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Password hints and settings
On 11/12/19 1:34 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/19 8:19 AM, Andy Burns wrote: Ken Springer wrote: For those of you who work in the industry as a job/profession, how do you handle making the settings and answering password hint questions? Just enter random unguessable **** for the answers, if joined to domain will use user/admin accounts from domain, if local admin password needs resetting will use PNordahl's USB boot, or just nuke it and re-start from fresh. Hi, Andy. And if the user, a paying customer, pushes back, is not happy with your work, how do you handle that situation? :-) https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html I proof read what I wrote, and I guess I still didn't get things across like I wanted. LOL What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you used for answers? -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0.2 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Password hints and settings
Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 1:34 PM, Paul wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/19 8:19 AM, Andy Burns wrote: Ken Springer wrote: For those of you who work in the industry as a job/profession, how do you handle making the settings and answering password hint questions? Just enter random unguessable **** for the answers, if joined to domain will use user/admin accounts from domain, if local admin password needs resetting will use PNordahl's USB boot, or just nuke it and re-start from fresh. Hi, Andy. And if the user, a paying customer, pushes back, is not happy with your work, how do you handle that situation? :-) https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html I proof read what I wrote, and I guess I still didn't get things across like I wanted. LOL What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you used for answers? There must be some way to populate those fields with " ". Even "Insert answer here" would do. Paul |
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On 11/12/19 4:06 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/19 1:34 PM, Paul wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/19 8:19 AM, Andy Burns wrote: Ken Springer wrote: For those of you who work in the industry as a job/profession, how do you handle making the settings and answering password hint questions? Just enter random unguessable **** for the answers, if joined to domain will use user/admin accounts from domain, if local admin password needs resetting will use PNordahl's USB boot, or just nuke it and re-start from fresh. Hi, Andy. And if the user, a paying customer, pushes back, is not happy with your work, how do you handle that situation? :-) https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html I proof read what I wrote, and I guess I still didn't get things across like I wanted. LOL What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you used for answers? There must be some way to populate those fields with " ". Even "Insert answer here" would do. That brings us back in a circle, what if the user doesn't like that. Now you have to show them the settings link, but that only works for MS. What about anything non-MS? Seems to me, the only way to put your best foot forward is to ask the customer up front what they want for the MS answers, and they have to worry about the other ones themselves. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0.2 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/12/19 4:06 PM, Paul wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/19 1:34 PM, Paul wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/19 8:19 AM, Andy Burns wrote: Ken Springer wrote: For those of you who work in the industry as a job/profession, how do you handle making the settings and answering password hint questions? Just enter random unguessable **** for the answers, if joined to domain will use user/admin accounts from domain, if local admin password needs resetting will use PNordahl's USB boot, or just nuke it and re-start from fresh. Hi, Andy. And if the user, a paying customer, pushes back, is not happy with your work, how do you handle that situation? :-) https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html I proof read what I wrote, and I guess I still didn't get things across like I wanted. LOL What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you used for answers? There must be some way to populate those fields with " ". Even "Insert answer here" would do. That brings us back in a circle, what if the user doesn't like that. Now you have to show them the settings link, but that only works for MS. What about anything non-MS? Seems to me, the only way to put your best foot forward is to ask the customer up front what they want for the MS answers, and they have to worry about the other ones themselves. The intention of OOBE, is that customers answer these themselves. (Out of Box Experience is the "feeling of having a new OS and getting to define the account for themselves".) However, the deceptive nature of the interface, makes that a bit difficult to reconcile. (I've already seen one report of someone entering an email address because they were tricked into an MSA. And that doesn't sound right to me. We can't have customers being tricked into entering the wrong things.) I don't see an easy answer, for the "easily tricked". They're either upset with you or upset with Microsoft. You could provide a document, showing how to enter the information correctly, for the local account choice, or the local account choice followed by the MSA choice (so the home directory receives the correct "friendly name" and not the machine generated one of an MSA). For example, say my email address is " and my real name is Frank Lloyd Wright. If I enter the local account, as Frank (and don't enter a last name), I get to have C:\users\frank\Downloads, which is short and easier to type. I can apply for my MSA later and get to keep the homedir. If I were to do the MSA first, my home directory ends up as C:\users\horra\Downloads and that really ****es most ordinary folks off. They want to feel like Frank, not the jokey random name they selected for their throwaway email. By showing these options, or providing an email sent to the customers old computer (before they un-crate the new one), you can provide a PDF showing sensible ways to use OOBE on the new computer. (You know, "untick all the telemetry boxes" :-) ) Paul |
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On 11/13/19 8:35 PM, Jim H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in , Ken Springer wrote: What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you used for answers? Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that. LOL Not a bad idea, though. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 69.0.2 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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"Jim H" wrote in message
... On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that. Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair users. -- Regards wasbit |
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On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote:
"Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that. Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair users. Ha! :-D Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!! |
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On 14/11/2019 15:42, Jim H wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:51:02 +0000, in , David wrote: On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote: "Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that. Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair users. Ha! :-D Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!! Neither British nor politically correct. Regardless, you had /me/ fooled, Jim! You have a nice way with words. :-) |
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On 14/11/2019 10:51, David wrote:
On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote: "Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that. Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair users. Ha! :-D Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!! Irrelevant, really, as the use of the word 'invalid' is perfectly fine in the UK. |
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On 14/11/2019 16:00, Chris wrote:
On 14/11/2019 10:51, David wrote: On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote: "Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that. Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair users. Ha! :-D Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!! Irrelevant, really, as the use of the word 'invalid' is perfectly fine in the UK. Well, maybe, but it's not nice to be one. :-( |
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On 14/11/2019 03:35, Jim H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in , Ken Springer wrote: What I was really trying to ask was, do you ask the customer for the answers before you start the job, or just hope they don't mind what you used for answers? Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that. I know a few people who put sweary messages in their passwords. Problem is no-one will be able to see them if the organisation is storing them properly. No site or organisation should be able to tell you what your password is: passwords should be stored encrypted with a salt. |
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David wrote:
On 14/11/2019 16:00, Chris wrote: On 14/11/2019 10:51, David wrote: On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote: "Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that. Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair users. Ha! :-D Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!! Irrelevant, really, as the use of the word 'invalid' is perfectly fine in the UK. Well, maybe, but it's not nice to be one. :-( You do realise that "invalid" doesn't need to, and never does, refer to a person. |
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On 14/11/2019 21:26, Chris wrote:
David wrote: On 14/11/2019 16:00, Chris wrote: On 14/11/2019 10:51, David wrote: On 14/11/2019 10:14, wasbit wrote: "Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:16 -0700, in Set the password to "Invalid" and then the security question doesn't matter because when you get the password wrong you'll get a message saying, "Your password is Invalid." Sorry, the devil made me say that. Your not allowed to do that in the UK as it's offensive to wheelchair users. Ha! :-D Here was I thinking Jim sounded very British!!! Irrelevant, really, as the use of the word 'invalid' is perfectly fine in the UK. Well, maybe, but it's not nice to be one. :-( You do realise that "invalid" doesn't need to, and never does, refer to a person. I do know where you're coming from! See - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specia...xIndex/Invalid However, my mother was classed as being an invalid for many years - she WAS a person! ;-) |
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