Please stop calling them apps!

In article , Tim Slattery
wrote:

I remember that "killer app" thing, but not till the 90's at least. But
then there was no internet, so terms travelled slower.

that's the point.

the term *was* used in the 80s and even the 70s, but relatively few
people had computers then.

I agree. As I remember, the original "killer app" that persuaded many
to buy computers was spreadsheets - specifically VisCalc. That was
early 80's.

i had some time today to dig this up - an early use of the term app was
back in 1985 with framework ii from ashton tate, which was a dos app
that had an 'apps' menu:
https://www.osnews.com/img/24882/apps.PNG

On Fri, 17 May 2019 21:17:24 +0100, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 03:07:21 +0100, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:25:18 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 5/16/19 11:24 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

It doesn't surprise me Apple has something to do with it. They've
****ed computing up for decades.

"I REALLY don't want an iPhone" - the first thing I thought when seeing
the desktop of Windows 8

Indeed.

.com. :P Ditto. I miss the old designs like 3D buttons, toolbars, etc.

What's with this modern flat ****? It's not like it actually makes the display thinner.

Yeah, it's more confusing with flat designs.

You know what else I hate? Self opening menus on websites. Reminds me of macs. I pass my mouse over a menu title, and the ****ing thing opens in the way of where I was moving the cursor to. Nothing should respond until clicked! Your front door doesn't open when you look at it, you have to turn the handle!

In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:


You know what else I hate?

truth

Self opening menus on websites. Reminds me of
macs. I pass my mouse over a menu title, and the ****ing thing opens in the
way of where I was moving the cursor to. Nothing should respond until
clicked!

macs don't do that.

Your front door doesn't open when you look at it, you have to turn the handle!

actually, it does, and that's a good thing.

*many* stores, office buildings, airports and other places have doors
that open when someone approaches, which is particularly convenient
when the person's hands are full carrying bags.

some garage door openers use proximity sensors so that the garage door
goes up as the person's vehicle approaches.

On Fri, 17 May 2019 19:55:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 17/05/2019 20.47, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 00:51:27 +0100, notX wrote:

On 5/16/19 12:10 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I must of thought that once. I remember looking as some source code and
one of the error messages was "not enough memory to execute child".

Probably a programmer with a sense of humour.

Or who actually wanted to execute (run) a child program.

Whoever wrote that error message was obviously having a laugh.

Indeed :-)

I agree with your indeed Master Teal'c.

On 5/17/19 6:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
IÂ*don'tÂ*knowÂ*anyoneÂ*whoÂ*callsÂ*theirÂ*browser Â*google.Â*Â*TheyÂ*sayÂ*"chrome".

I get it all-the-time.

q. what browser are you using?
a. I don't have one

q. how do you surf the Internet
a. Google

q. what does the icon look like that you click on
a. Its Google (annoyed voice)

q. describe the google icon
a. look like an orange fox chasing his tail


You get the picture

:'(

On 5/17/19 6:23 AM, AnthonyL wrote:

[snip]

It's curious isn't it because there was this soft change from
Directories to Folders, probably when graphical interfaces came in,
but if execute the DIR instruction in a Command (MSDOS) window then
folders show up with DIR against them to show they are, err,
Folders!

"Folders" are the precursor to a messy floor, and don't belong in computers.

On 5/17/19 11:00 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
nospam wrote:

I remember that "killer app" thing, but not till the 90's at least. But
then there was no internet, so terms travelled slower.

that's the point.

the term *was* used in the 80s and even the 70s, but relatively few
people had computers then.

I agree. As I remember, the original "killer app" that persuaded many
to buy computers was spreadsheets - specifically VisCalc. That was
early 80's.

I had the last version of VisiCalc from MicroPro, before they changed
their name after people kept calling it VisiCalc.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Freedom begins between the ears."

On 5/17/19 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I must of thought that once. I remember looking as some source code and
one of the error messages was "not enough memory to execute child".

Probably a programmer with a sense of humour.

Or who actually wanted to execute (run) a child program.

Whoever wrote that error message was obviously having a laugh.

The message was just not otherated*, but laugh all you want.

* - made to fit other people's expectations, essentially "dumbed down".

Also, the C source had a lot of lines like:

char page
char key
char field

These declare character variables, but a friend kept insisting they
meant "chapter".

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Freedom begins between the ears."

On 5/17/2019 7:24 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 5/17/19 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I must of thought that once. I remember looking as some source code
and
one of the error messages was "not enough memory to execute child".

Probably a programmer with a sense of humour.

Or who actually wanted to execute (run) a child program.

Whoever wrote that error message was obviously having a laugh.

The message was just not otherated*, but laugh all you want.

* - made to fit other people's expectations, essentially "dumbed down".

Also, the C source had a lot of lines like:

char page
char key
char field

These declare character variables, but a friend kept insisting they
meant "chapter".

Hmm, these guys did eventually create Inferno.
[ char-coal anyone? ]
Burn baby, burn... :-)
--
==
Later...
Ron C
--

On 5/17/19 3:08 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I continue to be astonished at the small size of the you inhabit.

That was terrible English.* I can't even work out what you meant to write.

I think I did, although the statement would make more sense with the
right word before "you".

Maybe you are excused in this case as you live in Scotland. However,
you should be aware tha in places closer to the equator skin cancer is
is a scourge, particularly (but not exclusively) in fair skinned
people.

Only because they use suncream.* Your body naturally protects itself.
Take two people, one who goes out in the sun a fair bit, and one who is
pasty white.* Take them both to a hot country.* The white one will burn
way more.

In the same way "killing germs" is inappropriate for most people.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Freedom begins between the ears."

On 5/17/19 3:09 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

What's with this modern flat ****?* It's not like it actually makes the
display thinner.

It's simpler, and does what it needs to with less fake stuff that
doesn't really belong on a PC screen.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Freedom begins between the ears."

On 5/17/19 3:22 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

we have to cooperate with him: open, close, rinse...

I can never open my mouth far enough for her to get inside properly, I'm
not Aerosmith.

I'm like that, it's that "open wide" stuff I find unpleasant when seeing
the dentist. Compared to that, the needle is a minor thing.

BTW, putting in fillings seems to be going faster. It's the crown I got
tired of keeping my mouth open for.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Freedom begins between the ears."

On 5/17/19 4:54 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

You don't need to run, just move enough to impede the operation.

That reminds me of a sign in the waiting room "If you think you are
waiting too long, we will gladly reschedule your appointment".

That is, you get to do even more waiting.

[snip]

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Freedom begins between the ears."

On 5/17/19 4:59 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

You know what else I hate?* Self opening menus on websites.* Reminds me
of macs.* I pass my mouse over a menu title, and the ****ing thing opens
in the way of where I was moving the cursor to.* Nothing should respond
until clicked!* Your front door doesn't open when you look at it, you
have to turn the handle!

I've had more than one laptop with a self-clicking touchpad. It led to
several premature usenet posts because I was just moving the pointer
over "send", and it decided to click itself.

BTW, the current laptop has the touchpad disabled and a wireless
trackball attached.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Freedom begins between the ears."

On Fri, 17 May 2019 21:06:11 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2019 01:47:49 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 15:20:16 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 07:01:11 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 00:30:35 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 00:06:47 +0100, Apd wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:
I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on
my computer? Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word
anymore? If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?

When I started programming in the 70s we wrote computer programs. I
don't remember when or why "application" became popular. It sounds
like a poultice you apply to an infected wound. So, yes, I prefer
"program".

I also laugh at "execute" the program. It sounds like you want it killed. And an "executive" in a business should be the one that chops off people's heads when they misbehave.

"executing" a program dates back to before you were born and has a
very good reason for it's usage. In those early days one loaded a
program into the computer and it sat there, fat and happy, doing
absolutely nothing. Then when you had the courage to try it, you
issued the command "execute", whereupon it leaped into life (or death)
and did whatever you had actually asked it to do (not necassarily what
you had though you had asked it to do).

The term has a naval background. In the days of ail the officer in
charge of the deck would issue a command e.g. 'Prepare to luff", where
upon members of the crew would leap to various ropes, lines, sheets
and haliards, getting ready to do whatever had to be done. At the
appropriate moment (maybe in the midst of a close tacking duel) the
officer would issue the command 'Execute!' whereupon sheaves would
whir, ropes would run, and yards and booms would swing round to their
new position.

If you go to the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary you will find
the word 'execute' has various threads of meaning all dataing from
Middle English and having something to do with the performance of
something or other.

Well it's not used that way now. If Mr Smith is executed, he's gone to the electric chair.

What you are really saying is that that is the only meaning for the
word 'execute' of which you are aware. From my previous experience
with you, I expect you will continue to deny that the word has any
other meaning.

It doesn't for normal people. Of course you get the weird bank manager types who execute activities instead of carrying them out.

I suppose you think that "the sentence has been executed" applies only
to word processors.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens