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Old December 5th 19, 02:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/4/2019 2:50 PM, David wrote:
According to the article .....

Here are the MS Office alternatives at a glance:

Google Docs
LibreOffice
Office Online
Apple iWork
WPS Office
Calligra Office
DropBox Paper

Details he https://fossbytes.com/best-alternati...rosoft-office/

Would you recommend one of the above for use with Windows 10 or would
you suggest Open Office? https://www.openoffice.org



Several points:

1. I have only very little experience with LibreOffice or OpenOffice,
but they are fairly similar. And as I understand it, LibreOffice is the
best of the Microsoft Office compatible suites.


Yeah, LO was forked off of OO when (IIRC) Oracle got their hands on it
(possibly by purchasing whoever owned it beforehand -- Sun maybe?).
Changed the licensing, and a lot of the "community devs" didn't like
that.



2. I don't know all of these, but as far as I know, none of them
provide compatible alternative to all the Microsoft Office components.
For example, I think an Outlook-compatible program is missing from all
of them.


Quite so. In addition, where they are compatible (e.g. LO Writer -- MS
Word), one will experience hurdles similar to two differing MS Office
versions (e.g. Office 365 -- Office 201x).

I think the only thing that is an absolute "no" is the use of MS Office
/ VBA macros.


3. It's only one component of any office suite, but to most people, the
word processor is the most important component. And as far as I'm
concerned, Corel WordPerfect is far better than either Microsoft Word or
any of the compatible word processors.


I see your wordperfect, and raise you LaTeX.

(Well, for some cases, LaTeX has been a real savior -- although I
haven't actually *needed* its typeset / mathematics features in a decade
now).

[... snip 4 as I addressed it in 2 ...]


6. Personally, I don't try to stick with all the programs in a single
suite. I dislike the whole concept of a suite, and try to use what I
think are the best programs of each type without regard to what suite


This is a really good point. Find the specific program that does the
specific task best. Also helps keep you from getting stuck in that "But
in $program, $thing works in this way" rut.


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Old December 5th 19, 02:54 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Nicodemus" wrote

| First thing get off w10 and ditch that microsoft habit, the internet will
| survive without microsoft

The Internet will but business won't. It's the same
with Adobe. The two companies have such successful
monopolies that their overpaying customers hardly even
know that they're using the products. In business there
are no other products.

The woman I live with supervises grade-school teacher
trainees. Everyone wants to send her Google docs. Which
is not a doc but a spyware website. She insists on a file.
They send MSO X-files. She has MSO 2000 and Libre Office.
So she needs LO for most things. These people don't
understand how to save a docx as doc. Last night and
this morning she struggled to remove the background
colors (ink waste!) from a techer's schedule table made
as a PPTX and then print it. Various problems came up.
Finally the solution was to export as PDF. (Not SaveAs,
mind you. The OSS people have a religious dictum that
all program menus must have a File - Export item where
all useful file formats are hidden, breaking decades of
software menu tradition over format arrogance.)

It was no small project. LO couldn't handle printing what
it was showing. The woman who sent the PPTX probably has
no idea it's a PPTX. She just took some course on how to
appear as an official office person with official office person
skills. (And apparently she has HP stock. Her giant, multi-page
schedule table has different color backrounds in each cell.

So if you think MS and Adobe are going to collapse then
you'll have to start by telling millions of people who work
in offices and graphics shops what Microsoft and Adobe are.
They really don't know. Most don't even know they're using
Windows. (They do know if they're using Mac but that's only
because they paid twice what it's worth to show off the logo.)

| you must endure for the best
| is yet to come.
|

Oh? What would that be? The massively bloated LO that
can't install only one program, no longer supports XP,
includes Java crap, uses about 1/2 GB of disk space and
still can't support MSO files properly? Or are you perhaps
thinking of the 25 year old GIMP that's still not worth
wrestling with and last time I checked still didn't have a
real MDI GUI workspace?

OSS will never reach maturity until it has a reason beyond
geeks who want to impress their friends with their coding
prowess and resentment of Microsoft. Jealousy is not a
good motive for creating good software.

And top quality OSS will never come from people who
subscribe to the myth of cross-platform compatibility. If you
can't write it in native code then let someone else do it.
Don't try to fudge it with gobs of Java, Python, and
god-knows-what-else that don't really work.


  #18  
Old December 5th 19, 03:22 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:54:49 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Nicodemus" wrote

| First thing get off w10 and ditch that microsoft habit, the internet will
| survive without microsoft

The Internet will but business won't. It's the same
with Adobe. The two companies have such successful
monopolies that their overpaying customers hardly even
know that they're using the products. In business there
are no other products.

The woman I live with supervises grade-school teacher
trainees. Everyone wants to send her Google docs. Which
is not a doc but a spyware website. She insists on a file.
They send MSO X-files. She has MSO 2000 and Libre Office.
So she needs LO for most things. These people don't
understand how to save a docx as doc. Last night and
this morning she struggled to remove the background
colors (ink waste!) from a techer's schedule table made
as a PPTX and then print it. Various problems came up.
Finally the solution was to export as PDF. (Not SaveAs,
mind you. The OSS people have a religious dictum that
all program menus must have a File - Export item where
all useful file formats are hidden, breaking decades of
software menu tradition over format arrogance.)

It was no small project. LO couldn't handle printing what
it was showing. The woman who sent the PPTX probably has
no idea it's a PPTX. She just took some course on how to
appear as an official office person with official office person
skills. (And apparently she has HP stock. Her giant, multi-page
schedule table has different color backrounds in each cell.

So if you think MS and Adobe are going to collapse then
you'll have to start by telling millions of people who work
in offices and graphics shops what Microsoft and Adobe are.
They really don't know. Most don't even know they're using
Windows. (They do know if they're using Mac but that's only
because they paid twice what it's worth to show off the logo.)

| you must endure for the best
| is yet to come.
|

Oh? What would that be? The massively bloated LO that
can't install only one program, no longer supports XP,
includes Java crap, uses about 1/2 GB of disk space and
still can't support MSO files properly? Or are you perhaps
thinking of the 25 year old GIMP that's still not worth
wrestling with and last time I checked still didn't have a
real MDI GUI workspace?

OSS will never reach maturity until it has a reason beyond
geeks who want to impress their friends with their coding
prowess and resentment of Microsoft. Jealousy is not a
good motive for creating good software.

And top quality OSS will never come from people who
subscribe to the myth of cross-platform compatibility. If you
can't write it in native code then let someone else do it.
Don't try to fudge it with gobs of Java, Python, and
god-knows-what-else that don't really work.


I'm a simple guy. No macros, just typed words and a spell
checker. Maybe a copy and pasted image or two.
I use Atlantis for any personal docs, configured to save as
RTF by default.

Free version he

https://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/lite.htm

There's a full version too, but it takes up a lot of space,
and it's expensive(irony intended).
[]'s

PS I also have LibreOffice portable v5.4.7.2(with Java
disabled) and the latest portable OpenOffice. But I tend to use them
only for "viewing" stuff.
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Old December 5th 19, 03:27 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In article , Mayayana
wrote:

The woman I live with supervises grade-school teacher
trainees. Everyone wants to send her Google docs. Which
is not a doc but a spyware website. She insists on a file.
They send MSO X-files. She has MSO 2000 and Libre Office.
So she needs LO for most things. These people don't
understand how to save a docx as doc. Last night and
this morning she struggled to remove the background
colors (ink waste!) from a techer's schedule table made
as a PPTX and then print it. Various problems came up.


there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must,
the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage.

Finally the solution was to export as PDF. (Not SaveAs,
mind you. The OSS people have a religious dictum that
all program menus must have a File - Export item where
all useful file formats are hidden, breaking decades of
software menu tradition over format arrogance.)


format conversions are different than saving, thus it being placed in a
separate export menu.

So if you think MS and Adobe are going to collapse then
you'll have to start by telling millions of people who work
in offices and graphics shops what Microsoft and Adobe are.
They really don't know. Most don't even know they're using
Windows.


they know, although not necessarily which version.

(They do know if they're using Mac but that's only
because they paid twice what it's worth to show off the logo.)


nonsense. prices are comparable for similar specs.

| you must endure for the best
| is yet to come.
|

Oh? What would that be? The massively bloated LO that
can't install only one program, no longer supports XP,
includes Java crap, uses about 1/2 GB of disk space and
still can't support MSO files properly?


xp is obsolete and 1/2 gig is nothing these days, but you're correct on
not properly supporting office files and java crap.

Or are you perhaps
thinking of the 25 year old GIMP that's still not worth
wrestling with and last time I checked still didn't have a
real MDI GUI workspace?


mdi is limiting, particularly on larger displays.

OSS will never reach maturity until it has a reason beyond
geeks who want to impress their friends with their coding
prowess and resentment of Microsoft. Jealousy is not a
good motive for creating good software.


mostly true.

And top quality OSS will never come from people who
subscribe to the myth of cross-platform compatibility. If you
can't write it in native code then let someone else do it.
Don't try to fudge it with gobs of Java, Python, and
god-knows-what-else that don't really work.


very true, and it doesn't require 'gobs of java'.

cross-platform code can at best be the lowest common denominator of all
of the platforms because nobody wants to re-implement the differences
each platform has to offer.

typically, it works fine on one platform (whatever the original authors
prefer) and poorly on the rest. this is particularly true when they use
non-native ui elements to avoid learning every platform, making it feel
wrong and very obvious that it's a bad port.

it's possible to do it well, but that's the exception, not the rule.
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Old December 5th 19, 03:29 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 12/5/19 3:12 AM, Mick Finnlay wrote:
David wrote:

According to the article .....

snipped
Details he https://fossbytes.com/best-alternati...rosoft-office/

Would you recommend one of the above for use with Windows 10 or would
you suggest Open Office? https://www.openoffice.org


I am amazed that nobody so far has mentioned SoftMaker and their free
(yes, real FREEWARE!) FreeOffice: https://www.freeoffice.com/en/

I've used this (mostly the text and spreadsheet components) for many
years and it has been (and still is) stellar. Like all non-MS office
packages it doesn't support VBA macros but it does have its own
fully-fledged macro language.

In my experience FO is at least as good in opening all sorts of MS
document formats as the various MS Office versions (it was already
mentioned that MS Office is not always compatible with itself... which
is true).

Another big advantage (for me) is that FreeOffice is also available
natively for Linux (ie not running under Wine).

It also supports portable installs.

Check its features, it's worth a look or two.


You beat me to this, Mick. I use the paid version, 2016. Current it
2018. I simply like it.

It's fully cross platform now, IMO, as there's also a Mac version.

Everyone advertises MS compatibility, but it varies.

I really fell in love with a processor called Papyrus, also from
Germany. I used it on the Atari systems. It's supposed to be very MS
compatible. https://www.papyrusauthor.com/

They want you to join the beta team, and I did this for a short time. I
was testing a lot of word processors at the time, because I wanted to
know if they were worth recommending to others, and looking for
something simple for beginners. None of the programs mentioned so far
fall into the simple category.

Like Word Perfect being geared for the legal profession, Papyrus is
geared for the writer/novelist. But like Word Perfect, you can use it
as just a plain word processor.

One program I never got around to trying out is LyX Document Processor.
It's free, and apparently recommended by many university science and
math department. It's free. It's not for the beginner.


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Old December 5th 19, 03:44 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Default 7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite — 2019 Edition

On 12/4/19 2:50 PM, David wrote:
According to the article .....

Here are the MS Office alternatives at a glance:

Google Docs
LibreOffice
Office Online
Apple iWork
WPS Office
Calligra Office
DropBox Paper

Details he https://fossbytes.com/best-alternati...rosoft-office/

Would you recommend one of the above for use with Windows 10 or would
you suggest Open Office? https://www.openoffice.org

TIA


Personally, I would not use any of the online products.

1. I have no need to share docs between systems, and the very rare
times I do, my systems here are networked. So no problems there.
2. I don't want my documents in the hands of someone else. But if
you're a business, you may very well have a genuine need for this.
3. My impression, and it may be faulty, they are not as feature rich as
client versions.

Calligra is also an offshoot of Open Office/Libre Office. I didn't care
for the UI, but that's no reason not to check it out, as that's a
personal prefernce.

Someone at Fossbytes needs to update their infoi.

Apple iWork is gone, I think 2011 was the last version. It was also a
paid for suite, and I have 2009. Did not care for the UI, again a
persoinal choice.

Apple split the programs apart, so they are no longer a suite. But,
they are now free, available from the App Store. But they are Mac only.



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Old December 5th 19, 04:28 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 04/12/2019 22:58, Big Al wrote:
On 12/4/19 4:50 PM, David wrote:
According to the article .....

Here are the MS Office alternatives at a glance:

Google Docs
LibreOffice
Office Online
Apple iWork
WPS Office
Calligra Office
DropBox Paper

Details he https://fossbytes.com/best-alternati...rosoft-office/

Would you recommend one of the above for use with Windows 10 or would
you suggest Open Office?Â* https://www.openoffice.org

TIA

LibreOffice


+1

LibreOffice is OK.

Fokke
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Old December 5th 19, 04:41 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Shadow" wrote

| I'm a simple guy. No macros, just typed words and a spell
| checker. Maybe a copy and pasted image or two.

I don't do much more. Business receipts and contracts.
But I need to be able to deal with doc and docx when others
send them. So despite my criticisms, I'm grateful for
Libre Office. For me it's an adequate MSO replacement.

I have a DOC estimate and receipt template. After a
job I save that as PDF and I can email the PDF. Very
professional looking. Most people don't want a paper
receipt anymore.


  #24  
Old December 5th 19, 05:11 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 2019-12-05, Mayayana wrote:
The Internet will but business won't.


I've been in business for about 30 years and have never used
Microsoft Office. However I'm not dealing with complex documents.

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Old December 5th 19, 06:28 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Default 7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite — 2019 Edition

On 2019-12-05 09:44, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/4/19 2:50 PM, David wrote:
According to the article .....

Here are the MS Office alternatives at a glance:

Google Docs
LibreOffice
Office Online
Apple iWork
WPS Office
Calligra Office
DropBox Paper

Details he https://fossbytes.com/best-alternati...rosoft-office/

Would you recommend one of the above for use with Windows 10 or would
you suggest Open Office?Â* https://www.openoffice.org

TIA


Personally, I would not use any of the online products.

1.Â* I have no need to share docs between systems, and the very rare
times I do, my systems here are networked.Â* So no problems there.
2.Â* I don't want my documents in the hands of someone else.Â* But if
you're a business, you may very well have a genuine need for this.
3.Â* My impression, and it may be faulty, they are not as feature rich as
client versions.


I personally don't use online apps either. I have used LibreOffice. I
find it to be, in general, two or three steps behind MS Office. I find
that it has serious problems round-tripping documents to MS Office, so
that if I get DOCX or PPTX or XLSX files, especially large, complex,
DOCX files, they may be mangled in the process of going to and from
LibreOffice. I also find that LibreOffice doesn't like macros, which
means that many Excel files break. If you don't need current MS Office
features, if you don't do large or complex Word files, if you don't do
macros, LibreOffice will work. Otherwise, you really need MS Office.


Calligra is also an offshoot of Open Office/Libre Office.Â* I didn't care
for the UI, but that's no reason not to check it out, as that's a
personal prefernce.

Someone at Fossbytes needs to update their infoi.

Apple iWork is gone, I think 2011 was the last version.Â* It was also a
paid for suite, and I have 2009.Â* Did not care for the UI, again a
persoinal choice.


It's now free.


Apple split the programs apart, so they are no longer a suite.Â* But,
they are now free, available from the App Store.Â* But they are Mac only.


There is a free online version which is available to anyone who has an
Apple account, and it is easy to get an Apple account.

Pages is an acceptable word processor/layout app. Keynote is quite
possibly better than PowerPoint. Numbers is very bad. The online version
of Numbers is worse. There is no database app in iWork, if you need a
low-end database you go with Access on Windows or FileMaker Pro on Mac.
FileMaker Pro is considerably better than Access, but then it'd be
difficult to be worse.





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Old December 5th 19, 06:46 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In article , Panthera Tigris Altaica
wrote:

Apple split the programs apart, so they are no longer a suite.* But,
they are now free, available from the App Store.* But they are Mac only.


There is a free online version which is available to anyone who has an
Apple account, and it is easy to get an Apple account.

Pages is an acceptable word processor/layout app.


it also handles most microsoft office documents, as does the included
textedit app and many other apps.

Keynote is quite
possibly better than PowerPoint.


more than possibly. it's a lot more capable.

Numbers is very bad. The online version
of Numbers is worse.


it's fine for simple stuff. most people don't need complex excel
spreadsheets.

There is no database app in iWork, if you need a
low-end database you go with Access on Windows or FileMaker Pro on Mac.
FileMaker Pro is considerably better than Access, but then it'd be
difficult to be worse.


true, but still possible.
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Old December 5th 19, 08:00 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...
| On 2019-12-05, Mayayana wrote:
| The Internet will but business won't.
|
| I've been in business for about 30 years and have never used
| Microsoft Office. However I'm not dealing with complex documents.
|
"Roger Blake" wrote:
| On 2019-12-05, Mayayana wrote:
| The Internet will but business won't.
|
| I've been in business for about 30 years and have never used
| Microsoft Office. However I'm not dealing with complex documents.
|

I doubt it matters much. College students get
initiated and move to office jobs. They don't know
anything else.

At one time I did a lot of work with some architects
that had a small firm. One of them mentioned one day that
he was going out to get new MSO for everyone. I
questioned why he was spending all that money for virtually
the same thing. His answer was essentially that if any
business partners caught him using less than the current
version it would look unprofessional.

I suppose that happens in every field. There's the tool
for the job and then there's the tool that will make others
think you know what you're doing.


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Old December 5th 19, 08:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5-Dec-2019 10:50 am, David wrote:
According to the article .....

Here are the MS Office alternatives at a glance:

Google Docs
LibreOffice
Office Online
Apple iWork
WPS Office
Calligra Office
DropBox Paper

Details he https://fossbytes.com/best-alternati...rosoft-office/

Would you recommend one of the above for use with Windows 10 or would
you suggest Open Office?Â* https://www.openoffice.org

TIA


I'm trapped.

Even with my limited knowledge of Visual Basic for Applications I find
that my extensive use of macros is absolutely essential in order to
maximise my productivity. I have over 20 years worth of macros for Excel
and Word which I rely on.

None of the applications listed above can deal with Microsoft VBA so I
have no choice.

Bad news!
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Old December 5th 19, 10:12 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Default My thanks to all for their advice (was - 7 Best Alternatives ToMicrosoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition)

Early yesterday morning, my not-so-young neighbour called and asked if
it was OK to pop round to see me. I agreed.

When I answered my doorbell's call, there was my pal Tim with a large
laptop in his hands. It transpired that he had inherited it from a
distant relative who had died earlier this year. It's a Hewlett Packard
Pavilion G6, in bright and shiny maroon without a single scratch upon it
- it looks, and feels, like new!

See: https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-pavilion-g6/specs/

Tim uses an Apple iMac and has no interest in computers themselves, only
in the work which they can do. He had, though, switched on the laptop
and noted that it was running Windows 7. He asked me if I could install
Windows 10 on it for him. I did explain that the free upgrade offer had
expired long ago but he said he was sure I'd find a way without spending
lots of money!

Armed with the help and advice I've had, and read, on the Windows 10
Usenet group, I first reset the laptop to it's original factory
conditions. I then visited
https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...s-10-for-free/
and, from there, went to Microsoft.com to download Windows 10. There was
no charge for the installation. I have since updated the machine to
Version 1909 (OS Build 18363.476).

As Tim's wife may well be invited to use this machine (he's thinking of
commandeering her Apple MacBook pro for 'business purposes'!) I thought
it might be helpful to also provide something akin the Microsoft Office
software, with which the dear lady would have been familiar before her
retirement. Hence my request for help and advice.

My thanks are extended to everyone who has provided an interesting and
thoughtful response to my question. Your help is much appreciated.

*THANK YOU*. :-D

--
David



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Old December 5th 19, 10:28 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Default 7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition

On 05/12/2019 07:15, Zaghadka wrote:
(By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not
all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal
September.)


Thank you for that 'gem' Zaghadka - I'd simply copied and pasted from
the magazine article.

I'll endeavour to be more careful in future!
 




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