“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security Essentials�

In article , Roger Blake
wrote:

very few people would be using win10 for their first version of windows.

That's the point, the choice has been made for them all along. If users
are not given a choice and have had no experience with anything else,
terms such as "user satisfaction" have little or no meaning.

the point is that in 2019, just about everyone has had experience with
something else, most likely win7, probably xp too, and a good portion
who have used mac os and/or linux. the number of people who have never
seen anything else but win10 (and is not a kid) is close to zero.

win10 is very good and most people genuinely like it, but for those who
don't, there are other options.

On 15/12/2019 22:37, Roger Blake wrote:

and they don't know any better.


Are you talking about you and how do you know that they are all stupid
like you? Your friends may stupid but they are not a representative
sample of the whole population.

People I meet are quite happy with their Windows 10 setup but they are
quite intelligent than the people I meet on these newsgroups.





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With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

Lynn McGuire wrote:

´Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7ÿs free AV software, Security
Essentials¡

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html

´When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials
software.¡

Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here.

I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products.

Lynn

Where's the loss? Defender what NOT an anti-virus program, so the
article's title is not only misleading but incorrect. Defender was
nothing but a spyware detector in Windows 7 (and earlier in its
precursors). Not until Windows 8 did Defender become an anti-virus
program. It was worthless in Windows 7. In pre-8 Windows, you should
have never relied on Defender to protect you against malware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Defender
"Before Windows 8, Windows Defender only protected users against
spyware."

VanguardLH wrote:

Lynn McGuire wrote:

´Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7ÿs free AV software, Security
Essentials¡

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html

´When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials
software.¡

Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here.

I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products.

Lynn

Where's the loss? Defender what NOT an anti-virus program, so the
article's title is not only misleading but incorrect. Defender was
nothing but a spyware detector in Windows 7 (and earlier in its
precursors). Not until Windows 8 did Defender become an anti-virus
program. It was worthless in Windows 7. In pre-8 Windows, you should
have never relied on Defender to protect you against malware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Defender
"Before Windows 8, Windows Defender only protected users against
spyware."

That's why Security Essentials became superfluous in Windows 8, and
later. Defender became and AV, so Security Essentials became
superfluous. Obviously anything of or bundled in Windows 7 that doesn't
extend into later versions of Windows will die for support when Windows
7 is no longer supported; else, continuing to support Windows 7-only
products means support was not ended.

Microsoft's anti-malware and anti-spyware products before Windows 8 were
far too limp to be considered effective solutions. Almost every 3rd
party solution, even free ones, were far superior. Microsoft's
solutions pre-8 did have a high rating for disinfecting malware, but
that was because it didn't much malware, and what it detected was old
and disinfection was well known.

On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 22:37:50 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

On 2019-12-15, David wrote:
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

That "satisfaction" claim is highly suspect since the vast majority
of users did not choose Windows 10, it just came with their computer
and they don't know any better.

It was a joke -- the identified "source" was a giveaway.

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Shikata ga nai...

On 16/12/2019 20:40, Stan Brown wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 22:37:50 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

On 2019-12-15, David wrote:
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

That "satisfaction" claim is highly suspect since the vast majority
of users did not choose Windows 10, it just came with their computer
and they don't know any better.

It was a joke -- the identified "source" was a giveaway.

Spot on, Stan! :-D

In message , David
writes:
On 16/12/2019 20:40, Stan Brown wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 22:37:50 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

On 2019-12-15, David wrote:
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

That "satisfaction" claim is highly suspect since the vast majority
of users did not choose Windows 10, it just came with their computer
and they don't know any better.

And the "1.2 billion" is also more than suspect! (Total planet
population is still in the single figure of billions, and a significant
proportion of those cannot afford - and don't have the electricity [or
networks] to use - any sort of "device" capable of running Windows of
any sort, or even Android. The fortunate rest of us would need to have
several devices to get to that figure.)

It was a joke -- the identified "source" was a giveaway.

Spot on, Stan! :-D

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"When _I_ saw him, he was dead." "uh, he looked exactly the same when he was
alive, except he was vertical." (The Trouble with Harry)

In article , J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote:

With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

That "satisfaction" claim is highly suspect since the vast majority
of users did not choose Windows 10, it just came with their computer
and they don't know any better.

And the "1.2 billion" is also more than suspect! (Total planet
population is still in the single figure of billions, and a significant
proportion of those cannot afford - and don't have the electricity [or
networks] to use - any sort of "device" capable of running Windows of
any sort, or even Android. The fortunate rest of us would need to have
several devices to get to that figure.)

actually, it isn't suspect and many people have several devices.

here's some numbers:
https://www.scmo.net/faq/2019/8/9/ho...here-in-the-wo
rld
In 2019, there were over 2 billion computers in the world, including
servers, desktops, and laptops.

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...the-numbers-wi
ndows-10-hits-late-wall-stalls.html
Windows 10's portion of the user share of all Windows PCs fell
seven-tenths of a point, to 62%.
....
In November, Windows powered 86.1% of the world's personal computers.

here's some math:
of those 'over 2 billion computers', 86% are running some version of
windows, and of those, 62% are running windows 10, for more than 1.1
billion win10 users.

the original claim of 1.2 billion is a reasonable estimate.

also keep in mind that there are currently ~3.3 billion smartphone
users worldwide, projected to reach 3.5 billion next year and 3.8
billion in 2021:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...tphone-users-w
orldwide/

another fun stat is facebook has 2.7 billion monthly active users:
https://www.businessinsider.com/face...rage-users-in-
q1-2019-4
Overall, Facebook now boasts 2.7 billion monthly users across its
family of apps. That includes Messenger, WhatsApp, Instagram, and
core Facebook, with 2.1 billion of those people accessing one of the
apps every day.

On 16/12/2019 22:51, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In
And the "1.2 billion" is also more than suspect! (Total planet
population is still in the single figure of billions,

The current world population is almost 7.8 billion so 1,2 billion is
just a fraction. China and India owns most of the machines in this
world and they are densely populated .

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

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On 2019-12-16, Stan Brown wrote:
It was a joke -- the identified "source" was a giveaway.

Didn't catch that, and it has the ring of a typical Microsoft press release.

I take it seriously since as a system administrator I have a fair
amount of dissatisfaction with Windows 10. Dealing with it in a business
environment is like playing whack-a-mole with a plethora of obnoxious
"features", and just for fun a fresh new hell is unleashed to add to the
mix every six months.

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On 10/12/2019 21:39, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:
On 2019-12-10 13:42, Lynn McGuire wrote:
“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security
Essentials�

https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html


“When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop
providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security
Essentials software.�

Ok, this is not good.Â* Microsoft is playing hardball here.

I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products.

Lynn

Security Essentials is not the best antimalware product for Windows, and
that's putting it mildly. However, if Microsoft stops supporting it, you
will need something else. Stay away from Norton and McAfee; Avast is,
sadly, following in their footsteps. AVG is now part of Avast. There
aren't that many top-tier products left.

Kaspersky Free is pretty good - and just as free as Security Essentials.

occam wrote:

Kaspersky Free is pretty good - and just as free as Security
Essentials.

https://usa.kaspersky.com/free-antivirus

https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/secur...ud-free/28890/
When a user tries to download Kaspersky Free antivirus, they find that
they have downloaded Kaspersky Security Cloud — Free instead.

Since it is a cloud AV, does its malware detection level significantly
decreases when the host is offline? That's what happens to Panda Cloud
AV free. I've seen many detection tests showing Panda Cloud detected
99%+ when online, but only 66% when offline.

Be interesting to see how Kaspersky's free Cloud AV rates for its online
versus offline detection rates.

On 17/12/2019 12:22, occam wrote:

Kaspersky Free is pretty good - and just as free as Security Essentials.

You need your head to be examined to use any Russian product unless, of
course, you are Russian. In this case why are you using Windows? Use
something called Linux Junk and Kalashnikov.









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With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, but after watching the
following video (which explains the process, and provides some handy
tips), I upgraded two computers from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdNL-pvvXH4&t=199s

Now I don't have to watch January 14th approach, with "impending doom".


It was slightly time-consuming because of the usual work associated with
"configuring preferences", but with "classic start" (see video), the
result is acceptable. A 4 GHz computer with an SSD on a 80 Mbps
internet connection did the upgrade in 49 minutes. I hope that the
post/video link may be helpful to someone.

Bill

Still at issue is that I haven't found any ad-block software that will
work with the latest version of SeaMonkey (web browser). If I am unable
to resolve that, I may have to switch to Mozilla Firefox.

Bill wrote:

I upgraded two computers from Windows 7 to Windows 10. [snip]
with "classic start"

If ever you need to ask here about "why doesn't X, Y or Z work with
Win10?" be sure to make it clear you've installed a 3rd party shell
replacement ...