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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU
and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? *IMHO |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? *IMHO You would gain the usage of a little bit more of the installed RAM. Best case, you get to use 3.2GB of your 4GB installed, with the 32-bit OS, while the 64-bit will have access to all of it. If you switch to 64-bit, you can run 64-bit and 32-bit programs. With the 32-bit OS, you can run 32-bit and 16-bit programs. Some older 32-bit programs, use a 16-bit installer EXE, which prevents the installer from running on a 64-bit system. So the main advantage of a 32-bit install, is "old stuff works". ******* The processor is likely 64-bit capable, but to verify that you can try ark.intel.com and look up the specs for it. Paul |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
On 8/6/2017 10:58 PM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? *IMHO Make sure you can find all the necessary drivers before you start. I just put 10-64 on a HP Elitebook. The HP site just said, "win10 not supported." A scavenger hunt found drivers for most, but not all the hardware. For win7, the HP site has a driver rollup that contains all the drivers in a format that you can just point device manager to and it just works. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? In addition to the other, very good, responses, remember that you cannot *upgrade* the OS to the 64-bit version, it must be installed from scratch. That means losing installed programs (you'll have to reinstall them), settings and data. -- Tim Slattery tim at risingdove dot com |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
Tim Slattery wrote:
Lucifer Morningstar wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? In addition to the other, very good, responses, remember that you cannot *upgrade* the OS to the 64-bit version, it must be installed from scratch. That means losing installed programs (you'll have to reinstall them), settings and data. Well, now you've taken all the fun out of it :-) Paul |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
On 8/7/2017 11:39 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? My question is are you sure you have the 32 bit installed. It was my understanding that the installer determined whether the computer was 32 or 64 bit and installed the appropriate version. -- 2017: The year we lean to play the great game of Euchre |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 12:45:31 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: On 8/7/2017 11:39 AM, Tim Slattery wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? My question is are you sure you have the 32 bit installed. It was my understanding that the installer determined whether the computer was 32 or 64 bit and installed the appropriate version. Does this not depend on the circumstances of the initial installation? When I upgraded I think from XP to Windows 7 the 'upgrade' process installed the 32 bit program and had I wanted 64 bit a clean install would have been required. |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 8/7/2017 11:39 AM, Tim Slattery wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? My question is are you sure you have the 32 bit installed. It was my understanding that the installer determined whether the computer was 32 or 64 bit and installed the appropriate version. I thought there was a 64-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it. And a 32-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it. The user downloads the correct one for the job. If you *boot* either of those DVDs, the interface will only offer "Clean" install. If you insert a DVD while the OS is running, and run "Setup.exe", then there is an opportunity for a Repair/Upgrade install. But it's not going to be happy if the OS is 32-bit and the DVD is 64-bit. The interface might say "reboot using the DVD and do a clean install" or words to that effect. There is no migration logic to hop between one bitness and the other bitness. It's in your best interest, not to lose focus while working on this stuff. Or at least to have a backup before starting. ******* I had a Win2K installer CD *delete* the partitions on a hard drive. That's how I learned to back up... Paul |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 12:45:31 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: On 8/7/2017 11:39 AM, Tim Slattery wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? My question is are you sure you have the 32 bit installed. It was my understanding that the installer determined whether the computer was 32 or 64 bit and installed the appropriate version. Its actually an HP Elitebook 2740p and I just confirmed the OS is 32 bit. There are separate downloads for 32 and 64 bit. |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 00:30:57 -0700, mike wrote:
On 8/6/2017 10:58 PM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? *IMHO Make sure you can find all the necessary drivers before you start. I just put 10-64 on a HP Elitebook. The HP site just said, "win10 not supported." A scavenger hunt found drivers for most, but not all the hardware. For win7, the HP site has a driver rollup that contains all the drivers in a format that you can just point device manager to and it just works. I was mistaken when I said my tablet PC is a Dell Lattitude. It is in fact an HP Elitebook 2740p. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. You make a good point and I think I will take that advice. Windows 10 about says 2.92 GB usable. |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 02:17:52 -0400, Paul
wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? *IMHO You would gain the usage of a little bit more of the installed RAM. Best case, you get to use 3.2GB of your 4GB installed, with the 32-bit OS, while the 64-bit will have access to all of it. Windows 10 about says 2.92 GB usable so that might be incentive to switch. Would PAE have any use here? If you switch to 64-bit, you can run 64-bit and 32-bit programs. With the 32-bit OS, you can run 32-bit and 16-bit programs. Some older 32-bit programs, use a 16-bit installer EXE, which prevents the installer from running on a 64-bit system. So the main advantage of a 32-bit install, is "old stuff works". In your experience how much of an advantage is that given I sometimes use old programs? ******* The processor is likely 64-bit capable, but to verify that you can try ark.intel.com and look up the specs for it. Windows 10 about says 32 bit operating system, x64 based processor. It does have an Intel i5. Paul |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 02:17:52 -0400, Paul wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? *IMHO You would gain the usage of a little bit more of the installed RAM. Best case, you get to use 3.2GB of your 4GB installed, with the 32-bit OS, while the 64-bit will have access to all of it. Windows 10 about says 2.92 GB usable so that might be incentive to switch. Would PAE have any use here? If you switch to 64-bit, you can run 64-bit and 32-bit programs. With the 32-bit OS, you can run 32-bit and 16-bit programs. Some older 32-bit programs, use a 16-bit installer EXE, which prevents the installer from running on a 64-bit system. So the main advantage of a 32-bit install, is "old stuff works". In your experience how much of an advantage is that given I sometimes use old programs? ******* The processor is likely 64-bit capable, but to verify that you can try ark.intel.com and look up the specs for it. Windows 10 about says 32 bit operating system, x64 based processor. It does have an Intel i5. Paul It boils down to "is it worth all that work, to gain another 800MB of memory" ? That's the basic question. The more memory your video card has on it, the more RAM you stand to get back by moving to 64-bit. The memory on the video card is mapped as well, and every byte on the video card, means one less byte of system memory is addressable from your 4GB installed. ******* As for PAE, PAE actually used to work. There was a time when a 32 bit OS could access 64GB of memory, but only in 4GB sized chunks. You would need to run sixteen 4GB programs to use it all. Now, due to the user/kernel split, it actually takes more than 16 programs, but that's not important to the concept. The point was, you couldn't run 32-bit Photoshop and get 63.5GB for it. The Microsoft memory license limits the address space available in Ring 3 (the application ring). And that's why you can only have 3.2GB or so. (You get *less* if you have a big video card - a 2GB video card would severely cripple your available address space for system memory with the MS memory/address license.) This guy hacked Vista x32 to use 8GB (all Ring3). That would be done by disabling driver signing checks and hacking some file with a hex editor. And the OS functioned normally. And that would be a PAE situation, so it would take two to four programs to use up all the RAM available. So this guy knows where the license check hides. http://www.geoffchappell.com/notes/w...nse/memory.htm ******* I'm using 8GB of RAM on WinXP SP3 on this computer. This is how it's allocated. 3.2GB Ring 3 (normal, used for programs) A small amount used for Ring 0 kernel (0.3GB). 0.8GB In-accessible area. 4.0GB DataRAM RAMdisk (Ring 0, uses PAE mode) ----- ----- 8.0GB Physical RAM installed The memory license is for Ring 3. The RAMdisk allows a user to get some value from the extra RAM, and since it's a "driver", it lives in Ring 0 with the kernel. Ring 0 is thus, the privileged ring. And isolation is intended to prevent Ring 3 applications from messing with the Ring 0 kernel+drivers. The "PAE Feature" was discontinued by the DataRAM programmer, with no explanation of "why". If you buy a copy of their product now, you cannot reproduce my WinXP setup. It only works with AWE ("low") memory. The upper graph here, is this machine I'm typing on. That's my tiny 4GB RAMDisk, with the nice consistent performance. The bottom graph is the Test Machine, and I put whole virtual machines into the bottom RAMDisk. And actually, that was a dumb idea (buying the RAM), as dollar for dollar, an SSD is 4x more cost effective. The OS and applications simply cannot use RAMDisks all that effectively. Even a cheesy SSD (the cheapest you can find at the computer store), gives 90% of the benefits, with none of that cost. https://postimg.org/image/ph1e57vc9/ Paul |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 12:45:31 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 8/7/2017 11:39 AM, Tim Slattery wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? My question is are you sure you have the 32 bit installed. It was my understanding that the installer determined whether the computer was 32 or 64 bit and installed the appropriate version. Its actually an HP Elitebook 2740p and I just confirmed the OS is 32 bit. There are separate downloads for 32 and 64 bit. Specs for that machine say a max of 8GB ram. If it were my machine I would max out the ram and install the 64 bit o/s. The increase in speed will be quite noticible. "Memory DDR3 SDRAM, 1066/1333 MHz*, two slots supporting dual-channel memory, 1024/2048/4096 MB SODIMMs, up to 8192 MB total " . |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 19:45:42 -0400, Paul
wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 02:17:52 -0400, Paul wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? *IMHO You would gain the usage of a little bit more of the installed RAM. Best case, you get to use 3.2GB of your 4GB installed, with the 32-bit OS, while the 64-bit will have access to all of it. Windows 10 about says 2.92 GB usable so that might be incentive to switch. Would PAE have any use here? If you switch to 64-bit, you can run 64-bit and 32-bit programs. With the 32-bit OS, you can run 32-bit and 16-bit programs. Some older 32-bit programs, use a 16-bit installer EXE, which prevents the installer from running on a 64-bit system. So the main advantage of a 32-bit install, is "old stuff works". In your experience how much of an advantage is that given I sometimes use old programs? ******* The processor is likely 64-bit capable, but to verify that you can try ark.intel.com and look up the specs for it. Windows 10 about says 32 bit operating system, x64 based processor. It does have an Intel i5. Paul It boils down to "is it worth all that work, to gain another 800MB of memory" ? That's the basic question. The more memory your video card has on it, the more RAM you stand to get back by moving to 64-bit. The memory on the video card is mapped as well, and every byte on the video card, means one less byte of system memory is addressable from your 4GB installed. Thanks. ******* As for PAE, PAE actually used to work. There was a time when a 32 bit OS could access 64GB of memory, but only in 4GB sized chunks. You would need to run sixteen 4GB programs to use it all. Now, due to the user/kernel split, it actually takes more than 16 programs, but that's not important to the concept. The point was, you couldn't run 32-bit Photoshop and get 63.5GB for it. The Microsoft memory license limits the address space available in Ring 3 (the application ring). And that's why you can only have 3.2GB or so. (You get *less* if you have a big video card - a 2GB video card would severely cripple your available address space for system memory with the MS memory/address license.) This guy hacked Vista x32 to use 8GB (all Ring3). You mean x86 right? That would be done by disabling driver signing checks and hacking some file with a hex editor. And the OS functioned normally. And that would be a PAE situation, so it would take two to four programs to use up all the RAM available. So this guy knows where the license check hides. http://www.geoffchappell.com/notes/w...nse/memory.htm I only know that Microsoft has set limits in each 32 bit version of Windows. Windows Version Memory limit Windows 2000 Professional, Server 4 GB Windows 2000 Advanced Server 8 GB Windows 2000 Datacenter 32 GB Windows XP Starter 0.5 GB Windows XP (Other editions) 4 GB Windows Server 2003 Web SP2 2 GB Windows Server 2003 Standard SP2 4 GB Windows Server 2003 Enterprise/Datacenter SP2 64 GB Windows Storage Server 2003 Enterprise 8 GB Windows Storage Server 2003 (other editions) 4 GB Windows Home Server 4 GB Windows Vista Starter 1 GB Windows Vista (Other editions) 4 GB Windows Server 2008 Standard, Web 4 GB Windows Server 2008 Enterprise, Datacenter 64 GB Windows 7 Starter 2 GB Windows 7 (Other editions) 4 GB Windows 8 (all editions) 4 GB Windows 10 (all editions) 4 GB ******* I'm using 8GB of RAM on WinXP SP3 on this computer. This is how it's allocated. 3.2GB Ring 3 (normal, used for programs) A small amount used for Ring 0 kernel (0.3GB). 0.8GB In-accessible area. 4.0GB DataRAM RAMdisk (Ring 0, uses PAE mode) ----- ----- 8.0GB Physical RAM installed The memory license is for Ring 3. The RAMdisk allows a user to get some value from the extra RAM, and since it's a "driver", it lives in Ring 0 with the kernel. Ring 0 is thus, the privileged ring. And isolation is intended to prevent Ring 3 applications from messing with the Ring 0 kernel+drivers. The "PAE Feature" was discontinued by the DataRAM programmer, with no explanation of "why". If you buy a copy of their product now, you cannot reproduce my WinXP setup. It only works with AWE ("low") memory. The upper graph here, is this machine I'm typing on. That's my tiny 4GB RAMDisk, with the nice consistent performance. The bottom graph is the Test Machine, and I put whole virtual machines into the bottom RAMDisk. And actually, that was a dumb idea (buying the RAM), as dollar for dollar, an SSD is 4x more cost effective. The OS and applications simply cannot use RAMDisks all that effectively. Even a cheesy SSD (the cheapest you can find at the computer store), gives 90% of the benefits, with none of that cost. https://postimg.org/image/ph1e57vc9/ According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physic...ress_Extension 32 bit Windows XP starter has an upper limit of 0.5 GB RAM and other 32 bit XP editions have a 4 GB limit with PAE. Windows 10 all editions have a limit of 4 GB. I had a server with 8 Pentium 3 900 Mhz CPUs and 8 GB RAM. That used PAE to access the full 8 gigs. I'd still like to know why my desktop computer with 2 x 2 GB RAM can only use 1.96 GB. Paul |
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Windows 10 32 or 64 bit?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 19:46:40 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 12:45:31 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 8/7/2017 11:39 AM, Tim Slattery wrote: I have a Dell Lattitude tablet PC which has an i5 dual core CPU and 4 GB RAM. I have Windows 10 32 bit installed and it works well.* Would it be worthwhile to install the 64 bit version of Windows 10? My question is are you sure you have the 32 bit installed. It was my understanding that the installer determined whether the computer was 32 or 64 bit and installed the appropriate version. Its actually an HP Elitebook 2740p and I just confirmed the OS is 32 bit. There are separate downloads for 32 and 64 bit. Specs for that machine say a max of 8GB ram. If it were my machine I would max out the ram and install the 64 bit o/s. The increase in speed will be quite noticible. "Memory DDR3 SDRAM, 1066/1333 MHz*, two slots supporting dual-channel memory, 1024/2048/4096 MB SODIMMs, up to 8192 MB total " . I have a Dell laptop which has an i7 quad core processor. It too has one 4 GB card with two slots so I thought about buying a second card from Ebay, until I saw the price, around AU$80. |
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