EU cookie nonsense

On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:48:39 -0000, Chris wrote:

On 13/11/2019 22:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:53:44 -0000, Char Jackson wrote:

HTTP is a stateless protocol. The web server doesn't keep track of you or
what you're doing during your session. Heck, it doesn't even know you're
doing a 'session' since each request/response pair is standalone. The web
server needs some other way to tie your requests together. Cookies are
one
popular way to do that, but not the only way. For example, rather than
stick a session ID into a cookie, some sites encode the session ID and
append it to the URI. There are other ways, as well.

This is one reason I normally just say yes to cookies. If I'm buying
some stuff online, I don't want the shopping bag to go missing and
forget what I was buying.

Those are "session" cookies which are exempt from the EU regs as they
are required for the functioning of the site and are never stored beyond
the end of the session. Nor do they store any personal information.

Saying "No" to cookies doesn't stop session cookies.

Ah, I wasn't aware of "session cookies".

In article op.0a9hnqmbwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

Since this nonsense has found it's way out of the EU to users all over
the world, other governments should be taking the EU to court over it.
The EU has no right to inflict this on non-EU countries, which would be
most of the world.

They're not.

I've seen many a Canadian and American say they have to click the damn
things. Sure, a site can detect your IP and decide you're not in the EU, but
clearly some don't bother checking and just ask everyone.

they have to, since the location can be spoofed.

On 14/11/2019 20:30, nospam wrote:
In article op.0a9hnqmbwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

Since this nonsense has found it's way out of the EU to users all over
the world, other governments should be taking the EU to court over it.
The EU has no right to inflict this on non-EU countries, which would be
most of the world.

They're not.

I've seen many a Canadian and American say they have to click the damn
things. Sure, a site can detect your IP and decide you're not in the EU, but
clearly some don't bother checking and just ask everyone.

they have to, since the location can be spoofed.

He knows - that's how he can access Pirate Bay from the UK! ;-)

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:41:48 -0000, Chris wrote:

On 13/11/2019 18:47, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:16:51 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?

Nope. If you decline it keeps asking every time you visit the site
because,
as you say, it can't record your request. Very annoying.

There are plugins which try and ease the pain, but don't always work.

Since this nonsense has found it's way out of the EU to users all over
the world, other governments should be taking the EU to court over it.
The EU has no right to inflict this on non-EU countries, which would be
most of the world.

They're not.

I've seen many a Canadian and American say they have to click the damn
things. Sure, a site can detect your IP and decide you're not in the EU,
but clearly some don't bother checking and just ask everyone.

If the site is based in the EU they have to apply the regs regardless of
where the visitor is from.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 21:15:50 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:41:48 -0000, Chris wrote:

On 13/11/2019 18:47, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:16:51 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?

Nope. If you decline it keeps asking every time you visit the site
because,
as you say, it can't record your request. Very annoying.

There are plugins which try and ease the pain, but don't always work.

Since this nonsense has found it's way out of the EU to users all over
the world, other governments should be taking the EU to court over it.
The EU has no right to inflict this on non-EU countries, which would be
most of the world.

They're not.

I've seen many a Canadian and American say they have to click the damn
things. Sure, a site can detect your IP and decide you're not in the EU,
but clearly some don't bother checking and just ask everyone.

If the site is based in the EU they have to apply the regs regardless of
where the visitor is from.

Which is absurd, and backs up what I said earlier, they are taking over the world. America didn't ask for those banners.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 20:38:38 +0000, David wrote:

He knows - that's how he can access Pirate Bay from the UK

Have you reported him yet?

---------------
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hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
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In article , Chris wrote:
....
If the site is based in the EU they have to apply the regs regardless of
where the visitor is from.


The problem is the converse. The EU seems to think that if it is (or might
be) being displayed on an EU screen, then their regs apply.

Since this later category includes every website in the known universe,
this does mean that every website in the world will have the nonsense.

--
Marshall: 10/22/51
Jessica: 4/4/79

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:53:51 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 01:36:16 -0000, Shadow wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:10:21 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

Cookie preferences are stored in browser prefs, not in cookies.

Global cookie preferences yes, but not "I don't want cookies from the
BBC", that would be stored in a BBC cookie surely?

Firefox -- Options --Privacy-- Accept Cookies --
Exceptions.

https://postimg.cc/vxwg7wKR

(no scripting necessary to view)

It's been there for a decade, at least.
(That's from an old Palemoon, I'm on my laptop)

I don't use Firefox.

And? What's the name of your browser ? Hasenpfeffer ?

Opera.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_%28web_browser%29

Opera is a Chromium-based browser using the Blink layout engine.

*******

"Manage cookies in pages

Cookies are small data files that store information in connection
with a website. For example, a cookie may be created to store the
contents of a shopping basket or to confirm that you are logged
in as you browse the pages of a site.

Cookies can also be used to construct a profile of your browsing
habits and are therefore regarded by some as a privacy issue.
Setting cookie preferences gives you control of how Opera handles
them. The default setting is to accept all cookies. To set your
cookie preferences:

Go to Settings.
Click Advanced in the left sidebar, and click Privacy & security.
Under Privacy and security, click Site settings.
Click Cookies.

At the top, turn on or off Allow sites to save and read cookie
data (recommended).

There are two additional options for handling cookies:

Keep local data only until you quit your browser –
Deletes cookies that have been added after this
preference was enabled when closing the browser.

Block third-party cookies – Blocks cookies set
by other websites whose content is displayed in
frames or images on the current website you are
visiting. Blocking third-party cookies will allow
only the cookies for the site you are visiting to
be set on your system.

Click the Add button next to the Block, Clear on exit,
or Allow sections to set site-specific cookie preferences
for websites.

Type [*.] before the domain name to create an exception for
an entire domain name. Creating an [*.]opera.com cookie exception
will apply to pages such as blogs.opera.com and addons.opera.com.
IP addresses can also be added as exceptions.
"

But there's no picture on that web page, to demonstrate.

On the old Opera, it's the "Manage Cookies".

https://c.tadst.com/gfx/screenshots/op-cookies-3.png

On the newer one, it might have been removed, so you'll
have to test. The newer Opera uses a Chrome-like method.

https://forums.opera.com/topic/28443...with-cookies/7

opera://settings/siteData?search=cookies

This is similar to

chrome://settings
chrome://flags
chrome://gpu

and so on - a rubbish way to start your day

Paul

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 21:15:50 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:41:48 -0000, Chris wrote:

On 13/11/2019 18:47, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:16:51 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?

Nope. If you decline it keeps asking every time you visit the site
because,
as you say, it can't record your request. Very annoying.

There are plugins which try and ease the pain, but don't always work.

Since this nonsense has found it's way out of the EU to users all over
the world, other governments should be taking the EU to court over it.
The EU has no right to inflict this on non-EU countries, which would be
most of the world.

They're not.

I've seen many a Canadian and American say they have to click the damn
things. Sure, a site can detect your IP and decide you're not in the EU,
but clearly some don't bother checking and just ask everyone.

If the site is based in the EU they have to apply the regs regardless of
where the visitor is from.

Which is absurd, and backs up what I said earlier, they are taking over
the world. America didn't ask for those banners.

It's no different than if an American were to physically come to the EU to
do some shopping. They have to accept the regulations under which the shop
has to comply with.

On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:52:11 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 21:15:50 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:41:48 -0000, Chris wrote:

On 13/11/2019 18:47, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:16:51 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I wonder, is a cookie required to remember that you selected not to
allow cookies?

Nope. If you decline it keeps asking every time you visit the site
because,
as you say, it can't record your request. Very annoying.

There are plugins which try and ease the pain, but don't always work.

Since this nonsense has found it's way out of the EU to users all over
the world, other governments should be taking the EU to court over it.
The EU has no right to inflict this on non-EU countries, which would be
most of the world.

They're not.

I've seen many a Canadian and American say they have to click the damn
things. Sure, a site can detect your IP and decide you're not in the EU,
but clearly some don't bother checking and just ask everyone.

If the site is based in the EU they have to apply the regs regardless of
where the visitor is from.

Which is absurd, and backs up what I said earlier, they are taking over
the world. America didn't ask for those banners.

It's no different than if an American were to physically come to the EU to
do some shopping. They have to accept the regulations under which the shop
has to comply with.

Not the same thing at all. We browse the web not caring where the server is.

Anyway you're wrong. Let's say you sell a widget online, say on Ebay. If you sell it to UK customers, you have to meet certain UK safety regulations. But not if you sell it to another country, then you have to meet theirs, not ours. It's the place the customer lives that matters, they expect your product to meet their standards, not that of the UK.