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  #46  
Old November 29th 16, 08:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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[]
d) they've gotten rid of the service you could call and talk to and it
would play back what you've said. Even on the XP version which
continues to show it I think because it's in my personal list of
contacts (even though I didnt' come up with it. It was there when I
installed Skype) it doesn't work anymore. That was nice but I can live


You mean "Echo / Sound Test Service", which is in my contacts list (I
too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows
as Online, and when I call it, "welcome to Skype'CallTesting service"
(with the rather odd speech pattern), then asks me to record a test, and
plays it back. Still there for me!

without it. I can always call my home phone, listen to its message and


Only if you've paid Skype to let it let you call ordinary 'phones.

leave a message there to check the speaker and mike level.


Though the self-testing service lets you hear your level compared to
hers, which is easier.

I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.


Agreed (not just for Skype). Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_
have a menu bar; I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting
to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a
generic setting in Windows.
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Old November 30th 16, 02:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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micky on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:20:37 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:

I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.


It is all meant to "enhance the Computer experience."

I'd like to go to the design office, and enhance their office
expereience according to what the latest study shows is a better way
of doing it. Or because I got bored with the way it is. (I got only
so much RAM in the Wetware, I can use it to get what I want done, or
fiddle with the computer.)

Set phasers to "Deep Fat Fry, Extra Crispy, Cajun style."
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  #48  
Old December 1st 16, 10:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:38:22
-0500, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote:
Rant number 75.

For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.

But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
Skype I could get.


Who says?

I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I
could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop.

Perhaps I could unintall Skype Preview, but it's not listed in Programs
and Features.

So, perhaps I could install a different version over it. Other posters
wrote about that but IIRC, it wasn't certain to work.

snip


Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and
then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win
7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the
latest version.


That's probably because they call what I have Skype Preview, although
even though it's "new" it's version 10. something.

Anyhow that must be the difference. My computer was also upgraded from
7 but it probably didn't have Skype at the time. OR Skype Preview
wan't part of the origina 10 install, but it came later. I wouldn't be
surprised if it will come to you too. Maybe you can turn off automatic
updates for Skype. Although other than losing the ability to call in
for a mike and speaker test, it's not so bad now that I manage to find
Light Mode. And I was wrong about Echo/Sound Test Service not working
in XP. Maybe I clicked wrong because a touchpad instead of plugging in
a mouse but it worked the next time I tried it on XP. And it works in
win10 too -- it's in the list of numbers you have called --

But there is still a substantial problem with Skype Preview. Skype in
XP has iirc the ability to test and set the level of the microphone
without calling the Test Service. This is much faster and easier than
calling the Test Service. and I've looked all over Preview one more time
and it's not there. So they didnt' totally ruin it but they weakened
it.
  #49  
Old December 1st 16, 11:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:04:35
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

In message , micky
writes:
[]
d) they've gotten rid of the service you could call and talk to and it
would play back what you've said. Even on the XP version which
continues to show it I think because it's in my personal list of
contacts (even though I didnt' come up with it. It was there when I
installed Skype) it doesn't work anymore. That was nice but I can live


You mean "Echo / Sound Test Service", which is in my contacts list (I
too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows
as Online, and when I call it, "welcome to Skype'CallTesting service"
(with the rather odd speech pattern), then asks me to record a test, and
plays it back. Still there for me!


I was wrong about that. Sorry. I was probably looking in Settings,
Preference, or Options, whatever they call it, and instead it's in
alphabetical order among the contacts, as you say.

without it. I can always call my home phone, listen to its message and


Only if you've paid Skype to let it let you call ordinary 'phones.


Yes, you have to put in I think it's a minimum of $10 to start and then
it's about 3cents a minute, maybe less, to call locally or long distance
and not too much more to call most foreign countries. Going back maybe
before I had a cell phone, I was glad to do that so I can call long
distance when I'm at other people's houses without mooching off of them.
And it was the successor to Net2Phon, which iirc existed before anyone
had a cellphone (other than the one that was as big as a wwii
walkie-talkie.)

Also I changed my long distance from Bell to a cheaper service, which
then charged me, not only more than they said they would charge when I
signed up, but more than their webpage said they were charging at the
moment. But I dragged my feet about gathering data and complaining and
they cancelled me. So I had no long distance, within the US or out of
the country, for a couple years**,and I used Skype for that. It was
good.

But this fee is not like the monthly recurring fee to have an incoming
Skype phone number in digits, that can be called from an ordinary phone.
Committing to a monthly fee is a lot more money. (One can call for free
another Skype customer if Skype is running on his computer or phone,
using his Skype name, not a phone *number*.

**I kept trying to find a long distance service similar to the one that
had cancelled me, and maybe I was just stupid since they all talked
about the rate to foreign countries but no one talked about calling in
the US long distance. I finally signed up for one that works very well,
and it's only reference to calling in the US is that the US is in the
list of 200 countries that it gives the rate for. Maybe the others
were like that too and I forced myself to use Skype for no good reason.

I have $7 remaining in my account but I think I spent the first 10.

leave a message there to check the speaker and mike level.


Though the self-testing service lets you hear your level compared to
hers, which is easier.


Yes, that works fine and it's free.

I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.


Agreed (not just for Skype).


Thunderbird!! How come you and I know this but those writers don't?

Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_
have a menu bar;


Skype Preview?

I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting
to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a
generic setting in Windows.


Hmmm.
  #50  
Old December 1st 16, 11:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:20:40
-0800, pyotr filipivich wrote:

micky on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:20:37 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:

I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.


It is all meant to "enhance the Computer experience."


That must be it. ;-(

I'd like to go to the design office, and enhance their office
expereience according to what the latest study shows is a better way


Study, shmudy. I want them to do it my way, our way. How come the 3
of us know it's better and they don't?

of doing it. Or because I got bored with the way it is. (I got only
so much RAM in the Wetware, I can use it to get what I want done, or
fiddle with the computer.)

Set phasers to "Deep Fat Fry, Extra Crispy, Cajun style."


  #51  
Old December 2nd 16, 03:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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B00ze on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 00:47:05 -0500 typed
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
On 2016-11-25 07:47, CRNG wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500, micky
wrote in

But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
Skype I could get.

And boy did they ruin it.


MS does that a lot.


Yeah, but then there is Symantec, who buy companies, just to kill all
their products, and cherry-pick 10 lines of code from one to integrate
in theirs. At least MS tries to keep the products alive for a little bit
longer ;-)


Microsoft motto is "Embrace, extend, and extinguish", also known
as "Embrace, extend, and exterminate".
Or "fix it so it doesn't work with anyone else's version, then
micrate it to our version."


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Old December 2nd 16, 03:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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micky on Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:07:47 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:20:40
-0800, pyotr filipivich wrote:

micky on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:20:37 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:

I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It
worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top.


It is all meant to "enhance the Computer experience."


That must be it. ;-(

I'd like to go to the design office, and enhance their office
expereience according to what the latest study shows is a better way


Study, shmudy.


Hey, I spent a lot of time and effort on that study!
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  #53  
Old December 2nd 16, 10:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , micky
writes:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:04:35
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

[]
too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows

[]
Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_
have a menu bar;


Skype Preview?


No, normal Skype - version as above - on my W7 machine.

I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting
to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a
generic setting in Windows.


Hmmm.


I _might_ be wrong about that. I "know" (from other people) that another
piece of software (Turnpike), that was, unfortunately, designed to look
like an (Windows) Explorer shell extension, loses its menu bar by
default when run in 7, and there's no setting _in Turnpike_ to bring it
back, but it can be brought back (in Turnpike) by changing a setting in
normal Windows Explorer. That's probably something different to your
Skype Preview. Worth having a look under View, though: I've found quite
a lot of software where you can get back the menu bar, it's just turned
off by default, by looking in the View menu (sometimes View | Toolbars).
Of course, if you haven't _got_ a menu, you can't select View - but
Alt-V often brings it up. (In fact sometimes, the menus appear as soon
as you press the Alt key, though disappear if you let go of it.)
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Old December 3rd 16, 09:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:36:33
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

In message , micky
writes:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:04:35
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

[]
too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows

[]
Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_
have a menu bar;


Skype Preview?


No, normal Skype - version as above - on my W7 machine.

I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting
to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a
generic setting in Windows.


Hmmm.


I _might_ be wrong about that. I "know" (from other people) that another
piece of software (Turnpike), that was, unfortunately, designed to look
like an (Windows) Explorer shell extension, loses its menu bar by
default when run in 7, and there's no setting _in Turnpike_ to bring it
back, but it can be brought back (in Turnpike) by changing a setting in
normal Windows Explorer. That's probably something different to your
Skype Preview. Worth having a look under View, though: I've found quite


Alas, Skype Preview has no View. The "virus" has spread that far.

a lot of software where you can get back the menu bar, it's just turned
off by default, by looking in the View menu (sometimes View | Toolbars).


No Toolbars entry either.

Of course, if you haven't _got_ a menu, you can't select View - but
Alt-V often brings it up. (In fact sometimes, the menus appear as soon
as you press the Alt key, though disappear if you let go of it.)


I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them
did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a
trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago
to say that my Windows license had been suspended.).
  #55  
Old December 3rd 16, 06:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:38:22
-0500, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote:
Rant number 75.

For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.

But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
Skype I could get.

Who says?

I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I
could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop.

Perhaps I could unintall Skype Preview, but it's not listed in Programs
and Features.

So, perhaps I could install a different version over it. Other posters
wrote about that but IIRC, it wasn't certain to work.

snip

Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and
then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win
7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the
latest version.


That's probably because they call what I have Skype Preview, although
even though it's "new" it's version 10. something.

Anyhow that must be the difference. My computer was also upgraded from
7 but it probably didn't have Skype at the time. OR Skype Preview
wan't part of the origina 10 install, but it came later. I wouldn't be
surprised if it will come to you too. Maybe you can turn off automatic
updates for Skype. Although other than losing the ability to call in
for a mike and speaker test, it's not so bad now that I manage to find
Light Mode. And I was wrong about Echo/Sound Test Service not working
in XP. Maybe I clicked wrong because a touchpad instead of plugging in
a mouse but it worked the next time I tried it on XP. And it works in
win10 too -- it's in the list of numbers you have called --

But there is still a substantial problem with Skype Preview. Skype in
XP has iirc the ability to test and set the level of the microphone
without calling the Test Service. This is much faster and easier than
calling the Test Service. and I've looked all over Preview one more time
and it's not there. So they didnt' totally ruin it but they weakened
it.

How about uninstalling Skype Preview as shown he

https://www.perfectcloud.org/fix-it/...in-windows-10/

and then installing full Skype as shown he

https://www.skype.com/en/download-sk...-for-computer/
  #56  
Old December 3rd 16, 07:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why did they ruin Skype

In message , micky
writes:
[]
I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them
did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a
trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago
to say that my Windows license had been suspended.).


Did he have an Asian accent, and ask you to run such-and-such a tool so
he could take control of your machine to help you "fix" it (-:?
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  #57  
Old December 3rd 16, 09:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:33:34
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

In message , micky
writes:
[]
I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them
did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a
trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago
to say that my Windows license had been suspended.).


Did he have an Asian accent, and ask you to run such-and-such a tool so
he could take control of your machine to help you "fix" it (-:?


No accent! Other than American. It was, a recorded message which I in
turn recorded on my answering machine so a) I didn't hear all of it, b)
I'm going to let the two machines sort it out. My answering machine
has more business sense than I do.
  #58  
Old December 4th 16, 06:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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micky on Sat, 03 Dec 2016 15:59:31 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:33:34
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

In message , micky
writes:
[]
I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them
did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a
trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago
to say that my Windows license had been suspended.).


Did he have an Asian accent, and ask you to run such-and-such a tool so
he could take control of your machine to help you "fix" it (-:?


No accent! Other than American. It was, a recorded message which I in
turn recorded on my answering machine so a) I didn't hear all of it, b)
I'm going to let the two machines sort it out. My answering machine
has more business sense than I do.


"Have your machine call my machine, we'll do lunch.".
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  #59  
Old December 4th 16, 05:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 3 Dec 2016 12:44:24
-0500, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:38:22
-0500, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote:
Rant number 75.

For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview
and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better
things to come, it's the only Skype you can get.

But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that
didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it
but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only
Skype I could get.

Who says?

I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I
could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop.

Perhaps I could unintall Skype Preview, but it's not listed in Programs
and Features.

So, perhaps I could install a different version over it. Other posters
wrote about that but IIRC, it wasn't certain to work.

snip

Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and
then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win
7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the
latest version.


That's probably because they call what I have Skype Preview, although
even though it's "new" it's version 10. something.

Anyhow that must be the difference. My computer was also upgraded from
7 but it probably didn't have Skype at the time. OR Skype Preview
wan't part of the origina 10 install, but it came later. I wouldn't be
surprised if it will come to you too. Maybe you can turn off automatic
updates for Skype. Although other than losing the ability to call in
for a mike and speaker test, it's not so bad now that I manage to find
Light Mode. And I was wrong about Echo/Sound Test Service not working
in XP. Maybe I clicked wrong because a touchpad instead of plugging in
a mouse but it worked the next time I tried it on XP. And it works in
win10 too -- it's in the list of numbers you have called --

But there is still a substantial problem with Skype Preview. Skype in
XP has iirc the ability to test and set the level of the microphone
without calling the Test Service. This is much faster and easier than
calling the Test Service. and I've looked all over Preview one more time
and it's not there. So they didnt' totally ruin it but they weakened
it.

How about uninstalling Skype Preview as shown he

https://www.perfectcloud.org/fix-it/...in-windows-10/


Wow. Who would've thunk it? Thanks.

and then installing full Skype as shown he

https://www.skype.com/en/download-sk...-for-computer/


 




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