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What is the oldest version of Firefox that willl load new websites?
I'm running XP Pro SP3 on an older laptop T43 Lenovo.
I upgraded from Firefox 28 or 29 (something like that), to Firefox 47. This new FF is not working well. It seems like it gets saturated after it's used for a half hour or so. (Depends a lot of the type of website I am running). Then FF tends to just freezeup. Often times it will just hang for 5 or 10 minutes. Other times it is permanently frozen so i have to do a 3 finger salute to close it. To fix it, I have to close FF, then clear the FF cache, and close it once more. Than it works for another half hour or so before doing this **** again. I stick with FF because I use the video download addons more than anything else. To view Youtube videos, I have to go to a public WIFI at the library or a restaurant. It's no fun watching them in those places because I cant play the sound. So I just download them and watch them later when I am home. Otherwise Id try other browsers, even though there dont seem to be many choices Since Windows Explorer is way outdated, and I refuse to use Chrome at let Google track me. Anyhow, I want to downgrade FF as much as possible and still be able to use current websites. |
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wrote: I'm running XP Pro SP3 on an older laptop T43 Lenovo. I upgraded from Firefox 28 or 29 (something like that), to Firefox 47. This new FF is not working well. It seems like it gets saturated after it's used for a half hour or so. (Depends a lot of the type of website I am running). Then FF tends to just freezeup. Often times it will just hang for 5 or 10 minutes. Other times it is permanently frozen so i have to do a 3 finger salute to close it. To fix it, I have to close FF, then clear the FF cache, and close it once more. Than it works for another half hour or so before doing this **** again. I stick with FF because I use the video download addons more than anything else. To view Youtube videos, I have to go to a public WIFI at the library or a restaurant. It's no fun watching them in those places because I cant play the sound. So I just download them and watch them later when I am home. Otherwise Id try other browsers, even though there dont seem to be many choices Since Windows Explorer is way outdated, and I refuse to use Chrome at let Google track me. Anyhow, I want to downgrade FF as much as possible and still be able to use current websites. That's pretty well pointless now. You get the most benefit out of FF 52.9 ESR. Support has stopped for it. It's the last one that supports the old plugins. Grabbing a copy of 47 and using that, is just delaying the inevitable. In a short time, something will happen to take you to 52.9ESR. And after that, that'll be it. It'll be rubbish browsers after that. Stuff with tricks. Stuff that does things, that specifically violate the P.R. material presented for the product. Like "protects your privacy" when it's just as much of a pig as your previous browser was. Or a browser that "stops adverts"... because it wants to present it's own set of canned adverts instead. That's the kind of forthright moral individuals we deal with now. And waiting this long to upgrade hardware, causes other issues. They've stripped out a generation of cards now. Nothing has VGA any more (you can get VGA using adapters). But for older machines, machines with AGP, there's nothing to upgrade those. There are very few native AGP cards (maybe a 6200 is as close as you'd get). And the bridge chips have been out of production for 8-10 years. In some cases, a browser relies on video card acceleration for silly stuff (font rendering). When the CPU was perfectly suited. Or, browsers like Firefox use "compositing", and not all WinXP machine video cards are ideal for this. If I had a year 2002 machine with a 4MB or 8MB Millenium 200 or something, there's no way for one of those to "composite". Not enough video RAM. Missing functions. You need more modern video cards to provide the "boost" the browser expects. When the video card doesn't have what it takes, the CPU does it all. When the CPU does it all, and the CPU has one core, well, guess what happens ? Snore. In short, any attempt to browse with WinXP, is a waste of time and money. Now, if you have other functions you use in WinXP (say, Outlook Express), you can always run WinXP as a virtual machine. Buy a copy of Windows 7 and run WinXP Mode for example. But browsing is really hard to do well now, on old hardware. The software is de-optimized on purpose for old hardware. The developers have stopped caring. The average developer today, has a 20-core CPU in their developer machine. With 32 or 64GB of RAM. They don't think there is anything wrong with the software they write, because they're driving a "monster truck". If you gave each one of them a Pentium 4 to develop on, the product would be entirely different (and more efficient). Paul Just an anecdote. You can still install and run Outlook Express on Windows 7 if you get that special version OEx or use the Outlook Express Classic (clone), as noted before in one of my posts. For Windows XP, I agree that the time may come that we'll either have to be using FF 52.9 ESR (or close to that version) for some sites (I already had that issue on one site), or forego FF and go to Chrome, until even that won't work on some sites in the future. But the OP could test out FF 52.9 to see if it *might* work better than his current version, (preferably using an image backup to restore a previous version, if necessary). |
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Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote: wrote: I'm running XP Pro SP3 on an older laptop T43 Lenovo. I upgraded from Firefox 28 or 29 (something like that), to Firefox 47. This new FF is not working well. It seems like it gets saturated after it's used for a half hour or so. (Depends a lot of the type of website I am running). Then FF tends to just freezeup. Often times it will just hang for 5 or 10 minutes. Other times it is permanently frozen so i have to do a 3 finger salute to close it. To fix it, I have to close FF, then clear the FF cache, and close it once more. Than it works for another half hour or so before doing this **** again. I stick with FF because I use the video download addons more than anything else. To view Youtube videos, I have to go to a public WIFI at the library or a restaurant. It's no fun watching them in those places because I cant play the sound. So I just download them and watch them later when I am home. Otherwise Id try other browsers, even though there dont seem to be many choices Since Windows Explorer is way outdated, and I refuse to use Chrome at let Google track me. Anyhow, I want to downgrade FF as much as possible and still be able to use current websites. That's pretty well pointless now. You get the most benefit out of FF 52.9 ESR. Support has stopped for it. It's the last one that supports the old plugins. Grabbing a copy of 47 and using that, is just delaying the inevitable. In a short time, something will happen to take you to 52.9ESR. And after that, that'll be it. It'll be rubbish browsers after that. Stuff with tricks. Stuff that does things, that specifically violate the P.R. material presented for the product. Like "protects your privacy" when it's just as much of a pig as your previous browser was. Or a browser that "stops adverts"... because it wants to present it's own set of canned adverts instead. That's the kind of forthright moral individuals we deal with now. And waiting this long to upgrade hardware, causes other issues. They've stripped out a generation of cards now. Nothing has VGA any more (you can get VGA using adapters). But for older machines, machines with AGP, there's nothing to upgrade those. There are very few native AGP cards (maybe a 6200 is as close as you'd get). And the bridge chips have been out of production for 8-10 years. In some cases, a browser relies on video card acceleration for silly stuff (font rendering). When the CPU was perfectly suited. Or, browsers like Firefox use "compositing", and not all WinXP machine video cards are ideal for this. If I had a year 2002 machine with a 4MB or 8MB Millenium 200 or something, there's no way for one of those to "composite". Not enough video RAM. Missing functions. You need more modern video cards to provide the "boost" the browser expects. When the video card doesn't have what it takes, the CPU does it all. When the CPU does it all, and the CPU has one core, well, guess what happens ? Snore. In short, any attempt to browse with WinXP, is a waste of time and money. Now, if you have other functions you use in WinXP (say, Outlook Express), you can always run WinXP as a virtual machine. Buy a copy of Windows 7 and run WinXP Mode for example. But browsing is really hard to do well now, on old hardware. The software is de-optimized on purpose for old hardware. The developers have stopped caring. The average developer today, has a 20-core CPU in their developer machine. With 32 or 64GB of RAM. They don't think there is anything wrong with the software they write, because they're driving a "monster truck". If you gave each one of them a Pentium 4 to develop on, the product would be entirely different (and more efficient). Paul Just an anecdote. You can still install and run Outlook Express on Windows 7 if you get that special version OEx or use the Outlook Express Classic (clone), as noted before in one of my posts. For Windows XP, I agree that the time may come that we'll either have to be using FF 52.9 ESR (or close to that version) for some sites (I already had that issue on one site), or forego FF and go to Chrome, until even that won't work on some sites in the future. But the OP could test out FF 52.9 to see if it *might* work better than his current version, (preferably using an image backup to restore a previous version, if necessary). Chrome for WinXP stopped a couple of years ago. Operating system Latest version Support status Windows 7 and later 69 2009– XP and Vista 49 2008–2016 And browsers derived from the same family tree, would stop evolving around that time too. I can't get a newer version of Srware Iron. And at some point, Chrome may have gone 64-bit only. Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote: Paul wrote: wrote: I'm running XP Pro SP3 on an older laptop T43 Lenovo. I upgraded from Firefox 28 or 29 (something like that), to Firefox 47. This new FF is not working well. It seems like it gets saturated after it's used for a half hour or so. (Depends a lot of the type of website I am running). Then FF tends to just freezeup. Often times it will just hang for 5 or 10 minutes. Other times it is permanently frozen so i have to do a 3 finger salute to close it. To fix it, I have to close FF, then clear the FF cache, and close it once more. Than it works for another half hour or so before doing this **** again. I stick with FF because I use the video download addons more than anything else. To view Youtube videos, I have to go to a public WIFI at the library or a restaurant. It's no fun watching them in those places because I cant play the sound. So I just download them and watch them later when I am home. Otherwise Id try other browsers, even though there dont seem to be many choices Since Windows Explorer is way outdated, and I refuse to use Chrome at let Google track me. Anyhow, I want to downgrade FF as much as possible and still be able to use current websites. That's pretty well pointless now. You get the most benefit out of FF 52.9 ESR. Support has stopped for it. It's the last one that supports the old plugins. Grabbing a copy of 47 and using that, is just delaying the inevitable. In a short time, something will happen to take you to 52.9ESR. And after that, that'll be it. It'll be rubbish browsers after that. Stuff with tricks. Stuff that does things, that specifically violate the P.R. material presented for the product. Like "protects your privacy" when it's just as much of a pig as your previous browser was. Or a browser that "stops adverts"... because it wants to present it's own set of canned adverts instead. That's the kind of forthright moral individuals we deal with now. And waiting this long to upgrade hardware, causes other issues. They've stripped out a generation of cards now. Nothing has VGA any more (you can get VGA using adapters). But for older machines, machines with AGP, there's nothing to upgrade those. There are very few native AGP cards (maybe a 6200 is as close as you'd get). And the bridge chips have been out of production for 8-10 years. In some cases, a browser relies on video card acceleration for silly stuff (font rendering). When the CPU was perfectly suited. Or, browsers like Firefox use "compositing", and not all WinXP machine video cards are ideal for this. If I had a year 2002 machine with a 4MB or 8MB Millenium 200 or something, there's no way for one of those to "composite". Not enough video RAM. Missing functions. You need more modern video cards to provide the "boost" the browser expects. When the video card doesn't have what it takes, the CPU does it all. When the CPU does it all, and the CPU has one core, well, guess what happens ? Snore. In short, any attempt to browse with WinXP, is a waste of time and money. Now, if you have other functions you use in WinXP (say, Outlook Express), you can always run WinXP as a virtual machine. Buy a copy of Windows 7 and run WinXP Mode for example. But browsing is really hard to do well now, on old hardware. The software is de-optimized on purpose for old hardware. The developers have stopped caring. The average developer today, has a 20-core CPU in their developer machine. With 32 or 64GB of RAM. They don't think there is anything wrong with the software they write, because they're driving a "monster truck". If you gave each one of them a Pentium 4 to develop on, the product would be entirely different (and more efficient). Paul Just an anecdote. You can still install and run Outlook Express on Windows 7 if you get that special version OEx or use the Outlook Express Classic (clone), as noted before in one of my posts. For Windows XP, I agree that the time may come that we'll either have to be using FF 52.9 ESR (or close to that version) for some sites (I already had that issue on one site), or forego FF and go to Chrome, until even that won't work on some sites in the future. But the OP could test out FF 52.9 to see if it *might* work better than his current version, (preferably using an image backup to restore a previous version, if necessary). Chrome for WinXP stopped a couple of years ago. Operating system Latest version Support status Windows 7 and later 69 2009– XP and Vista 49 2008–2016 And browsers derived from the same family tree, would stop evolving around that time too. I can't get a newer version of Srware Iron. And at some point, Chrome may have gone 64-bit only. Paul Right, I neglected to mention that. But I think the latest XP version of Chrome gives us a bit more time than the latest version of Firefox, at least for some sites (that's my hunch, anyways). I actually prefer the older version of Chrome (49) on my Windows 7 laptop, so I uninstalled Chrome 68 (which someone had previously installed on it) and installed Chrome 49, so it's the same now, on all my computers. If and when the day comes that Chrome 49 fails at several sites, I'll probably have to bite the bullet and upgrade (on the Win 7 laptop). At that point we XP users may be forced to go to Windows 7, or else use an Android or Linux for web browsing. I don't think so far that time has come yet, at least with my current usage of FF 52.9 and Chrome 49.0 (now on all of my computers), but I expect it eventually will. |
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 20:12:58 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote: Paul wrote: Bill in Co wrote: Paul wrote: wrote: I'm running XP Pro SP3 on an older laptop T43 Lenovo. I upgraded from Firefox 28 or 29 (something like that), to Firefox 47. This new FF is not working well. It seems like it gets saturated after it's used for a half hour or so. (Depends a lot of the type of website I am running). Then FF tends to just freezeup. Often times it will just hang for 5 or 10 minutes. Other times it is permanently frozen so i have to do a 3 finger salute to close it. To fix it, I have to close FF, then clear the FF cache, and close it once more. Than it works for another half hour or so before doing this **** again. I stick with FF because I use the video download addons more than anything else. To view Youtube videos, I have to go to a public WIFI at the library or a restaurant. It's no fun watching them in those places because I cant play the sound. So I just download them and watch them later when I am home. Otherwise Id try other browsers, even though there dont seem to be many choices Since Windows Explorer is way outdated, and I refuse to use Chrome at let Google track me. Anyhow, I want to downgrade FF as much as possible and still be able to use current websites. That's pretty well pointless now. You get the most benefit out of FF 52.9 ESR. Support has stopped for it. It's the last one that supports the old plugins. Grabbing a copy of 47 and using that, is just delaying the inevitable. In a short time, something will happen to take you to 52.9ESR. And after that, that'll be it. It'll be rubbish browsers after that. Stuff with tricks. Stuff that does things, that specifically violate the P.R. material presented for the product. Like "protects your privacy" when it's just as much of a pig as your previous browser was. Or a browser that "stops adverts"... because it wants to present it's own set of canned adverts instead. That's the kind of forthright moral individuals we deal with now. And waiting this long to upgrade hardware, causes other issues. They've stripped out a generation of cards now. Nothing has VGA any more (you can get VGA using adapters). But for older machines, machines with AGP, there's nothing to upgrade those. There are very few native AGP cards (maybe a 6200 is as close as you'd get). And the bridge chips have been out of production for 8-10 years. In some cases, a browser relies on video card acceleration for silly stuff (font rendering). When the CPU was perfectly suited. Or, browsers like Firefox use "compositing", and not all WinXP machine video cards are ideal for this. If I had a year 2002 machine with a 4MB or 8MB Millenium 200 or something, there's no way for one of those to "composite". Not enough video RAM. Missing functions. You need more modern video cards to provide the "boost" the browser expects. When the video card doesn't have what it takes, the CPU does it all. When the CPU does it all, and the CPU has one core, well, guess what happens ? Snore. In short, any attempt to browse with WinXP, is a waste of time and money. Now, if you have other functions you use in WinXP (say, Outlook Express), you can always run WinXP as a virtual machine. Buy a copy of Windows 7 and run WinXP Mode for example. But browsing is really hard to do well now, on old hardware. The software is de-optimized on purpose for old hardware. The developers have stopped caring. The average developer today, has a 20-core CPU in their developer machine. With 32 or 64GB of RAM. They don't think there is anything wrong with the software they write, because they're driving a "monster truck". If you gave each one of them a Pentium 4 to develop on, the product would be entirely different (and more efficient). Paul Just an anecdote. You can still install and run Outlook Express on Windows 7 if you get that special version OEx or use the Outlook Express Classic (clone), as noted before in one of my posts. For Windows XP, I agree that the time may come that we'll either have to be using FF 52.9 ESR (or close to that version) for some sites (I already had that issue on one site), or forego FF and go to Chrome, until even that won't work on some sites in the future. But the OP could test out FF 52.9 to see if it *might* work better than his current version, (preferably using an image backup to restore a previous version, if necessary). Chrome for WinXP stopped a couple of years ago. Operating system Latest version Support status Windows 7 and later 69 2009– XP and Vista 49 2008–2016 And browsers derived from the same family tree, would stop evolving around that time too. I can't get a newer version of Srware Iron. And at some point, Chrome may have gone 64-bit only. Paul Right, I neglected to mention that. But I think the latest XP version of Chrome gives us a bit more time than the latest version of Firefox, at least for some sites (that's my hunch, anyways). I actually prefer the older version of Chrome (49) on my Windows 7 laptop, so I uninstalled Chrome 68 (which someone had previously installed on it) and installed Chrome 49, so it's the same now, on all my computers. If and when the day comes that Chrome 49 fails at several sites, I'll probably have to bite the bullet and upgrade (on the Win 7 laptop). At that point we XP users may be forced to go to Windows 7, or else use an Android or Linux for web browsing. I don't think so far that time has come yet, at least with my current usage of FF 52.9 and Chrome 49.0 (now on all of my computers), but I expect it eventually will. My Firefox is still cranky on Facebook and one particularly ad choked forum. Everything else seems OK. If I run those in safe mode they work. I do agree they are trying to kill XP, one app at a time but, unfortunately I still have a bunch of paid for software that does everything I want to do and I am not sure how much will work on 7 or how I would really get it all over there with the data and setup intact. I hate needing 2 PCs just to browse a few web sites. I think I will try the command line start on the cranky ones in safe mode. I have my travel laptop out here trying to get a sync going to try an older version of FF if that shows no joy. First I want to see how it acts on those sites running FF 43. I know it used to be OK. |
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In message , Bill in Co
writes: Paul wrote: [] Chrome for WinXP stopped a couple of years ago. Operating system Latest version Support status Windows 7 and later 69 2009– XP and Vista 49 2008–2016 And browsers derived from the same family tree, would stop evolving around that time too. I can't get a newer version of Srware Iron. And at some point, Chrome may have gone 64-bit only. I'm not sure what tense "at some point ... may have gone" is; Chrome is certainly still being updated for 32-bit Windows 7. (I _think_ you mean "At some point, Chrome may go 64-bit only" - right?) Paul Right, I neglected to mention that. But I think the latest XP version of Chrome gives us a bit more time than the latest version of Firefox, at least for some sites (that's my hunch, anyways). I actually prefer the older Yes, until my XP died earlier this year, I was still using the last XP-compatible version of Chrome on it, and I had no problems on the sites I used it on. [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I'd rather trust the guys in the lab coats who aren't demanding that I get up early on Sundays to apologize for being human. -- Captain Splendid (quoted by "The Real Bev" in mozilla.general, 2014-11-16) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co writes: Paul wrote: [] Chrome for WinXP stopped a couple of years ago. Operating system Latest version Support status Windows 7 and later 69 2009– XP and Vista 49 2008–2016 And browsers derived from the same family tree, would stop evolving around that time too. I can't get a newer version of Srware Iron. And at some point, Chrome may have gone 64-bit only. I'm not sure what tense "at some point ... may have gone" is; Chrome is certainly still being updated for 32-bit Windows 7. (I _think_ you mean "At some point, Chrome may go 64-bit only" - right?) Paul Right, I neglected to mention that. But I think the latest XP version of Chrome gives us a bit more time than the latest version of Firefox, at least for some sites (that's my hunch, anyways). I actually prefer the older Yes, until my XP died earlier this year, I was still using the last XP-compatible version of Chrome on it, and I had no problems on the sites I used it on. [] You're right. Chrome is still available for x86 and x64 in Windows. It might be Linux and MacOSX which are x64 only. There are two MSI files here, one x86 and one x64. These are version 69, so likely Win7+. https://enterprise.google.com/chrome/chrome-browser/ If you use WinXP and visit here, chances are you'll get 49. Of course, consumers don't need to know what version they're getting. It should remain a mystery. https://www.google.com/chrome/ Paul |
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