New Windows 10 User dealing with "MyPC".

Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/30/19 12:26 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 12/30/19 10:34 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/30/19 8:07 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/30/2019 7:54 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

IMO, Windows/File Explorer have been useless for years for
understanding
file system organization.


Useless? A giant overstatement, in my opinion. Yes, it's greatly
inferior to some alternatives, but that doesn't make it useless.

Note that I said useless for a specific purpose. I haven't met a single
person in years that understood the file hierarchy since MS removed the
"lines" and a good file tree structure. :-)


But Winfile and Double Commander make things
easier..


Yes. And as far as I'm concerned, Directory Opus is even better.




Don't start throwing stones at me, I'm definitely not pushing anything,
but I like the simple life of Linux that I use. Home is obvious and
folders are below that like Pictures, Documents, Videos, Music etc.

No stones, Al, you're safe! LOL

That's the arrangement in Mint 19. Unfortunately, it gives you no hint
as to how the entire file structure is arranged on the hard drive. Just
the name of the folder.

That's what I like with the original File Manager. You can see just
about the entire disk, IIRC.

In Linux, configuration information is contained in "dot"
files in your home directory.

.config
.firefox
.thunderbird

A new user won't know those are there.

And if you want "grief", try and find the path where your
file sharing mount is "actually" located :-) It's always
fun finding out whether it's gvfs or something-else related.

Each OS has its share of unnecessary obfuscations.

Paul

Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/30/2019 12:27 PM, Paul wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Bill wrote:
Still, besides these diectories appearing under "Quick Access" in the
Desktop folder, they appear in the Desktop folder in
C:/Users/MyUsername/Desktop/ and they appear again in Desktop
(following the "Recycle Bin") -- and invoking Properties shows them as
having the *very same path*
(C:/Users/MyUsername/Desktop/foldername)!!!

"Quick Access" is not another real location, it is essentially a MRU
(Most Recently Used), or "Favorites" list of shortcuts. Your directories
are not in more than on place. It is a "feature" of Windows 10 to give
you a handy shortcut to stuff you use most often.

A good deal of the left sidebar can be edited
and materials removed.

For example, the OP will be pleased to know
that HomeGroup is deprecated in Windows 10. Early
versions had it, but it's now partially gutted. Some
of the services remain, and seem to be related to making
file sharing/location work.

And when we use terms like that, they can be tossed into
Google and little tutorials located for manipulation.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html


The "Related Tutorials" at the bottom, will help
with other nagging issues. For example.

"How to Add or Remove Homegroup in Navigation Pane
of File Explorer in Windows 10"

"How to Add or Remove Libraries in Navigation Pane
of File Explorer in Windows 10"


I've tried all the ways it lists to hide Libraries without any success.
Any thoughts as to why?

Well, not all recipes are updated for each and every
version of Windows 10.

It's the world we live in - that's why it has to be this way.

Do a "winver", start Googling for a more current recipe.

Paul

Paul wrote:

And if you want "grief", try and find the path where your
file sharing mount is "actually" located :-) It's always
fun finding out whether it's gvfs or something-else related.

No mister, if it's gvfs it will be located /media/USERNAME/VOLUMENAME.
If its a share mount command is your info tool... Having a consistent
filesystem regardless of the physical topography is an asset. Drive
letters, the curse of Windows... Converting to OS on SSD is so simple in
Linux v Windows.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Paul wrote:

For example, the OP will be pleased to know
that HomeGroup is deprecated in Windows 10.

Just MS f'ing with samba... Good riddance. Did anyone really use HomeGroup?

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote:
For example, the OP will be pleased to know
that HomeGroup is deprecated in Windows 10.

Just MS f'ing with samba... Good riddance. Did anyone really use HomeGroup?


Newsgroup evidence is: Yes

I don't use it here.

I guess I figured it would turn into something
that needed to be fixed. Like owning a Jaguar
12 cylinder and needing a tuneup once a week.

Paul

Paul wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote:
For example, the OP will be pleased to know
that HomeGroup is deprecated in Windows 10.

Just MS f'ing with samba... Good riddance. Did anyone really use
HomeGroup?


Newsgroup evidence is: Yes

I don't use it here.

I guess I figured it would turn into something
that needed to be fixed. Like owning a Jaguar
12 cylinder and needing a tuneup once a week.


Its sudden appearance and equally sudden disappearance is a testament.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Patrick wrote:
On 30/12/2019 13:11, Bill wrote:
After fretting over this for a few days, I get the impression that
Windows 10 does not intend for me to access the folder
C:/Users/MyUsername/ at all.Â* That's the only way things currently
make any sense to me.

To put 'This PC' shortcut on the 'Taskbar';
Click 'Start button'
Scroll down to and click 'Windows System' folder
RightClick on 'This PC'
Click 'More' Click 'Pin to taskbar'


Thank you to you (and everyone who tried to offer assistance)!

Removing "This PC" icon from the (ordinary) user desktop (the one that
you see) improved my situation a great deal. "This PC", along with
"everything else", is still available via the User Icon. I think that
it's presence was introducing an annoying amount of redundancy (from my
perspective). I still have access to the C:/ drive via the User Icon.

I was (only) able to follow the directions above for the administrator
client. I'm not sure whether I'll need it there or not--not it This PC
appears under the User Icon there (and I expect that it does).

I also learned a bit about the "Navigational Panel". For better or
worse, that's one of those features I seem to set and forget.

So "This PC" seems to be a slightly strange thing having strange
properties that no doubt will be a topic of discussion on classes on
operating systems! : ) I appreciate well structured file trees. While
I was working, copying something in my "desktop directory", I got the
error message that the destination directory was part of the source
directory, or something close to that.
All I can say is, "Well Yeah!!!, Duh!!!" : )

I will follow this newsgroup with you (all) in hope of learning more!

Cheers,
Bill

On 12/31/19 12:28 AM, Bill wrote:
Patrick wrote:
On 30/12/2019 13:11, Bill wrote:
After fretting over this for a few days, I get the impression that
Windows 10 does not intend for me to access the folder
C:/Users/MyUsername/ at all.Â* That's the only way things currently
make any sense to me.

To put 'This PC' shortcut on the 'Taskbar';
Click 'Start button'
Scroll down to and click 'Windows System' folder
RightClick on 'This PC'
Click 'More' Click 'Pin to taskbar'


Thank you to you (and everyone who tried to offer assistance)!

Removing "This PC" icon from the (ordinary) user desktop (the one that
you see) improved my situation a great deal. "This PC", along with
"everything else", is still available via the User Icon. I think that
it's presence was introducing an annoying amount of redundancy (from my
perspective). I still have access to the C:/ drive via the User Icon.

I was (only) able to follow the directions above for the administrator
client. I'm not sure whether I'll need it there or not--not it This PC
appears under the User Icon there (and I expect that it does).

I also learned a bit about the "Navigational Panel". For better or
worse, that's one of those features I seem to set and forget.

So "This PC" seems to be a slightly strange thing having strange
properties that no doubt will be a topic of discussion on classes on
operating systems! : ) I appreciate well structured file trees. While
I was working, copying something in my "desktop directory", I got the
error message that the destination directory was part of the source
directory, or something close to that.
All I can say is, "Well Yeah!!!, Duh!!!" : )

I will follow this newsgroup with you (all) in hope of learning more!

Hi, Bill.

No offense intended, but I've had a hard time figuring out what you wish
to see in File Explorer.

So I thought I would show you what I would like to see the File Explorer
navigation pane. The link below will show 3 screen clips of what I
would like to see.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vf2pguwix...nqwOfvyja?dl=0

All 3 clips are the same C:\ drive at the top of the clip So ignore the
names given to C:\

Please note that Double Commander has so many configuration options it
boggles the mind. I have changed those options for my Mac install to my
liking. The Windows install is the default.

--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/31/19 12:28 AM, Bill wrote:
Patrick wrote:
On 30/12/2019 13:11, Bill wrote:
After fretting over this for a few days, I get the impression that
Windows 10 does not intend for me to access the folder
C:/Users/MyUsername/ at all.Â* That's the only way things currently
make any sense to me.

To put 'This PC' shortcut on the 'Taskbar';
Click 'Start button'
Scroll down to and click 'Windows System' folder
RightClick on 'This PC'
Click 'More' Click 'Pin to taskbar'


Thank you to you (and everyone who tried to offer assistance)!

Removing "This PC" icon from the (ordinary) user desktop (the one that
you see) improved my situation a great deal.Â* "This PC", along with
"everything else", is still available via the User Icon.Â* I think that
it's presence was introducing an annoying amount of redundancy (from my
perspective). I still have access to the C:/ drive via the User Icon.

I was (only) able to follow the directions above for the administrator
client. I'm not sure whether I'll need it there or not--not it This PC
appears under the User Icon there (and I expect that it does).

I also learned a bit about the "Navigational Panel". For better or
worse, that's one of those features I seem to set and forget.

So "This PC" seems to be a slightly strange thing having strange
properties that no doubt will be a topic of discussion on classes on
operating systems! : )Â*Â* I appreciate well structured file trees.Â* While
I was working, copying something in my "desktop directory", I got the
error message that the destination directory was part of the source
directory, or something close to that.
All I can say is, "Well Yeah!!!, Duh!!!"Â*Â* : )

I will follow this newsgroup with you (all) in hope of learning more!

Hi, Bill.

No offense intended, but I've had a hard time figuring out what you wish
to see in File Explorer.

I'm sorry about that Ken. It wasn't easy to describe. As a result of
having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon associated
with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders on my desktop
TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon to your desktop,
and would probably see what I did--that there's a "recursive" effect.
When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file explorer, I automatically
saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2 different places). I'm not
particular about the format, but I didn't like the redundancy. There
were probably other side effects too (further redundancy) that I didn't
mention. Patrick helped me to zero in on the problem by telling me a
little bit about the "This PC" feature, which was new to me.

Bill



So I thought I would show you what I would like to see the File Explorer
navigation pane.Â* The link below will show 3 screen clips of what I
would like to see.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vf2pguwix...nqwOfvyja?dl=0

All 3 clips are the same C:\ drive at the top of the clipÂ* So ignore the
names given to C:\

Please note that Double Commander has so many configuration options it
boggles the mind.Â* I have changed those options for my Mac install to my
liking.Â* The Windows install is the default.

On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result of
having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon associated
with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders on my desktop
TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon to your desktop,
and would probably see what I did--that there's a "recursive" effect.
When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file explorer, I automatically
saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2 different places).Â*Â* I'm not
particular about the format, but I didn't like the redundancy.Â* There
were probably other side effects too (further redundancy) that I didn't
mention.Â* Patrick helped me to zero in on the problem by telling me a
little bit about the "This PC" feature, which was new to me.

Bill
Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10. That is the jump
list. When you right click on any executable icon, including File
explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files.

For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list.

You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by
right clicking on the executable icon. This works regardless of
whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list from
the start page.

Is this the functionality you are looking for?

knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result of
having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon associated
with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders on my
desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon to
your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a
"recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file
explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2
different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I didn't
like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects too
(further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me to zero
in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC"
feature, which was new to me.

Bill
Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.Â* That is the jump
list.Â* When you right click on any executable icon, including File
explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files.

For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list.

You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by
right clicking on the executable icon.Â*Â* This works regardless of
whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list from
the start page.

Is this the functionality you are looking for?


95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the
jump list. Is this different than "Quick Access"? By the way, I like
the Windows 10 taskbar too.

Thanks,
Bill

On 12/31/19 3:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken. It wasn't easy to describe. As a result of
having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon associated
with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders on my desktop
TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon to your desktop,
and would probably see what I did--that there's a "recursive" effect.
When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file explorer, I automatically
saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2 different places). I'm not
particular about the format, but I didn't like the redundancy. There
were probably other side effects too (further redundancy) that I didn't
mention. Patrick helped me to zero in on the problem by telling me a
little bit about the "This PC" feature, which was new to me.

Well, duih!! LOL Now I got it! That redundancy issue has been around
for a long time. I think the first time I heard of it was W98, where
desktop showed up more than once in Windows Explorer.

I don't know if Patrick mentioned it to you, but "This PC" was
"Computer", which was "My Computer", which was xxxxxxxx earlier. If you
go to Google Images, and start searching for File Manager/Windows
Explorer/File Explorer for each version of Windows, starting with W3.11,
you'll see how MS has made this function of a computer more and more
complex and confusing over time.

But you'll note in my screenshot of Winfile, there is zero redundancy.
As time has gone on, MS made things more and more confusing visually,
seemingly to totally forget the KISS principle. Which makes it harder
and harder for people to understand how things are organized.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 12/31/2019 10:16 AM, Bill wrote:
knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result
of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon
associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders
on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon
to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a
"recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file
explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2
different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I
didn't like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects
too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me to
zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC"
feature, which was new to me.

Bill
Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.Â* That is the jump
list.Â* When you right click on any executable icon, including File
explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files.

For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list.

You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by
right clicking on the executable icon.Â*Â* This works regardless of
whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list
from the start page.

Is this the functionality you are looking for?


95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the
jump list.Â* Is this different than "Quick Access"?Â* By the way, I like
the Windows 10 taskbar too.

Thanks,
Bill

Yes it is different from the Quick Access.


To illustrate how I use them: I have all of the programs that I use
routinely pinned to the taskbar such as a Browser, Email, word
processor, spreadsheet, Adobe Reader, etc.

When I right click the icon for any of the above, I see a drop down menu
of the last items I accessed using that specific program. With the word
processor I have two documents that are notes/reference data. (DNA
matches) I have these pinned to the Jumplist for that program as I am
always checking matches or adding matches.

An image processing program is pinned to the taskbar. When I right
click on it a get a list of the last pictures I have looked at.

I find I rarely need to access the File Explorer to get what I need.
When I do it is pinned to the taskbar and a right click gives me a list
of the most recent folders I have used. Again the most frequent are
pinned to the File Explorer's jump list.

Please be aware that what you see in the Jumplist is somewhat dependent
on the program. For my Browser, I delete on recently visited websites
when I leave the browser. Therefor there are no Website listed in the
Browser Jumplist.

I have 10 routinely used programs pinned to the taskbar. Using the
Jumplist I have access to over 100 files and folders, with a right click
on a program icon. (This keeps my desktop clear for the my photo graphs.)


As I said the Right Click jump list is available for all program Icons,
including those on the Start menu and in the program list.

On 12/31/19 8:10 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 10:16 AM, Bill wrote:
knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result
of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon
associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders
on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC" icon
to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that there's a
"recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in the file
explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in 2
different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I
didn't like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects
too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me to
zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This PC"
feature, which was new to me.

Bill
Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.Â* That is the jump
list.Â* When you right click on any executable icon, including File
explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files.

For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list.

You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by
right clicking on the executable icon.Â*Â* This works regardless of
whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list
from the start page.

Is this the functionality you are looking for?


95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the
jump list.Â* Is this different than "Quick Access"?Â* By the way, I like
the Windows 10 taskbar too.

Thanks,
Bill

Yes it is different from the Quick Access.


To illustrate how I use them: I have all of the programs that I use
routinely pinned to the taskbar such as a Browser, Email, word
processor, spreadsheet, Adobe Reader, etc.

When I right click the icon for any of the above, I see a drop down menu
of the last items I accessed using that specific program. With the word
processor I have two documents that are notes/reference data. (DNA
matches) I have these pinned to the Jumplist for that program as I am
always checking matches or adding matches.

An image processing program is pinned to the taskbar. When I right
click on it a get a list of the last pictures I have looked at.

I find I rarely need to access the File Explorer to get what I need.
When I do it is pinned to the taskbar and a right click gives me a list
of the most recent folders I have used. Again the most frequent are
pinned to the File Explorer's jump list.

Please be aware that what you see in the Jumplist is somewhat dependent
on the program. For my Browser, I delete on recently visited websites
when I leave the browser. Therefor there are no Website listed in the
Browser Jumplist.

I have 10 routinely used programs pinned to the taskbar. Using the
Jumplist I have access to over 100 files and folders, with a right click
on a program icon. (This keeps my desktop clear for the my photo graphs.)

In this type of situation, I think I would have a task view for each
program, and the program running. Then never shut down or restart the
computer unless necessary. I'd also have it set to reopen windows when
started, too.


As I said the Right Click jump list is available for all program Icons,
including those on the Start menu and in the program list.








--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 10:16 AM, Bill wrote:
knuttle wrote:
On 12/31/2019 5:19 AM, Bill wrote:
I'm sorry about that Ken.Â* It wasn't easy to describe.Â* As a result
of having "This PC" on my Desktop, when I clicked on the Icon
associated with my user name, I Automatically saw all of the folders
on my desktop TWICE in the file explorer. If you put a "This PC"
icon to your desktop, and would probably see what I did--that
there's a "recursive" effect. When opening the "desktop" icon, in
the file explorer, I automatically saw each directory twice (i.e. in
2 different places).Â*Â* I'm not particular about the format, but I
didn't like the redundancy.Â* There were probably other side effects
too (further redundancy) that I didn't mention.Â* Patrick helped me
to zero in on the problem by telling me a little bit about the "This
PC" feature, which was new to me.

Bill
Have you seen one of the best features of Window 10.Â* That is the
jump list.Â* When you right click on any executable icon, including
File explorer, you get a list of the recently visited folders of files.

For those frequently used items you can pin them to the jump list.

You activate the jump list in the Settings, and then access them by
right clicking on the executable icon.Â*Â* This works regardless of
whether the icon is on the taskbar, start page, or the program list
from the start page.

Is this the functionality you are looking for?


95% of what I do, I have done via the desktop. But I'll look for the
jump list.Â* Is this different than "Quick Access"?Â* By the way, I like
the Windows 10 taskbar too.

Thanks,
Bill

Yes it is different from the Quick Access.


To illustrate how I use them:Â* I have all of the programs that I use
routinely pinned to the taskbar such as a Browser, Email, word
processor, spreadsheet, Adobe Reader, etc.

When I right click the icon for any of the above, I see a drop down menu
of the last items I accessed using that specific program.Â* With the word
processor I have two documents that are notes/reference data. (DNA
matches)Â* I have these pinned to the Jumplist for that program as I am
always checking matches or adding matches.

An image processing program is pinned to the taskbar.Â* When I right
click on it a get a list of the last pictures I have looked at.

I find I rarely need to access the File Explorer to get what I need.
When I do it is pinned to the taskbar and a right click gives me a list
of the most recent folders I have used.Â* Again the most frequent are
pinned to the File Explorer's jump list.

Please be aware that what you see in the Jumplist is somewhat dependent
on the program.Â*Â* For my Browser, I delete on recently visited websites
when I leave the browser.Â*Â* Therefor there are no Website listed in the
Browser Jumplist.

I have 10 routinely used programs pinned to the taskbar.Â* Using the
Jumplist I have access to over 100 files and folders, with a right click
on a program icon.Â* (This keeps my desktop clear for the my photo graphs.)


As I said the Right Click jump list is available for all program Icons,
including those on the Start menu and in the program list.


Thank you for your explanation. Now you know why I had a number of
folders on my desktop. They were my (homemade) "jump lists". i have
buttons on my MS-keyboard corresponded to a few often-used applications,
such as "calculator" and dictionary.com.

Cheers,
Bill