Saving an Internet Explorer STATIC Web Page

I often want to save an IE file web page (my bank statement, a woodworking
plan, etc). I have tried web page complete, single file, edit with
Microsoft Word (when it is an option--not always!!) then save the resulting
file. Each works SOMETIMES. I have to switch my internet connection off
and try to load the saved file to even see if it worked. Sometimes NONE of
the approaches work.

I have read the explanations for this on line, but if I have been able to
display the page, why can't it just be essentially PRINTED to a file. It
would seem that I could probably save it to Adobe Acrobat. I don't care for
saving sound or antimation, just the STATIC PAGE!!!!

Why doesn't IE just do what Acrobat does--save the image that exists in
memory or can be assembled while it is on line. This is C**P. Can you
imagine the frustration of trying to view a bank statement of 8 to 12 months
ago and finding that you can't because the bank does not have the web page
anymore and all the damn links are gone? Printing all the stuff is counter
to the whole idea of having them send you the statement electronically.

"Eric Anderson" wrote:

I often want to save an IE file web page (my bank statement, a woodworking
plan, etc). I have tried web page complete, single file, edit with
Microsoft Word (when it is an option--not always!!) then save the resulting
file. Each works SOMETIMES. I have to switch my internet connection off
and try to load the saved file to even see if it worked. Sometimes NONE of
the approaches work.

I have read the explanations for this on line, but if I have been able to
display the page, why can't it just be essentially PRINTED to a file. It
would seem that I could probably save it to Adobe Acrobat. I don't care for
saving sound or antimation, just the STATIC PAGE!!!!

Why doesn't IE just do what Acrobat does--save the image that exists in
memory or can be assembled while it is on line. This is C**P. Can you
imagine the frustration of trying to view a bank statement of 8 to 12 months
ago and finding that you can't because the bank does not have the web page
anymore and all the damn links are gone? Printing all the stuff is counter
to the whole idea of having them send you the statement electronically.



Print to File

"Eric Anderson" wrote in message
...
I often want to save an IE file web page (my bank statement, a
woodworking
plan, etc). I have tried web page complete, single file, edit with
Microsoft Word (when it is an option--not always!!) then save the
resulting
file. Each works SOMETIMES. I have to switch my internet connection
off
and try to load the saved file to even see if it worked. Sometimes
NONE of
the approaches work.

I have read the explanations for this on line, but if I have been able
to
display the page, why can't it just be essentially PRINTED to a file.
It
would seem that I could probably save it to Adobe Acrobat. I don't
care for
saving sound or antimation, just the STATIC PAGE!!!!

Why doesn't IE just do what Acrobat does--save the image that exists
in
memory or can be assembled while it is on line. This is C**P. Can
you
imagine the frustration of trying to view a bank statement of 8 to 12
months
ago and finding that you can't because the bank does not have the web
page
anymore and all the damn links are gone? Printing all the stuff is
counter
to the whole idea of having them send you the statement
electronically.




When you attempt to *save* the page, the browser is going to *try* to
yank all the components that were included in that page, some of which
is text, some of which might be linked images to files that contain
those images, and some might be *generated* content which never does
exist in the STATIC web page but gets created when you visit that page
(and that page may not even exist on their server any might get
completed generated on-the-fly and that content sent to your browser).
If the web site is using a script or program to generate content
on-the-fly then that content won't be available when the browser simply
attempts to yank all the components on that page. IE saving a web page
will attempt to yank the components from that page. I'm sure you have
noticed the download dialog window that pops up when you attempt to save
a web page. Saving the web page does NOT store the *rendered* version
of that page as you see it at a specific time under certain conditions.
You might have IE in a small-sized window, or expanded to display
fullscreen, or you might be navigating to the site from some other site
that leaves its frame in that browser's window so the next site or page
only gets to use a portion of the browser's window.

If you want to save the web page, that means you want to yank the
components of that web page and THAT is what you are attempting to save.
Not all components can be yanked, especially if they are generated by a
script or program. If you want to save exactly what you see on your
screen in the current instance of the browser's window as it got
rendered under THAT environment then get a screen capture program.

There is no such thing as a STATIC page when IE is rendering the HTML
code in that web page. Text might be centered but obviously centering
depends on how wide is the viewing area for the HTML document. Lots of
positioning depends on the viewing area and its dimensions. If you
actually could save a static copy when your browser window occupied half
the size of the screen then looking at it in a browser window that was
fullscreen would still only occupy half of the screen (minus the space
that was occupied by the browser's toolbars). A table that uses fixed
width columns would scroll off to the right of your browser's current
window size. You can scroll over to see the rest but not if you only
saved a static copy of exactly what you saw in the browser's window
before scrolling (and all you would see if you did scroll over would be
that half of the page when you view it later).

The HTML document is full of code and THAT is what you are attempting to
save. If some of that content is generated on-the-fly then it might not
be available when you try to yank it. And any server-side programs that
are used by the page will not get downloaded when you save the page
(i.e., you do not get to save a copy of their program). If you truly
want a STATIC copy of exactly what you see on the screen, get a screen
capture utility.

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This appears elegantly simple!

The last time I printed a prn file, I was using DOS. Excuse the ignorance,
but how can I retrieve the content (i.e. print it or view it). I tried to
drop it on the printer and it wants me to open it in an application.




"Chuck Davis" wrote in message
...



Print to File

I understand what you are trying to say. Let me try to explain what I think
should happen by answering your comments. Obviously, what I believe does
not matter a hill of beans, but I think that when I SAVE something, I should
have total control of it after that time. If someone wants to remove it
from their site, I have SAVED it so I can recover it whenever I want to.
What good is saving something if it isn't saved (in total). I respond to
your specific comments below. I do understand what you are saying, and I
would like your take on my comments.

"_Vanguard_" wrote in
message ...

When you attempt to *save* the page, the browser is going to *try* to
yank all the components that were included in that page, some of which
is text, some of which might be linked images to files that contain
those images, and some might be *generated* content which never does
exist in the STATIC web page but gets created when you visit that page
(and that page may not even exist on their server any might get
completed generated on-the-fly and that content sent to your browser).

On a computer, everything is generated in some way. A Word file is
assembled by the Microsoft Word application in memory. When a person saves
a web page, which is more important--being able to recreate the static view
being displayed on the screen or (at the whim of a remote server still
having the content) being able to recreate the exact dynamic presentation
that existed before? I THINK that is what we are talking about here. What
is the usefulness of saving a web page over saving a favorite that allows
you to point to the page where the original page was generated.

If the web site is using a script or program to generate content
on-the-fly then that content won't be available when the browser simply
attempts to yank all the components on that page. IE saving a web page
will attempt to yank the components from that page. I'm sure you have
noticed the download dialog window that pops up when you attempt to save
a web page. Saving the web page does NOT store the *rendered* version
of that page as you see it at a specific time under certain conditions.

I hear you, but I think THAT is what I want. When I try to save a page, I
am trying to save the content I see on the screen at that time. I am not
trying to save the entire ability of pulling up records from a remote server
which might occupy Terabytes. I want to save a plan on how to build a
woodworking project. I am trying to save a monthly statement (so I can
refer to it a year later). I am trying to save a newspaper story (which may
be removed by the publisher) to refer to it later. If I want to search a
database or work with dynamic information that the server on line can
provide me, I will choose a favorite and link to the website itself.

You might have IE in a small-sized window, or expanded to display
fullscreen, or you might be navigating to the site from some other site
that leaves its frame in that browser's window so the next site or page
only gets to use a portion of the browser's window.

If I am reading you correctly, I could have Word in a small window, that
does not mean that the Word file I save is not able to be totally
regenerated when I open Word again and go full screen. Again, I am not
expecting a dynamic window. I just want the equivalent of my Word file back
again. Hell, many times the picture content exists in saving the website
complete, they are just not displayed for some reason.

If you want to save the web page, that means you want to yank the
components of that web page and THAT is what you are attempting to save.

Yes.

Not all components can be yanked, especially if they are generated by a
script or program. If you want to save exactly what you see on your
screen in the current instance of the browser's window as it got
rendered under THAT environment then get a screen capture program.

They can be yanked at the time you are saving them because they are yanked
to be displayed on your screen. I don't want a screen capture program
because the page may be several screens long. I just want to save what I am
seeing.

There is no such thing as a STATIC page when IE is rendering the HTML
code in that web page. Text might be centered but obviously centering
depends on how wide is the viewing area for the HTML document. Lots of
positioning depends on the viewing area and its dimensions. If you
actually could save a static copy when your browser window occupied half
the size of the screen then looking at it in a browser window that was
fullscreen would still only occupy half of the screen (minus the space
that was occupied by the browser's toolbars). A table that uses fixed
width columns would scroll off to the right of your browser's current
window size. You can scroll over to see the rest but not if you only
saved a static copy of exactly what you saw in the browser's window
before scrolling (and all you would see if you did scroll over would be
that half of the page when you view it later).

Mmmm. If I were to choose, I would ask the SAVE operation to save it so I
could render it so I could scroll just as I would when I was looking at the
data on my screen originally. I would not ask it to render new data or data
that was up to date at the time I retrieved the saved file.

Chuck said simply--print to file. I guess that is what I want. Stupid
me--I need to understand how to retrieve the damn thing after I do that.
But I guess that is what I want. An Adobe Acrobat print to file would do
the trick for me.

The HTML document is full of code and THAT is what you are attempting to
save. If some of that content is generated on-the-fly then it might not
be available when you try to yank it. And any server-side programs that
are used by the page will not get downloaded when you save the page
(i.e., you do not get to save a copy of their program). If you truly
want a STATIC copy of exactly what you see on the screen, get a screen
capture utility.

Again, I don't want a screen capture utility--not even an elegant one. I
want to print to a file I can reload into something to view it EXACTLY as I
saw it 6 months ago--no changes. I want my magazine article to be the same
as when I first viewed it. I want my woodworking plan the same as it is
statically on my browser. I want my bank statement EXACTLY as it was when I
saved it (not controlled by the bank which could have changed it since I
last looked at it). HOW DO I DO THAT!!???
Since it was first viewed in a browser in IE, it would make sense to be able
to load it into an IE brower window to view it once again with NO CHANGES.
If I want to see how the data looks NOW 6 months later, I will go to the web
site. That is what saving a favorite is for. If I want to save something,
I want to see something just as it was when I saved it.

Sorry about this, but I think the concept is important.
--

Hi Eric
I think that you mentioned the right solution in your original posting.
Use Adobe Acrobat or another PDF generating software.
There is a very nice and cheap piece of software on www.pdfprinter.dk.
Unfortunately this home page is in Danish, but you can download a fully
functional version from it.
Select the PRO version. It will watermark your your pages if you write more
than 5. It does not expire. From IE it only prints the selected frame. On the
first tab in the properties sheet you can change the language to English.
There are add-ins for Word and Excel
For ordering info write

Apart from that, I thing that you have a lousy Internet bank if it doesn't
have the option of downloading your account info as a Excel file.

Best regards
Flemming

"Eric Anderson" wrote:

I understand what you are trying to say. Let me try to explain what I think
should happen by answering your comments. Obviously, what I believe does
not matter a hill of beans, but I think that when I SAVE something, I should
have total control of it after that time. If someone wants to remove it
from their site, I have SAVED it so I can recover it whenever I want to.
What good is saving something if it isn't saved (in total). I respond to
your specific comments below. I do understand what you are saying, and I
would like your take on my comments.

"_Vanguard_" wrote in
message ...

When you attempt to *save* the page, the browser is going to *try* to
yank all the components that were included in that page, some of which
is text, some of which might be linked images to files that contain
those images, and some might be *generated* content which never does
exist in the STATIC web page but gets created when you visit that page
(and that page may not even exist on their server any might get
completed generated on-the-fly and that content sent to your browser).

On a computer, everything is generated in some way. A Word file is
assembled by the Microsoft Word application in memory. When a person saves
a web page, which is more important--being able to recreate the static view
being displayed on the screen or (at the whim of a remote server still
having the content) being able to recreate the exact dynamic presentation
that existed before? I THINK that is what we are talking about here. What
is the usefulness of saving a web page over saving a favorite that allows
you to point to the page where the original page was generated.

If the web site is using a script or program to generate content
on-the-fly then that content won't be available when the browser simply
attempts to yank all the components on that page. IE saving a web page
will attempt to yank the components from that page. I'm sure you have
noticed the download dialog window that pops up when you attempt to save
a web page. Saving the web page does NOT store the *rendered* version
of that page as you see it at a specific time under certain conditions.

I hear you, but I think THAT is what I want. When I try to save a page, I
am trying to save the content I see on the screen at that time. I am not
trying to save the entire ability of pulling up records from a remote server
which might occupy Terabytes. I want to save a plan on how to build a
woodworking project. I am trying to save a monthly statement (so I can
refer to it a year later). I am trying to save a newspaper story (which may
be removed by the publisher) to refer to it later. If I want to search a
database or work with dynamic information that the server on line can
provide me, I will choose a favorite and link to the website itself.

You might have IE in a small-sized window, or expanded to display
fullscreen, or you might be navigating to the site from some other site
that leaves its frame in that browser's window so the next site or page
only gets to use a portion of the browser's window.

If I am reading you correctly, I could have Word in a small window, that
does not mean that the Word file I save is not able to be totally
regenerated when I open Word again and go full screen. Again, I am not
expecting a dynamic window. I just want the equivalent of my Word file back
again. Hell, many times the picture content exists in saving the website
complete, they are just not displayed for some reason.

If you want to save the web page, that means you want to yank the
components of that web page and THAT is what you are attempting to save.

Yes.

Not all components can be yanked, especially if they are generated by a
script or program. If you want to save exactly what you see on your
screen in the current instance of the browser's window as it got
rendered under THAT environment then get a screen capture program.

They can be yanked at the time you are saving them because they are yanked
to be displayed on your screen. I don't want a screen capture program
because the page may be several screens long. I just want to save what I am
seeing.

There is no such thing as a STATIC page when IE is rendering the HTML
code in that web page. Text might be centered but obviously centering
depends on how wide is the viewing area for the HTML document. Lots of
positioning depends on the viewing area and its dimensions. If you
actually could save a static copy when your browser window occupied half
the size of the screen then looking at it in a browser window that was
fullscreen would still only occupy half of the screen (minus the space
that was occupied by the browser's toolbars). A table that uses fixed
width columns would scroll off to the right of your browser's current
window size. You can scroll over to see the rest but not if you only
saved a static copy of exactly what you saw in the browser's window
before scrolling (and all you would see if you did scroll over would be
that half of the page when you view it later).

Mmmm. If I were to choose, I would ask the SAVE operation to save it so I
could render it so I could scroll just as I would when I was looking at the
data on my screen originally. I would not ask it to render new data or data
that was up to date at the time I retrieved the saved file.

Chuck said simply--print to file. I guess that is what I want. Stupid
me--I need to understand how to retrieve the damn thing after I do that.
But I guess that is what I want. An Adobe Acrobat print to file would do
the trick for me.

The HTML document is full of code and THAT is what you are attempting to
save. If some of that content is generated on-the-fly then it might not
be available when you try to yank it. And any server-side programs that
are used by the page will not get downloaded when you save the page
(i.e., you do not get to save a copy of their program). If you truly
want a STATIC copy of exactly what you see on the screen, get a screen
capture utility.

Again, I don't want a screen capture utility--not even an elegant one. I
want to print to a file I can reload into something to view it EXACTLY as I
saw it 6 months ago--no changes. I want my magazine article to be the same
as when I first viewed it. I want my woodworking plan the same as it is
statically on my browser. I want my bank statement EXACTLY as it was when I
saved it (not controlled by the bank which could have changed it since I
last looked at it). HOW DO I DO THAT!!???
Since it was first viewed in a browser in IE, it would make sense to be able
to load it into an IE brower window to view it once again with NO CHANGES.
If I want to see how the data looks NOW 6 months later, I will go to the web
site. That is what saving a favorite is for. If I want to save something,
I want to see something just as it was when I saved it.

Sorry about this, but I think the concept is important.
--

In ,
Eric Anderson typed:

This appears elegantly simple!

The last time I printed a prn file, I was using DOS. Excuse
the
ignorance, but how can I retrieve the content (i.e. print it or
view
it). I tried to drop it on the printer and it wants me to open
it in
an application.


If you are already familiar with how to do this in DOS, then do
the same thing in Windows XP: open a command prompt window and
issue the command

copy \path\filename.prn LPT1

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

"Flemming Knudsen" wrote in
message ...
Hi Eric
I think that you mentioned the right solution in your original
posting.
Use Adobe Acrobat or another PDF generating software.
There is a very nice and cheap piece of software on www.pdfprinter.dk.
Unfortunately this home page is in Danish, but you can download a
fully
functional version from it.
Select the PRO version. It will watermark your your pages if you write
more
than 5. It does not expire. From IE it only prints the selected frame.
On the
first tab in the properties sheet you can change the language to
English.
There are add-ins for Word and Excel
For ordering info write

Apart from that, I thing that you have a lousy Internet bank if it
doesn't
have the option of downloading your account info as a Excel file.

Best regards
Flemming

"Eric Anderson" wrote:

I understand what you are trying to say. Let me try to explain what
I think
should happen by answering your comments. Obviously, what I believe
does
not matter a hill of beans, but I think that when I SAVE something, I
should
have total control of it after that time. If someone wants to remove
it
from their site, I have SAVED it so I can recover it whenever I want
to.
What good is saving something if it isn't saved (in total). I
respond to
your specific comments below. I do understand what you are saying,
and I
would like your take on my comments.

"_Vanguard_" wrote
in
message ...

When you attempt to *save* the page, the browser is going to *try*
to
yank all the components that were included in that page, some of
which
is text, some of which might be linked images to files that contain
those images, and some might be *generated* content which never
does
exist in the STATIC web page but gets created when you visit that
page
(and that page may not even exist on their server any might get
completed generated on-the-fly and that content sent to your
browser).

On a computer, everything is generated in some way. A Word file is
assembled by the Microsoft Word application in memory. When a person
saves
a web page, which is more important--being able to recreate the
static view
being displayed on the screen or (at the whim of a remote server
still
having the content) being able to recreate the exact dynamic
presentation
that existed before? I THINK that is what we are talking about here.
What
is the usefulness of saving a web page over saving a favorite that
allows
you to point to the page where the original page was generated.

If the web site is using a script or program to generate content
on-the-fly then that content won't be available when the browser
simply
attempts to yank all the components on that page. IE saving a web
page
will attempt to yank the components from that page. I'm sure you
have
noticed the download dialog window that pops up when you attempt to
save
a web page. Saving the web page does NOT store the *rendered*
version
of that page as you see it at a specific time under certain
conditions.

I hear you, but I think THAT is what I want. When I try to save a
page, I
am trying to save the content I see on the screen at that time. I am
not
trying to save the entire ability of pulling up records from a remote
server
which might occupy Terabytes. I want to save a plan on how to build
a
woodworking project. I am trying to save a monthly statement (so I
can
refer to it a year later). I am trying to save a newspaper story
(which may
be removed by the publisher) to refer to it later. If I want to
search a
database or work with dynamic information that the server on line can
provide me, I will choose a favorite and link to the website itself.

You might have IE in a small-sized window, or expanded to display
fullscreen, or you might be navigating to the site from some other
site
that leaves its frame in that browser's window so the next site or
page
only gets to use a portion of the browser's window.

If I am reading you correctly, I could have Word in a small window,
that
does not mean that the Word file I save is not able to be totally
regenerated when I open Word again and go full screen. Again, I am
not
expecting a dynamic window. I just want the equivalent of my Word
file back
again. Hell, many times the picture content exists in saving the
website
complete, they are just not displayed for some reason.

If you want to save the web page, that means you want to yank the
components of that web page and THAT is what you are attempting to
save.

Yes.

Not all components can be yanked, especially if they are generated
by a
script or program. If you want to save exactly what you see on
your
screen in the current instance of the browser's window as it got
rendered under THAT environment then get a screen capture program.

They can be yanked at the time you are saving them because they are
yanked
to be displayed on your screen. I don't want a screen capture
program
because the page may be several screens long. I just want to save
what I am
seeing.

There is no such thing as a STATIC page when IE is rendering the
HTML
code in that web page. Text might be centered but obviously
centering
depends on how wide is the viewing area for the HTML document.
Lots of
positioning depends on the viewing area and its dimensions. If you
actually could save a static copy when your browser window occupied
half
the size of the screen then looking at it in a browser window that
was
fullscreen would still only occupy half of the screen (minus the
space
that was occupied by the browser's toolbars). A table that uses
fixed
width columns would scroll off to the right of your browser's
current
window size. You can scroll over to see the rest but not if you
only
saved a static copy of exactly what you saw in the browser's window
before scrolling (and all you would see if you did scroll over
would be
that half of the page when you view it later).

Mmmm. If I were to choose, I would ask the SAVE operation to save it
so I
could render it so I could scroll just as I would when I was looking
at the
data on my screen originally. I would not ask it to render new data
or data
that was up to date at the time I retrieved the saved file.

Chuck said simply--print to file. I guess that is what I want.
Stupid
me--I need to understand how to retrieve the damn thing after I do
that.
But I guess that is what I want. An Adobe Acrobat print to file
would do
the trick for me.

The HTML document is full of code and THAT is what you are
attempting to
save. If some of that content is generated on-the-fly then it
might not
be available when you try to yank it. And any server-side programs
that
are used by the page will not get downloaded when you save the page
(i.e., you do not get to save a copy of their program). If you
truly
want a STATIC copy of exactly what you see on the screen, get a
screen
capture utility.

Again, I don't want a screen capture utility--not even an elegant
one. I
want to print to a file I can reload into something to view it
EXACTLY as I
saw it 6 months ago--no changes. I want my magazine article to be
the same
as when I first viewed it. I want my woodworking plan the same as it
is
statically on my browser. I want my bank statement EXACTLY as it was
when I
saved it (not controlled by the bank which could have changed it
since I
last looked at it). HOW DO I DO THAT!!???
Since it was first viewed in a browser in IE, it would make sense to
be able
to load it into an IE brower window to view it once again with NO
CHANGES.
If I want to see how the data looks NOW 6 months later, I will go to
the web
site. That is what saving a favorite is for. If I want to save
something,
I want to see something just as it was when I saved it.

Sorry about this, but I think the concept is important.
--






Well, if *printing* to a file saves more than what a file save does, and
if you want it in PDF format, you could use CutePDF or PDFCreator to
create .pdf files, and both are free. It could be that printing the
document as it is rendered (i.e., what you see) would work for you as
opposed to yanking the content of the site (of which some might be
generated on-the-fly so you can't yank it).

http://www.cutepdf.com/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/

There are no watermarks or other adware/demoware/crapware in these
products (i.e., they don't attempt to promote you to their paid version
to rid of some crap they add). For CutePDF, there is a blurb in the
print dialog promoting their paid version. PDFCreator is open
sourceware and there is no promotional crap anywhere (because there is
no commercial version of the software to upgrade to). Back in February
when I looked at these two products, I choose PDFCreator because
PDFCreator has an Options page where resolution can be adjusted whereas
CutePDF requires you to edit a text file. I never did test them for
speed as to which was faster in generating the PDF file, but since both
rely on the same Ghostscript program to do the actual conversion then I
suspect they are nearly equal in performance. However, they obviously
won't provide every feature possible within a PDF file that, say, Adobe
Acrobat (and its Distiller) will provide. The install for PDFCreator is
easier because it includes the install of Ghostscript whereas you need
to separately install Ghostscript first before installing CutePDF (they
have a link to Ghostscript on CutePDF's download page).

That doesn't mean that what you print will be exactly what got rendered
by a browser. For example, if you navigate to http://www.comcast.net/
which uses Flash to display its content, some flash content might be
missing. Also, they use layers to paint the web page so the printed
version will show those layers separate of each other (you see one layer
on one page and another layer on a different page inside the PDF file
generated by printing to a file). If you print (to PDF file) the
http://www.msn.com/ page, it looks similar but not exactly the same as
what you saw in the browser that rendered all the code, retrieved the
image files, and submitted or initiated programs or scripts that
generated more content. If you print (to PDF file) the
http://www.expedia.com page, the right-side of the page gets truncated.
Even switching to landscape mode to get wider printing might still not
be wide enough to encompass a very wide page, like a huge table with
dozens of rows.

Old HTML was geared towards generating static documents. DHTML, CSS,
and other technologies since added are not designed to be viewable by
saving them because not everything is there to save.

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CutePDF is also free and works well as a printer (to a PDF
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"_Vanguard_"
wrote in
message ...
| "Flemming Knudsen"
wrote in
| message
...
| Hi Eric
| I think that you mentioned the right solution in your
original
| posting.
| Use Adobe Acrobat or another PDF generating software.
| There is a very nice and cheap piece of software on
www.pdfprinter.dk.
| Unfortunately this home page is in Danish, but you can
download a
| fully
| functional version from it.
| Select the PRO version. It will watermark your your
pages if you write
| more
| than 5. It does not expire. From IE it only prints the
selected frame.
| On the
| first tab in the properties sheet you can change the
language to
| English.
| There are add-ins for Word and Excel
| For ordering info write
|
| Apart from that, I thing that you have a lousy Internet
bank if it
| doesn't
| have the option of downloading your account info as a
Excel file.
|
| Best regards
| Flemming
|
| "Eric Anderson" wrote:
|
| I understand what you are trying to say. Let me try to
explain what
| I think
| should happen by answering your comments. Obviously,
what I believe
| does
| not matter a hill of beans, but I think that when I
SAVE something, I
| should
| have total control of it after that time. If someone
wants to remove
| it
| from their site, I have SAVED it so I can recover it
whenever I want
| to.
| What good is saving something if it isn't saved (in
total). I
| respond to
| your specific comments below. I do understand what you
are saying,
| and I
| would like your take on my comments.
|
| "_Vanguard_"
wrote
| in
| message ...
|
| When you attempt to *save* the page, the browser is
going to *try*
| to
| yank all the components that were included in that
page, some of
| which
| is text, some of which might be linked images to
files that contain
| those images, and some might be *generated* content
which never
| does
| exist in the STATIC web page but gets created when
you visit that
| page
| (and that page may not even exist on their server any
might get
| completed generated on-the-fly and that content sent
to your
| browser).
|
| On a computer, everything is generated in some way. A
Word file is
| assembled by the Microsoft Word application in memory.
When a person
| saves
| a web page, which is more important--being able to
recreate the
| static view
| being displayed on the screen or (at the whim of a
remote server
| still
| having the content) being able to recreate the exact
dynamic
| presentation
| that existed before? I THINK that is what we are
talking about here.
| What
| is the usefulness of saving a web page over saving a
favorite that
| allows
| you to point to the page where the original page was
generated.
|
| If the web site is using a script or program to
generate content
| on-the-fly then that content won't be available when
the browser
| simply
| attempts to yank all the components on that page. IE
saving a web
| page
| will attempt to yank the components from that page.
I'm sure you
| have
| noticed the download dialog window that pops up when
you attempt to
| save
| a web page. Saving the web page does NOT store the
*rendered*
| version
| of that page as you see it at a specific time under
certain
| conditions.
|
| I hear you, but I think THAT is what I want. When I
try to save a
| page, I
| am trying to save the content I see on the screen at
that time. I am
| not
| trying to save the entire ability of pulling up records
from a remote
| server
| which might occupy Terabytes. I want to save a plan on
how to build
| a
| woodworking project. I am trying to save a monthly
statement (so I
| can
| refer to it a year later). I am trying to save a
newspaper story
| (which may
| be removed by the publisher) to refer to it later. If
I want to
| search a
| database or work with dynamic information that the
server on line can
| provide me, I will choose a favorite and link to the
website itself.
|
| You might have IE in a small-sized window, or
expanded to display
| fullscreen, or you might be navigating to the site
from some other
| site
| that leaves its frame in that browser's window so the
next site or
| page
| only gets to use a portion of the browser's window.
|
| If I am reading you correctly, I could have Word in a
small window,
| that
| does not mean that the Word file I save is not able to
be totally
| regenerated when I open Word again and go full screen.
Again, I am
| not
| expecting a dynamic window. I just want the equivalent
of my Word
| file back
| again. Hell, many times the picture content exists in
saving the
| website
| complete, they are just not displayed for some reason.
|
| If you want to save the web page, that means you want
to yank the
| components of that web page and THAT is what you are
attempting to
| save.
|
| Yes.
|
| Not all components can be yanked, especially if they
are generated
| by a
| script or program. If you want to save exactly what
you see on
| your
| screen in the current instance of the browser's
window as it got
| rendered under THAT environment then get a screen
capture program.
|
| They can be yanked at the time you are saving them
because they are
| yanked
| to be displayed on your screen. I don't want a screen
capture
| program
| because the page may be several screens long. I just
want to save
| what I am
| seeing.
|
| There is no such thing as a STATIC page when IE is
rendering the
| HTML
| code in that web page. Text might be centered but
obviously
| centering
| depends on how wide is the viewing area for the HTML
document.
| Lots of
| positioning depends on the viewing area and its
dimensions. If you
| actually could save a static copy when your browser
window occupied
| half
| the size of the screen then looking at it in a
browser window that
| was
| fullscreen would still only occupy half of the screen
(minus the
| space
| that was occupied by the browser's toolbars). A
table that uses
| fixed
| width columns would scroll off to the right of your
browser's
| current
| window size. You can scroll over to see the rest but
not if you
| only
| saved a static copy of exactly what you saw in the
browser's window
| before scrolling (and all you would see if you did
scroll over
| would be
| that half of the page when you view it later).
|
| Mmmm. If I were to choose, I would ask the SAVE
operation to save it
| so I
| could render it so I could scroll just as I would when
I was looking
| at the
| data on my screen originally. I would not ask it to
render new data
| or data
| that was up to date at the time I retrieved the saved
file.
|
| Chuck said simply--print to file. I guess that is what
I want.
| Stupid
| me--I need to understand how to retrieve the damn thing
after I do
| that.
| But I guess that is what I want. An Adobe Acrobat
print to file
| would do
| the trick for me.
|
| The HTML document is full of code and THAT is what
you are
| attempting to
| save. If some of that content is generated
on-the-fly then it
| might not
| be available when you try to yank it. And any
server-side programs
| that
| are used by the page will not get downloaded when you
save the page
| (i.e., you do not get to save a copy of their
program). If you
| truly
| want a STATIC copy of exactly what you see on the
screen, get a
| screen
| capture utility.
|
| Again, I don't want a screen capture utility--not even
an elegant
| one. I
| want to print to a file I can reload into something to
view it
| EXACTLY as I
| saw it 6 months ago--no changes. I want my magazine
article to be
| the same
| as when I first viewed it. I want my woodworking plan
the same as it
| is
| statically on my browser. I want my bank statement
EXACTLY as it was
| when I
| saved it (not controlled by the bank which could have
changed it
| since I
| last looked at it). HOW DO I DO THAT!!???
| Since it was first viewed in a browser in IE, it would
make sense to
| be able
| to load it into an IE brower window to view it once
again with NO
| CHANGES.
| If I want to see how the data looks NOW 6 months later,
I will go to
| the web
| site. That is what saving a favorite is for. If I
want to save
| something,
| I want to see something just as it was when I saved it.
|
| Sorry about this, but I think the concept is important.
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Well, if *printing* to a file saves more than what a file
save does, and
| if you want it in PDF format, you could use CutePDF or
PDFCreator to
| create .pdf files, and both are free. It could be that
printing the
| document as it is rendered (i.e., what you see) would work
for you as
| opposed to yanking the content of the site (of which some
might be
| generated on-the-fly so you can't yank it).
|
| http://www.cutepdf.com/
| https://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
|
| There are no watermarks or other adware/demoware/crapware
in these
| products (i.e., they don't attempt to promote you to their
paid version
| to rid of some crap they add). For CutePDF, there is a
blurb in the
| print dialog promoting their paid version. PDFCreator is
open
| sourceware and there is no promotional crap anywhere
(because there is
| no commercial version of the software to upgrade to).
Back in February
| when I looked at these two products, I choose PDFCreator
because
| PDFCreator has an Options page where resolution can be
adjusted whereas
| CutePDF requires you to edit a text file. I never did
test them for
| speed as to which was faster in generating the PDF file,
but since both
| rely on the same Ghostscript program to do the actual
conversion then I
| suspect they are nearly equal in performance. However,
they obviously
| won't provide every feature possible within a PDF file
that, say, Adobe
| Acrobat (and its Distiller) will provide. The install for
PDFCreator is
| easier because it includes the install of Ghostscript
whereas you need
| to separately install Ghostscript first before installing
CutePDF (they
| have a link to Ghostscript on CutePDF's download page).
|
| That doesn't mean that what you print will be exactly what
got rendered
| by a browser. For example, if you navigate to
http://www.comcast.net/
| which uses Flash to display its content, some flash
content might be
| missing. Also, they use layers to paint the web page so
the printed
| version will show those layers separate of each other (you
see one layer
| on one page and another layer on a different page inside
the PDF file
| generated by printing to a file). If you print (to PDF
file) the
| http://www.msn.com/ page, it looks similar but not exactly
the same as
| what you saw in the browser that rendered all the code,
retrieved the
| image files, and submitted or initiated programs or
scripts that
| generated more content. If you print (to PDF file) the
| http://www.expedia.com page, the right-side of the page
gets truncated.
| Even switching to landscape mode to get wider printing
might still not
| be wide enough to encompass a very wide page, like a huge
table with
| dozens of rows.
|
| Old HTML was geared towards generating static documents.
DHTML, CSS,
| and other technologies since added are not designed to be
viewable by
| saving them because not everything is there to save.
|
| --
|
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