32-bit operating system to a 64-bit operating system

I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based
processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I
and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a
64 bit operating system.

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 1703
OS Build 15063.608
Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088
Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)
System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor
PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

On 9/25/2017 7:36 AM, Albert wrote:
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based
processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I
and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a
64 bit operating system.

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 1703
OS Build 15063.608
Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088
Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)
System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor
PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display


your computer already contains both systems! ("SYSTEM" and
"SYSTEM32") . What do you mean "go to a 64-bit system" ??

"Albert" wrote

|I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based
| processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I
| and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a
| 64 bit operating system.
|

They're two different things. You can't just switch
to 64-bit. You'd need to buy the 64-bit version, if
you don't have it, and install that. So the process would
be like any switch: Back up all data files. Make sure you
have all software activation codes, etc. Then install the
new OS.

Is there a good reason for the switch? Unless you
need software that only comes in 64-bit (still rare) or
*really* need more than 3+ GB RAM (unlikely unless you
do something like editing large videos) there's no benefit
in 64-bit and you could possibly have some things that
won't run under 64-bit. That latter concern is not likely
these days, but it's possible. 32 and 64 can't
mix in the same process. That means that while 32-bit
software can run on Win64, 32-bit DLLs cannot run in
64-bit software processes. For example, if you have a
favorite shell extension, explorer bar, etc, it might not
work on Win64, because Explorer-64 is 64-bit.

A good way to check whether you might benefit from
64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only
program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you
use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and
decide to do something like sharpen a very big image,
does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more
RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that
then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The
3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of
RAM.

The difference between the two is only that Win64
uses bigger numbers. The standard value for pointers,
handles, etc is an 8-byte number instead of a 4-byte
number. That's it. There's nothing "better" about it. But
it does allow more flexibility. The reason you can have
more RAM is because 4-byte numbers only go up to about
4 billion, so only about 4 GB of RAM can be numerically
addressed ("pointed to") on Win32. There are very few
other cases where the difference will matter.

Mathedman wrote:

On 9/25/2017 7:36 AM, Albert wrote:
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based
processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I
and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a
64 bit operating system.

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 1703
OS Build 15063.608
Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088
Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)
System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor
PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display


your computer already contains both systems! ("SYSTEM" and
"SYSTEM32") . What do you mean "go to a 64-bit system" ??

He's running the 32-bit version of the OS on 64-bit hardware. It's
interesting that whatever generates this display knows that there is
16GB of RAM installed, but the 32-bit OS restricts him to using only
2.69GB. (There must be another 1.3GB on the video board and BIOS, etc)

The bad news is that there is no way to "upgrade" to the 64-bit
version. Microsoft set things up so that going from the 32-bit to the
64-bit version of the OS requires installing from scratch.

--
Tim Slattery
tim at risingdove dot com

Mayayana wrote:
A good way to check whether you might benefit from
64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only
program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you
use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and
decide to do something like sharpen a very big image,
does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more
RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that
then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The
3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of
RAM.

OP already indicated that he would benefit:
"Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)"

If the system came with that amount of RAM from the start then whoever
installed the OS made a boo-boo.

Bad news for OP is that you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit.

You will have to backup all your data off the system. Gather up all your
program install disks or downloaded installers. Install the Windows from
the 64-bit disk or ISO. Following that comes the tedious part of copying
back your data and reinstalling all your third-party apps.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 9/25/2017 10:01 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
Mathedman wrote:

On 9/25/2017 7:36 AM, Albert wrote:
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based
processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I
and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a
64 bit operating system.

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 1703
OS Build 15063.608
Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088
Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)
System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor
PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display


your computer already contains both systems! ("SYSTEM" and
"SYSTEM32") . What do you mean "go to a 64-bit system" ??

He's running the 32-bit version of the OS on 64-bit hardware. It's
interesting that whatever generates this display knows that there is
16GB of RAM installed, but the 32-bit OS restricts him to using only
2.69GB. (There must be another 1.3GB on the video board and BIOS, etc)

The bad news is that there is no way to "upgrade" to the 64-bit
version. Microsoft set things up so that going from the 32-bit to the
64-bit version of the OS requires installing from scratch.

Dumb question: If he does a fresh install of from Windows 10, will it
pick up the 32 bit version from his current install or will the
installer pickup the 64 bit processor and install the 64 bit version.

This would wipe the OS and drivers from the disk and be a complete new
install of the OS and updating the drivers to 64 bit. He would have to
re installation of all of his programs. He should back up all of his
data before doing the fresh install as it might get corrupted. (I
believe you can do a fresh install with out loosing the data.)




--
2017: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 09/25/2017 09:23 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
Â* A good way to check whether you might benefit from
64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only
program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you
use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and
decide to do something like sharpen a very big image,
does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more
RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that
then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The
3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of
RAM.

OP already indicated that he would benefit:
"Installed RAMÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)"

If the system came with that amount of RAM from the start then whoever
installed the OS made a boo-boo.

Bad news for OP is that you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit.

You will have to backup all your data off the system. Gather up all your
program install disks or downloaded installers. Install the Windows from
the 64-bit disk or ISO. Following that comes the tedious part of copying
back your data and reinstalling all your third-party apps.




Yep. Absolutely correct and excellent advice.

Albert wrote:
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based
processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I
and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a
64 bit operating system.

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 1703
OS Build 15063.608
Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088
Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)
System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor
PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

You can get the media necessary for free.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO

Windows 10 Creator Update
Windows 10

English (or whatever)

64-bit download (contains Pro and Home on the same ISO)

There is a 32-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it.
There is a 64-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it.

You would want the latter one.

*******

Let's say you have a hard drive, and it has space on it.
Perhaps you used MSDOS partitioning.

+-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | Win10_32 C: | recovery | unallocated |
+-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+

You can boot the computer with the new DVD you downloaded above,
the 64-bit one. You can select Custom when installing, then use the
interface there to *add* a partition. You could install Win10_64
separately, like this. While the OS is installing, the lettering
of the partitions looks like this.

Primary Primary Primary Primary
+-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | Win10_32 D: | recovery | Win10_64 C: |
+-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+
* Boot Flag

The boot menu is stored in System Reserved. It
offers two OSes, and you can choose at boot time, whether the old
(useful) 32-bit boots, or the now-empty 64-bit one boots.

They can both use the same license key. The OS should really activate
all by itself, without help. when it asks for license key, you can
"skip" and click activate later.

An MSDOS partitioned disk, supports four Primary partitions,
or three Primary plus an Extended with multiple logical partitions
in it. Secondary copies of Windows can even go into Logical
partitions. I prefer the above configuration, because it's easier
to maintain with partition management programs.

I think my Win2K disk, when I accidentally installed a second copy
of Win2K on a drive, it actually made the fourth partition an
Extended, and put a Logical in it for me. Which was a pain in
the ass to fix later.

Anyway, that's an example of a "non-interfering" way of dual booting
two copies of Win10 on the same machine. Only one copy can be running
at a time, so the license is not being "abused" by doing that. Each OS
has a unique identifier, so Microsoft can tell the difference as to
what is booted. You can then add 64-bit programs (if you want),
to your new 64-bit OS. For example, Adobe Creative Cloud, only
runs in a 64-bit OS, and a dual boot with Creative Cloud in
the second OS, might make sense.

If in Disk Management (Right click start and it is in there), you
should be able to figure out whether the disk drive is MSDOS
partitions or GPT partitioned. GPT allows a lot more partitions
to be defined, and isn't nearly as restrictive as the above
examples would suggest.

Note that, the "dual boot" software path in Win10 is slow.
I use it, and that's how I know this. It doesn't come up as
quick as having only a single copy of Windows. But still,
it can be worth doing.

By creating two OSes today like this, you can transition
from one OS to the other, at your own pace. You can spend
the whole day, moving your email profile to the new machine.
And, so on. There's no rush to solve a thousand install woes,
on the first day.

Paul

"Jonathan N. Little" wrote

| A good way to check whether you might benefit from
| 64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only
| program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you
| use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and
| decide to do something like sharpen a very big image,
| does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more
| RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that
| then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The
| 3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of
| RAM.
|
| OP already indicated that he would benefit:
| "Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)"
|

You didn't read what I wrote. He's not using all
of the RAM but the question is whether *he
needs* more RAM. Many people throw RAM into
their computers like it's a panacea. Then they
open MS Word and go back to writing papers.
If he mainly writes Word docs or does email or
browses online then it's very unlikely he'll benefit
from more RAM.

You *might* benefit from more RAM if you wait for
things. If not then it won't help. We don't know
what the OP does with his computer. That's why
I asked about things like image editing. You're
assuming he'll be better off with more RAM access.
There's no basis for that assumption. And that's
not even getting into the cost of buying a new
Windows disk and spending all that time on backup
and install.

| If the system came with that amount of RAM from the start then whoever
| installed the OS made a boo-boo.
|

Not necessarily. A 16 GB stick might be accomodated
by the board and may have been cheap. I'm running
XP-32 with 8 GB RAM. I built the box and 8 GB was
the cheapest way to buy it. I'm getting about 3.3 GB
of that. I'm not worried.

My case is a good example. I could go to all the expense
of buying Windows again and installing everything. But I
won't see any difference because I don't need that extra
RAM now. I do image editing. I write software. And I
almost never wait a discernible amount of time for anything.
You can't go faster than instant. Meanwhile, if I switched
to 64-bit I'd have to give up some things. Most notably my
custom Explorer Bar.

On 25/09/2017 13:36, Albert wrote:
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based
processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I
and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a
64 bit operating system.

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 1703
OS Build 15063.608
Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088
Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)
System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor
PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

To answer your main question: "Can I and if so how do I without losing
any data on my computer change to a 64 bit operating system.", the short
answer is that you can't because to upgrade the system from 32 bit to 64
bit requires a complete re-install of the Operating system and
therefore, your data is lost. If you are as organized as I am then best
thing is to start making a list of all your applications and their
serial numbers and also start looking for the CDs for the applications
you are already using so that you can easily wipe the disk clean and
reinstall all the applications you are currently using. It might be
that you might want to take this opportunity to buy latest versions of
the applications, in which case you won't need to worry about old
software packages.

Your personal data such as documents, videos, images, music downloads
etc should be backed up before doing anything. Keith Nutter can help
you do this as he is expert in these things.

--
With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

"Mayayana" wrote

| You *might* benefit from more RAM if you wait for
| things.

I should have explained that *might*. I find that
many people I help end up with slow computers from
various causes. Bloat. Anti-virus. Too many windows
open. General file corruption.Then there are various,
less well known causes. TEMP files. Too many junk
services running. Windows Update run amock.... One
of the worst culprits in Win9x and XP (I don't know if
it's still a problem) is a big IE cache. It can slow the
system to a crawl. Apparently the Explorer/IE link
would cause Explorer to parse that cache when doing
Desktop operations.

When people start dealing with a molasses system
they start looking for solutions. More often than not
they're told to add RAM. Usually that's not the problem.

Mayayana wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote

| A good way to check whether you might benefit from
| 64-bit (assuming you don't need to install a 64-bit-only
| program) would be to look at your usage lags: Do you
| use an image editor? If so, when you edit photos and
| decide to do something like sharpen a very big image,
| does it take a few seconds? If so, then 64-bit with more
| RAM should help. If you don't have problems like that
| then switching to 64-bit will likely have no effect. The
| 3+ GB of RAM available on 32-bit are still *a lot* of
| RAM.
|
| OP already indicated that he would benefit:
| "Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)"
|

You didn't read what I wrote. He's not using all
of the RAM but the question is whether *he
needs* more RAM. Many people throw RAM into
their computers like it's a panacea. Then they
open MS Word and go back to writing papers.
If he mainly writes Word docs or does email or
browses online then it's very unlikely he'll benefit
from more RAM.

You *might* benefit from more RAM if you wait for
things. If not then it won't help. We don't know
what the OP does with his computer. That's why
I asked about things like image editing. You're
assuming he'll be better off with more RAM access.
There's no basis for that assumption. And that's
not even getting into the cost of buying a new
Windows disk and spending all that time on backup
and install.

| If the system came with that amount of RAM from the start then whoever
| installed the OS made a boo-boo.
|

Not necessarily. A 16 GB stick might be accomodated
by the board and may have been cheap. I'm running
XP-32 with 8 GB RAM. I built the box and 8 GB was
the cheapest way to buy it. I'm getting about 3.3 GB
of that. I'm not worried.


Possible, but mostly absurd. If OP only does a bit of word processing then

1) he was sold the wrong computer, a lower spec machine would suit and
definitely be less expensive.

2) 16GB? No way 8GB sticks less expensive than 4GB or 2GB...

3) Now with old hardware and old type of RAM are more expensive...take a
look at price of EDO...but then why the hell would you put XP on new
hardware? Go with the 8GB or 16GB and run XP in VM.


My case is a good example. I could go to all the expense
of buying Windows again and installing everything. But I
won't see any difference because I don't need that extra
RAM now. I do image editing. I write software. And I
almost never wait a discernible amount of time for anything.
You can't go faster than instant. Meanwhile, if I switched
to 64-bit I'd have to give up some things. Most notably my
custom Explorer Bar.




"custom Explorer Bar"?

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 25/09/2017 17:28, KenW wrote:
Can't teach an old dog new tricks !


KenW

Best thing is to humanly euthanize them.


--
With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

Paul wrote in news
Albert wrote:
I have Windows 10 Home with a 32-bit operating system, x64-based
processor and I would like to go to a 64-bit operating system. Can I
and if so how do I without losing any data on my computer change to a
64 bit operating system.

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 1703
OS Build 15063.608
Product ID 00326-10000-00000-AA088
Processor Intel (R) Core (TM) i17-479K CPU @ 4.00 Hz 4.00 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (2.69 GB usable)
System type 32-bit operating system, x 64-based processor
PN and touch No pen or touch input is available for this
display

You can get the media necessary for free.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO

Windows 10 Creator Update
Windows 10

English (or whatever)

64-bit download (contains Pro and Home on the same ISO)

There is a 32-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it.
There is a 64-bit DVD with Home and Pro on it.

You would want the latter one.

*******

Let's say you have a hard drive, and it has space on it.
Perhaps you used MSDOS partitioning.

+-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | Win10_32 C: | recovery | unallocated |
+-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+

You can boot the computer with the new DVD you downloaded above,
the 64-bit one. You can select Custom when installing, then use the
interface there to *add* a partition. You could install Win10_64
separately, like this. While the OS is installing, the lettering
of the partitions looks like this.

Primary Primary Primary Primary
+-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+
| MBR | System Reserved | Win10_32 D: | recovery | Win10_64 C: |
+-----+------------------+--------------+------------+----------------+
* Boot Flag

The boot menu is stored in System Reserved. It
offers two OSes, and you can choose at boot time, whether the old
(useful) 32-bit boots, or the now-empty 64-bit one boots.

They can both use the same license key. The OS should really activate
all by itself, without help. when it asks for license key, you can
"skip" and click activate later.

An MSDOS partitioned disk, supports four Primary partitions,
or three Primary plus an Extended with multiple logical partitions
in it. Secondary copies of Windows can even go into Logical
partitions. I prefer the above configuration, because it's easier
to maintain with partition management programs.

I think my Win2K disk, when I accidentally installed a second copy
of Win2K on a drive, it actually made the fourth partition an
Extended, and put a Logical in it for me. Which was a pain in
the ass to fix later.

Anyway, that's an example of a "non-interfering" way of dual booting
two copies of Win10 on the same machine. Only one copy can be running
at a time, so the license is not being "abused" by doing that. Each OS
has a unique identifier, so Microsoft can tell the difference as to
what is booted. You can then add 64-bit programs (if you want),
to your new 64-bit OS. For example, Adobe Creative Cloud, only
runs in a 64-bit OS, and a dual boot with Creative Cloud in
the second OS, might make sense.

If in Disk Management (Right click start and it is in there), you
should be able to figure out whether the disk drive is MSDOS
partitions or GPT partitioned. GPT allows a lot more partitions
to be defined, and isn't nearly as restrictive as the above
examples would suggest.

Note that, the "dual boot" software path in Win10 is slow.
I use it, and that's how I know this. It doesn't come up as
quick as having only a single copy of Windows. But still,
it can be worth doing.

By creating two OSes today like this, you can transition
from one OS to the other, at your own pace. You can spend
the whole day, moving your email profile to the new machine.
And, so on. There's no rush to solve a thousand install woes,
on the first day.

Paul

In the past, I have had problems with having two versions of Windows on
the same drive and multi-booting. Have they fixed that problem, or is it
still a good idea to keep each version on a separate drive?

And while I am writing, remember that even if you have a 64bit OS
installed, when you go to run a 32bit program, you will still run into
the 4GB memory limitation. Just something to keep in mind.

When I built this PC a couple of years ago, I decided that it was
probably going to be my last PC*, and since I had the money at the time I
put 24GB of RAM in it. I do some video editing and video transcoding, and
even when I have a couple of transcodes going at once, I have still never
used more than four or five of those twentyfour gigabytes. As far as I'm
concerned, that just means I can run more VMs at the same time with a
decent chunk of RAM set aside for each one.

*Between my age, my medical condition, and my family history, it is
likely that the Grim Reaper or Alzheimer's will get me before I outgrow
this system.

"Jonathan N. Little" wrote

| If OP only does a bit of word processing then
|
| 1) he was sold the wrong computer, a lower spec machine would suit and
| definitely be less expensive.
|
Maybe. We don't know the scenario. We don't
know how he got his computer. Last time I
looked in BestBuy (not very recent) their cheapest
model was a Compaq for under $400 with 16 GB RAM.
Again, you're making assumptions. I see what you mean
about maybe not needing an i7, but we really don't
know anything about how he uses his computer or
how he got it.

| 2) 16GB? No way 8GB sticks less expensive than 4GB or 2GB...
|

I don't remember the details. It was 8 GB of
Kingston in late 2015 for $46. They may not
have had 4 GB sticks for sale. Or they may have
been similar price. If 4 GB had made sense I would
have bought it, as I had (and have) no plan to
move to 64-bit anytime soon.
I have 64-bit Win7 that I use occasionally for
things like audio or video editing. Other than that
I don't need it. It was given to me.

| 3) Now with old hardware and old type of RAM are more expensive...take a
| look at price of EDO...but then why the hell would you put XP on new
| hardware? Go with the 8GB or 16GB and run XP in VM.
|

I use XP because it does what
I need and gets out of the way. It's also not
spyware. I can't say any of those things for
Win7/10. They might be able to do what I need,
but only with some hassles. They *don't* get
out of the way. They are spyware. Though I
regard Win7 as salvageable and would use it
if necessary.

You would have me buy a Win10 machine and
run XP in a VM on that? Why? To my mind the
VM craze is based on ninny-headed thinking. So
many people are running VMs. I doubt most
of them are necessary or even useful.
Wasn't it you who said the OP had a machine
too powerful? What could be a better indication
of wasted resources than installing a bloatware
OS and then running another OS inside it?

Basically, I have a computer that does what
I want and need. Things happen instantly. It
doesn't argue with me. It doesn't pop up messages
saying I don't have a right to open my files. It
doesn't call home.
Some people think an older computer is a security
risk. That's as much a partial truth as "RAM makes
things fast".


| Meanwhile, if I switched
| to 64-bit I'd have to give up some things. Most notably my
| custom Explorer Bar.
|

| "custom Explorer Bar"?
|

I wrote an Explorer Bar to provide a number of
conveniences. The left side of folder windows has
lots of possibilities but it's mostly wasted unless
one prefers having a file system treeview on the
left. In Win9x/2000 it was highly customizable. Inspired
by that, I wanted to bring back that functionality
in XP/7. But my bar, like the DLLs I've written and
use, is 32-bit.

http://www.jsware.net/jsware/jsfv.php5