Old IE's are now officially dead from next week

XP users, your choice is now almost over as far as using Microsoft
Internet Explorer is concerned. It is dead from next week so move on to
Windows 10 or get Mozilla Firefox

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

Good riddance!!!!!!!!!!!!


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XP users, your choice is now almost over as far as using Microsoft
Internet Explorer is concerned. It is dead from next week so move on to
Windows 10 or get Mozilla Firefox

or perhaps better yet, Pale Moon, Atom/XP Builds, w/o the Australis UI.

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:58:02 +0000, Good Guy wrote:
XP users, your choice is now almost over as far as using Microsoft
Internet Explorer is concerned. It is dead from next week so move on to
Windows 10 or get Mozilla Firefox

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

Good riddance!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you talking about? They end the support for MSIE 10 and older
versions, not the whole MSIE. After all, Windows 10 still use MSIE. Version
11, that is.

Why are you posting this in a Windows XP newsgroup, anyway? I think pretty
much everyone in this group already knows that Windows XP as well as all
versions of MSIE for Windows XP have no support any more. And I think those
that still uses XP, whether they still use MSIE or not, have their reason(s)
to do so.

It's true that MSIE as well as any other browsers that are based on MSIE's
engine, when run under Windows XP, will have problems connecting to some
secured websites due to server certificate use of SHA-256 hash algorithm
(Google via HTTPS, for example). This is because MSIE engine uses Windows
built-in cryptography library which doesn't support SHA-256. Since there's
no more update for Windows XP, the Windows built-in cryptography library is
simply one less capable for today's security standard. It doesn't mean that
it's incapable for all other security tasks that it already can do.

Windows XP users can still access such secured websites by using other
browser that doesn't use MSIE engine whose engine doesn't use Windows
builtin cryptography library. Browsers like Firefox or Chrome/ium, or any
others that are based on those two.

So, please don't misinform the users here.

JJ wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:58:02 +0000, Good Guy wrote:
XP users, your choice is now almost over as far as using Microsoft
Internet Explorer is concerned. It is dead from next week so move on to
Windows 10 or get Mozilla Firefox

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

Good riddance!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you talking about? They end the support for MSIE 10 and older
versions, not the whole MSIE. After all, Windows 10 still use MSIE.
Version 11, that is.

And IE is ultimately being superceded by Microsoft Edge. (Probably to add
more social widgets and eye candy - oh, and Cortana).

Why are you posting this in a Windows XP newsgroup, anyway? I think pretty
much everyone in this group already knows that Windows XP as well as all
versions of MSIE for Windows XP have no support any more.

And don't need it - except perhaps for that generously provided here.

And I think those
that still uses XP, whether they still use MSIE or not, have their
reason(s)
to do so.

Absolutely. +1

Bill in Co wrote:


And IE is ultimately being superceded by Microsoft Edge.

Not while it doesn't accept add-ons, it's not.

Microsoft Edge is not available in some Enterprise version
of Windows 10 either. There is some version of Windows 10
which is claimed to have "only long term stable" software in it,
so Edge was excluded.

And with Microsoft, you can't really tell what their plan
is. Whether Edge is a real replacement for IE, or merely
an "App they're screwing around with". Just like Groove
was kind of a joke, and now it's part of some payware
program. (Groove would not continue to play music, if
you iconified it. It would suspend like the other Apps
do.)

If you want to compete in the browser market, your
product should be "feature complete" when the first
copy ships. I would not think the tolerance for
"half finished" software would be that good,
in a market full of mature, feature rich products.
It's OK to deliver crap, if the software you've
developed is somehow "unique" and does something
brand new. As it is right now, I'm not even tracking
Edge, to find out whether they've finished it or not.

Paul

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:58:02 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

XP users, your choice is now almost over as far as using Microsoft
Internet Explorer is concerned. It is dead from next week so move on to
Windows 10 or get Mozilla Firefox

If people are willing to use XP without support, why would end of
support for IE be any more of a concern?

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XP users, your choice is now almost over as far as using Microsoft
Internet Explorer is concerned.* It is dead from next week so move
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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support



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Very few use I.E., so no big deal.

Win 10 ain't got nothing over XP.

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[Default] On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 23:58:41 -0800, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Barry Schwarz
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:58:02 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

XP users, your choice is now almost over as far as using Microsoft
Internet Explorer is concerned. It is dead from next week so move on to
Windows 10 or get Mozilla Firefox

If people are willing to use XP without support, why would end of
support for IE be any more of a concern?

Well, I think there are more innovations in webpages that require
improvements in the web browser than there are innovations in programs
that require improvments in the operating system.

If there are programs that won't run under XP, we usually find out
soon enough and don't run them. But people look at webpages from all
over the place and few come with warnings about what browser they
need, and even if they do, when one is in the middle of browsing, it's
a pain to have to open another browser. Plus webpages keep getting
updated.

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 23:58:41 -0800, Barry Schwarz wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:58:02 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

XP users, your choice is now almost over as far as using Microsoft
Internet Explorer is concerned. It is dead from next week so move on to
Windows 10 or get Mozilla Firefox

If people are willing to use XP without support, why would end of
support for IE be any more of a concern?

I continue to use XP, with the "hack" to allow updates until 2019.
Everything runs fine.

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 02:36:28 -0500, Paul wrote:

And with Microsoft, you can't really tell what their plan
is. Whether Edge is a real replacement for IE, or merely
an "App they're screwing around with". Just like Groove
was kind of a joke, and now it's part of some payware
program. (Groove would not continue to play music, if
you iconified it. It would suspend like the other Apps
do.)

If you want to compete in the browser market, your
product should be "feature complete" when the first
copy ships. I would not think the tolerance for
"half finished" software would be that good,
in a market full of mature, feature rich products.
It's OK to deliver crap, if the software you've
developed is somehow "unique" and does something
brand new. As it is right now, I'm not even tracking
Edge, to find out whether they've finished it or not.

That's true, especially for well known and veteran companies such as
Microsoft. The quality of nowaday softwares have likely rubbed onto
Microsoft. The OS documentations are proof of that.

IMO, Microsoft is serious about Edge. Unlike the short lived Active Desktop
and Windows Gadgets which are finally a done deal with Apps (crap). Edge is
for a long term plan considering how long it would take to dump the whole
web browser engine (i.e. MSIE; since 1995).

MSIE was way behind other browsers. Working around MSIE engine which is
already huge enough to make it better, would be way too complex. It's
probably why Microsoft spawn a new one without MSIE specific features.

The main reason why Microsoft don't dump the whole MSIE now is because MSIE
engine can use ActiveX which is still being used by some big companies for
e.g. video chat, game, etc.

The second reason is that MSIE engine components (e.g. JScript engine, HTML
engine, and browser control) are embeddable into applications wile Edge's
aren't yet. This is a big issue for software developers, so MSIE is unlikely
to go away soon. It'll stay at least until Edge is embeddable into
applications. Or it may still stay as the embeddable web browser using
EdgeHTML and without Trident and MSIE specific features, while Microsoft
Edge will be the standalone web browser.