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32-bit operating system to a 64-bit operating system
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based
processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a 64 bit operating system. Edition Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.608 Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088 Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable) System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display |
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On 9/25/2017 7:36 AM, Albert wrote:
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a 64 bit operating system. Edition Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.608 Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088 Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable) System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display your computer already contains both systems! ("SYSTEM" and "SYSTEM32") . What do you mean "go to a 64-bit system" ?? |
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"Albert" wrote
|I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based | processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I | and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a | 64 bit operating system. | They're two different things. You can't just switch to 64-bit. You'd need to buy the 64-bit version, if you don't have it, and install that. So the process would be like any switch: Back up all data files. Make sure you have all software activation codes, etc. Then install the new OS. Is there a good reason for the switch? Unless you need software that only comes in 64-bit (still rare) or *really* need more than 3+ GB RAM (unlikely unless you do something like editing large videos) there's no benefit in 64-bit and you could possibly have some things that won't run under 64-bit. That latter concern is not likely these days, but it's possible. 32 and 64 can't mix in the same process. That means that while 32-bit software can run on Win64, 32-bit DLLs cannot run in 64-bit software processes. For example, if you have a favorite shell extension, explorer bar, etc, it might not work on Win64, because Explorer-64 is 64-bit. A good way to check whether you might benefit from 64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and decide to do something like sharpen a very big image, does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The 3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of RAM. The difference between the two is only that Win64 uses bigger numbers. The standard value for pointers, handles, etc is an 8-byte number instead of a 4-byte number. That's it. There's nothing "better" about it. But it does allow more flexibility. The reason you can have more RAM is because 4-byte numbers only go up to about 4 billion, so only about 4 GB of RAM can be numerically addressed ("pointed to") on Win32. There are very few other cases where the difference will matter. |
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Mathedman wrote:
On 9/25/2017 7:36 AM, Albert wrote: I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a 64 bit operating system. Edition Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.608 Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088 Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable) System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display your computer already contains both systems! ("SYSTEM" and "SYSTEM32") . What do you mean "go to a 64-bit system" ?? He's running the 32-bit version of the OS on 64-bit hardware. It's interesting that whatever generates this display knows that there is 16GB of RAM installed, but the 32-bit OS restricts him to using only 2.69GB. (There must be another 1.3GB on the video board and BIOS, etc) The bad news is that there is no way to "upgrade" to the 64-bit version. Microsoft set things up so that going from the 32-bit to the 64-bit version of the OS requires installing from scratch. -- Tim Slattery tim at risingdove dot com |
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Mayayana wrote:
A good way to check whether you might benefit from 64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and decide to do something like sharpen a very big image, does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The 3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of RAM. OP already indicated that he would benefit: "Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)" If the system came with that amount of RAM from the start then whoever installed the OS made a boo-boo. Bad news for OP is that you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit. You will have to backup all your data off the system. Gather up all your program install disks or downloaded installers. Install the Windows from the 64-bit disk or ISO. Following that comes the tedious part of copying back your data and reinstalling all your third-party apps. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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On 9/25/2017 10:01 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
Mathedman wrote: On 9/25/2017 7:36 AM, Albert wrote: I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a 64 bit operating system. Edition Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.608 Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088 Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable) System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display your computer already contains both systems! ("SYSTEM" and "SYSTEM32") . What do you mean "go to a 64-bit system" ?? He's running the 32-bit version of the OS on 64-bit hardware. It's interesting that whatever generates this display knows that there is 16GB of RAM installed, but the 32-bit OS restricts him to using only 2.69GB. (There must be another 1.3GB on the video board and BIOS, etc) The bad news is that there is no way to "upgrade" to the 64-bit version. Microsoft set things up so that going from the 32-bit to the 64-bit version of the OS requires installing from scratch. Dumb question: If he does a fresh install of from Windows 10, will it pick up the 32 bit version from his current install or will the installer pickup the 64 bit processor and install the 64 bit version. This would wipe the OS and drivers from the disk and be a complete new install of the OS and updating the drivers to 64 bit. He would have to re installation of all of his programs. He should back up all of his data before doing the fresh install as it might get corrupted. (I believe you can do a fresh install with out loosing the data.) -- 2017: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre |
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On 09/25/2017 09:23 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Mayayana wrote: Â* A good way to check whether you might benefit from 64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and decide to do something like sharpen a very big image, does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The 3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of RAM. OP already indicated that he would benefit: "Installed RAMÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)" If the system came with that amount of RAM from the start then whoever installed the OS made a boo-boo. Bad news for OP is that you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit. You will have to backup all your data off the system. Gather up all your program install disks or downloaded installers. Install the Windows from the 64-bit disk or ISO. Following that comes the tedious part of copying back your data and reinstalling all your third-party apps. Yep. Absolutely correct and excellent advice. |
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Albert wrote:
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a 64 bit operating system. Edition Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.608 Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088 Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable) System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display You can get the media necessary for free. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO Windows 10 Creator Update Windows 10 English (or whatever) 64-bit download (contains Pro and Home on the same ISO) There is a 32-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it. There is a 64-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it. You would want the latter one. ******* Let's say you have a hard drive, and it has space on it. Perhaps you used MSDOS partitioning. +-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+ | MBR | System Reserved | Win10_32 C: | recovery | unallocated | +-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+ You can boot the computer with the new DVD you downloaded above, the 64-bit one. You can select Custom when installing, then use the interface there to *add* a partition. You could install Win10_64 separately, like this. While the OS is installing, the lettering of the partitions looks like this. Primary Primary Primary Primary +-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+ | MBR | System Reserved | Win10_32 D: | recovery | Win10_64 C: | +-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+ * Boot Flag The boot menu is stored in System Reserved. It offers two OSes, and you can choose at boot time, whether the old (useful) 32-bit boots, or the now-empty 64-bit one boots. They can both use the same license key. The OS should really activate all by itself, without help. when it asks for license key, you can "skip" and click activate later. An MSDOS partitioned disk, supports four Primary partitions, or three Primary plus an Extended with multiple logical partitions in it. Secondary copies of Windows can even go into Logical partitions. I prefer the above configuration, because it's easier to maintain with partition management programs. I think my Win2K disk, when I accidentally installed a second copy of Win2K on a drive, it actually made the fourth partition an Extended, and put a Logical in it for me. Which was a pain in the ass to fix later. Anyway, that's an example of a "non-interfering" way of dual booting two copies of Win10 on the same machine. Only one copy can be running at a time, so the license is not being "abused" by doing that. Each OS has a unique identifier, so Microsoft can tell the difference as to what is booted. You can then add 64-bit programs (if you want), to your new 64-bit OS. For example, Adobe Creative Cloud, only runs in a 64-bit OS, and a dual boot with Creative Cloud in the second OS, might make sense. If in Disk Management (Right click start and it is in there), you should be able to figure out whether the disk drive is MSDOS partitions or GPT partitioned. GPT allows a lot more partitions to be defined, and isn't nearly as restrictive as the above examples would suggest. Note that, the "dual boot" software path in Win10 is slow. I use it, and that's how I know this. It doesn't come up as quick as having only a single copy of Windows. But still, it can be worth doing. By creating two OSes today like this, you can transition from one OS to the other, at your own pace. You can spend the whole day, moving your email profile to the new machine. And, so on. There's no rush to solve a thousand install woes, on the first day. Paul |
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote
| A good way to check whether you might benefit from | 64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only | program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you | use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and | decide to do something like sharpen a very big image, | does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more | RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that | then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The | 3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of | RAM. | | OP already indicated that he would benefit: | "Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)" | You didn't read what I wrote. He's not using all of the RAM but the question is whether *he needs* more RAM. Many people throw RAM into their computers like it's a panacea. Then they open MS Word and go back to writing papers. If he mainly writes Word docs or does email or browses online then it's very unlikely he'll benefit from more RAM. You *might* benefit from more RAM if you wait for things. If not then it won't help. We don't know what the OP does with his computer. That's why I asked about things like image editing. You're assuming he'll be better off with more RAM access. There's no basis for that assumption. And that's not even getting into the cost of buying a new Windows disk and spending all that time on backup and install. | If the system came with that amount of RAM from the start then whoever | installed the OS made a boo-boo. | Not necessarily. A 16 GB stick might be accomodated by the board and may have been cheap. I'm running XP-32 with 8 GB RAM. I built the box and 8 GB was the cheapest way to buy it. I'm getting about 3.3 GB of that. I'm not worried. My case is a good example. I could go to all the expense of buying Windows again and installing everything. But I won't see any difference because I don't need that extra RAM now. I do image editing. I write software. And I almost never wait a discernible amount of time for anything. You can't go faster than instant. Meanwhile, if I switched to 64-bit I'd have to give up some things. Most notably my custom Explorer Bar. |
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On 25/09/2017 13:36, Albert wrote:
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a 64 bit operating system. Edition Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.608 Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088 Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable) System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display To answer your main question: "Can I and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a 64 bit operating system.", the short answer is that you can't because to upgrade the system from 32 bit to 64 bit requires a complete re-install of the Operating system and therefore, your data is lost. If you are as organized as I am then best thing is to start making a list of all your applications and their serial numbers and also start looking for the CDs for the applications you are already using so that you can easily wipe the disk clean and reinstall all the applications you are currently using. It might be that you might want to take this opportunity to buy latest versions of the applications, in which case you won't need to worry about old software packages. Your personal data such as documents, videos, images, music downloads etc should be backed up before doing anything. Keith Nutter can help you do this as he is expert in these things. -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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"Mayayana" wrote | You *might* benefit from more RAM if you wait for | things. I should have explained that *might*. I find that many people I help end up with slow computers from various causes. Bloat. Anti-virus. Too many windows open. General file corruption.Then there are various, less well known causes. TEMP files. Too many junk services running. Windows Update run amock.... One of the worst culprits in Win9x and XP (I don't know if it's still a problem) is a big IE cache. It can slow the system to a crawl. Apparently the Explorer/IE link would cause Explorer to parse that cache when doing Desktop operations. When people start dealing with a molasses system they start looking for solutions. More often than not they're told to add RAM. Usually that's not the problem. |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote | A good way to check whether you might benefit from | 64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only | program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you | use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and | decide to do something like sharpen a very big image, | does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more | RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that | then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The | 3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of | RAM. | | OP already indicated that he would benefit: | "Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)" | You didn't read what I wrote. He's not using all of the RAM but the question is whether *he needs* more RAM. Many people throw RAM into their computers like it's a panacea. Then they open MS Word and go back to writing papers. If he mainly writes Word docs or does email or browses online then it's very unlikely he'll benefit from more RAM. You *might* benefit from more RAM if you wait for things. If not then it won't help. We don't know what the OP does with his computer. That's why I asked about things like image editing. You're assuming he'll be better off with more RAM access. There's no basis for that assumption. And that's not even getting into the cost of buying a new Windows disk and spending all that time on backup and install. | If the system came with that amount of RAM from the start then whoever | installed the OS made a boo-boo. | Not necessarily. A 16 GB stick might be accomodated by the board and may have been cheap. I'm running XP-32 with 8 GB RAM. I built the box and 8 GB was the cheapest way to buy it. I'm getting about 3.3 GB of that. I'm not worried. Possible, but mostly absurd. If OP only does a bit of word processing then 1) he was sold the wrong computer, a lower spec machine would suit and definitely be less expensive. 2) 16GB? No way 8GB sticks less expensive than 4GB or 2GB... 3) Now with old hardware and old type of RAM are more expensive...take a look at price of EDO...but then why the hell would you put XP on new hardware? Go with the 8GB or 16GB and run XP in VM. My case is a good example. I could go to all the expense of buying Windows again and installing everything. But I won't see any difference because I don't need that extra RAM now. I do image editing. I write software. And I almost never wait a discernible amount of time for anything. You can't go faster than instant. Meanwhile, if I switched to 64-bit I'd have to give up some things. Most notably my custom Explorer Bar. "custom Explorer Bar"? -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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On 25/09/2017 17:28, KenW wrote:
Can't teach an old dog new tricks ! KenW Best thing is to humanly euthanize them. -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Paul wrote in news
Albert wrote: I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a 64 bit operating system. Edition Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.608 Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088 Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable) System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display You can get the media necessary for free. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO Windows 10 Creator Update Windows 10 English (or whatever) 64-bit download (contains Pro and Home on the same ISO) There is a 32-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it. There is a 64-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it. You would want the latter one. ******* Let's say you have a hard drive, and it has space on it. Perhaps you used MSDOS partitioning. +-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+ | MBR | System Reserved | Win10_32 C: | recovery | unallocated | +-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+ You can boot the computer with the new DVD you downloaded above, the 64-bit one. You can select Custom when installing, then use the interface there to *add* a partition. You could install Win10_64 separately, like this. While the OS is installing, the lettering of the partitions looks like this. Primary Primary Primary Primary +-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+ | MBR | System Reserved | Win10_32 D: | recovery | Win10_64 C: | +-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+ * Boot Flag The boot menu is stored in System Reserved. It offers two OSes, and you can choose at boot time, whether the old (useful) 32-bit boots, or the now-empty 64-bit one boots. They can both use the same license key. The OS should really activate all by itself, without help. when it asks for license key, you can "skip" and click activate later. An MSDOS partitioned disk, supports four Primary partitions, or three Primary plus an Extended with multiple logical partitions in it. Secondary copies of Windows can even go into Logical partitions. I prefer the above configuration, because it's easier to maintain with partition management programs. I think my Win2K disk, when I accidentally installed a second copy of Win2K on a drive, it actually made the fourth partition an Extended, and put a Logical in it for me. Which was a pain in the ass to fix later. Anyway, that's an example of a "non-interfering" way of dual booting two copies of Win10 on the same machine. Only one copy can be running at a time, so the license is not being "abused" by doing that. Each OS has a unique identifier, so Microsoft can tell the difference as to what is booted. You can then add 64-bit programs (if you want), to your new 64-bit OS. For example, Adobe Creative Cloud, only runs in a 64-bit OS, and a dual boot with Creative Cloud in the second OS, might make sense. If in Disk Management (Right click start and it is in there), you should be able to figure out whether the disk drive is MSDOS partitions or GPT partitioned. GPT allows a lot more partitions to be defined, and isn't nearly as restrictive as the above examples would suggest. Note that, the "dual boot" software path in Win10 is slow. I use it, and that's how I know this. It doesn't come up as quick as having only a single copy of Windows. But still, it can be worth doing. By creating two OSes today like this, you can transition from one OS to the other, at your own pace. You can spend the whole day, moving your email profile to the new machine. And, so on. There's no rush to solve a thousand install woes, on the first day. Paul In the past, I have had problems with having two versions of Windows on the same drive and multi-booting. Have they fixed that problem, or is it still a good idea to keep each version on a separate drive? And while I am writing, remember that even if you have a 64bit OS installed, when you go to run a 32bit program, you will still run into the 4GB memory limitation. Just something to keep in mind. When I built this PC a couple of years ago, I decided that it was probably going to be my last PC*, and since I had the money at the time I put 24GB of RAM in it. I do some video editing and video transcoding, and even when I have a couple of transcodes going at once, I have still never used more than four or five of those twentyfour gigabytes. As far as I'm concerned, that just means I can run more VMs at the same time with a decent chunk of RAM set aside for each one. *Between my age, my medical condition, and my family history, it is likely that the Grim Reaper or Alzheimer's will get me before I outgrow this system. |
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote
| If OP only does a bit of word processing then | | 1) he was sold the wrong computer, a lower spec machine would suit and | definitely be less expensive. | Maybe. We don't know the scenario. We don't know how he got his computer. Last time I looked in BestBuy (not very recent) their cheapest model was a Compaq for under $400 with 16 GB RAM. Again, you're making assumptions. I see what you mean about maybe not needing an i7, but we really don't know anything about how he uses his computer or how he got it. | 2) 16GB? No way 8GB sticks less expensive than 4GB or 2GB... | I don't remember the details. It was 8 GB of Kingston in late 2015 for $46. They may not have had 4 GB sticks for sale. Or they may have been similar price. If 4 GB had made sense I would have bought it, as I had (and have) no plan to move to 64-bit anytime soon. I have 64-bit Win7 that I use occasionally for things like audio or video editing. Other than that I don't need it. It was given to me. | 3) Now with old hardware and old type of RAM are more expensive...take a | look at price of EDO...but then why the hell would you put XP on new | hardware? Go with the 8GB or 16GB and run XP in VM. | I use XP because it does what I need and gets out of the way. It's also not spyware. I can't say any of those things for Win7/10. They might be able to do what I need, but only with some hassles. They *don't* get out of the way. They are spyware. Though I regard Win7 as salvageable and would use it if necessary. You would have me buy a Win10 machine and run XP in a VM on that? Why? To my mind the VM craze is based on ninny-headed thinking. So many people are running VMs. I doubt most of them are necessary or even useful. Wasn't it you who said the OP had a machine too powerful? What could be a better indication of wasted resources than installing a bloatware OS and then running another OS inside it? Basically, I have a computer that does what I want and need. Things happen instantly. It doesn't argue with me. It doesn't pop up messages saying I don't have a right to open my files. It doesn't call home. Some people think an older computer is a security risk. That's as much a partial truth as "RAM makes things fast". | Meanwhile, if I switched | to 64-bit I'd have to give up some things. Most notably my | custom Explorer Bar. | | "custom Explorer Bar"? | I wrote an Explorer Bar to provide a number of conveniences. The left side of folder windows has lots of possibilities but it's mostly wasted unless one prefers having a file system treeview on the left. In Win9x/2000 it was highly customizable. Inspired by that, I wanted to bring back that functionality in XP/7. But my bar, like the DLLs I've written and use, is 32-bit. http://www.jsware.net/jsware/jsfv.php5 |
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