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  #16  
Old July 2nd 18, 05:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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VanguardLH wrote in :

KenK wrote:

Using XP Home.

I have an isolated eMachine and it performs well in normal use -
Googling, writing letters, email, news groups, etc. with 2 G RAM. I
have a Compac Presario 5000 with XP Home and 3/4G ram. Very slow.
Think upping RAM to 2 G would be worth the money? Both use the same
DSL feed.


Yes, but that means you are loading LOTS of programs into memory to
eat up the memory. Adding more memory just means you're likely to do
the same thing: load too many programs on Windows startup or login.

Does the manual stipulate what is the maximum system memory that the
motherboard will support?


Looked but nothing listed. Only says you can increase the RAM.

You might like to install 2 GB of RAM but
it appears you are stuck with just the 1 GB that came in the pre-built
PC.

http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compat...-Compaq/presar
io-5000-series-model-5430us "Maximum memory: 1 GB"
"Slots: 2"

eMachine Celeron 2.95 GHz
Compaq Pentium 1500 MHz 3 pc-133 RAM slots

That PC's RAM is already maxed out.

Use msconfig.exe or SysInternals' AutoRuns to see what all you are
loading on Windows startup or when you login. Disable (for now, don't
delete, just disable) all the non-critical software you installed that
starts on Windows load or login. Then check the behavior of your
computer. If it is now fast then you need to reconsider if you really
must have all those startup programs.




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  #17  
Old July 2nd 18, 05:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
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In message , KenK
writes:

Using XP Home.

I have an isolated eMachine and it performs well in normal use -
Googling, writing letters, email, news groups, etc. with 2 G RAM. I
have a Compac Presario 5000 with XP Home and 3/4G ram. Very slow.
Think upping RAM to 2 G would be worth the money? Both use the same
DSL feed.

Guesses?

TIA

My first reaction would be a resounding Yes. Having read the other
followups, I'll still say a _qualified_ Yes:

o check it _can_ take more RAM. (Probably can - 3/4 seems an odd
limit.)


Can't recall how much it came with. I think 512MB

o if it's an old processor, it won't _fly_


eMachine Celeron 2.95 GHz
Compaq Pentium 1500 MHz

- but still faster
than disk. o Check with Task Manager whether you're using more than -
or even close to (since it may miss some short peaks) - the amount of
RAM actually fitted. If, though I think it unlikely, you're _not_
using all the RAM that's already there, then adding more won't have
any effect. (When I got my XP machine, with 1G, I bought a 2G stick as
I'd been led to believe XP was likely to need that - and then didn't
fit it for a while; when I did, I noticed little difference, because
I'd rarely been using 800M anyway. But due to bloat - mainly of
webpages - by the time the XP machine died a few months ago, I _was_
exceeding the 2G not infrequently.)




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  #18  
Old July 2nd 18, 05:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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VanguardLH wrote in :

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

KenK WROTE:

Using XP Home.

I have an isolated eMachine and it performs well in normal use -
Googling, writing letters, email, news groups, etc. with 2 G RAM. I
have a Compac Presario 5000 with XP Home and 3/4G ram. Very slow.
Think upping RAM to 2 G would be worth the money? Both use the same
DSL feed.


My first reaction would be a resounding Yes. Having read the other
followups, I'll still say a _qualified_ Yes:

o check it _can_ take more RAM. (Probably can - 3/4 seems an odd

limit.)

We don't know where he is getting the information on memory capacity.
The OS will reserve some so maybe he is reporting how much user-mode
memory is available. Something simple would be to run msinfo32.exe and
remarking what it says is "Installed Physical Memory" in the "System
Summary" root tree node.

I couldn't find system specifications on that model (plus it seems the
"5000" family has prepended qualifiers on the model number, so not sure
what the OP has). Crucial said the "Compaq Presario 5000" can take a
maximum of 1 GB of system RAM. Yep, just 1 GB. Trying to use bigger
than 512 MB modules in the two RAM slots would be fruitless as they
won't support larger memory sticks. But that was for the "Compaq
Presario 5000 Series Model 5423US". We don't know what the OP has.



eMachine Celeron 2.95 GHz
Compaq Pentium 1500 MHz


o if it's an old processor, it won't _fly_ - but still faster than

disk.

Adding an SSD to Windows XP has its own problems but there are
workarounds. More memory (doesn't look possible), reducing the startup
programs count (to reduce memory use by unimportant processes), and a
faster drive would all help but, yeah, the CPU is still going to be a
bottle neck.

Overclocking might be possible (I'd have to see what were the BIOS
settings) but that rarely provides any significant speed boost. Frame
rates in video games might get higher and benchmarks look better but
actual result is dismal compared to overheating (even with more

cooling)
the CPU which shortens its lifespan.

Looks like OP has a Celeron 566 MHz Socket 370. There are faster

socket
370 Celerons (633 MHz, 800 MHz, 1.1 GHz) but if his mobo's BIOS doesn't
support the necessary clock frequency and multipliers then going to a
higher speed Celeron socket 370 is not an option. I'd have to research
the wattage of each to determine if more than the stock heatsink + fan
for the 566 MHz chip is needed for the higher speed Celerons.




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  #19  
Old July 2nd 18, 05:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Paul wrote in news
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
o check it _can_ take more RAM. (Probably can - 3/4 seems an odd
limit.)

We don't know where he is getting the information on memory
capacity. The OS will reserve some so maybe he is reporting how much
user-mode memory is available. Something simple would be to run
msinfo32.exe and remarking what it says is "Installed Physical
Memory" in the "System Summary" root tree node.


True. I was guessing maybe he has a 512M and a 256M stick, so I'd
assumed it should take at least 1G (as 2 512Ms). But you might be
right and he's going by what's reported rather than what's installed.


I'm thinking it's a different motherboard,
an older one, and the install is 3x256MB and they're
PC133 SDRAM.


Yes to both.


It's probably not the one I picked as an example
from the Crucial page. That's a more modern standard
than PC133.

I picked that one mainly, as a contrast to the
expected configuration of 3x256MB. And to suggest the
5000 series spanned a few years.

Both systems (a 3x256 and a 2x512) are single channel,
so there's no issue with mismatched RAM as such.

If you use CPUZ, it shows the SPD information
for each populated slot, so you can see
what is physically plugged into the slots
(without attempting to use DMIDecode).
All the OSes have MAXMEM, so you can trim
down the reported free RAM for experimental
purposes. (Especially useful in the Win98 era.)
By using CPUZ, you can see what's actually
installed, without opening the cover.

Paul




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  #20  
Old July 2nd 18, 05:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Shadow wrote in
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On 28 Jun 2018 18:20:00 GMT, KenK wrote:


Using XP Home.

I have an isolated eMachine and it performs well in normal use -
Googling, writing letters, email, news groups, etc. with 2 G RAM. I
have a Compac Presario 5000 with XP Home and 3/4G ram. Very slow.
Think upping RAM to 2 G would be worth the money? Both use the same
DSL feed.

Guesses?


CPU ?


eMachine Celeron 2.95 GHz
Compaq Pentium 1500 MHz

I was quite happy with a Sempron 754 3000+/1GB RAM/XP Pro
until the MB fried a few months ago.
The only thing that bothered me was video conversion.
Painfully slow.
My new board isn't much faster (Windows loads a few seconds
faster, ditto for browser etc). Though it's a multi-core with 4GB RAM.
Try defragging, cleaning useless files, removing un-needed
startups and if it's still slow, probably not a RAM issue. 750MB is
adequate.
IMHO
[]'s




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  #21  
Old July 2nd 18, 09:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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KenK wrote:
Shadow wrote in
:

On 28 Jun 2018 18:20:00 GMT, KenK wrote:

Using XP Home.

I have an isolated eMachine and it performs well in normal use -
Googling, writing letters, email, news groups, etc. with 2 G RAM. I
have a Compac Presario 5000 with XP Home and 3/4G ram. Very slow.
Think upping RAM to 2 G would be worth the money? Both use the same
DSL feed.

Guesses?

CPU ?


eMachine Celeron 2.95 GHz
Compaq Pentium 1500 MHz


I glued the keywords given so far into a search.
Unless I get a model number, this kind of guessing
is all I can do.

"Compaq presario 5000 Pentium 1500 MHz"

http://www.techie7.com/threads/60653/

"Sir i have an compaq 5000 series 5610AP pc
with intel p4 1.5 , Chipset INTEL 845 and i want
to upgrade the RAM and Graphic card
"

Apparently back in the year that thread was created,
Crucial still had an entry for 5610AP. The claim is,
it supports 3x1024MB PC133. Which is pretty hard to believe.
The chipset is 845, which I can look up and verify
if such a thing is possible. Back in the day, Intel
made two 845 products. An older product supported
PC133, so you could reuse your old RAM. A newer product
supported DDR266, with more or less the same results.
7ZIP would likely run faster on the latter one.

( original link was http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/290725.pdf )

https://web.archive.org/web/20090220...eet/290725.pdf

Page 109

The MCH includes support for:
* Up to 3 GB of 133 MHz SDR SDRAM
* PC133 unbuffered 168 pin SDR
* Maximum of 3 DIMMs, single-sided
* Configurable optional ECC

I have a machine of that description, using an Asus P4B
motherboard. It's no longer listed on the Crucial site
either, which basically means Crucial has stopped
selling SDRAM. Not a surprise.

The biggest RAM I could buy at the time, was 512MB.
I don't think I saw any 1024MB modules that looked
compatible. The ones I bought were terrible (material
science problem inside the chips).

Here's an example of what it might look like.

"Mushkin Enhanced Essentials 512MB 168-Pin SDRAM PC 133 Desktop Memory Model 990703" $18.47

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIAE9A7DB6580

You'd have to refine that to find a seller close to you.
I don't know whether Mushkin changed hands, or it's still
under the original ownership.

That's the kind of configuration in my P4B. I was
set up with a P4 1.8GHz processor, likely FSB400,
with three slots of 512MB PC133 CAS3 RAM (3-3-3-8).
I don't think I could find CAS2 at the time. The
difference between CAS2 and CAS3, might amount to
the memory bus doing 350MB/sec instead of 300MB/sec.
The 256MB SDRAM in my earlier computer were CAS2.
I don't think I saw any CAS2 at 512MB.

There were faster processors than that. The socket
types back then were S423 and S478. (With names
like Willamette and Northwood.) I don't know
if Intel has the necessary information online any more
for shopping purposes or not.

There was even an adapter socket, for converting
S478 to S423. But judging by the comments in the comment
section, this *only* works if the family is the one
intended for the system. So maybe a S478 Willamette
would work in a S423 Willamette socket.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/Soc...PGA423%29.html

The limitation on that system continues to be the
RAM bus speed. FSB400 transferring 8 bytes per cycle,
is 3.2GB/sec theoretical. But tied to an SDRAM
350MB/sec best case memory bus, the FSB doesn't
get pushed all that hard. The RAM is pretty slow.
I remember back when I bought the P4B and happened
to mention it, people would say "why did you buy *that*".
Pretty funny at the time.

Paul
  #22  
Old July 2nd 18, 10:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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KenK wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

KenK wrote:

Using XP Home.

I have an isolated eMachine and it performs well in normal use -
Googling, writing letters, email, news groups, etc. with 2 G RAM. I
have a Compac Presario 5000 with XP Home and 3/4G ram. Very slow.
Think upping RAM to 2 G would be worth the money? Both use the same
DSL feed.


Yes, but that means you are loading LOTS of programs into memory to
eat up the memory. Adding more memory just means you're likely to do
the same thing: load too many programs on Windows startup or login.

Does the manual stipulate what is the maximum system memory that the
motherboard will support?


Looked but nothing listed. Only says you can increase the RAM.

You might like to install 2 GB of RAM but
it appears you are stuck with just the 1 GB that came in the pre-built
PC.

http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compat...-Compaq/presar
io-5000-series-model-5430us "Maximum memory: 1 GB"
"Slots: 2"

eMachine Celeron 2.95 GHz
Compaq Pentium 1500 MHz 3 pc-133 RAM slots


If it has 3 memory slots (which is what I presume the "3" meant above)
then the oddball size of 3/4 GB for system RAM is likely due to
populating with 256 MB modules in each of the three memory slots.

Would still need to know the model number to find out what is the
maximum memory that the slots can handle along with total memory usable
across all 3 slots (sometimes those are not the same due to a limiting
factor in the current load across all the slots).

Is there a sticker on the case, maybe on the backpanel, identifying the
brand (not the reseller which is eMachine) and model of that computer?
Is the model number just "5000"? eMachine made their own computers
until acquired by Gateway who was acquire by Acer who then use
"eMachines" as their own brand. Compaq was acquired by HP but
discontinued the Compaq brand in 2013. Presario is a family line of
models. I thought it was the Compaq Presario where you want to up the
system RAM, not the Acer/eMachine computer. If you cannot find a model
number more focused than just "5000", does the sticker have a part
number?

Some Presario 5000 models allow a maximum memory module size of only 128
MB per slot. Some allow a max module size of 256 MB: they come with 2
slots filled, so 256 MB x 2 = 512 MB total. There might be an
order-time option of filling the 3rd slot (i.e., there is a 256 MB
upgrade option), so 256 MB x 3 = 768 MB total.

If the sticker doesn't provide any specific information of what you
actually have, or it has been damaged to be unreadable, you could try
Crucial's scanner to see if it can figure out what you have.
Alternatively, you could use CPU-Z, Piriform's Speecy, or Belarc Advisor
to get info about what motherboard (aka mainboard) you have.
  #23  
Old July 6th 18, 06:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote:
Shadow wrote in
:

On 28 Jun 2018 18:20:00 GMT, KenK wrote:

Using XP Home.

I have an isolated eMachine and it performs well in normal use -
Googling, writing letters, email, news groups, etc. with 2 G RAM. I
have a Compac Presario 5000 with XP Home and 3/4G ram. Very slow.
Think upping RAM to 2 G would be worth the money? Both use the same
DSL feed.

Guesses?
CPU ?


eMachine Celeron 2.95 GHz
Compaq Pentium 1500 MHz


I glued the keywords given so far into a search.
Unless I get a model number, this kind of guessing
is all I can do.

"Compaq presario 5000 Pentium 1500 MHz"

http://www.techie7.com/threads/60653/

"Sir i have an compaq 5000 series 5610AP pc
with intel p4 1.5 , Chipset INTEL 845 and i want
to upgrade the RAM and Graphic card
"

Apparently back in the year that thread was created,
Crucial still had an entry for 5610AP. The claim is,
it supports 3x1024MB PC133. Which is pretty hard to believe.
The chipset is 845, which I can look up and verify
if such a thing is possible. Back in the day, Intel
made two 845 products. An older product supported
PC133, so you could reuse your old RAM. A newer product
supported DDR266, with more or less the same results.
7ZIP would likely run faster on the latter one.

( original link was
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/290725.pdf )

https://web.archive.org/web/20090220...el.com/Assets/
PDF/datasheet/290725.pdf

Page 109

The MCH includes support for:
* Up to 3 GB of 133 MHz SDR SDRAM
* PC133 unbuffered 168 pin SDR
* Maximum of 3 DIMMs, single-sided
* Configurable optional ECC

I have a machine of that description, using an Asus P4B
motherboard. It's no longer listed on the Crucial site
either, which basically means Crucial has stopped
selling SDRAM. Not a surprise.

The biggest RAM I could buy at the time, was 512MB.
I don't think I saw any 1024MB modules that looked
compatible. The ones I bought were terrible (material
science problem inside the chips).

Here's an example of what it might look like.

"Mushkin Enhanced Essentials 512MB 168-Pin SDRAM PC 133 Desktop Memory
Model 990703" $18.47

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIAE9A7DB6580

You'd have to refine that to find a seller close to you.
I don't know whether Mushkin changed hands, or it's still
under the original ownership.

That's the kind of configuration in my P4B. I was
set up with a P4 1.8GHz processor, likely FSB400,
with three slots of 512MB PC133 CAS3 RAM (3-3-3-8).
I don't think I could find CAS2 at the time. The
difference between CAS2 and CAS3, might amount to
the memory bus doing 350MB/sec instead of 300MB/sec.
The 256MB SDRAM in my earlier computer were CAS2.
I don't think I saw any CAS2 at 512MB.

There were faster processors than that. The socket
types back then were S423 and S478. (With names
like Willamette and Northwood.) I don't know
if Intel has the necessary information online any more
for shopping purposes or not.

There was even an adapter socket, for converting
S478 to S423. But judging by the comments in the comment
section, this *only* works if the family is the one
intended for the system. So maybe a S478 Willamette
would work in a S423 Willamette socket.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/Soc...PGA423%29.html

The limitation on that system continues to be the
RAM bus speed. FSB400 transferring 8 bytes per cycle,
is 3.2GB/sec theoretical. But tied to an SDRAM
350MB/sec best case memory bus, the FSB doesn't
get pushed all that hard. The RAM is pretty slow.
I remember back when I bought the P4B and happened
to mention it, people would say "why did you buy *that*".
Pretty funny at the time.

Paul


Here;a a couple if items I found on the back of the Presario; Hope they
hekp ID it.

2B564001REVB1

28567001REVD1

Series Pup116p

Foxconn 060-0003-192

Probably not much help.


The sales slip for the computer says:


Presario 5000Y Intel 470563

Number probably serial number

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  #24  
Old July 6th 18, 08:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Shadow
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On 6 Jul 2018 17:52:09 GMT, KenK wrote:

Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote:
Shadow wrote in
:

On 28 Jun 2018 18:20:00 GMT, KenK wrote:

Using XP Home.

I have an isolated eMachine and it performs well in normal use -
Googling, writing letters, email, news groups, etc. with 2 G RAM. I
have a Compac Presario 5000 with XP Home and 3/4G ram. Very slow.
Think upping RAM to 2 G would be worth the money? Both use the same
DSL feed.

Guesses?
CPU ?

eMachine Celeron 2.95 GHz
Compaq Pentium 1500 MHz


I glued the keywords given so far into a search.
Unless I get a model number, this kind of guessing
is all I can do.

"Compaq presario 5000 Pentium 1500 MHz"

http://www.techie7.com/threads/60653/

"Sir i have an compaq 5000 series 5610AP pc
with intel p4 1.5 , Chipset INTEL 845 and i want
to upgrade the RAM and Graphic card
"

Apparently back in the year that thread was created,
Crucial still had an entry for 5610AP. The claim is,
it supports 3x1024MB PC133. Which is pretty hard to believe.
The chipset is 845, which I can look up and verify
if such a thing is possible. Back in the day, Intel
made two 845 products. An older product supported
PC133, so you could reuse your old RAM. A newer product
supported DDR266, with more or less the same results.
7ZIP would likely run faster on the latter one.

( original link was
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/290725.pdf )

https://web.archive.org/web/20090220...el.com/Assets/
PDF/datasheet/290725.pdf

Page 109

The MCH includes support for:
* Up to 3 GB of 133 MHz SDR SDRAM
* PC133 unbuffered 168 pin SDR
* Maximum of 3 DIMMs, single-sided
* Configurable optional ECC

I have a machine of that description, using an Asus P4B
motherboard. It's no longer listed on the Crucial site
either, which basically means Crucial has stopped
selling SDRAM. Not a surprise.

The biggest RAM I could buy at the time, was 512MB.
I don't think I saw any 1024MB modules that looked
compatible. The ones I bought were terrible (material
science problem inside the chips).

Here's an example of what it might look like.

"Mushkin Enhanced Essentials 512MB 168-Pin SDRAM PC 133 Desktop Memory
Model 990703" $18.47

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIAE9A7DB6580

You'd have to refine that to find a seller close to you.
I don't know whether Mushkin changed hands, or it's still
under the original ownership.

That's the kind of configuration in my P4B. I was
set up with a P4 1.8GHz processor, likely FSB400,
with three slots of 512MB PC133 CAS3 RAM (3-3-3-8).
I don't think I could find CAS2 at the time. The
difference between CAS2 and CAS3, might amount to
the memory bus doing 350MB/sec instead of 300MB/sec.
The 256MB SDRAM in my earlier computer were CAS2.
I don't think I saw any CAS2 at 512MB.

There were faster processors than that. The socket
types back then were S423 and S478. (With names
like Willamette and Northwood.) I don't know
if Intel has the necessary information online any more
for shopping purposes or not.

There was even an adapter socket, for converting
S478 to S423. But judging by the comments in the comment
section, this *only* works if the family is the one
intended for the system. So maybe a S478 Willamette
would work in a S423 Willamette socket.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/Soc...PGA423%29.html

The limitation on that system continues to be the
RAM bus speed. FSB400 transferring 8 bytes per cycle,
is 3.2GB/sec theoretical. But tied to an SDRAM
350MB/sec best case memory bus, the FSB doesn't
get pushed all that hard. The RAM is pretty slow.
I remember back when I bought the P4B and happened
to mention it, people would say "why did you buy *that*".
Pretty funny at the time.

Paul


Here;a a couple if items I found on the back of the Presario; Hope they
hekp ID it.

2B564001REVB1

28567001REVD1

Series Pup116p

Foxconn 060-0003-192

Probably not much help.


The sales slip for the computer says:


Presario 5000Y Intel 470563

Number probably serial number


CPU-Z will give you the CPU and motherboard .....

https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
[]'s
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Old July 7th 18, 12:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , KenK
writes:
[PLEASE, folks - snip a bit!]
Here;a a couple if items I found on the back of the Presario; Hope they
hekp ID it.

[]
HAVE you yet been into Task Manager ("Performance" tab, memory graph),
to see if you _are_ using more than - or getting close to - the Physical
Memory? (On the machine in question, of course.)
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