Curious activation behaviour.

I bought a brand new computer containing a virgin SSD.

I downloaded the Media Creation Tool to a USB.

Then I installed Windows10 pro.

It asked for an activation key that I didn't have.

So I keyed in the key from my old 2010 Windows7 disk Ultimate that had
been upgraded to Windows10 way back at the win10 beginning.

This activated it. And it was not necessary to cancel the old
licence.

Did I do OK, or will MSoft be after me in the future?

Peter Jason wrote:
I bought a brand new computer containing a virgin SSD.

I downloaded the Media Creation Tool to a USB.

Then I installed Windows10 pro.

It asked for an activation key that I didn't have.

So I keyed in the key from my old 2010 Windows7 disk Ultimate that had
been upgraded to Windows10 way back at the win10 beginning.

This activated it. And it was not necessary to cancel the old
licence.

Did I do OK, or will MSoft be after me in the future?


So what you'd want to check, is whether the original machine
that used the Win7 key, still shows its OS as being "genuine".

You can't keep stamping an infinite number of machines
with that copy of Windows 7, because all except the last
machine, Microsoft will keep track, and those will be
"not genuine" at some point in time. Only the last usage
(counted as a "move" of a retail boxed OS), would still
be Genuine.

What you're doing is a "great experiment" and we look
forward to your results.

Paul

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says...

I bought a brand new computer containing a virgin SSD.

I downloaded the Media Creation Tool to a USB.

Then I installed Windows10 pro.

It asked for an activation key that I didn't have.

So I keyed in the key from my old 2010 Windows7 disk Ultimate that had
been upgraded to Windows10 way back at the win10 beginning.

This activated it. And it was not necessary to cancel the old
licence.

Did I do OK, or will MSoft be after me in the future?

I very much doubt you'll have any issues at all. I've reused keys
numerous times while original pc was still using same key and nothing
bad has happened. Two pcs here I know I did that with have had no issues
after years and both still say Validated and Genuine.

On 12/23/19 9:55 PM, Paul wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
I bought a brand new computer containing a virgin SSD.

I downloaded the Media Creation Tool to a USB.

Then I installed Windows10 pro.

It asked for an activation key that I didn't have.

So I keyed in the key from my old 2010 Windows7 disk Ultimate that had
been upgraded to Windows10 way back at the win10 beginning.

This activated it.Â* And it was not necessary to cancel the old
licence.

Did I do OK, or will MSoft be after me in the future?


So what you'd want to check, is whether the original machine
that used the Win7 key, still shows its OS as being "genuine".

You can't keep stamping an infinite number of machines
with that copy of Windows 7, because all except the last
machine, Microsoft will keep track, and those will be
"not genuine" at some point in time. Only the last usage
(counted as a "move" of a retail boxed OS), would still
be Genuine.

What you're doing is a "great experiment" and we look
forward to your results.

Â*Â* Paul

That's one of the reasons I switched to a Mac. There's no charge for the
OS, an OS upgrade, or a new OS

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life are the same ones who want you to be disarmed?

Wade Garrett wrote:
On 12/23/19 9:55 PM, Paul wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
I bought a brand new computer containing a virgin SSD.

I downloaded the Media Creation Tool to a USB.

Then I installed Windows10 pro.

It asked for an activation key that I didn't have.

So I keyed in the key from my old 2010 Windows7 disk Ultimate that had
been upgraded to Windows10 way back at the win10 beginning.

This activated it. And it was not necessary to cancel the old
licence.

Did I do OK, or will MSoft be after me in the future?


So what you'd want to check, is whether the original machine
that used the Win7 key, still shows its OS as being "genuine".

You can't keep stamping an infinite number of machines
with that copy of Windows 7, because all except the last
machine, Microsoft will keep track, and those will be
"not genuine" at some point in time. Only the last usage
(counted as a "move" of a retail boxed OS), would still
be Genuine.

What you're doing is a "great experiment" and we look
forward to your results.

Paul

That's one of the reasons I switched to a Mac. There's no charge for the
OS, an OS upgrade, or a new OS


It wasn't always that way!

Things like MacOS 7 or MacOS 9.1 would be $150 or so in local currency.

Barring the neat Apple choice to go with naming confusion...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS === MacOSX changes back to MacOS name

Mac OS X 10.1 Puma

in addition to the US$129 boxed version for people running Mac OS 9...

https://www.wired.com/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/

"The desktop operating system is dead as a major profit center,
and Apple just delivered the obituary.

Prices of Apple's Mac OS X have long been on the wane.
After four releases that cost $129,
Apple dropped the operating system's upgrade price to
$29 with 2009's OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and then to
$19 with last year's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion.
"

The pricing on the Microsoft side is decidedly mixed.

Microsoft wants to defend their Enterprise licensing
scheme. It's one of the reasons they adjusted the Pro
feature set, because some SOHO people were cutting
away from the Enterprise fold, and going with Pro.
The pricing and feature sets are adjusted to keep
the Enterprise cow healthy and ready for milking.

For OEM Windows 10 on screens under 9" diagonal,
the price is "free". But that's an attempt to battle
Chromebooks on price. The price drops to zero, when
a defensive action is required.

Microsoft is quietly working on a Linux, and has
"joined the Linux club". But this isn't likely to
launch, unless some other Linux gains traction.
Just as they're taking open source Chromium and
adding in the Microsoft tracking and stuff (ChromEdge).
And ChromEdge is being ported to Linux (it's not ready yet).
Knowing Microsoft, they'll port Metro over to their Linux,
so it "looks the same" as the current product. And then
you won't be able to tell a Windows 10 for ARM, from
a Windows 10 Linux for x86 (with a .deb subsystem for
adding GIMP).

It takes very few people to spin an OS when the
car parts are lying on the ground, waiting for
someone to harvest them. At work, it took two guys
two years to do a port of something (they wouldn't
even let us look at it!). If Microsoft
wanted to spin a "lame" version of Linux, with the
7000 people they've got, it would be a doddle. And
cheap to do.

Paul

In article , Paul
wrote:

I bought a brand new computer containing a virgin SSD.

I downloaded the Media Creation Tool to a USB.

Then I installed Windows10 pro.

It asked for an activation key that I didn't have.

So I keyed in the key from my old 2010 Windows7 disk Ultimate that had
been upgraded to Windows10 way back at the win10 beginning.

This activated it. And it was not necessary to cancel the old
licence.

Did I do OK, or will MSoft be after me in the future?


So what you'd want to check, is whether the original machine
that used the Win7 key, still shows its OS as being "genuine".

You can't keep stamping an infinite number of machines
with that copy of Windows 7, because all except the last
machine, Microsoft will keep track, and those will be
"not genuine" at some point in time. Only the last usage
(counted as a "move" of a retail boxed OS), would still
be Genuine.

What you're doing is a "great experiment" and we look
forward to your results.

That's one of the reasons I switched to a Mac. There's no charge for the
OS, an OS upgrade, or a new OS


It wasn't always that way!

Things like MacOS 7 or MacOS 9.1 would be $150 or so in local currency.

system 7 was 30 years ago and 9.1 almost 20 years ago!

since you like to dig up ancient history, with system 6 and earlier,
you could go to an apple dealer (no official stores back then) with a
few floppy disks and they'd copy it for you.

also keep in mind that macos does not need to be activated nor is it
tied to a particular computer, so even when it did cost money, only one
copy needed to be purchased and could be used on multiple computers.

On 12/25/19 2:36 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Paul
wrote:

I bought a brand new computer containing a virgin SSD.

I downloaded the Media Creation Tool to a USB.

Then I installed Windows10 pro.

It asked for an activation key that I didn't have.

So I keyed in the key from my old 2010 Windows7 disk Ultimate that had
been upgraded to Windows10 way back at the win10 beginning.

This activated it. And it was not necessary to cancel the old
licence.

Did I do OK, or will MSoft be after me in the future?


So what you'd want to check, is whether the original machine
that used the Win7 key, still shows its OS as being "genuine".

You can't keep stamping an infinite number of machines
with that copy of Windows 7, because all except the last
machine, Microsoft will keep track, and those will be
"not genuine" at some point in time. Only the last usage
(counted as a "move" of a retail boxed OS), would still
be Genuine.

What you're doing is a "great experiment" and we look
forward to your results.

That's one of the reasons I switched to a Mac. There's no charge for the
OS, an OS upgrade, or a new OS


It wasn't always that way!

Things like MacOS 7 or MacOS 9.1 would be $150 or so in local currency.

system 7 was 30 years ago and 9.1 almost 20 years ago!

since you like to dig up ancient history, with system 6 and earlier,
you could go to an apple dealer (no official stores back then) with a
few floppy disks and they'd copy it for you.

also keep in mind that macos does not need to be activated nor is it
tied to a particular computer, so even when it did cost money, only one
copy needed to be purchased and could be used on multiple computers.

Yeah, but they do nail you on the hardware.

And about all you can do to "upgrade" recent desktop Macs is wipe the
case with a clean damp cloth.

--
If you don’t want minimum wage, don’t have minimum skills

In article , Wade Garrett
wrote:

That's one of the reasons I switched to a Mac. There's no charge for the
OS, an OS upgrade, or a new OS


It wasn't always that way!

Things like MacOS 7 or MacOS 9.1 would be $150 or so in local currency.

system 7 was 30 years ago and 9.1 almost 20 years ago!

since you like to dig up ancient history, with system 6 and earlier,
you could go to an apple dealer (no official stores back then) with a
few floppy disks and they'd copy it for you.

also keep in mind that macos does not need to be activated nor is it
tied to a particular computer, so even when it did cost money, only one
copy needed to be purchased and could be used on multiple computers.

Yeah, but they do nail you on the hardware.

not really.

prices are comparable for similar specs. sometimes a little more and
sometimes a little less.

And about all you can do to "upgrade" recent desktop Macs is wipe the
case with a clean damp cloth.

not true. memory can be upgraded, however, most people never bother.
the ssd can sometimes be upgraded, but that's even less common.

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:55:57 -0500, Paul
wrote:

Peter Jason wrote:
I bought a brand new computer containing a virgin SSD.

I downloaded the Media Creation Tool to a USB.

Then I installed Windows10 pro.

It asked for an activation key that I didn't have.

So I keyed in the key from my old 2010 Windows7 disk Ultimate that had
been upgraded to Windows10 way back at the win10 beginning.

This activated it. And it was not necessary to cancel the old
licence.

Did I do OK, or will MSoft be after me in the future?


So what you'd want to check, is whether the original machine
that used the Win7 key, still shows its OS as being "genuine".

You can't keep stamping an infinite number of machines
with that copy of Windows 7, because all except the last
machine, Microsoft will keep track, and those will be
"not genuine" at some point in time. Only the last usage
(counted as a "move" of a retail boxed OS), would still
be Genuine.

What you're doing is a "great experiment" and we look
forward to your results.

Paul

I was not able to repeat my good fortune with my Office2010 pro
because it would not even activate due to having been activated more
than the "permissable number of times". It threatens to freeze up in
(now) 25 days!!!
What's to be done? I tried to negate this problem by uninstalling the
whole Office2010 from the old computer but this did not work. Should
I have cancelled the licence on this old machine first? Of course I
still have the original Office2010 installation disk.

On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 09:04:26 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:

I was not able to repeat my good fortune with my Office2010 pro
because it would not even activate due to having been activated more
than the "permissable number of times". It threatens to freeze up in
(now) 25 days!!!

https://official-kmspico.com/kmsauto-net/


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2020: The year we learn to play Euchre.

On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 17:18:15 -0600, S.Jennison the
lid wrote:

On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 09:04:26 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:

I was not able to repeat my good fortune with my Office2010 pro
because it would not even activate due to having been activated more
than the "permissable number of times". It threatens to freeze up in
(now) 25 days!!!

https://official-kmspico.com/kmsauto-net/

Thank you, but will this work in my case because it's not the
activation key missing but rather because the Office has been loaded
too many times.

On 12/25/19 5:39 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Wade Garrett
wrote:

That's one of the reasons I switched to a Mac. There's no charge for the
OS, an OS upgrade, or a new OS


It wasn't always that way!

Things like MacOS 7 or MacOS 9.1 would be $150 or so in local currency.

system 7 was 30 years ago and 9.1 almost 20 years ago!

since you like to dig up ancient history, with system 6 and earlier,
you could go to an apple dealer (no official stores back then) with a
few floppy disks and they'd copy it for you.

also keep in mind that macos does not need to be activated nor is it
tied to a particular computer, so even when it did cost money, only one
copy needed to be purchased and could be used on multiple computers.

Yeah, but they do nail you on the hardware.

not really.

prices are comparable for similar specs. sometimes a little more and
sometimes a little less.


How bout $200 more to take a 13" MBP from 128 GB storage to the
identical model with 256?

--
The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the
naughty girls live...

In article , Wade Garrett
wrote:

Yeah, but they do nail you on the hardware.

not really.

prices are comparable for similar specs. sometimes a little more and
sometimes a little less.


How bout $200 more to take a 13" MBP from 128 GB storage to the
identical model with 256?

what about it?

microsoft normally charges $300 to go from 128g to 256g for the surface
3 laptop, although it's not available in all colours.

for the platinum (alcantara), there is a $100 discount (which could go
away), so only $200 more as of now. going to 512g is an additional
$400, double that of 256 gig.

the same $400 also applies for the surface book 2 to go from 256g to
512g, although that's for the 15" model (512g not available in 13").

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/stor...s?wt.mc_id=SMB
_PMG_Surfaceforbusiness

On 12/27/19 1:09 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Wade Garrett
wrote:

Yeah, but they do nail you on the hardware.

not really.

prices are comparable for similar specs. sometimes a little more and
sometimes a little less.


How bout $200 more to take a 13" MBP from 128 GB storage to the
identical model with 256?

what about it?

microsoft normally charges $300 to go from 128g to 256g for the surface
3 laptop, although it's not available in all colours.

for the platinum (alcantara), there is a $100 discount (which could go
away), so only $200 more as of now. going to 512g is an additional
$400, double that of 256 gig.

the same $400 also applies for the surface book 2 to go from 256g to
512g, although that's for the 15" model (512g not available in 13").

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/stor...s?wt.mc_id=SMB
_PMG_Surfaceforbusiness

My thought there would be the Surface is a designer/specialty device
while the Macbook is mainstream...

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necessarily in the style to which it has become accustomed.
- Thomas Clifford

In article , Wade Garrett
wrote:

How bout $200 more to take a 13" MBP from 128 GB storage to the
identical model with 256?

what about it?

microsoft normally charges $300 to go from 128g to 256g for the surface
3 laptop, although it's not available in all colours.

for the platinum (alcantara), there is a $100 discount (which could go
away), so only $200 more as of now. going to 512g is an additional
$400, double that of 256 gig.

the same $400 also applies for the surface book 2 to go from 256g to
512g, although that's for the 15" model (512g not available in 13").

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/stor...s?wt.mc_id=SMB
_PMG_Surfaceforbusiness

My thought there would be the Surface is a designer/specialty device
while the Macbook is mainstream...

they're mainstream devices and the surface isn't the only example.

microsoft specifically targets the macbook, including in this amusing
ad, where they found someone whose real name is mac (mackenzie) book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSS5SKs4UA0