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  #1  
Old November 27th 18, 09:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.

(1) TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system

I also have

I have a Dell Optiplex 780 Tower, with Windows 7 Professional,
SP1, with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.

Intel (R) Core 2 Duo 2.93 GHz
4GB RAM, 750 GB HD
System type : 64-bit operating system

and (external hard drives)

(8500)
WD BLACK SERIES WD2003FZEX 2TB 7200
RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
Hard Drive

(780)
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
Internal Hard Drive

Here's the problem; I had a Macrium update on the
780 so that it's now V7.2.3897 but on the 8500 it's
V6.3.1852 and I checked for updates and there were none.

This should be updating the same as the 780 and both
should have the same versions. So I don't understand why
it doesn't?

In any case, could you please give me a clean link to update
the 8500 so that it's current.

Thanks,
Robert


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Old November 28th 18, 12:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default O.T. Macrium Updates

Mark Twain wrote:
I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.

(1) TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system

I also have

I have a Dell Optiplex 780 Tower, with Windows 7 Professional,
SP1, with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.

Intel (R) Core 2 Duo 2.93 GHz
4GB RAM, 750 GB HD
System type : 64-bit operating system

and (external hard drives)

(8500)
WD BLACK SERIES WD2003FZEX 2TB 7200
RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
Hard Drive

(780)
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
Internal Hard Drive

Here's the problem; I had a Macrium update on the
780 so that it's now V7.2.3897 but on the 8500 it's
V6.3.1852 and I checked for updates and there were none.

This should be updating the same as the 780 and both
should have the same versions. So I don't understand why
it doesn't?

In any case, could you please give me a clean link to update
the 8500 so that it's current.

Thanks,
Robert


https://www.tenforums.com/backup-res...ree-v6-v7.html

"Just download MR free from their site and upgrade, that's
what I did and it preserved all my settings but had to
make new rescue USB. There are some new options in v7.xx
and you may want to take a look at them."

*******

First, look in C:\Program Files or in C:\Program Files (x86)
and see which of the two folders has a "Macrium" folder in it.
You either did a 32 bit or a 64 bit install of Macrium 6,
and it would be good to "match" that with Macrium 7.

The idea being, it might preserve your existing settings
and schedule better.

If C:\Program Files (x86) has "Macrium", set "Options" in
the downloader, to 32 bit.

If C:\Program Files has "Macrium", set "Options" in
the downloader, to 64 bit.

This downloader stub, will download the two files for you.
Execute it, and set Options properly (just the 32 bit or
64 bit radio buttons, pick one).

https://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v7/ReflectDLHF.exe

The rest of it, you can likely leave at defaults.

Take careful note, of *where* the downloads will be going.
Mine says "My Documents" is getting the files. Write down
where the download is destined so you can find the one
or two files later.

The install should get the files from My Documents
and start the install automatically. If it doesn't,
go to My Documents (or whatever folder you set it
to download into), and manually kick off the install.

You could do the upgrade with just the EXE file and
no WinPE files. If you then make Rescue Media, it
will prompt for the WinPE files, allowing
you to select something (the main Macrium program
can also download WinPE content on demand). If you
download both files using ReflectDLHF, then the tool
should be able to make Rescue Media with no further
downloads.

It's too bad the "Check For Updates" doesn't work. It
didn't work on mine either.

Best guess,
Paul
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Old November 28th 18, 12:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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I have Macrium on both the Program Files (2016)
and Program Files(X86) (2017) So I should download
the 64 bit version but before doing so I
wanted to ask should I remove the Program Files
Macrium?


Thanks,
Robert
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Old November 28th 18, 01:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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This has nothing to do with the problem but I started
the 780 and ran scans and then it asked to reboot but
after coming up the speakers had a red X so I restarted
the system and then it came back with a black screen
saying the computer couldn't connect with the Internet
and contact administrator. I clicked to close it and
since then it has stayed a black screen with the curser.
I saw no error lights. I waited 5 minutes and nothing
so I really hated to do it but I hit the reset button
and selected to start Windows normally and everything
appears normal. Now that was weird! See what I mean
about things like that happening out of the blue.

Robert

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Old November 28th 18, 01:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
This has nothing to do with the problem but I started
the 780 and ran scans and then it asked to reboot but
after coming up the speakers had a red X so I restarted
the system and then it came back with a black screen
saying the computer couldn't connect with the Internet
and contact administrator. I clicked to close it and
since then it has stayed a black screen with the curser.
I saw no error lights. I waited 5 minutes and nothing
so I really hated to do it but I hit the reset button
and selected to start Windows normally and everything
appears normal. Now that was weird! See what I mean
about things like that happening out of the blue.

Robert


Is Windows Update set to Automatic Updates, or is
it set to Manual or Off ?

It could be that the AV quarantined some system files,
and Windows File Protection put them back.

I agree with you, that that is weird.

Paul
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Old November 28th 18, 02:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
I have Macrium on both the Program Files (2016)
and Program Files(X86) (2017) So I should download
the 64 bit version but before doing so I
wanted to ask should I remove the Program Files
Macrium?


Thanks,
Robert


Start Macrium as you would normally start it.

By doing that, I hope to identify which version
is the current one running your backups.

Now, in the window, go to "Help : About Macrium Reflect".

The dialog that appears will say

Edition: Free Edition (64 bit)

or similar. That should be telling you what
version is running the machine. If it is the
32 bit version, it would say (32 bit).

*******

Next, go to Control Panels : Programs and Features.

See if both programs have placed an entry in Programs
and Features.

Locate the program you don't want and select Remove.

But you're not finished yet.

Select the remaining Macrium install entry, then select

Change

then from the dialog with the three entries, select

Repair

If the first removal operation removes the Macrium
service, "repairing" the remaining program will put
it back.

That isn't absolutely essential, but the idea is,
to try to have a bog standard setup when the V7
installer is run.

You still have to select a V7 bitness, to go with
the remaining one.

*******

You could of course, just run the EXE and the software
will deal with the carnage. You would still have both
versions installed of course. The right one would get
upgraded, as long as you downloaded the correct "bitness"
using the stub downloader.

I don't know why they design stuff this way. Boggles
the mind, all the failure modes they inspire with the
way they do stuff.

Paul
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Old November 28th 18, 03:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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I always go into the Action Center for
updates. Since I believe you told me to
do it that way so I can review whats being
updated. This was back when they tried to
update into Windows 10 and I didn't want that.

Robert

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Old November 28th 18, 06:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
I always go into the Action Center for
updates. Since I believe you told me to
do it that way so I can review whats being
updated. This was back when they tried to
update into Windows 10 and I didn't want that.

Robert


I get strange ones here too.

I had Win10 fall over the other day. Reported
it couldn't find the OS, early in the boot process.
The OS boot repair tried to fix it. It looked
like it tried CHKDSK (based on the time spent),
and that still didn't fix it. I booted Windows 7
and ran CHKDSK from there. Nothing was found.
And when I tried to boot the broken OS again,
it was OK. I can't be 100% sure what fixed it.
Probably wasn't anything I did.

And more reboots and it's like nothing happened.

The Windows Update history isn't very good in
Windows 10, so I can't even look at that and
check for correlation. They put the day of the
update, but not the hour and minute. So if an
update comes in that day, but not right before
something happens, you can't say for sure that's
what did it. If there was a proper timestamp,
it would be a lot better.

Paul
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Old November 28th 18, 06:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
Followed your instructions:

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Thanks,
Robert


That looks good.

The weird part, is I see no evidence the system
knows about the Macrium installed in Program Files (x86).

But everything looks to have turned out OK.

Maybe what happened, is the C:\Program Files (x86)\Macrium
contains only a couple "stubborn" files, such as the Macrium
mounter service. Maybe it refused to be removed, and that
results in a small set of files being left behind. I've had
that happen a number of times with other programs here,
and didn't think about that possibility when writing up
instructions for this. If that install folder isn't
a "full" install, then chances are there aren't any services
or files associated with services, getting in the way.
I just want to make sure there won't be an interaction
between the garbage in there, and the proper install
folder.

And you know (of course), the TrustedInstaller protection
on that folder, won't allow easy manual removal. Ah, Windows.

Paul
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Old November 28th 18, 10:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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You would think they would at least give
the basics like accurate timing. I'm no
engineer or programmer but even I can
understand the importance of accurate timing
in a computer.

Robert

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Old November 28th 18, 10:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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I noticed that also that it went into
Downloads vs the Program Files (X86)
but I wasn't going to mess around with
the default destination but thought it
strange that the Macrium folder in is one
location and the downloads are in another.

Thanks again,
Robert

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Old November 28th 18, 01:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
You would think they would at least give
the basics like accurate timing. I'm no
engineer or programmer but even I can
understand the importance of accurate timing
in a computer.

Robert


The computer has the records (somewhere),
it's just the values aren't being printed on
the screen. I suppose it upsets the "look" of the
screen or something.

There is a log for servicing that should
have the entries. The file would be kinda big,
so you'd have to trawl through it looking for
the breadcrumbs needed.

Paul
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Old December 1st 18, 06:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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I had an update to the Macrium on the 8500
yesterday and thought I would update the 780
today since I'm going to be doing my backup
tomorrow.

When I logged on the 780 it showed I had a Macrium
update but I could not get it to run. I tried clicking
on the message itself and also opened Macrium but
no updates appeared. Then tried going just to Macrium
but still no updates. I restarted and powered it off
several times and nothing so I followed your same
instructions to install Macrium on the 780 and now
its the same versions on both machines.

Interestingly, it downloaded in the Program Files on
the 780 vs the Downloads on the 8500 but why didn't it
update when I opened Macrium?

Robert

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Old December 1st 18, 03:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default O.T. Macrium Updates

Mark Twain wrote:
I had an update to the Macrium on the 8500
yesterday and thought I would update the 780
today since I'm going to be doing my backup
tomorrow.

When I logged on the 780 it showed I had a Macrium
update but I could not get it to run. I tried clicking
on the message itself and also opened Macrium but
no updates appeared. Then tried going just to Macrium
but still no updates. I restarted and powered it off
several times and nothing so I followed your same
instructions to install Macrium on the 780 and now
its the same versions on both machines.

Interestingly, it downloaded in the Program Files on
the 780 vs the Downloads on the 8500 but why didn't it
update when I opened Macrium?

Robert


The Macrium philosophy isn't tolerant of user-manipulation.
Either you do it their way, or not at all. That's the
impression I've gotten on a couple of occasions when
trying to "coax" stuff to happen.

Downloading a fresh copy into your Downloads, should
work. Even if nothing else works.

Paul
 




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