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  #1  
Old November 13th 19, 05:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Commander Kinsey
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Default EU cookie nonsense

I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to allow cookies?
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Old November 13th 19, 06:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
David
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On 13/11/2019 16:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?


I know you were joking .......

........ but I founnd this for you:-

https://www.whoishostingthis.com/res...cookies-guide/

Interesting (to the likes of me!)
  #3  
Old November 13th 19, 06:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Commander Kinsey
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:06:32 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/11/2019 16:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?


I know you were joking .......

........ but I founnd this for you:-

https://www.whoishostingthis.com/res...cookies-guide/

Interesting (to the likes of me!)


I was pointing out the stupidity of the EU legislation, which is 10 times as annoying as cookies, as every ****ing page keeps asking me if I want cookies! If I didn't, I'd turn them off on my browser, ONCE, not on every page!

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you. One of those pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in storing that cookie, the site is then breaking the law. Which means they have to ask you again next time!
  #4  
Old November 13th 19, 07:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Chris
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Default EU cookie nonsense

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to allow cookies?


Nope. If you decline it keeps asking every time you visit the site because,
as you say, it can't record your request. Very annoying.

There are plugins which try and ease the pain, but don't always work.

  #5  
Old November 13th 19, 07:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Neil
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On 11/13/2019 12:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:06:32 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/11/2019 16:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?


I know you were joking .......

****........ but I founnd this for you:-

https://www.whoishostingthis.com/res...cookies-guide/

Interesting (to the likes of me!)


I was pointing out the stupidity of the EU legislation, which is 10
times as annoying as cookies, as every ****ing page keeps asking me if I
want cookies!* If I didn't, I'd turn them off on my browser, ONCE, not
on every page!

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you.* One of those
pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in
storing that cookie, the site is then breaking the law.* Which means
they have to ask you again next time!


If one doesn't want to allow cookies, one turns them off in their
browser. However, every site that relies on cookies will pop up those
annoying screens asking if you'll override that setting for their site.
If the person accepts that option, the site is logged into the
exceptions _in their browser settings_, not on the website.

However, there are many ways that things that are stored on a website to
track users, even across domains, and there is little a user can do
about it. Those methods get grouped into being called "cookies", even
though they aren't and there's no way for a user to opt out.

https://www.howtogeek.com/115483/htg-explains-learn-how-websites-are-tracking-you-online/

--
best regards,

Neil
  #6  
Old November 13th 19, 07:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Commander Kinsey
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:16:51 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to allow cookies?


Nope. If you decline it keeps asking every time you visit the site because,
as you say, it can't record your request. Very annoying.

There are plugins which try and ease the pain, but don't always work.


Since this nonsense has found it's way out of the EU to users all over the world, other governments should be taking the EU to court over it. The EU has no right to inflict this on non-EU countries, which would be most of the world.
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Old November 13th 19, 07:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Commander Kinsey
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:19:48 -0000, Neil wrote:

On 11/13/2019 12:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:06:32 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/11/2019 16:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?

I know you were joking .......

........ but I founnd this for you:-

https://www.whoishostingthis.com/res...cookies-guide/

Interesting (to the likes of me!)


I was pointing out the stupidity of the EU legislation, which is 10
times as annoying as cookies, as every ****ing page keeps asking me if I
want cookies! If I didn't, I'd turn them off on my browser, ONCE, not
on every page!

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you. One of those
pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in
storing that cookie, the site is then breaking the law. Which means
they have to ask you again next time!


If one doesn't want to allow cookies, one turns them off in their
browser. However, every site that relies on cookies will pop up those
annoying screens asking if you'll override that setting for their site.
If the person accepts that option, the site is logged into the
exceptions _in their browser settings_, not on the website.


So you're damned either way. Even if we (I'm in the UK) end up (eventually!) leaving the EU, that **** will still be there, unless the EU dissolves completely, which I was hoping might happen - countries like Germany seemed to have a revolt going on similar to UKIP in the UK, but nothing seemed to come of it.

However, there are many ways that things that are stored on a website to
track users, even across domains, and there is little a user can do
about it. Those methods get grouped into being called "cookies", even
though they aren't and there's no way for a user to opt out.

https://www.howtogeek.com/115483/htg-explains-learn-how-websites-are-tracking-you-online/


If they're all grouped into "cookies", then surely when I say "no", I get none of them?
  #8  
Old November 13th 19, 08:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Char Jackson
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:11:58 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you.


No, not "required", since cookies are just one way to store data.

One of those pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in storing that cookie,


Cookie preferences are stored in browser prefs, not in cookies. The web
server will figure out that you don't like cookies when they send you one
or more and you don't send them back on your next request.

the site is then breaking the law. Which means they have to ask you again next time!


Web sites have to ask each time because they don't store your cookie
preference on their site.

Keep in mind that, unless you're taking active measures to strip cookies,
web sites can and will send cookies to you. There's nothing you can do
about that, short of the active measures mentioned above, including a web
proxy, for example. All your local cookie preferences do is control whether
your browser will *return* those cookies on subsequent requests.

  #9  
Old November 13th 19, 09:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Commander Kinsey
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:18:14 -0000, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:11:58 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you.


No, not "required", since cookies are just one way to store data.


Which makes the cookie law pointless.

One of those pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in storing that cookie,


Cookie preferences are stored in browser prefs, not in cookies.


Global cookie preferences yes, but not "I don't want cookies from the BBC", that would be stored in a BBC cookie surely?

The web
server will figure out that you don't like cookies when they send you one
or more and you don't send them back on your next request.


Doesn't seem so, people have reported that despite blocking them, they are consistantly asked with that bloody banner.

the site is then breaking the law. Which means they have to ask you again next time!


Web sites have to ask each time because they don't store your cookie
preference on their site.


They should do, to make it FAR less annoying.

Keep in mind that, unless you're taking active measures to strip cookies,
web sites can and will send cookies to you. There's nothing you can do
about that, short of the active measures mentioned above, including a web
proxy, for example. All your local cookie preferences do is control whether
your browser will *return* those cookies on subsequent requests.


But presumably if I say no on the EU cookie banner, they aren't allowed to send them.
  #10  
Old November 13th 19, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default EU cookie nonsense

In article op.0a7mbjhewdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:


the site is then breaking the law. Which means they have to ask you again
next time!


Web sites have to ask each time because they don't store your cookie
preference on their site.


They should do, to make it FAR less annoying.


not possible.
  #11  
Old November 13th 19, 09:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Sjouke Burry[_2_]
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On 13.11.19 19:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:19:48 -0000, Neil wrote:

On 11/13/2019 12:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:06:32 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/11/2019 16:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?

I know you were joking .......

........ but I founnd this for you:-

https://www.whoishostingthis.com/res...cookies-guide/

Interesting (to the likes of me!)

I was pointing out the stupidity of the EU legislation, which is 10
times as annoying as cookies, as every ****ing page keeps asking me if I
want cookies! If I didn't, I'd turn them off on my browser, ONCE, not
on every page!

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you. One of those
pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in
storing that cookie, the site is then breaking the law. Which means
they have to ask you again next time!


If one doesn't want to allow cookies, one turns them off in their
browser. However, every site that relies on cookies will pop up those
annoying screens asking if you'll override that setting for their site.
If the person accepts that option, the site is logged into the
exceptions _in their browser settings_, not on the website.


So you're damned either way. Even if we (I'm in the UK) end up (eventually!) leaving the EU, that **** will still be there, unless the EU dissolves completely, which I was hoping might happen - countries like Germany seemed to have a revolt going on similar to UKIP in the UK, but nothing seemed to come of it.

However, there are many ways that things that are stored on a website to
track users, even across domains, and there is little a user can do
about it. Those methods get grouped into being called "cookies", even
though they aren't and there's no way for a user to opt out.

https://www.howtogeek.com/115483/htg-explains-learn-how-websites-are-tracking-you-online/


If they're all grouped into "cookies", then surely when I say "no", I get none of them?

That is not so.
I clean all history and cookies on closing firefox (or so settings say).
Then running ccleaner, ****! still 19 kookies found and deleted.

Anybody know where they come from?
Some sites apparently manage to avoid deletion of their kookies......

  #12  
Old November 13th 19, 10:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Neil
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On 11/13/2019 3:34 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
On 13.11.19 19:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:19:48 -0000, Neil wrote:

On 11/13/2019 12:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:06:32 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/11/2019 16:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?

I know you were joking .......

Â*Â*Â*Â* ........ but I founnd this for you:-

https://www.whoishostingthis.com/res...cookies-guide/

Interesting (to the likes of me!)

I was pointing out the stupidity of the EU legislation, which is 10
times as annoying as cookies, as every ****ing page keeps asking me
if I
want cookies!Â* If I didn't, I'd turn them off on my browser, ONCE, not
on every page!

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you.Â* One of
those
pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in
storing that cookie, the site is then breaking the law.Â* Which means
they have to ask you again next time!

If one doesn't want to allow cookies, one turns them off in their
browser. However, every site that relies on cookies will pop up those
annoying screens asking if you'll override that setting for their site.
If the person accepts that option, the site is logged into the
exceptions _in their browser settings_, not on the website.


So you're damned either way.Â* Even if we (I'm in the UK) end up
(eventually!) leaving the EU, that **** will still be there, unless
the EU dissolves completely, which I was hoping might happen -
countries like Germany seemed to have a revolt going on similar to
UKIP in the UK, but nothing seemed to come of it.

However, there are many ways that things that are stored on a website to
track users, even across domains, and there is little a user can do
about it. Those methods get grouped into being called "cookies", even
though they aren't and there's no way for a user to opt out.

https://www.howtogeek.com/115483/htg-explains-learn-how-websites-are-tracking-you-online/


If they're all grouped into "cookies", then surely when I say "no", I
get none of them?

That is not so.
I clean all history and cookies on closing firefox (or so settings say).
Then running ccleaner,Â* ****! still 19 kookies found and deleted.

Anybody know where they come from?
Some sites apparently manage to avoid deletion of their kookies......

One can not delete cookies from a website under any circumstances. They
exist server-side and have no way to be accessed from a browser.

Sites where you allow cookies are stored in your browser's exceptions,
and that is all you have access to.

--
best regards,

Neil
  #13  
Old November 13th 19, 10:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Neil
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On 11/13/2019 1:50 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:19:48 -0000, Neil wrote:

On 11/13/2019 12:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:06:32 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/11/2019 16:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?

I know you were joking .......

*** ........ but I founnd this for you:-

https://www.whoishostingthis.com/res...cookies-guide/

Interesting (to the likes of me!)

I was pointing out the stupidity of the EU legislation, which is 10
times as annoying as cookies, as every ****ing page keeps asking me if I
want cookies!* If I didn't, I'd turn them off on my browser, ONCE, not
on every page!

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you.* One of those
pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in
storing that cookie, the site is then breaking the law.* Which means
they have to ask you again next time!


If one doesn't want to allow cookies, one turns them off in their
browser. However, every site that relies on cookies will pop up those
annoying screens asking if you'll override that setting for their site.
If the person accepts that option, the site is logged into the
exceptions _in their browser settings_, not on the website.


So you're damned either way.* Even if we (I'm in the UK) end up
(eventually!) leaving the EU, that **** will still be there, unless the
EU dissolves completely, which I was hoping might happen - countries
like Germany seemed to have a revolt going on similar to UKIP in the UK,
but nothing seemed to come of it.

However, there are many ways that things that are stored on a website to
track users, even across domains, and there is little a user can do
about it. Those methods get grouped into being called "cookies", even
though they aren't and there's no way for a user to opt out.

https://www.howtogeek.com/115483/htg-explains-learn-how-websites-are-tracking-you-online/


If they're all grouped into "cookies", then surely when I say "no", I
get none of them?


No...the methods I was referring to, several of which are described in
the linked reference, are NOT cookies. Visitors to a site will not be
asked if they want to accept them, and there is no way to block them.

If you want more privacy, get off line ASAP. But, even then you'll be
tracked by facial recognition technology. ;-)

See: "Blade Runner" 8-D

--
best regards,

Neil
  #14  
Old November 13th 19, 10:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Char Jackson
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:10:21 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:18:14 -0000, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:11:58 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you.


No, not "required", since cookies are just one way to store data.


Which makes the cookie law pointless.

One of those pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in storing that cookie,


Cookie preferences are stored in browser prefs, not in cookies.


Global cookie preferences yes, but not "I don't want cookies from the BBC", that would be stored in a BBC cookie surely?


No, it wouldn't makes sense to store a cookie preference in a cookie. It
should be stored as a browser preference.

The web
server will figure out that you don't like cookies when they send you one
or more and you don't send them back on your next request.


Doesn't seem so, people have reported that despite blocking them, they are consistantly asked with that bloody banner.


Yes, of course they get asked. The web server sends cookies. It's what they
do. You have no control over that, but you can control what happens on your
end. You can configure your browser not to send them back.

HTTP is a stateless protocol. The web server doesn't keep track of you or
what you're doing during your session. Heck, it doesn't even know you're
doing a 'session' since each request/response pair is standalone. The web
server needs some other way to tie your requests together. Cookies are one
popular way to do that, but not the only way. For example, rather than
stick a session ID into a cookie, some sites encode the session ID and
append it to the URI. There are other ways, as well.

the site is then breaking the law. Which means they have to ask you again next time!


Web sites have to ask each time because they don't store your cookie
preference on their site.


They should do, to make it FAR less annoying.


Not practical, so no.

Keep in mind that, unless you're taking active measures to strip cookies,
web sites can and will send cookies to you. There's nothing you can do
about that, short of the active measures mentioned above, including a web
proxy, for example. All your local cookie preferences do is control whether
your browser will *return* those cookies on subsequent requests.


But presumably if I say no on the EU cookie banner, they aren't allowed to send them.


I don't know what that banner says but here in the States we get a banner
or footer advising us that the site uses cookies to store user information.
There is no yes or no, just an acknowledgment that you understand.


  #15  
Old November 13th 19, 11:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Commander Kinsey
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Default EU cookie nonsense

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:33:43 -0000, Neil wrote:

On 11/13/2019 3:34 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
On 13.11.19 19:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:19:48 -0000, Neil wrote:

On 11/13/2019 12:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:06:32 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/11/2019 16:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?

I know you were joking .......

........ but I founnd this for you:-

https://www.whoishostingthis.com/res...cookies-guide/

Interesting (to the likes of me!)

I was pointing out the stupidity of the EU legislation, which is 10
times as annoying as cookies, as every ****ing page keeps asking me
if I
want cookies! If I didn't, I'd turn them off on my browser, ONCE, not
on every page!

My point is, a cookie is required to store data about you. One of
those
pieces of data would have to be "David doesn't want cookies", but in
storing that cookie, the site is then breaking the law. Which means
they have to ask you again next time!

If one doesn't want to allow cookies, one turns them off in their
browser. However, every site that relies on cookies will pop up those
annoying screens asking if you'll override that setting for their site.
If the person accepts that option, the site is logged into the
exceptions _in their browser settings_, not on the website.

So you're damned either way. Even if we (I'm in the UK) end up
(eventually!) leaving the EU, that **** will still be there, unless
the EU dissolves completely, which I was hoping might happen -
countries like Germany seemed to have a revolt going on similar to
UKIP in the UK, but nothing seemed to come of it.

However, there are many ways that things that are stored on a website to
track users, even across domains, and there is little a user can do
about it. Those methods get grouped into being called "cookies", even
though they aren't and there's no way for a user to opt out.

https://www.howtogeek.com/115483/htg-explains-learn-how-websites-are-tracking-you-online/


If they're all grouped into "cookies", then surely when I say "no", I
get none of them?

That is not so.
I clean all history and cookies on closing firefox (or so settings say).
Then running ccleaner, ****! still 19 kookies found and deleted.

Anybody know where they come from?
Some sites apparently manage to avoid deletion of their kookies......

One can not delete cookies from a website under any circumstances. They
exist server-side and have no way to be accessed from a browser.

Sites where you allow cookies are stored in your browser's exceptions,
and that is all you have access to.


He never said he wanted to delete them from the server. What are you on about?
 




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