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Classic Shell
On 10/3/2013 4:29 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:49 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2jpf3$udd$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/3/2013 2:48 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/3/13 3:50 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/3/2013 3:23 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 7:08 PM, Nil wrote: On 02 Oct 2013, Alias wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: On 10/2/2013 8:15 PM, Nil wrote: And that makes it all right? No, but what in the world is all right today? So, you admit that it's not right to take the man's software without paying for it. Then why do you support that? It's not in his pocket. I personally have no use for the program. What I do can't be stolen. You're avoiding the issue. You seem to support people taking software that doesn't belong to them. Do you also support people taking things from you that don't belong to them? Doubt if you get a sensible answer. I asked him if he had anything he wanted me to steal from him, all he did was ask if I was naive. No, I asked have you been this naive all your life. Your being naive wasn't in question. You do not know me, or if I am naive. I know you're being naive. I know I'm honest, are you? Really? You've never told a lie? But we know you appear to be a thief. No, it's legal and not theft to use a copy of software, music or videos where I live. I am not depriving the owners of their software. They still have it and no one stole it from them. No, you are depriving them of the fruits of their labor - that is, payment for the service they provided to you by writing the software, performing the music, etc. You're assuming one would buy if one couldn't download it. In civilized countries, that is considered theft. And to which "civilized" countries are you referring? -- Alias The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity. |
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Classic Shell
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:54:12 +0200, "Alias"
wrote in article l2k0et$756$2 @dont-email.me... On 10/3/2013 4:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 01:09:30 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2i93f$2e7$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/2/2013 7:27 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 19:14:36 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2hka2$19r$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/2/2013 6:23 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 10:06 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/2/2013 5:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 8:51 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/2/2013 4:12 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:00:38 -0600, "Ken Springer" wrote in article l2h8u3$52r$1 @speranza.aioe.org... On 10/2/13 5:00 AM, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2013 3:42 AM, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:35:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 8/26/2013 5:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 03:35:01 -0500, CRNG wrote: snip As far as I'm concerned, $4.99 is close enough to free. I don't mind paying for it. If you've found it for free, care to share? snip pirate link So, you believe in stealing????? And for a measly $5 even. Petty theft, a misdemeanor in the USA. Course, some countries like Spain have laws that if it's for personal use and not for profit, downloading from The Pirate Bay is completely legal and not considered theft. You do know that this group can be accessed by folks not in the USA or do you? I do, but taking something that doesn't belong to you is still theft, no matter how small. It's only theft if the law says it's theft. Ask MS and Apple what they took from Xerox. Did they activate before using what they took? Negative, sir. If you have morals, and live by them, it's theft. The law just provides consequences acceptable to the majority of society. Give me a ****ing break and get off your high moral horse. No one steals, right? Not Wall Street, not the politicians, the oil companies, the banks? And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a big part of what is wrong with our society today - "it's OK for me to steal since those folks did bad things too! See, I'm entitled!" Doesn't matter if the law provides you an exemption. Doesn't matter if someone else is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if you can justify it to yourself. It is still wrong. And you're still on your high moral horse as if you were a bloody saint. How does it feel to be morally perfect? Never said I was morally perfect. Then don't throw stones. Only those without fault can find error in another? That would pretty well eliminate the entire justice system. Sorry, I don't ascribe to such nonsense. I strive toward that high mark however, yet I'm constantly aware of my failings. The difference, apparently, is that I recognize them as failings. If you hadn't eaten for a week, would you steal food? So you are saying your theft of software is the moral equivalent of stealing food for survival? That is ludicrous. -- Zaphod Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven years in a row. |
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Classic Shell
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:56:17 +0200, "Alias"
wrote in article l2k0iq$756$3 @dont-email.me... On 10/3/2013 4:29 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:49 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2jpf3$udd$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/3/2013 2:48 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/3/13 3:50 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/3/2013 3:23 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 7:08 PM, Nil wrote: On 02 Oct 2013, Alias wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: On 10/2/2013 8:15 PM, Nil wrote: And that makes it all right? No, but what in the world is all right today? So, you admit that it's not right to take the man's software without paying for it. Then why do you support that? It's not in his pocket. I personally have no use for the program. What I do can't be stolen. You're avoiding the issue. You seem to support people taking software that doesn't belong to them. Do you also support people taking things from you that don't belong to them? Doubt if you get a sensible answer. I asked him if he had anything he wanted me to steal from him, all he did was ask if I was naive. No, I asked have you been this naive all your life. Your being naive wasn't in question. You do not know me, or if I am naive. I know you're being naive. I know I'm honest, are you? Really? You've never told a lie? But we know you appear to be a thief. No, it's legal and not theft to use a copy of software, music or videos where I live. I am not depriving the owners of their software. They still have it and no one stole it from them. No, you are depriving them of the fruits of their labor - that is, payment for the service they provided to you by writing the software, performing the music, etc. You're assuming one would buy if one couldn't download it. No, I'm asserting that you have no moral right to make use of it without paying for it. Whether or not you would pay for it if you couldn't easily steal it is immaterial. In civilized countries, that is considered theft. And to which "civilized" countries are you referring? Apparently, not yours. -- Zaphod Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, ya know? - Gag Halfrunt |
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On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:49 +0200, Alias wrote:
But we know you appear to be a thief. No, it's legal and not theft to use a copy of software, music or videos where I live. I am not depriving the owners of their software. They still have it and no one stole it from them. Can we add logic impaired to your naivety? You *are* denying the creator of the software income from his software. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Classic Shell vs Start 8
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Alias wrote:
On 10/3/2013 4:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 01:09:30 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2i93f$2e7$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/2/2013 7:27 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 19:14:36 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2hka2$19r$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/2/2013 6:23 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 10:06 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/2/2013 5:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 8:51 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/2/2013 4:12 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:00:38 -0600, "Ken Springer" wrote in article l2h8u3$52r$1 @speranza.aioe.org... On 10/2/13 5:00 AM, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2013 3:42 AM, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:35:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 8/26/2013 5:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 03:35:01 -0500, CRNG wrote: snip As far as I'm concerned, $4.99 is close enough to free. I don't mind paying for it. If you've found it for free, care to share? snip pirate link So, you believe in stealing????? And for a measly $5 even. Petty theft, a misdemeanor in the USA. Course, some countries like Spain have laws that if it's for personal use and not for profit, downloading from The Pirate Bay is completely legal and not considered theft. You do know that this group can be accessed by folks not in the USA or do you? I do, but taking something that doesn't belong to you is still theft, no matter how small. It's only theft if the law says it's theft. Ask MS and Apple what they took from Xerox. Did they activate before using what they took? Negative, sir. If you have morals, and live by them, it's theft. The law just provides consequences acceptable to the majority of society. Give me a ****ing break and get off your high moral horse. No one steals, right? Not Wall Street, not the politicians, the oil companies, the banks? And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a big part of what is wrong with our society today - "it's OK for me to steal since those folks did bad things too! See, I'm entitled!" Doesn't matter if the law provides you an exemption. Doesn't matter if someone else is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if you can justify it to yourself. It is still wrong. And you're still on your high moral horse as if you were a bloody saint. How does it feel to be morally perfect? Never said I was morally perfect. Then don't throw stones. He's not throwing stones; he's teaching. What are you going to tell kids? "Well, it's wrong to steal; except maybe in circumstance A or possibly a combination of circumstance B with C (provided that circumstances T and Y have previously occurred)." No! You teach them the moral normative rule. "It's wrong to steal". And why do you do that? Because kids come out of the womb knowing no better. And if you don't teach them otherwise they'll steal and kill and create a hell on Earth. Little gangster babies, feeding their needs with antisocial and criminal behaviour. Ever read William Goldings' "Lord of The Flies"? Ed |
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Zaphod Beeblebrox has written on 10/2/2013 1:27 PM:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 19:14:36 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2hka2$19r$1 @dont-email.me... Give me a ****ing break and get off your high moral horse. No one steals, right? Not Wall Street, not the politicians, the oil companies, the banks? And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a big part of what is wrong with our society today - "it's OK for me to steal since those folks did bad things too! See, I'm entitled!" Doesn't matter if the law provides you an exemption. Doesn't matter if someone else is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if you can justify it to yourself. It is still wrong. Hear, hear!! |
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Classic Shell
On 9/30/2013 3:35 AM, Ron wrote:
On 8/26/2013 5:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 03:35:01 -0500, CRNG wrote: I'm a long-time WinXPpro user. I'm wondering how familiar will Win8 with Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ look to me? Will there still be a long learning curve? You will find it very similar, but not exactly the same. How long it will take to get accustomed to it depends on you. And by the way, as far as I'm concerned Start 8 (not free, but very inexpensive--only $4.99) will make the Windows 8 interface even more like the older interfaces, and that's what I recommend. After using Classic Shell, I will agree that Start 8 is much better.....especially for free if you can find it Why do you think Start 8 is much better than Classic Shell. |
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:49 +0200, Alias wrote: But we know you appear to be a thief. No, it's legal and not theft to use a copy of software, music or videos where I live. I am not depriving the owners of their software. They still have it and no one stole it from them. Can we add logic impaired to your naivety? You *are* denying the creator of the software income from his software. And undermining much of western capitalism. How could anyone go to the bank with a projection sheet of likely profits if any Tom, Dick or Harry could come along and just steal it? Ed |
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On 03 Oct 2013, "
wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: Becuase removing programs in control panel almost always leaves a bun ch of registry entries behind I use either Revo Pro (for the 30day free trial) or 'Geek' or 'IOBit Uninstaller, "That's the power of Pine Sol Baby.." In general, I trust the original programs uninstaller to know what to delete. Which is not to say that they all do their job well. But I don't resort to a 3rd-party uninstaller unless I detect a problem. I believe that 3rd-party uninstallers can be too aggressive and potentially remove things they shouldn't. If you have observed the OP, you've already seen that he's a menace to his computer and how he's somehow able to hose things up with even the safest of tools. I shudder to think what he can do one that has an "expert mode". |
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On 03 Oct 2013, Alias wrote
in alt.comp.os.windows-8: Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt wrong! Theft is a legal not a moral issue. Where I live it is not theft. Ergo, I am not a thief. Of course it's a moral issue. It may not put you in jail, but it's still theft to be taking someone's potential income from them. The software in question does not belong to you until you pay for it, at which time the author is compensates for his time, effort, and expertise. If you don't pay what he asks for his software, you are stealing money from his pocket. Whether or not there's a loophole in your local laws, it's still theft, and I believe it's still wrong. From your stance, I can see that you must believe: - there was no such thing as theft before a law was made against it; - everything wrong or immoral has an existing law against it; - that if there is no existing law against it, it is right and moral; - that if a law says its legal, it is right and moral; - that it would be perfectly OK for someone to profit from the fruits of your labor without your consent and without compensating you. The software developer is trying to make a living. Why would you intentionally try to prevent them from succeeding? Their product is only $5 - surely anyone can afford such a small amount, even someone with an undeserved sense of entitlement as yourself. |
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On 10/3/2013 8:42 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Alias wrote: On 10/3/2013 4:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 01:09:30 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2i93f$2e7$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/2/2013 7:27 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 19:14:36 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2hka2$19r$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/2/2013 6:23 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 10:06 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/2/2013 5:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 8:51 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/2/2013 4:12 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:00:38 -0600, "Ken Springer" wrote in article l2h8u3$52r$1 @speranza.aioe.org... On 10/2/13 5:00 AM, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2013 3:42 AM, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:35:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 8/26/2013 5:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 03:35:01 -0500, CRNG wrote: snip As far as I'm concerned, $4.99 is close enough to free. I don't mind paying for it. If you've found it for free, care to share? snip pirate link So, you believe in stealing????? And for a measly $5 even. Petty theft, a misdemeanor in the USA. Course, some countries like Spain have laws that if it's for personal use and not for profit, downloading from The Pirate Bay is completely legal and not considered theft. You do know that this group can be accessed by folks not in the USA or do you? I do, but taking something that doesn't belong to you is still theft, no matter how small. It's only theft if the law says it's theft. Ask MS and Apple what they took from Xerox. Did they activate before using what they took? Negative, sir. If you have morals, and live by them, it's theft. The law just provides consequences acceptable to the majority of society. Give me a ****ing break and get off your high moral horse. No one steals, right? Not Wall Street, not the politicians, the oil companies, the banks? And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a big part of what is wrong with our society today - "it's OK for me to steal since those folks did bad things too! See, I'm entitled!" Doesn't matter if the law provides you an exemption. Doesn't matter if someone else is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if you can justify it to yourself. It is still wrong. And you're still on your high moral horse as if you were a bloody saint. How does it feel to be morally perfect? Never said I was morally perfect. Then don't throw stones. He's not throwing stones; he's teaching. As if. What are you going to tell kids? "Well, it's wrong to steal; Of course. except maybe in circumstance A or possibly a combination of circumstance B with C (provided that circumstances T and Y have previously occurred)." No! You teach them the moral normative rule. "It's wrong to steal". In Spain it isn't stealing. And why do you do that? Because kids come out of the womb knowing no better. And if you don't teach them otherwise they'll steal and kill and create a hell on Earth. Little gangster babies, feeding their needs with antisocial and criminal behaviour. Ever read William Goldings' "Lord of The Flies"? Ed I probably read it before you were born. -- Alias The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity. |
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Classic Shell
On 10/3/2013 7:36 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:54:12 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2k0et$756$2 @dont-email.me... On 10/3/2013 4:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 01:09:30 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2i93f$2e7$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/2/2013 7:27 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 19:14:36 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2hka2$19r$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/2/2013 6:23 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 10:06 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/2/2013 5:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 8:51 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/2/2013 4:12 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:00:38 -0600, "Ken Springer" wrote in article l2h8u3$52r$1 @speranza.aioe.org... On 10/2/13 5:00 AM, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2013 3:42 AM, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:35:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 8/26/2013 5:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 03:35:01 -0500, CRNG wrote: snip As far as I'm concerned, $4.99 is close enough to free. I don't mind paying for it. If you've found it for free, care to share? snip pirate link So, you believe in stealing????? And for a measly $5 even. Petty theft, a misdemeanor in the USA. Course, some countries like Spain have laws that if it's for personal use and not for profit, downloading from The Pirate Bay is completely legal and not considered theft. You do know that this group can be accessed by folks not in the USA or do you? I do, but taking something that doesn't belong to you is still theft, no matter how small. It's only theft if the law says it's theft. Ask MS and Apple what they took from Xerox. Did they activate before using what they took? Negative, sir. If you have morals, and live by them, it's theft. The law just provides consequences acceptable to the majority of society. Give me a ****ing break and get off your high moral horse. No one steals, right? Not Wall Street, not the politicians, the oil companies, the banks? And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a big part of what is wrong with our society today - "it's OK for me to steal since those folks did bad things too! See, I'm entitled!" Doesn't matter if the law provides you an exemption. Doesn't matter if someone else is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if you can justify it to yourself. It is still wrong. And you're still on your high moral horse as if you were a bloody saint. How does it feel to be morally perfect? Never said I was morally perfect. Then don't throw stones. Only those without fault can find error in another? That would pretty well eliminate the entire justice system. Sorry, I don't ascribe to such nonsense. Then keep finding fault. I strive toward that high mark however, yet I'm constantly aware of my failings. The difference, apparently, is that I recognize them as failings. If you hadn't eaten for a week, would you steal food? So you are saying your theft of software is the moral equivalent of stealing food for survival? That is ludicrous. No, I am saying that even an upstanding morally correct saint such as yourself would steal if the circumstances were right. That said, downloading from the Bay isn't stealing here so your point is mute. -- Alias The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity. |
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On 10/3/2013 7:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:56:17 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2k0iq$756$3 @dont-email.me... On 10/3/2013 4:29 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:49 +0200, "Alias" wrote in article l2jpf3$udd$1 @dont-email.me... On 10/3/2013 2:48 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/3/13 3:50 AM, Alias wrote: On 10/3/2013 3:23 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/2/13 7:08 PM, Nil wrote: On 02 Oct 2013, Alias wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8: On 10/2/2013 8:15 PM, Nil wrote: And that makes it all right? No, but what in the world is all right today? So, you admit that it's not right to take the man's software without paying for it. Then why do you support that? It's not in his pocket. I personally have no use for the program. What I do can't be stolen. You're avoiding the issue. You seem to support people taking software that doesn't belong to them. Do you also support people taking things from you that don't belong to them? Doubt if you get a sensible answer. I asked him if he had anything he wanted me to steal from him, all he did was ask if I was naive. No, I asked have you been this naive all your life. Your being naive wasn't in question. You do not know me, or if I am naive. I know you're being naive. I know I'm honest, are you? Really? You've never told a lie? But we know you appear to be a thief. No, it's legal and not theft to use a copy of software, music or videos where I live. I am not depriving the owners of their software. They still have it and no one stole it from them. No, you are depriving them of the fruits of their labor - that is, payment for the service they provided to you by writing the software, performing the music, etc. You're assuming one would buy if one couldn't download it. No, I'm asserting that you have no moral right to make use of it without paying for it. According to the law I do. Whether or not you would pay for it if you couldn't easily steal it is immaterial. Actually it isn't. Only rich folks like you would think that way. In civilized countries, that is considered theft. And to which "civilized" countries are you referring? Apparently, not yours. I don't own a country. Again, sigh, to which countries are you referring or did you just make that up? -- Alias The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity. |
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On 10/3/2013 8:13 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:49 +0200, Alias wrote: But we know you appear to be a thief. No, it's legal and not theft to use a copy of software, music or videos where I live. I am not depriving the owners of their software. They still have it and no one stole it from them. Can we add logic impaired to your naivety? You *are* denying the creator of the software income from his software. You are assuming it would be bought if the only way to get it was to pay. -- Alias The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity. |
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