Must be the only person in the world who likes Windows 8.1

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:50:10 +0100, Norman wrote:

Please don't add me to kill-file, just read post by post to know who wrote
what.

No, sorry. That is *your* job, not mine.

Unlike Ken, I don't plonk (well, only very rarely), but I can ignore
stuff that I don't feel like sorting out. Especially if it seems like it
might not be worth the effort.

"Ken Blake, MVP" escreveu na mensagem
...

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:45:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

SNIP

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:09:52 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Norman wrote:
Please don't add me to kill-file, just read post by post to know who
wrote what.

"Ken Blake, MVP" escreveu na mensagem
...

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:45:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:


Please, if you are going to post here, either use a newsreader that
posts properly, *not* Windows Live Mail, or if you insist in Windows
Live Mail, go to the trouble of manually editing it to do so.

If you continue to do what you are doing, I, and many others here,
will killfile you rather than trying to deal with such
difficult-to-read messages.


You ignored what I said? That's fine. It's your choice, just as adding
you to my killfile is mine. Goodbye.

I completely understood what you and others wrote.


g Yes, I screwed up the quoting. Sorry.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:35:11 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:50:10 +0100, Norman wrote:

Please don't add me to kill-file, just read post by post to know who wrote
what.

No, sorry. That is *your* job, not mine.

Unlike Ken, I don't plonk (well, only very rarely), but I can ignore
stuff that I don't feel like sorting out. Especially if it seems like it
might not be worth the effort.



The difference between plonking (killfiling) and ignoring is that it
takes time to try to sort out and then ignore after you realize that
you can't or aren't willing to make the effort to do. I already spend
too much of my time in newsgroups, and I'm not interested in wasting
any of my precious time. So he's gone, and I no longer have to look at
his messages.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:01:57 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:35:11 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:50:10 +0100, Norman wrote:

Please don't add me to kill-file, just read post by post to know who wrote
what.

No, sorry. That is *your* job, not mine.

Unlike Ken, I don't plonk (well, only very rarely), but I can ignore
stuff that I don't feel like sorting out. Especially if it seems like it
might not be worth the effort.

The difference between plonking (killfiling) and ignoring is that it
takes time to try to sort out and then ignore after you realize that
you can't or aren't willing to make the effort to do. I already spend
too much of my time in newsgroups, and I'm not interested in wasting
any of my precious time. So he's gone, and I no longer have to look at
his messages.

Not my point.

My point was that even without plonking, I still don't have to suffer
the slings and arrows of Windows Live mail.

It was meant as a cautionary tale to Norman after his attempt to offload
his newsgroup formatting work onto us.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Per . . .winston:
Been running Windows 8 and 8.1 since release. No issues what so ever
with installed software.

Have you tried to re-image the PC?

My Zenbook has a chip in it to prevent certain kinds of malware.

To cut to the chase, re-imaging it from a previously-taken ShadowProtect
backup image is turning out to be a maddening experience. I suppose
I'll get it eventually, but right now the manhours are piling up.

Not a Windows 8 issue per-se... but closely related.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:32:26 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:01:57 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:35:11 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:50:10 +0100, Norman wrote:

Please don't add me to kill-file, just read post by post to know who wrote
what.

No, sorry. That is *your* job, not mine.

Unlike Ken, I don't plonk (well, only very rarely), but I can ignore
stuff that I don't feel like sorting out. Especially if it seems like it
might not be worth the effort.

The difference between plonking (killfiling) and ignoring is that it
takes time to try to sort out and then ignore after you realize that
you can't or aren't willing to make the effort to do. I already spend
too much of my time in newsgroups, and I'm not interested in wasting
any of my precious time. So he's gone, and I no longer have to look at
his messages.

Not my point.

My point was that even without plonking, I still don't have to suffer
the slings and arrows of Windows Live mail.


Yes, I understood that your point was different from mine, and I
understood what your point was. I was simply pointing out the
difference between our points of view, and stating the reason for mine
being different from yours.


It was meant as a cautionary tale to Norman after his attempt to offload
his newsgroup formatting work onto us.


And I was saying what I said for much the same reason.

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:35:11 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:50:10 +0100, Norman wrote:

Please don't add me to kill-file, just read post by post to know who wrote
what.

No, sorry. That is *your* job, not mine.

Unlike Ken, I don't plonk (well, only very rarely), but I can ignore
stuff that I don't feel like sorting out. Especially if it seems like it
might not be worth the effort.



The difference between plonking (killfiling) and ignoring is that it
takes time to try to sort out and then ignore after you realize that
you can't or aren't willing to make the effort to do. I already spend
too much of my time in newsgroups, and I'm not interested in wasting
any of my precious time. So he's gone, and I no longer have to look at
his messages.


As we get older we all have less precious time though ever since I fully
retired I find that I can easily waste more time than I normally would
have in the past on just about anything.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per . . .winston:
Been running Windows 8 and 8.1 since release. No issues what so ever
with installed software.

Have you tried to re-image the PC?

My Zenbook has a chip in it to prevent certain kinds of malware.

To cut to the chase, re-imaging it from a previously-taken ShadowProtect
backup image is turning out to be a maddening experience. I suppose
I'll get it eventually, but right now the manhours are piling up.

Not a Windows 8 issue per-se... but closely related.


I've done all types of restorations to ensure they function. Reset,
Refresh and Reset via Windows 8 and 8.1 and same with Acronis True Image
2013 and 2014.

I'm not familiar with Shadow Protect (as noted above I prefer Acronis, I
create and restore those images using both of their available options -
from the program UI or the bootable CD. The latter can be created from
within the Acronis program UI or the iso file to do so from my Acronis
account online. They all work.


I did notice that post 8.1 after upgrading via the MSFT store from 8.0
that the reset feature restored the Acer i3 laptop to its 8.0 state and
unlike my Puget Systems built i7/Asus Sabertooth desktop which restored
8.1 to its initial 8.1 state.

Once I tested everything and imaged both with Acronis then archived...I
pulled the hard drive in the laptop and replaced it with a same size
blank drive and wiped the desktop primary drive using the Win8.1 retail
media subsequently clean installing Windows 8.1 to both units (same DVD
but differnt product keys). What I lost on the laptop was Media Center
- since my MC key was originally a free MC key for 8.0 that required
install and use prior to end of Jan 2013...so the $10 for MC 8.1 via
'Add Windows features' wasn't that big of a deal.

Fortunately, I did remember to get the Acronis free upgrade from 2013 to
2014 which was available for Windows 8x users of 2013, so all my
pre-clean install images were made with 2014...also allowing me to
install 2014 without having to clean install 2013 and 2014 - had to
think about that for awhile until I understood that a clean install of
2014 using the Acronis provided *.exe file just needed entry of both
2013 and 2014 product keys in the requested sequence.

I am aware of some folks with OEM units who upgraded from 8.0 to 8.1 on
that have had problems where resetting fails necessitating use of the
OEM provided recovery media, USB Recovery drive or resetting from a
previously made Windows 8.1 System Image - which is why I opted to clean
install 8.1 and always keep redundant Acronis Images available.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

John wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 13:50:30 +0100, "Norman"
wrote:

I'm not using very much Windows 8.1 because I'm having software trouble.
System sometimes goes down without warning. I don't know if I wil be able to
do the final update to Windows 9. Must be a big size update with a possible
shut down between the process I'll loose the entire O.S. I'm predicting
Windows 8.1 is my last Windows. You can go on without me.

Right, there are so many issues in this post that I'll take them
singly.


4: Why would you *bother* upgrading to Win-9? Do you have to? Is it
part of your job? If you have a functioning machine (apart from the
crashes which we're trying to help you fix) why would you break it by
installing an OS it may not be able to cope with?


6: All Windows upgrades mean a reboot. Why does this surprise you in
the case of a W8-one to Win-9 change? Hell, even the monthly updates
usually involve a kernel restart.

7: Why would you lose ("loose" means "not attached firmly") the
entire OS during an install? Don't you have a backup, a clone of your
disk, a rescue disk or other repair mechanism? If not: GET THEM. Make
a rescue disk set. Make a full backup. Clone the OS disk. Do that
*now* before you finish reading this. Windows has its own rescue disk
and backup making software but you can also use third party stuff like
Acronis.
J.


Resounding +1 to #4, 6, & 7. Great advice.


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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 09/13/2014 11:19 PM, John wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 13:50:30 +0100, "Norman"
wrote:

I'm not using very much Windows 8.1 because I'm having software trouble.
System sometimes goes down without warning. I don't know if I wil be able to
do the final update to Windows 9. Must be a big size update with a possible
shut down between the process I'll loose the entire O.S. I'm predicting
Windows 8.1 is my last Windows. You can go on without me.

Right, there are so many issues in this post that I'll take them
singly.

1: If you suspect W8-1 as the issue can you revert to W8? Or even
Win7? Could you try installing Ubuntu as a guest OS for a trial run to
see if it *is* the OS doing the dirty on you?

You download the Newest version of Ubuntu then either burn it to dvd or
usb. It will be a Live dvd/usb which means you don't have to install to
try. Then just boot your computer for whichever you did. No need to
install just try it for awhile.




--
Caver1

On 2014-09-13 2:39 PM, Bill wrote:
In message , Silver Slimer
writes
I have literally used Windows since 3.0 and my hardware has changed
countless times. Somehow, Microsoft's product has always been good at
ensuring that I could use the hardware I owned to its fullest. No
other operating system, whether BeOS, OS/2 or GNU/Linux has ever been
able to claim the same.
I'm not sure this has always been true here. It has just been a bit
better than other OS's.

But it was a shame about BeOS.

If there were laws prohibiting computers from being pre-loaded with an
operating system, BeOS could have carved out a very interesting market
for themselves. Customers would have gotten the choice between Windows,
GNU/Linux and BeOS and due to its multimedia capabilities at the time,
the operating system would have found a lot of advocates and therefore
sales.

However, there was no reason to believe there NEEDED to be a law against
pre-loaded operating systems. It just makes SENSE that a system would be
installed which would allow you to make full use of your computer upon
purchase.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter

Think GNU/Linux protects you from the NSA?
http://bit.ly/1tNuxhF