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Old November 12th 19, 11:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default Password hints and settings

On 11/12/19 1:34 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 8:19 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

For those of you who work in the industry as a job/profession, how do
you handle making the settings and answering password hint questions?

Just enter random unguessable **** for the answers, if joined to domain
will use user/admin accounts from domain, if local admin password needs
resetting will use PNordahl's USB boot, or just nuke it and re-start
from fresh.


Hi, Andy.

And if the user, a paying customer, pushes back, is not happy with your
work, how do you handle that situation? :-)



https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html


I proof read what I wrote, and I guess I still didn't get things across
like I wanted. LOL

What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the
answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you
used for answers?


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  #2  
Old November 13th 19, 12:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Password hints and settings

Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 1:34 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 8:19 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

For those of you who work in the industry as a job/profession, how do
you handle making the settings and answering password hint questions?

Just enter random unguessable **** for the answers, if joined to domain
will use user/admin accounts from domain, if local admin password needs
resetting will use PNordahl's USB boot, or just nuke it and re-start
from fresh.

Hi, Andy.

And if the user, a paying customer, pushes back, is not happy with your
work, how do you handle that situation? :-)



https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html


I proof read what I wrote, and I guess I still didn't get things across
like I wanted. LOL

What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the
answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you
used for answers?


There must be some way to populate those fields with " ".

Even "Insert answer here" would do.

Paul

  #3  
Old November 13th 19, 01:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default Password hints and settings

On 11/12/19 4:06 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 1:34 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 8:19 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

For those of you who work in the industry as a job/profession, how do
you handle making the settings and answering password hint questions?

Just enter random unguessable **** for the answers, if joined to domain
will use user/admin accounts from domain, if local admin password needs
resetting will use PNordahl's USB boot, or just nuke it and re-start
from fresh.

Hi, Andy.

And if the user, a paying customer, pushes back, is not happy with your
work, how do you handle that situation? :-)



https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html


I proof read what I wrote, and I guess I still didn't get things across
like I wanted. LOL

What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the
answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you
used for answers?


There must be some way to populate those fields with " ".

Even "Insert answer here" would do.


That brings us back in a circle, what if the user doesn't like that.
Now you have to show them the settings link, but that only works for MS.
What about anything non-MS?

Seems to me, the only way to put your best foot forward is to ask the
customer up front what they want for the MS answers, and they have to
worry about the other ones themselves.


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  #4  
Old November 13th 19, 03:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Password hints and settings

Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 4:06 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 1:34 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 8:19 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

For those of you who work in the industry as a job/profession,
how do
you handle making the settings and answering password hint
questions?

Just enter random unguessable **** for the answers, if joined to
domain
will use user/admin accounts from domain, if local admin password
needs
resetting will use PNordahl's USB boot, or just nuke it and re-start
from fresh.

Hi, Andy.

And if the user, a paying customer, pushes back, is not happy with
your
work, how do you handle that situation? :-)



https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html



I proof read what I wrote, and I guess I still didn't get things across
like I wanted. LOL

What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the
answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you
used for answers?


There must be some way to populate those fields with " ".

Even "Insert answer here" would do.


That brings us back in a circle, what if the user doesn't like that. Now
you have to show them the settings link, but that only works for MS.
What about anything non-MS?

Seems to me, the only way to put your best foot forward is to ask the
customer up front what they want for the MS answers, and they have to
worry about the other ones themselves.


The intention of OOBE, is that customers answer these themselves.
(Out of Box Experience is the "feeling of having a new OS and
getting to define the account for themselves".)

However, the deceptive nature of the interface, makes that
a bit difficult to reconcile. (I've already seen one report
of someone entering an email address because they were
tricked into an MSA. And that doesn't sound right to me.
We can't have customers being tricked into entering the
wrong things.)

I don't see an easy answer, for the "easily tricked". They're
either upset with you or upset with Microsoft.

You could provide a document, showing how to enter the
information correctly, for the local account choice,
or the local account choice followed by the MSA choice
(so the home directory receives the correct "friendly name"
and not the machine generated one of an MSA).

For example, say my email address is "
and my real name is Frank Lloyd Wright. If I enter the local account,
as Frank (and don't enter a last name), I get to have
C:\users\frank\Downloads, which is short and easier to type.
I can apply for my MSA later and get to keep the homedir.

If I were to do the MSA first, my home directory ends up as
C:\users\horra\Downloads and that really ****es most ordinary
folks off. They want to feel like Frank, not the jokey
random name they selected for their throwaway email.

By showing these options, or providing an email sent to the
customers old computer (before they un-crate the new one),
you can provide a PDF showing sensible ways to use OOBE
on the new computer. (You know, "untick all the telemetry
boxes" :-) )

Paul
  #5  
Old November 14th 19, 10:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default Password hints and settings

On 11/13/19 8:35 PM, Jim H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in
, Ken Springer
wrote:

What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the
answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you
used for answers?


Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't
matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message
saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that.


LOL Not a bad idea, though.


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  #6  
Old November 14th 19, 11:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
wasbit[_4_]
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Default Password hints and settings

"Jim H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in

Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't
matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message
saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that.


Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair users.

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wasbit

  #7  
Old November 14th 19, 11:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
David
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Default Password hints and settings

On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote:
"Jim H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in

Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't
matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message
saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that.


Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair
users.


Ha! :-D

Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!!

  #8  
Old November 14th 19, 04:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
David
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Default Password hints and settings

On 14/11/2019 15:42, Jim H wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:51:02 +0000, in ,
David wrote:

On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote:
"Jim H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in

Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't
matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message
saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that.

Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair
users.


Ha! :-D

Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!!



Neither British nor politically correct.


Regardless, you had /me/ fooled, Jim!

You have a nice way with words. :-)
  #9  
Old November 14th 19, 05:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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Default Password hints and settings

On 14/11/2019 10:51, David wrote:
On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote:
"Jim H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in

Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't
matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message
saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that.


Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair
users.


Ha! :-D

Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!!


Irrelevant, really, as the use of the word 'invalid' is perfectly fine
in the UK.

  #10  
Old November 14th 19, 05:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
David
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Default Password hints and settings

On 14/11/2019 16:00, Chris wrote:
On 14/11/2019 10:51, David wrote:
On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote:
"Jim H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in

Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't
matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message
saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that.

Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair
users.


Ha! :-D

Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!!


Irrelevant, really, as the use of the word 'invalid' is perfectly fine
in the UK.


Well, maybe, but it's not nice to be one. :-(

  #11  
Old November 14th 19, 05:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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Default Password hints and settings

On 14/11/2019 03:35, Jim H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in
, Ken Springer
wrote:

What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the
answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you
used for answers?


Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't
matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message
saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that.


I know a few people who put sweary messages in their passwords. Problem
is no-one will be able to see them if the organisation is storing them
properly.

No site or organisation should be able to tell you what your password
is: passwords should be stored encrypted with a salt.

  #12  
Old November 14th 19, 10:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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Default Password hints and settings

David wrote:
On 14/11/2019 16:00, Chris wrote:
On 14/11/2019 10:51, David wrote:
On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote:
"Jim H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in

Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't
matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message
saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that.

Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair
users.

Ha! :-D

Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!!


Irrelevant, really, as the use of the word 'invalid' is perfectly fine
in the UK.


Well, maybe, but it's not nice to be one. :-(


You do realise that "invalid" doesn't need to, and never does, refer to a
person.

  #13  
Old November 15th 19, 11:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
David
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Default Password hints and settings

On 14/11/2019 21:26, Chris wrote:
David wrote:
On 14/11/2019 16:00, Chris wrote:
On 14/11/2019 10:51, David wrote:
On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote:
"Jim H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in

Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't
matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message
saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that.

Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair
users.

Ha! :-D

Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!!

Irrelevant, really, as the use of the word 'invalid' is perfectly fine
in the UK.


Well, maybe, but it's not nice to be one. :-(


You do realise that "invalid" doesn't need to, and never does, refer to a
person.


I do know where you're coming from!

See - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specia...xIndex/Invalid

However, my mother was classed as being an invalid for many years - she
WAS a person! ;-)

 




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