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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
Mayayana wrote:
If you decide to try installing 7 on a "modern" system you might look at things like this: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11182...-windows-7-x64 Apparently it's possible but a hassle. I'm guessing Paul might stop by soon to explain that better. With an article title like that, how could I do better ? :-) That's the kind of article I would run off and look for. Paul |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On 15/01/2018 21:05, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-01-15 14:24, Maurice wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:10:21 -0500, Big Al wrote: I've seen referbs on Newegg that are Win7. Â*Â* Yes, seen some like that, but I'm really nervous about refurbs... A good source for refurbs is a local computer-maintenance shop, who will have off-lease machines from the businesses they serve. They will not refurb a machine unless it's in good physical shape. A lot of businesses have a two- to three-year replacement cycle, so you should be able to get a refurb with W7 or 8 on it. Like Phil Edmonson says about used cars: the best source is the dealer, since they only keep the best trade-ins for their used-car lot. Good luck, I agree with Wolf K about the computer-maintenance shops. Ideal source for tried and tested used machines. Another good source "can be" a local market if it has a resident computer stall. (Don't what ever you do use a casual stall. Ask adjacent traders for their opinions.). Usually run by geeks, they can often get hold of good quality used machines, and re-install any operating system to your requirements together with trying and testing before passing it on. jim |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On 01/15/2018 6:22 PM, jbm wrote:
On 15/01/2018 21:05, Wolf K wrote: On 2018-01-15 14:24, Maurice wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:10:21 -0500, Big Al wrote: I've seen referbs on Newegg that are Win7. Â*Â* Yes, seen some like that, but I'm really nervous about refurbs... A good source for refurbs is a local computer-maintenance shop, who will have off-lease machines from the businesses they serve. They will not refurb a machine unless it's in good physical shape. A lot of businesses have a two- to three-year replacement cycle, so you should be able to get a refurb with W7 or 8 on it. Like Phil Edmonson says about used cars: the best source is the dealer, since they only keep the best trade-ins for their used-car lot. Good luck, I agree with Wolf K about the computer-maintenance shops. Ideal source for tried and tested used machines. Another good source "can be" a local market if it has a resident computer stall. (Don't what ever you do use a casual stall. Ask adjacent traders for their opinions.). Usually run by geeks, they can often get hold of good quality used machines, and re-install any operating system to your requirements together with trying and testing before passing it on. jim Why in hell would he need another outdated junker, He's got one already that he wants to replace. Rene |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:55:20 -0700, KenW wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:35:07 -0000 (UTC), Maurice wrote: Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7 installed, but difficult to find. The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied: "No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to install the OS. Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer." Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have) W7 installed? Nothing wrong with Win 10. It can be tamed. Nothing but BS hype about it. KenW Ken, I don't use win10, I tried it but reverted to 7 over some issue I forget. I now run a dual system with linux mint and win7 (for macrium image backup only). However, I do help out with others in my community. The other day someone was having a strange problem with 10 and I suggested a cold restart. This we did and after the 1/2 hour or so we had to wait for the system to come up all was fine. Win10 was kind enough to tell us to wait while it installed updates and if people like yourself are happy living with that ok, but I'm not. Win10 seems to run well enough, but then so does my old win7 laptop. I would add that this wasn't the first time I had to wait while win10 updated and suspect the reason I was helping the people with a win10 problem was because they never waited for updates to complete. |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:44:21 +0000, Good Guy wrote:
Which one? PC Specialist Try Novatech: https://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/home/ I know of them and have sent an email enquiry. The $64 question is: Can they supply one with W7 installed?! What I want to avoid is having to move over to W8 or W10 and then have to therefore obtain a newer version of the video editor (Pinnacle Studio) - with which I am familiar and want to avoid starting all over again with a different version. That's why I need a Windows 7 PC... -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:12:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
you can get them from Dell. See http://pilot.search.dell.com/windows%207 Ah, yes, I can see some W7 desktops there, but when I look at their UK web site there is no such thing (part from W7 general support). Mmm... -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:17:58 +0100, DAN wrote:
Keep your legacy on win7, and take the time to discover win10 at your leisure. But that assumes W7 will install/work on new PC. I've already met W10 on my HP probook, and cannot get on with it. But the reason I want to stay with W7 is so I don't have to change video editor and start all over again with a steep video-editing learning curve. I may not have all that much time left... -- /\/\aurice (Age: 84) (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:44:21 +0000, Good Guy wrote: Which one? PC Specialist Try Novatech: https://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/home/ I know of them and have sent an email enquiry. The $64 question is: Can they supply one with W7 installed?! What I want to avoid is having to move over to W8 or W10 and then have to therefore obtain a newer version of the video editor (Pinnacle Studio) - with which I am familiar and want to avoid starting all over again with a different version. That's why I need a Windows 7 PC... What version of Pinnacle Studio do you have? You may be able to run it under Windows 10 in compatibility mode. |
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:28:55 -0500, Big Al wrote:
That $500+ link is not a referb. OK - will take a look. ThankS! -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:31:46 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have to agree with Ken, Buy yourself a nice new system with Windows 10 From a different supplier than previous. You'll have full warranty and an up todate system, And when you learn to use and Optimize it You will be happy for a long term, Win 7 is OK but outdated It's still supported until January 2020. I wouldn't install it on a new system, but I wouldn't call it "outdated" either. It does what I want, every day... -- s|b |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:35:07 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote: Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7 installed, but difficult to find. The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied: "No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to install the OS. Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer." Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have) W7 installed? try a UK surplus store www.morgancomputers.co.uk Plenty of refurb PCs and laptops here, many with Win7. They seem to mainly come from end of lease or end of line stock. The Lenovo laptops we use at work seem to have been chosen to survive our workforce carrying them everywhere and support a 4G SIM card. -- Stephen |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:55:20 -0700, KenW wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:35:07 -0000 (UTC), Maurice wrote: Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7 installed, but difficult to find. The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied: "No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to install the OS. Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer." Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have) W7 installed? Nothing wrong with Win 10. It can be tamed. Nothing but BS hype about it. KenW Ken, I don't use win10, I tried it but reverted to 7 over some issue I forget. I now run a dual system with linux mint and win7 (for macrium image backup only). However, I do help out with others in my community. The other day someone was having a strange problem with 10 and I suggested a cold restart. This we did and after the 1/2 hour or so we had to wait for the system to come up all was fine. Win10 was kind enough to tell us to wait while it installed updates and if people like yourself are happy living with that ok, but I'm not. Win10 seems to run well enough, but then so does my old win7 laptop. I would add that this wasn't the first time I had to wait while win10 updated and suspect the reason I was helping the people with a win10 problem was because they never waited for updates to complete. On a few updates, there seems to be an interaction between the act of putting the files into the Windows 10 folder, and the behavior of the desktop. The end result is, Windows 10 desktop, menus stop working, clicking on icons isn't launching stuff, and so on. Which I always interpret as Microsoft saying "hey, we *really* need you to reboot now, won't you reboot for us ? Pretty please ? Or you'll get it in the kneecaps". After a reboot, the menu problems disappear. Not all updates do that. Only a few. And some users would probably panic and hit the power button out of frustration, which is an unhelpful response in this situation. Try to use alt-f4 to get to the restart menu, if all else fails. Click the desktop surface, press alt-f4, and you can get to reboot if you want. Even Task Manager is an App, so it won't necessarily be there when you need it. I have experimented with both HDD and SSD storage devices, and the "Windows 10 experience" is more tolerable with an SSD. So if your community is shopping for storage, it's a tiny SSD for Windows 10 (60GB is plenty), and the other drive can be an HDD to store your movie collection. Using an SSD just for the Windows folder, ensures fast Windows Defender scans, and fast PendMove activity on updates. A giant processor helps a bit, but isn't the killer purchase you'd think it would be. A single core CPU is pretty slow. My laptop has that. A dual core CPU is pretty well a minimum. If someone is searching for new kit, I'd recommend a quad core CPU, simply because this trend is headed in the wrong direction. If you don't need a quad today, Firefox will need it tomorrow. Windows maintenance activity tends to cap itself at "half your CPU complex resources". If you're waiting for Windows Defender to finish scanning, in theory it could have been running twice as fast, if it used all the cores. There's no metric in there to notice the user is no longer standing in front of the computer, and so the throttle could be moved to the 100% level. They only move to the 50% level, even if the user has left the room. This annoyance (until I can figure out a way to fix it) means that having a larger processor than necessary, helps, but not as much as it couldm given a different "back-off" design. If the users set their machines to sleep after two hours of inactivity, it's possible that Windows can automatically reboot after an update. I've seen my test machine wake up at night, just for the purpose of rebooting and doing 20 minutes of wheel spin, then go back to sleep. So that's another possibility you can experiment with, as a community leader. I don't normally run the Win10 machine that way, but did get caught by surprise once, so that's an avenue to explore. If the machine has permission to screw around on its own, and you set the "usage hours" panel, you just might get lucky. I don't have the patience it would take, and days of testing, to get that working properly. And it's unclear how you'd do that safely on a laptop, as you don't want a laptop waking up in somebodies backpack and doing 20 minutes of "backpack heating". Paul |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:17:23 -0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote in Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7 installed, but difficult to find. Take a look at Dell Refurbished. I've been using one for two years. They are great. Here's are a bunch that come with Win7 installed. https://www.dellrefurbished.com/desk...ing_system=214 -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:44:21 +0000, Good Guy wrote: Which one? PC Specialist Try Novatech: https://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/home/ I know of them and have sent an email enquiry. The $64 question is: Can they supply one with W7 installed?! What I want to avoid is having to move over to W8 or W10 and then have to therefore obtain a newer version of the video editor (Pinnacle Studio) - with which I am familiar and want to avoid starting all over again with a different version. That's why I need a Windows 7 PC... I encourage you to also consider running a 'virtual machine' (VM). The VM can run Win 7 while the host can run Win8 or *cough* Win10. It's not as daunting as it may seem, but you'd need a license for the Win7 VM. -- Char Jackson |
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On 16/01/2018 20:19, Stephen wrote:
Plenty of refurb PCs and laptops here, many with Win7. So your advice is to buy another clunker to avoid using Windows 10? Are you off your meds? -- With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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