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Old August 19th 15, 07:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)

On 8/19/2015 at 9:08:26 AM ceg wrote:


BTW, if anyone needs it, the 64-bit and 32-bit Win10 ISO's are he
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO

The 32-bit ISO took about two hours (on a relatively slow
connection), and the 64-bit ISO took twice as long, and seems to have
failed in the end, so I'll try again to create the ISO.


....but the link you are quoting does not allow to directly download the
..iso file. It requires to install the Media Creation Tool first.
Unless I'm blind...

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Old August 19th 15, 07:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)

On 08/19/2015 01:04 PM, tb wrote:
On 8/19/2015 at 9:08:26 AM ceg wrote:


BTW, if anyone needs it, the 64-bit and 32-bit Win10 ISO's are he
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO

The 32-bit ISO took about two hours (on a relatively slow
connection), and the 64-bit ISO took twice as long, and seems to have
failed in the end, so I'll try again to create the ISO.


...but the link you are quoting does not allow to directly download the
.iso file. It requires to install the Media Creation Tool first.
Unless I'm blind...


I downloaded the ISO (64-bit) from that page, and used it to upgrade a
Win8.1 installation. I never saw a link to any "Media Creation Tool".

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Old August 19th 15, 09:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)

On 8/19/2015 at 2:04:52 PM ceg wrote:

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:04:39 +0000, tb wrote:


I have directly downloaded both the Win10 32-bit & 64-bit ISO files
from: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO


Ok, then I am blind! Where on that page do you see the link to
directly download the .iso file?

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Old August 19th 15, 09:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/19/2015 01:04 PM, tb wrote:
On 8/19/2015 at 9:08:26 AM ceg wrote:


BTW, if anyone needs it, the 64-bit and 32-bit Win10 ISO's are he
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO

The 32-bit ISO took about two hours (on a relatively slow
connection), and the 64-bit ISO took twice as long, and seems to have
failed in the end, so I'll try again to create the ISO.


...but the link you are quoting does not allow to directly download the
.iso file. It requires to install the Media Creation Tool first.
Unless I'm blind...


I downloaded the ISO (64-bit) from that page, and used it to upgrade a
Win8.1 installation. I never saw a link to any "Media Creation Tool".


The web page has "variant behavior".

On modern Windows, you will be given MediaCreationTool.exe from
that web page.

Using older Windows or foreign systems, the download will
be a *direct* ISO (because MediaCreationTool.exe won't
run on just anything). The ISO is custom made for you (apparently)
and uses disk storage on a server somewhere. The ISO is
valid for download, for 24 hours. The first times I tried
it, the ISO was corrupted.

Paul
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Old August 19th 15, 09:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)

tb wrote:
On 8/19/2015 at 2:04:52 PM ceg wrote:

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:04:39 +0000, tb wrote:


I have directly downloaded both the Win10 32-bit & 64-bit ISO files
from: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO


Ok, then I am blind! Where on that page do you see the link to
directly download the .iso file?


Got a WinXP computer ?

Try browsing to that page while running WinXP.

What happened today ?

Note that a visit to that page, doesn't even
need to have consistent behavior from one day
to the next.

Paul
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Old August 20th 15, 02:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)

On 8/19/2015 at 7:47:48 PM ceg wrote:


I just went there, on Firefox on Linux, and got the Win10 ISO
download.

You have to first hit "Select Edition" "Windows 10" and then
"Confirm". Then you hit "English" and then "Confirm".

What you get are download links for both the 32-bit & 64-bit iso.


Aaahhh... now I understand! What I was doing wrong is going to that
page you gave me using Windows 7. Doing that would only give me the
choice to download the Media Creation Tool.

I went to the same page using Slackware Linux and, sure enough, it
gives you the option to download the .iso file. I did that and burned
it to a DVD.

Next question: After having downloaded and burned the .iso file, I
tried booting up the DVD from my Linux PC (i.e. a PC that only has
Linux installed on it). Just for the fun of it. Inserted the DVD in
the tray, shut down the system, rebooted. It did not go very far...
All it did during the bootup process was for the DVD to spin for a few
seconds. Then a small cyan/white Microsoft Windows logo appeared in
the middle of the screen, on a black backgound. And that was it! The
screen remained frozen to the cyan/white Microsoft Windows logo on a
black background.

Am I to conclude that the .iso file downloaded and burned to a DVD
boots up only if it detects that Microsoft Windows is installed on the
PC?

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Old August 20th 15, 03:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)

tb wrote:
On 8/19/2015 at 7:47:48 PM ceg wrote:

I just went there, on Firefox on Linux, and got the Win10 ISO
download.

You have to first hit "Select Edition" "Windows 10" and then
"Confirm". Then you hit "English" and then "Confirm".

What you get are download links for both the 32-bit & 64-bit iso.


Aaahhh... now I understand! What I was doing wrong is going to that
page you gave me using Windows 7. Doing that would only give me the
choice to download the Media Creation Tool.

I went to the same page using Slackware Linux and, sure enough, it
gives you the option to download the .iso file. I did that and burned
it to a DVD.

Next question: After having downloaded and burned the .iso file, I
tried booting up the DVD from my Linux PC (i.e. a PC that only has
Linux installed on it). Just for the fun of it. Inserted the DVD in
the tray, shut down the system, rebooted. It did not go very far...
All it did during the bootup process was for the DVD to spin for a few
seconds. Then a small cyan/white Microsoft Windows logo appeared in
the middle of the screen, on a black backgound. And that was it! The
screen remained frozen to the cyan/white Microsoft Windows logo on a
black background.

Am I to conclude that the .iso file downloaded and burned to a DVD
boots up only if it detects that Microsoft Windows is installed on the
PC?


Your ISO could be corrupted.

1) Yes, we have a windows10 page which purports to provide
media for you.
2) If you run a web browser on Win7, Win8, Win10 even,
the web site uses the USER AGENT string to figure out
you're on an advanced windows system. One likely to have
.NET to run the MediaCreationTool.exe. Microsoft then
gives you a copy of that to run, to do the download step.
3) If you're on WinXP or Linux, Microsoft resorts to giving
a direct link to the ISO9660 file. No download manager
is used. MediaCreationTool is a download manager, and can
detect trouble. When you download an ISO directly, as
in the (3) case, it's up to you to figure out the file
is truncated.

I used WinXP (method 3), and two ISO downloads were
corrupted. This is what I eventually got.

Win10_English_x64.iso 4,083,853,312 bytes (Canadian version?)
Win10_English_x32.iso 3,052,865,536 bytes (Canadian version?)

And Mike Tomlinson got

[me@linuxbox downloaded ISO]$ ls -l
total 6976272
-rw-rw-r-- 1 me users 3052865536 Jul 11 05:29 Win10_English_x32.iso
-rw-rw-r-- 1 me users 4083853312 Jul 10 22:39 Win10_English_x64.iso

So we seem to have the same size of file. Mike's MD5sum

99feb0f9e7262b7eefa460840a31b59d Win10_English_x32.iso
23e397a21a9e01f141c64b7e1260314a Win10_English_x64.iso

And I got

99feb0f9e7262b7eefa460840a31b59d *Win10_English_x32.iso
23e397a21a9e01f141c64b7e1260314a *Win10_English_x64.iso

So the final disks are the same. When you use MediaCreationTool,
the install.esd downloaded, no two are the same. If the
install.esd is used directly on a ISO, then no two ISO
files would be the same. If an install.esd is converted
to an install.wim, then all the install.wim files should be
the same. And a look inside the ISO shows an install.wim.

(My Win8 media here, uses install.esd)

Someone who has an ISO created with the MediaCreationTool,
should look at their disc to see whether it has install.esd
or install.wim.

And 7ZIP can no longer open the install.wim, so Microsoft
changed it. After Microsoft having written a public
spec for WIM a couple of years ago and everything.

Paul
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Old August 20th 15, 08:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Paul wrote on 08/20/2015 10:59 AM:

Your ISO could be corrupted.

1) Yes, we have a windows10 page which purports to provide
media for you.
2) If you run a web browser on Win7, Win8, Win10 even,
the web site uses the USER AGENT string to figure out
you're on an advanced windows system. One likely to have
.NET to run the MediaCreationTool.exe. Microsoft then
gives you a copy of that to run, to do the download step.
3) If you're on WinXP or Linux, Microsoft resorts to giving
a direct link to the ISO9660 file. No download manager
is used. MediaCreationTool is a download manager, and can
detect trouble. When you download an ISO directly, as
in the (3) case, it's up to you to figure out the file
is truncated.



+1


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Old August 20th 15, 11:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:04:10 +0000 (UTC), "tb"
wrote:

Aaahhh... now I understand! What I was doing wrong is going to that
page you gave me using Windows 7. Doing that would only give me the
choice to download the Media Creation Tool.


And if you had followed through with that download, running the MCT would in
turn have provided the capability to download either or both of the ISO
files.

So either way, you get to the same place. The MCT approach allegedly does an
integrity check, though, so that's helpful.


 




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