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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 7/27/2014 9:06 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
Another question what can win7 do that win8 can not please provide a list. of say ten points or more if you wish. There's probably nothing Windows 8 can't do that older systems could do, provided you're prepared to re-learn how to use a computer to work out how to do it. I disagree. Although it depends on what you do. If you only have new software and no old software, you would probably be better off with 7 or 8. But if you also have older software, the newer Windows versions just doesn't cut it. However, its default way of doing things is very counterintuitive to those who are accustomed to things that most previous operating systems all had, most Linux distros included. Those would include visible buttons to click, rather than just knowing that you had to swipe the mouse off a particular edge or corner with nothing to indicate that you're supposed to do this. It was about 10 seconds of counter intuitive for me. I learned a lot in that first 10 seconds too. :-) I don't think I'm too old to learn new stuff, but why should I have to, just to do what I could do before? Computers are supposed to serve our needs, not the other way around. It isn't that hard at all and the more you use it, the more it makes a lot of sense. Doing it otherwise would have been more counterproductive. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
Darklight opined:
Alias wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...nts_you_to_for get_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. There's nothing wrong with windows 8. Here's the thing i bet it is only old people who are complaining about win8. IE those who where around in the time of win 95. And those old people are on the way out, so windows does not care about the old only the young? As they are the ones who are going to be using it. And they are the ones who have growen up with mobile phones. No one like change! Querstion how old are you? Another question what can win7 do that win8 can not please provide a list. of say ten points or more if you wish. I'm enjoying my last year before I proceed into my 40s... So maybe I'm getting "old" - but NOT as old as some of these chronic geriatrics... My problem with Windows8x is the GUI vis-à-vis the XP interface... A major problem with Windows 8.1 metro screen is that you have so many threads going out upon startup BEFORE you even get to your desktop, and you really have to suss out the system to figure out what's calling who, when, and for what reason... The other thing is its attempts at automation - like system cleanups, updates and defrag -- these interfaces are clunky at best with not nearly as many options as with XP... Then there's the logic and malleability of the XP Start and Programs menus... of Windows Explorer... of Control Panel organization... These are all things that worked fine in the XP recipe - and while perhaps could have endured some tweaking, did NOT need to be replaced with the current jumble of disconnected "logic"... Now, you MAY be one of those folks who when your computer gets slow, or all loaded up with bloated usage files, takes your equipment to the tech shop for a cleaning and maintenance session - or perhaps your mommy and/or daddy just buy you a new one; but, Windows XP let us exercise some control over these machines with an organized and logical approach - an approach which could easily be modified from person to person and preference to preference... My Windows 8.1 is unaltered by 3rd party hacks thus far... because I've been trying to identify the logic which the programmers used to set up the GUI, but alas, there seems to be none except an effort to keep up with the Google store and emulate Apple.... I hate the way it automatically connects to Bing weather, the Windows store, MSN news and all those other charming little charms before you can even get to the desktop - WTF? Wouldn't "logic" present the desktop first, from whence you'd select what you want/need to do next??? What's the point of having all these slippy-slidey little toolbars to get to your workspace on a desktop? It's just razzle-dazzle with no apparent function... Windows 8x needs a patch (NOT a 3rd-party hack) which will send its usability back in the direction of XP while keeping any bone-fide "improvements" in operation, speed and security. My 2¢ -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; Repent, the end is near... Or just smoke 'em if you got 'em. |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 7/27/2014 9:34 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 9:06 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I don't think I'm too old to learn new stuff, but why should I have to, just to do what I could do before? Computers are supposed to serve our needs, not the other way around. It isn't that hard at all and the more you use it, the more it makes a lot of sense. Doing it otherwise would have been more counterproductive. Lots of things are better under 8 compared to 7. The Task Manager, file transfers, SSD support, Performance Monitor, On Screen Keyboard, Hybrid Sleep, faster booting, etc. are all better. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
Ed Cryer wrote:
Alias wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. That'd open the flood-gates. Just imagine if you took Windows out of the market. What would happen? My answer; You'd get lots and lots of people taking up the Win skeleton and tailoring it. MS would sue and win. Not gonna happen. The market would become overflowing with competing versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers, who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in and bring them to order. At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about it. Not true. They are a fad an low Ipad sales prove it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially office work; and those number millions. Agreed. If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll get back on track. Ed They will rent Windows in the cloud. Don't pay the rent, you can't get in. They will claim security, access from any device, yada, yada, yada. Windows is history. I'm glad I know how to use Linux. -- Alias |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
Andrew Rossmann wrote:
In article , lid says... http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. You forgot NT4 and Win2K. Not really mainstream those two. -- Alias |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 7/27/2014 9:40 AM, Bucky Breeder wrote:
My problem with Windows8x is the GUI vis-à-vis the XP interface... A major problem with Windows 8.1 metro screen is that you have so many threads going out upon startup BEFORE you even get to your desktop, and you really have to suss out the system to figure out what's calling who, when, and for what reason... That is only happens if you logon to your Microsoft account. Otherwise all of that is dead. And by the way, welcome to cloud computing if you do. The other thing is its attempts at automation - like system cleanups, updates and defrag -- these interfaces are clunky at best with not nearly as many options as with XP... You still can disable them, no big deal. Then there's the logic and malleability of the XP Start and Programs menus... of Windows Explorer... of Control Panel organization... These are all things that worked fine in the XP recipe - and while perhaps could have endured some tweaking, did NOT need to be replaced with the current jumble of disconnected "logic"... Ah, but if they didn't change it, why move on from XP if it was just like XP? Now, you MAY be one of those folks who when your computer gets slow, or all loaded up with bloated usage files, takes your equipment to the tech shop for a cleaning and maintenance session - or perhaps your mommy and/or daddy just buy you a new one; but, Windows XP let us exercise some control over these machines with an organized and logical approach - an approach which could easily be modified from person to person and preference to preference... I only had to reinstall Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 machines to get them stable once again. Bad drivers could really screw them up. Although with NT OS, I never had to do that. My Windows 8.1 is unaltered by 3rd party hacks thus far... because I've been trying to identify the logic which the programmers used to set up the GUI, but alas, there seems to be none except an effort to keep up with the Google store and emulate Apple.... I see a lot of logic why Microsoft does what they do. And it all makes sense to me. But I use many different OS too. If I only used Windows all of my life, I would probably feel differently. I hate the way it automatically connects to Bing weather, the Windows store, MSN news and all those other charming little charms before you can even get to the desktop - WTF? Wouldn't "logic" present the desktop first, from whence you'd select what you want/need to do next??? I don't think it logons to Bing Weather if you are not signed in under your Microsoft account. And the desktop? Just click on the desktop tile, no big deal or hit the Windows key. What's the point of having all these slippy-slidey little toolbars to get to your workspace on a desktop? It's just razzle-dazzle with no apparent function... You want them to hang out there and to take up desktop space? I don't. Windows 8x needs a patch (NOT a 3rd-party hack) which will send its usability back in the direction of XP while keeping any bone-fide "improvements" in operation, speed and security. My 2¢ No, XP style is dead. That is the past and today is the present. No need to move backwards instead of forward. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 7/27/2014 10:41 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 9:34 AM, BillW50 wrote: On 7/27/2014 9:06 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I don't think I'm too old to learn new stuff, but why should I have to, just to do what I could do before? Computers are supposed to serve our needs, not the other way around. It isn't that hard at all and the more you use it, the more it makes a lot of sense. Doing it otherwise would have been more counterproductive. Lots of things are better under 8 compared to 7. The Task Manager, file transfers, SSD support, Performance Monitor, On Screen Keyboard, Hybrid Sleep, faster booting, etc. are all better. Faster booting before the 8.1 update. I used to be able to push the power button and be typing in the Google Chrome search bar in 45 seconds (same as my Windows 7 machine with a hybrid HDD) now it takes anywhere from 1:30 to 1:45+ depending on the weather. Reboots are 3 minutes plus! Just off of the top of my head here are a few reasons I like Windows 7 better than Windows 8.1. Boot and reboot time Don't need a 3rd party start button/menu (no biggie really), but still No media center (home edition) Can't play DVDs with WMP Can't boot into safe mode when starting the computer (F8) No Windows update bubble Since upgrade to Windows 8.1 it is slow to recognize some plug and play devices (if it even recognizes them at all) |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
BillW50 wrote:
welcome to cloud computing No thanks. -- Alias |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 7/27/2014 10:08 AM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 10:41 AM, BillW50 wrote: On 7/27/2014 9:34 AM, BillW50 wrote: On 7/27/2014 9:06 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I don't think I'm too old to learn new stuff, but why should I have to, just to do what I could do before? Computers are supposed to serve our needs, not the other way around. It isn't that hard at all and the more you use it, the more it makes a lot of sense. Doing it otherwise would have been more counterproductive. Lots of things are better under 8 compared to 7. The Task Manager, file transfers, SSD support, Performance Monitor, On Screen Keyboard, Hybrid Sleep, faster booting, etc. are all better. Faster booting before the 8.1 update. I used to be able to push the power button and be typing in the Google Chrome search bar in 45 seconds (same as my Windows 7 machine with a hybrid HDD) now it takes anywhere from 1:30 to 1:45+ depending on the weather. Reboots are 3 minutes plus! Wow, really? Why? I just checked mine and 20 seconds to shutdown and 10 seconds to boot. And this one has all of the updates. Just off of the top of my head here are a few reasons I like Windows 7 better than Windows 8.1. Boot and reboot time I don't know why yours is that way. Don't need a 3rd party start button/menu (no biggie really), but still I don't need or use 3rd party Start either. I can use Windows 8 just fine without them. No media center (home edition) I have the Media Center. I bought Windows 8 for this machine for $39.95 and Microsoft offered the Media Center for free back in Jan 2013. Can't play DVDs with WMP I can. Can't boot into safe mode when starting the computer (F8) You can't? Been using Windows 8 since March 2012 and I never had the need yet. No Windows update bubble I get notifications when there are new updates. Since upgrade to Windows 8.1 it is slow to recognize some plug and play devices (if it even recognizes them at all) Wow! I haven't seen this either. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 27/07/2014 12:32, Ed Cryer wrote:
My answer; You'd get lots and lots of people taking up the Win skeleton and tailoring it. The market would become overflowing with competing versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers, who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in and bring them to order. It's happened already. Look at Linux distros. Nobody knows which one is legitimate and which isn't. There are thousands of them and people are simply not bothered with them anymore. Best to stick with Windows or Macs knowing that somebody is in charge of them. With Linux nobody is in-charge; It's become a big jungle that people should avoid. you'll be safer in Taliban land!!!!. |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 27/07/2014 13:27, Andrew Rossmann wrote:
In article , lid says... http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. You forgot NT4 and Win2K. Probably he didn't use them like me. I started with XP, Win7 and now Win8/8.1 |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
Good Guy wrote:
On 27/07/2014 12:32, Ed Cryer wrote: My answer; You'd get lots and lots of people taking up the Win skeleton and tailoring it. The market would become overflowing with competing versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers, who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in and bring them to order. It's happened already. Look at Linux distros. Nobody knows which one is legitimate and which isn't. There are thousands of them and people are simply not bothered with them anymore. Best to stick with Windows or Macs knowing that somebody is in charge of them. With Linux nobody is in-charge; It's become a big jungle that people should avoid. you'll be safer in Taliban land!!!!. Bull****. I have several web sites and the trackers used to put Linux at less than one percent. Now it's 10 percent and climbing. If you want a distro any Windows user can use, check out Netrunner. It has a start menu and everything and it rocks. Safer? LOL! Linux doesn't do malware. Windows does and it does it very well. -- Alias |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On 27/07/2014 13:54, Keith Nuttle wrote:
If people stop playing games on their touch pad and actually work with productivity software, they will find the touch pad does not cut it. Best example is a multicolumn spread sheet on an touch pad, verse the same spread sheet on a computer with a 15 or 17 inch monitor. Analyze your bank account, on a touch pad verse on a monitor. Any time you want to review a lot of data the touch pad fails as you can not see all of the data to see the interactions in that data. Even with large screens some people like to print the spreadsheet data on A4 (landscape) or even A3 paper to see the whole picture. |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
Good Guy wrote:
On 27/07/2014 13:27, Andrew Rossmann wrote: In , lid says... http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8 Even Vista did better. Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out. Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad 9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end. You forgot NT4 and Win2K. Probably he didn't use them like me. I started with XP, Win7 and now Win8/8.1 I used Windows 2000. It sucked compared to XP. I also used Windows 3.2, MSDOS and DRDOS on a 286. The first time I went on the Net was in 92. I bought the first Mac in 84. -- Alias |
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Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:01:31 +0200, Alias
wrote: Windows is history. I'm glad I know how to use Linux. Do you know every Linux variety? I gave up trying to write software for Linux as nobody wants to pay for it. Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com |
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