time.

Which I've always had with my Mac. I can turn it off, and when I turn
it back on, the alternate desktops return, and desired software opens in
the desired desired desktop. All since 2009.



--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

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On 12/31/2019 10:16 AM, Bill wrote:
knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.* It wasn't easy to describe.* As a result
of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon
associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders
on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon
to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a
"recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file
explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2
different places).** I'm not particular about the format, but I
didn't like the redundancy.* There were probably other side effects
too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.* Patrick helped me to
zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC"
feature, which was new to me.

Bill
Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.* That is the jump
list.* When you right click on any executable icon, including File
explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files.

For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list.

You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by
right clicking on the executable icon.** This works regardless of
whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list
from the start page.

Is this the functionality you are looking for?


95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the
jump list.* Is this different than "Quick Access"?* By the way, I like
the Windows 10 taskbar too.

Thanks,
Bill

Yes it is different from the Quick Access.


To illustrate how I use them: I have all of the programs that I use
routinely pinned to the taskbar such as a Browser, Email, word
processor, spreadsheet, Adobe Reader, etc.

When I right click the icon for any of the above, I see a drop down menu
of the last items I accessed using that specific program. With the word
processor I have two documents that are notes/reference data. (DNA
matches) I have these pinned to the Jumplist for that program as I am

The feature I currently dislike is that under Control Panel when I
change the view to icons it doesn't remember it and I have to reselect
that option everytime I open Control Panel.

On 1/1/2020 5:13 PM, pjp wrote:
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says...

On 12/31/2019 10:16 AM, Bill wrote:
knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result
of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon
associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders
on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon
to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a
"recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file
explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2
different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I
didn't like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects
too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me to
zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC"
feature, which was new to me.

Bill
Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.Â* That is the jump
list.Â* When you right click on any executable icon, including File
explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files.

For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list.

You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by
right clicking on the executable icon.Â*Â* This works regardless of
whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list
from the start page.

Is this the functionality you are looking for?


95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the
jump list.Â* Is this different than "Quick Access"?Â* By the way, I like
the Windows 10 taskbar too.

Thanks,
Bill

Yes it is different from the Quick Access.


To illustrate how I use them: I have all of the programs that I use
routinely pinned to the taskbar such as a Browser, Email, word
processor, spreadsheet, Adobe Reader, etc.

When I right click the icon for any of the above, I see a drop down menu
of the last items I accessed using that specific program. With the word
processor I have two documents that are notes/reference data. (DNA
matches) I have these pinned to the Jumplist for that program as I am

The feature I currently dislike is that under Control Panel when I
change the view to icons it doesn't remember it and I have to reselect
that option everytime I open Control Panel.

I decide whether I want Icon and it size, or the detail veiw from the
header for the File Explorer. It is under View Tab once selected sticks
for the folder you are viewing at the time.

I like this as some folders have files that are best found by the
description and others by the icon. Spreadsheets and word processing
document seem to be best found by the discription and pictures file by
the icon.