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Old November 7th 18, 01:41 AM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?

How do you make ringtones on Windows for your phone using only freeware?
and
(Do we still have to worry about blowing out the speakers nowadays?)

I just wrote this tutorial up (see below) for the Android ng, when I
realized that there may be better ways to make a ringtone for your phone,
from an existing audio recording.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/HQPTDd0b2-s

==== cut here for how I made the ringtone === the question is how do you?
I'm still confused about the problem and solution so please take this
intentionally helpful post as just a suggestion.

I'm not sure if the problem is:
o finding ringtones
o setting ringtones
o making ringtones

My prior post was on "finding" ringtones on the phone (dir /s/a/l/on/b).

Googling, I found this which purports to help people _set_ ringtones on
their phone to what they want those ringtones to be.
https://www.androidcentral.com/adding-custom-ringtones-and-sounds-your-android

If you want to _make_ a ringtone, bear in mind that it has been said
(somewhere) that you can _damage_ the phone's speakers with a badly
designed ringtone (is that true?).

These Android apps purport to create ringtones:
Zedge, by Zedge
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.zedge.android
Ringtone Maker, by Big Bang Inc.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.herman.ringtone

These solutions may help prevent speaker damage if that's really an issue:
https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/tutorial_making_ringtones_and_ivr_messages.html
https://www.groovypost.com/howto/freeware/easily-make-your-own-ringtones-free-audacity/
https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-create-free-ringtones-using-audacity-2438830
etc.

Even if you don't need to prevent damage, this solution below that I tested
on your ringtone is a general solution to make a ringtone out of anything.

1. Download this 3-second 16-bit ringtone from the list I provided earlier:
https://www.redringtones.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/our-man-flint-ringtone.mp3
Name: our-man-flint-ringtone.mp3, Size: 46393 bytes
SHA256: F0F400592F50094C4780ECA643E942C66219B24D86BC74AC8F 1EECC3094F2394
2. GSpot freeware identifies the codec as "MPEG-1 Layer 3", 44100Hz 128kb/s
3. MP3Tag freeware shows no ID3 tags, so I added:
Album = ringtone, Title = Our Man Flint, Artist = Our Man Flint
4. Audacity freeware shows it to be a stereo file with some blank spots:
(It says 32 bit float, even though the original web page said 16 bit.)
5. Audacity:Analyze Plot Spectrum (shows a frequency analysis chart)
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4429182ringtone03.jpg
6. Audacity:Effect Equalization (allows you to band pass filter)
o Attenuate to -24dB from 20Hz to 300Hz & from 1000Hz to 20000Hz
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5351927ringtone04.jpg
7. Audacity:Effect Compressor (reduce high:low volume delta)
Change the Ratio from 2:1 to 3:1
Uncheck the [_]Make-up gain for 0 dB after compressing
8. Audacity:Effect Amplify
Change the "New Peak Amplitude (dB)" from 0.0 to -3 (dB) [or -2 dB]
9. Audacity:Tracks Stereo Track to Mono (merges both tracks to mono)
10. Audacity:Effects Fade In (on the first few seconds)
Audacity:Effects Fade Out (on the last few seconds)
11. Trim & time shift (ringtones tend to repeat if less than about 20sec)
[It's really hard to describe because I can't find the "Trim"
selection that is clearly shown in the listed references!]
So if you can figure out why Audacity 2.1.3 doesn't have that
TRIM button, that would help others trim their audio to size.]
12. Audacity:File Export Export Audio myringtone.mp3

I would put all my ringtones in the same Android folder:
/sdcard1/data1/audio/ringtone/myringtone.mp3
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Old November 7th 18, 09:44 AM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?

Arlen,

How do you make ringtones on Windows for your phone using only freeware?

....
12. Audacity:File Export Export Audio myringtone.mp3


Let me get this straight: A ringtone on a Android phone is a straight
forward .MP3, and you have no clue to how to find a freeware MP3 editor for
on a PC ? Really ?

I'm not sure if the problem is:
o finding ringtones
o setting ringtones
o making ringtones


Right. You are *again* just naming EVERYTHING as being the possible cause
of your problem. No matter how unrelated the problem fields are.

.... A problem which you did not even bother to describe !

In other words: You are *AGAIN* trying to attract someone to tell you
*everything*, effectivily demanding HUGE ammounts of effort being put into
it by them, only so you can pick out the tiny bits you actually need.


How many times do you need to do that - and lose people like Diesel, who
seems to know more about what you are doing that you will *ever* know -
before you realize that that only works for a short time, making you depend
on a steady stream of new suckers^whelpfull people (a stream which can
easily dry up) ?


STRONG SUGGESTION: Describe your current problem. What are you
*specifically* trying to do, and describe how it doesn't do that. That way
someone can give you to-the-point advice (while not wasting his time).

Yes, I'm still trying to help you - to fish for yourself (give a hungry man
a fish and he will be back tomorrow, again hungry).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

p.s.
MP3 overmodulation damaging your phones (headphones?) speakers ? Just
listen to the sound itself. If its sounds "tinny" than its most likely
overmodulated. If you do not trust that than pick yourself an MP3 editor
which either offers automatic compressing, or has an inbuild oscilloscope
(waveform viewer) where you can look at the waveform itself - and thus being
able to spot where flattens against the top or bottom.


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Old November 7th 18, 06:52 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 09:33:03 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

Just like you make any piece of music. Just make sure you save it


The tutorials _clearly_ show modification of the frequencies to conform to
the technical limitations of the tiny tinny mobile phone speakers.

My knowledge on this is a decade old where it was _imperative_ that we
protect the tinny tiny speakers on the older mobile phones.

Things "may" have improved over time, where the preamp may be able to drive
larger speakers, they may be stereo, they may have a wider flatter
frequency response, etc.

The question will _only_ be understood by people competent enough to have
at least the knowledge I had a decade ago, where I'm only asking if things
are different nowadays.

How do you "make" a ringtone given any audio input?
o We can assume we start from an MP3 downloaded from Youtube with freeware
(youtube-dl.exe freeware is a good assumtpion, for Windows computers)
o What freeware do you use to "trim" the audio to ringtone length?
(Audacity freeware seems like a good choice but the TRIM GUI is bad)
o What freeware do you use for facing in (or fading out) for better sound?
(Audacity does have a decent FADE GUI, as opposed to the bad TRIM GUI)
o Do we still need to "merge" stereo tracks for undistorted output?
o Do we still need to "filter" out unreproducible high & low frequencies?
o Do we still need to "attenuate" loudness that can damage tiny speakers
o Does the "bitrate" matter anymore to the mobile device preamplifier?
etc.

Only 1 out of 100 people will even _comprehend_ the question.
Of those 1 out of 100, one out of 100 of them has any technical competence.

Those who can help with an answer need to be technically competent with
o Windows freeware
o Mobile phone hardware
o Audio frequency & power analysis

Does that 1 out of 1000 person even exist on this newsgroup?
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Old November 7th 18, 06:52 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 09:44:56 +0100, R.Wieser wrote:

Let me get this straight: A ringtone on a Android phone is a straight
forward .MP3, and you have no clue to how to find a freeware MP3 editor for
on a PC ? Really ?


Hi Rudy Wieser,

The question is on "making" ringtones for "mobile devices" with "freeware".

It's my fault that you miscomprehend the question about *making* ringtones.
It's not your fault that I didn't ask the question in a clear concise way.
So I apologize for asking the question in a confusing way.

Your response "implies" that you think "making" means only "downloading".
But downloading is only the 1st (of multiple) steps in "making" a ringtone.

Since you took the time to post a response, I'll patiently answer your
questions - but - we have to think ahead to see if it's even _worth_
answering your questions - because - well - let's face it - because
historically, Rudy, while I admit I don't know much, you consistently prove
you know less than I do - so all we'll end up doing is getting you to where
I was years ago - and then - since you have no helpful intent - it will
stop there (where I was about a decade ago) on ringtones.

Your historically unhelpful attitude and lack of knowledge is the problem.

So, even though I know almost nothing about *making* ringtones, it may be a
total waste of time explaining the little of what I do know to you because
you normally have zero intention to be helpful, and zero ability to add
value to what I will impart to you.
o To be clear, it's obvious you revel in worthless value-free complaints.
o But you don't (can't) usually add any value to what we knew a decade ago.

Given those are the facts, let's try to move forward in the off chance that
you actually _intend_ on being helpful to answer the questions posed about
*making* ringtones for use in mobile devices (which have tiny tinny
speakers).

----- Let's start fresh on the concept of *making* ringtones! -----
Let's clarify the concept of what it means to "make" a ringtone first.

How do you "make" a ringtone?
o You don't just "download" it - but you can 'start' from a download
o You often "trim" the audio, for example, to a certain time length
o You often "merge" stereo tracks, for example, for mono situations
o You often "filter" out frequencies unreproducible for tiny speakers
o You often "attenuate" loudness that can damage tiny speakers
o You often change the "bitrate" to better fit the drivers
o You often "fade in" or "fade out" so as to better ramp the volume
etc.

Right. You are *again* just naming EVERYTHING as being the possible cause
of your problem. No matter how unrelated the problem fields are.


What on earth are you talking about Rudy Wieser?
The question is on "making" ringtones for "mobile devices" with "freeware".

... A problem which you did not even bother to describe !


I admit, that I asked the question in a convoluted way, so it's my fault
you don't comprehend the question, not your fault.

To resolve that, the question is best rephrased to whether or not we need
to ensure that rintones, nowadays, don't damage the speakers.

I doubt you know any more than I do, Rudy Wieser, on that topic, but that's
the question, where my knowledge on this stopped about a decade ago when I
last created ringtones for Motorola Razr flip phones (where the problems
mattered).

Please do note that the *tutorials* I presented _do_ state that you _need_
to modify the ringtone, where those tutorials are _newer_ than my ancient
experience ... so it could very well be that we _still_ need to protect the
speakers.

But you're not the one who is ever going to be able to answer _that_
question, Rudy Wieser - but maybe someone else here (the 1 out of 1000 who
understands the technical issues) might know more than we do, Rudy.

In other words: You are *AGAIN* trying to attract someone to tell you
*everything*, effectivily demanding HUGE ammounts of effort being put into
it by them, only so you can pick out the tiny bits you actually need.


While I realize Rudy, that you are _great_ at *complaining*, you are
actually terrible at anything even remotely technical.

So it's clear that you don't even _comprehend_ the question, and it is
clear that you have no intention of comprehending the question, but in the
remote change that you have a teeny tiny miniscule amount of helpful intent
still within your synapses, please read the helpful explanation I made
above about why you would want to protect your speakers, and how the
tutorials said to do that.

How many times do you need to do that - and lose people like Diesel


Hehhehhehheh... I think it's apropos that you put yourself in the same
category of Diesel..... Thanks for the morning humor.

who
seems to know more about what you are doing that you will *ever* know -


Hehhehhehheh...

What's really interesting, Rudy, is that you actually _believe_ what you
just wrote, which, if you had the capacity to comprehend even the simplest
of facts, you'd see why that's patently hilarious that you think that way.

before you realize that that only works for a short time, making you depend
on a steady stream of new suckers^whelpfull people (a stream which can
easily dry up) ?


That you think Usenet is filled with "suckers" is interesting, because you
are the one who consistently ruins any technical thread with your worthless
drivel.

This is a binary situation, Rudy:
o You either know more than I do about making ringtones,
o Or you don't.

Since it's clear that, consistently, you _never_ know more than I did even
decades ago, and it's clear that you have no helpful intent, then it's
clear that there is zero chance that you will even _comprehend_ the
question, Rudy.

Given that you can't comprehend the question, Rudy, there's even less
chance that you'll ever be able to _add value_ in a response.

If I'm not being clear with you Rudy, let me know, and I'll clarify.

STRONG SUGGESTION: Describe your current problem. What are you
*specifically* trying to do, and describe how it doesn't do that. That way
someone can give you to-the-point advice (while not wasting his time).


Hi Rudy Wieser,
This is a valid suggestion as I did a crappy job of explaining the
question.

The question is clear as day in the SUBJECT line.

That's all you _really_ need (if you understood the subject line that is).

Q: How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?

Yes, I'm still trying to help you - to fish for yourself (give a hungry man
a fish and he will be back tomorrow, again hungry).


Hehhehheh...

Now I see why you put yourself in the same category of Diesel.

To be blunt, the response from you is:
o I know the answer but I won't tell you ... na nana nana na.
o I want you to *beg* for that answer ... na nana nana na.
o If you beg, then _maybe_ just maybe ... I'll tell you!

Hehehehehe...

What's funny is that you come across (to adults) as:
o You don't even _comprehend_ the question for Christs sake!
o You don't have any _technical_ knowledge on the topic anyway.
o So you allude to what turns out to be completely imaginary knowledge!

MP3 overmodulation damaging your phones (headphones?) speakers ? Just
listen to the sound itself. If its sounds "tinny" than its most likely
overmodulated.


Ummmm... that's kind of too late, Rudy.
That's like stepping in front of a moving train to see what it feels like.

If you do not trust that than pick yourself an MP3 editor
which either offers automatic compressing, or has an inbuild oscilloscope
(waveform viewer) where you can look at the waveform itself - and thus being
able to spot where flattens against the top or bottom.


WTF are you talking about Rudy?
Do you have _any_ concept whatsoever of what Audacity does?

HINT: If anyone does NOT know what Audacity does, they will _never_
comprehend this question well enough to add any value whatsoever.
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Old November 7th 18, 08:56 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11/7/18 12:52 PM, Arlen_Holder wrote:
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 09:33:03 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

Just like you make any piece of music. Just make sure you save it


The tutorials _clearly_ show modification of the frequencies to conform to
the technical limitations of the tiny tinny mobile phone speakers.

My knowledge on this is a decade old where it was _imperative_ that we
protect the tinny tiny speakers on the older mobile phones.

Things "may" have improved over time, where the preamp may be able to drive
larger speakers, they may be stereo, they may have a wider flatter
frequency response, etc.

The question will _only_ be understood by people competent enough to have
at least the knowledge I had a decade ago, where I'm only asking if things
are different nowadays.

How do you "make" a ringtone given any audio input?
o We can assume we start from an MP3 downloaded from Youtube with freeware
(youtube-dl.exe freeware is a good assumtpion, for Windows computers)
o What freeware do you use to "trim" the audio to ringtone length?
(Audacity freeware seems like a good choice but the TRIM GUI is bad)
o What freeware do you use for facing in (or fading out) for better sound?
(Audacity does have a decent FADE GUI, as opposed to the bad TRIM GUI)
o Do we still need to "merge" stereo tracks for undistorted output?
o Do we still need to "filter" out unreproducible high & low frequencies?
o Do we still need to "attenuate" loudness that can damage tiny speakers
o Does the "bitrate" matter anymore to the mobile device preamplifier?
etc.

Only 1 out of 100 people will even _comprehend_ the question.
Of those 1 out of 100, one out of 100 of them has any technical competence.

Those who can help with an answer need to be technically competent with
o Windows freeware
o Mobile phone hardware
o Audio frequency & power analysis

Does that 1 out of 1000 person even exist on this newsgroup?

There is a app for android called 'ringtone maker' by big bang inc.
With it you can take any MP3 (or maybe other formats, I've not tried)
and trim them. It's much like audacity, but you can do it right on the
phone.

I had one phone that required the results to be in a special ringtone
folder but my latest one doesn't care, I just point to it, but I've kept
that folder concept because it's logical.

The app may be in apples store too, not sure, don't care.

And part of your questions: I've never been concerned about volume etc.
even with audacity doing it on my laptop. They all sound fine.

Al
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Old November 7th 18, 09:34 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 14:56:09 -0500, Big Al wrote:

There is a app for android called 'ringtone maker' by big bang inc.


I listed it in the original post, where I agree that it seems to create
ringtones for Android phones.

With it you can take any MP3 (or maybe other formats, I've not tried)
and trim them. It's much like audacity, but you can do it right on the
phone.


I agree that, if either of the two Android programs I listed in the OP
work, that would be great for Android users. There may be issues with iOS
users though (I didn't check).

And, the conversion may be better done on Windows (which is generally where
I do all my file-editing of audio and video).

I had one phone that required the results to be in a special ringtone
folder but my latest one doesn't care, I just point to it, but I've kept
that folder concept because it's logical.


You bring up a great point of the "ringtone" folder, where, that's a
complex issue in and of itself, as it appears (from the thread below
anyway) that it's not so simple the ringtone folder some apps use:
o Ringtone choice (by The Real Bev)
o https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/HQPTDd0b2-s

The app may be in apples store too, not sure, don't care.


I agree that any solution we come up with should work for all users,
whether they're on Apple iPods & iOS devices or Android devices.

And part of your questions: I've never been concerned about volume etc.
even with audacity doing it on my laptop. They all sound fine.


This is the real technical hurdle that we need someone who has knowledge
that I don't have to answer.

If you look at the tutorials, they _clearly_ still mention what I _knew_ to
be a fact a decade (or so) ago, which is that we _should_ modify audio
files so that they
o Play well on the tiny tinny speakers of mobile devices, and, so that they
o Don't damage mobile devices over time

Just "playing" doesn't mean _either_ of those two goals are met.

For example, you can have different stereo tracks, and you can simply drop
one track, and the file will still "play" on your phone - but it won't have
anywhere near the quality you might want (although, let's be realistic, it
is a ringtone after all).

Likewise, you can play on your phone, but at high volumes, it used to be
that playing the file could actually *damage* the tiny tinny speakers on
the old Motorola RAZR flip phones.

My point is that the metric of "just playing" isn't an intelligent one.
We need someone who knows the answers to the technical questions.
o What Windows freeware *converts* audio file formats, for example,
Shotcut, Super (old versions), Handbrake, AviDemux, AviSynth,
ffmpeg, lame, oxelon, totallyfreeconverter, etc.
o What freeware do you use for editing for better sound?
e.g., Audacity has a decent FADE GUI, but the TRIM GUI is difficult.
o Do we still need to "merge" stereo tracks for undistorted output?
o Do we still need to "filter" out unreproducible high & low frequencies?
o Do we still need to "attenuate" loudness that can damage tiny speakers
o Does the "bitrate" matter anymore to the mobile device preamplifier?
etc.

One quick related question, for example:
Q: Are most iOS/Android mobile devices mono or stereo nowadays?
Q: What are the decibel limits of their tiny tinny speakers?
Q: What are the frequency limits of their tiny tinny speakers?
etc.
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Old November 9th 18, 03:08 AM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:34:12 -0000 (UTC), Arlen_Holder wrote:

One quick related question, for example:
Q: Are most iOS/Android mobile devices mono or stereo nowadays?
Q: What are the decibel limits of their tiny tinny speakers?
Q: What are the frequency limits of their tiny tinny speakers?


UPDATE:
o I'm not sure, but apparently most mobile devices have a separate tinny
tiny speaker specifically for the ringtone, which is mono (if you know more
about that, please advise).

o What this means, if correct, is that we can't just use any old audio as a
ringtone, as it won't sound right and/or it could damage the ringtone tinny
tiny speaker.

o First off, we will need to merge the two channels into a single channel.

o Apparently we may need to run a high pass filter, where the -3dB cutoff
frequency is somewhere between 0 Hz and 300 Hz to 400 Hz.

o Apparently we may need to run a low pass filter with a -3dB cutoff
frequency somewhere pretty low, like around 3000 Hz.

o The kbs doesn't matter anymore, as that was only a space-saving tactic,
where 128kbs is just fine.

o The loudness should be "normalized" with the "dc offset removed".

o You can fade in or out, as desired.

One minor problem is the GUI for TRIM is problematic in Audacity, so what I
generally do is delete and time shift instead of TRIM.
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Old November 9th 18, 07:35 AM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 08 Nov 2018, Arlen_Holder wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

UPDATE:
o I'm not sure, but apparently most mobile devices have a separate
tinny tiny speaker specifically for the ringtone, which is mono
(if you know more about that, please advise).

o What this means, if correct, is that we can't just use any old
audio as a ringtone, as it won't sound right and/or it could
damage the ringtone tinny tiny speaker.

o First off, we will need to merge the two channels into a single
channel.

o Apparently we may need to run a high pass filter, where the -3dB
cutoff frequency is somewhere between 0 Hz and 300 Hz to 400 Hz.

o Apparently we may need to run a low pass filter with a -3dB
cutoff frequency somewhere pretty low, like around 3000 Hz.

o The kbs doesn't matter anymore, as that was only a space-saving
tactic, where 128kbs is just fine.

o The loudness should be "normalized" with the "dc offset
removed".

o You can fade in or out, as desired.

One minor problem is the GUI for TRIM is problematic in Audacity,
so what I generally do is delete and time shift instead of TRIM.


Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. That's zero for
eight.

Keep up your usual good work.
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Old November 9th 18, 08:31 AM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Arlen_Holder Wrote in message:
UPDATE: o I'm not sure, but apparently most mobile devices have a separate tinnytiny speaker specifically for the ringtone, which is mono (if you know moreabout that, please advise).


I have not noticed a phone with a dedicated ringtone speaker.
I have noted only phones with an earphone speaker and a
loudspeaker, with the latter used for music, aloud calls,
singing and notification.

But, there are independent HW audio channels like
Alarm
Multimedia
Voice call
System/Notification*
Ringer


See also the application A-Volume

https://a-volume-widget.en.uptodown.com/android

* The application has 4 or 6 volume sliders, but these 2 seem
interconnected , partially also with the ringer.

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Old November 9th 18, 12:10 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 08:01:05 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:

I have not noticed a phone with a dedicated ringtone speaker.
I have noted only phones with an earphone speaker and a
loudspeaker, with the latter used for music, aloud calls,
singing and notification.


Thank you Libor Striz for being purposefully helpful by clarifying, where
it helps to pool our knowledge, since none of us are smartphone engineers.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3265064audio01.jpg

It would be nice to get a definitive answer, where what you're saying is:
o There is a really tiny earphone speaker, and,
o There is the larger "loudspeaker"
o But there is no specific "ringtone speaker".

But, there are independent HW audio channels like
Alarm
Multimedia
Voice call
System/Notification*
Ringer'


Usenet is a way for us to pool our knowledge interactively, where, in
another thread, it has also been intimated that the "circuitry" is
different for those tasks (e.g., perhaps a different pre-amp for example),
where you seem to concur.

Since an "alarm" and a "ringtone" seem similar, but certainly "voice calls"
are quite different as are "multimedia", I wonder if we can come up with
the minimum number of "speaker circuits" that phones use to direct their
circuitry?

See also the application A-Volume
https://a-volume-widget.en.uptodown.com/android
* The application has 4 or 6 volume sliders, but these 2 seem
interconnected , partially also with the ringer.


This is a great suggestion to look at what sound apps control!

Here's a quick survey that I found just now by searching...

o Quick Settings, by F-Droid
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.bwx.bequick/

o Volume Control, by Netroken
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=netroken.android.persistfree

o Slider Widget, by hinterhofapps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.hinterhofapps.sliderwidget

o Volume Control Widget, by Adam Wolfe Gordon
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ca.xvx.volume

o Precise Volume (+ EQ/Booster), by Phascinate
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.precisevolume

o Volume Lock & Mute, by Dieter Thiess
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.dieterthiess.stfu

o Volume + (Easy Control) Free, by yapps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=il.yavji.volumecontrolads

o App Volume Control, by SpyCorp
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spycorp.appvolumecontrol

o volume control widget for android, by Apps Prime
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.appsprime.controller.fx

o Volume App Widget, jmjurado23
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.application.volumewidget

o Volume Controller, by Gujarati Infoware
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bhbharesh.VolumeControler

o Volume Widget, by WTW Electronics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.william.soundwidget

Running some of those in quick tests, I see these audio sliders exist:
1. Ringer volume
2. Notification volume
3. Media volume
4. Alarm volume
5. Voicecall volume
6. System volume
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3265064audio01.jpg
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Old November 9th 18, 12:58 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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But, there are independent HW audio channels like
Alarm
Multimedia
Voice call
System/Notification*
Ringer


See also the application A-Volume

https://a-volume-widget.en.uptodown.com/android

* The application has 4 or 6 volume sliders, but these 2 seem
interconnected , partially also with the ringer.

I can't see that app. in the store, only on the above page, which only
has a download not an install button (does that mean I'd have to
"sideload" it?). The store does have hundred of other volume controls,
though. (Can't help wondering _why_.)

[Is there any way to get a listing of app.s on the store - such as
volume control ones - that shows parameters, such as size and what
accesses they demand, without going into each app.?]
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Old November 9th 18, 05:38 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:58:17 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I can't see that app. in the store, only on the above page, which only
has a download not an install button (does that mean I'd have to
"sideload" it?). The store does have hundred of other volume controls,
though. (Can't help wondering _why_.)


Hi J. P. Gilliver,
I went through the exact problem, as would anyone who tries to download
that app, that the suggested apps didn't exist on the main repositories.

Whenever I suggest an app, I list three things, to save others that hassle:
1. I list the name of the app (but these are almost never unique)
2. I list the developer of the app (this often is unique)
3. And I list the current URL to the app (which means it exists)

This is a common courtesy honed over decades of being on Usenet, where the
goals, always, is to collaboratively pool our knowledge interactively.

I found that app in question, as I recall, on a web site, but I didn't
trust it, so I didn't download _any_ of the volume-control apps that I
found off the two major sites, Play, and F-Droid. Nor do I recommend others
do so.

Here are the best similar apps I found, untested and in no order yet:

o Volume Lock & Mute, by Dieter Thiess
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.dieterthiess.stfu

o Volume + (Easy Control) Free, by yapps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=il.yavji.volumecontrolads

o App Volume Control, by SpyCorp
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spycorp.appvolumecontrol

o volume control widget for android, by Apps Prime
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.appsprime.controller.fx

o Volume App Widget, jmjurado23
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.application.volumewidget

o Volume Controller, by Gujarati Infoware
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bhbharesh.VolumeControler

o Volume Widget, by WTW Electronics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.william.soundwidget

o Quick Settings, by F-Droid
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.bwx.bequick/

Here is my output from just that last app in the list above:
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3265064audio01.jpg

Notice that means we need to code our Android apps for these outputs:
1. Ringer = loudspeaker?
2. Notification = loudspeaker?
3. Media = loudspeaker?
4. Alarm = loudspeaker?
5. Voicecall = callspeaker?
6. System = loudspeaker?

[Is there any way to get a listing of app.s on the store - such as
volume control ones - that shows parameters, such as size and what
accesses they demand, without going into each app.?]


I agree it would be nice to have that, as some volume control apps asked
for access to contacts, while others didn't ask for access to anything they
didn't need.

My quick-pick heuristic method of finding decent apps is...
1. I google for "best volume control app" (or something like that)
2. I read those reviews and install those apps
3. If any app asks for too much permission, I ditch it.

Then, after installing, I follow a similar quick test algorithm...
1. I run the app and get an idea for what it does
2. If anything bothers me (e.g., pop up ads), I ditch it
3. I keep only the best of the best after that test

Then, during use, I continue to hone down the app list:
1. I put the similar apps in a folder, from best to worst
2. Each time an app does a good job, it moves up in the list
3. Each time an app does a bad job, it moves down in the list

There is more (much more) to the testing process, but that is a quickie.

For example, there is no known way to move the screenshot folder
to where it belongs, on the external SD card in a dir of your choice.
o Is there an free app that will change settings for /Pictures/Screenshots to the external SD Card?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/pe4pB3oAZ0E

As a workaround to that bug, I'm testing screenshotters as we speak...
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4443440screenshot03.jpg
Where the complete list (with working URLs) is in the related thread.

I practice what I preach because it's what a good Usenet citizen does.
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Old November 9th 18, 06:31 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Arlen_Holder Wrote in message:

Hi J. P. Gilliver,I went through the exact problem, as would anyone who tries to download that app, that the suggested apps didn't exist on the main repositories.


I apologize for troubles.

I have downloaded it in past in Google play store, but have not
found it while posting my previous post, so I posted at least
name/webpage.(posting from Android client, where web reviews are
less handy).

It was more or less just illustrative application, I guess there
are dozens of similar ones.


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Old November 10th 18, 12:17 AM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:14:16 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:

I apologize for troubles.


Hi Libor Striz,

Please don't worry about that, as we appreciate your helpful advice.

It's a minor issue for us to look up apps, so I don't think you need to
apologize. Sometimes, there are lots of apps and other times it matters
greatly which app one uses, so that's why I tried to find the one you
recommended.

When an app disappears from the repository, one always wonders why.

I have downloaded it in past in Google play store, but have not
found it while posting my previous post, so I posted at least
name/webpage.(posting from Android client, where web reviews are
less handy).


No problem for me. I listed a half dozen alternatives. It's always good to
go with a recommended app though, if it's on the repository, as the cost of
freeware is the huge expense in finding and testing to get the best one.

I generally only keep on my system the best single freeware app for any one
purpose, but that takes a lot of testing, so what I do, in practice, after
following the quick tests that I already noted, is I hone their position in
my dozen desktop folders (nobody ever needs more than a dozen, IMHO).

For example, I have about 350 installed programs, all of which fit easily
into about a dozen homescreen task-based folders that almost anyone can
copy effectively, where each folder is hierarchically organized by task:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_maps_01.jpg

Where, over time, I delete the underperforming ones like a big company
sheds underperforming employees!

It was more or less just illustrative application, I guess there
are dozens of similar ones.


Yup. There are many in the repository. Just not that one.
It's always good to get a recommendation from other android users!

Back to the topic, it seems that this is the current status:
Q: Do you need to modify files so they don't damage your speakers?
A: Almost certainly the answer is yes, even today.
A: If not for damage, at least for quality (e.g., merging & normalization)

Q: Is a modern cellphone loudspeaker(s) stereo or mono?
A: Mono; although some appear to have specialized in faking stereo.

Q: Which sounds go to the earspeaker & loudspeaker(s)
1. Ringer = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker
2. Alarm = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker
3. Notification = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker
---
4. Media = loudspeaker(s)
5. System = loudspeaker(s)
6. Phone = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker

It turns out that there are other issues involved sometimes:
a. loudspeaker(s), earspeaker output
b. AUX output
c. Bluetooth output
d. WiFi output ?

As for the ringtone frequencies, I installed freeware frequency analyzers
to help me determine the frequency spectrum of professional ringtones.
o http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7759443audio02.jpg

Thanks for using Usenet as a way to collaboratively improve our knowledge.
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Old November 10th 18, 04:24 AM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 09:44:56 +0100, R.Wieser wrote:

Let me get this straight: A ringtone on a Android phone is a
straight forward .MP3, and you have no clue to how to find a
freeware MP3 editor for on a PC ? Really ?


Hi Rudy Wieser,

The question is on "making" ringtones for "mobile devices" with
"freeware".


Yep. Simple enough question, large variety of available options. What
you'd call answers I suppose.

Since you took the time to post a response, I'll patiently answer
your questions - but - we have to think ahead to see if it's even
_worth_ answering your questions - because - well - let's face it
- because historically, Rudy, while I admit I don't know much, you
consistently prove you know less than I do - so all we'll end up
doing is getting you to where I was years ago - and then - since
you have no helpful intent - it will stop there (where I was about
a decade ago) on ringtones.


Yet, here you are, creating another n00bie question and answer thread
solely for your own personal benefit.

Your historically unhelpful attitude and lack of knowledge is the
problem.


I personally find it to be the other way around with you.

How do you "make" a ringtone?


This should be good.

o You don't just "download" it - but you can 'start' from a
download o You often "trim" the audio, for example, to a certain
time length o You often "merge" stereo tracks, for example, for
mono situations o You often "filter" out frequencies
unreproducible for tiny speakers o You often "attenuate" loudness
that can damage tiny speakers o You often change the "bitrate" to
better fit the drivers o You often "fade in" or "fade out" so as
to better ramp the volume etc.


I can start from nothing, too, n00b. I know perfectly well how to
create outstanding sounding (for an mp3) if I do say so myself,
quality mp3s as well, Arlen. I have a considerable amount of
experience doing it, too.

I've been making ringtones for years for my friends; so that they
don't buy any. I've also taught several online and in person how to
do it, in a variety of ways. Some people are comfortable with
Audacity, others aren't. Almost any audio editing program can be used
to make a ring tone these days, Arlen.

Right. You are *again* just naming EVERYTHING as being the
possible cause of your problem. No matter how unrelated the
problem fields are.


What on earth are you talking about Rudy Wieser?
The question is on "making" ringtones for "mobile devices" with
"freeware".


You snipped it, but they were addressing your list.

I admit, that I asked the question in a convoluted way, so it's my
fault you don't comprehend the question, not your fault.


Again, enough with the comprehension comments. We can see here how
yours is:

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154114027600

To resolve that, the question is best rephrased to whether or not
we need to ensure that rintones, nowadays, don't damage the
speakers.


Unless you're using something really awful hardware wise, you most
likely will not be able to harm the system. Incidently, this is a
freebie on me; you don't need to concern yourself with down mixing
anything; leave the stereo tracks as they are. Not all Android
devices are actually mono, and, you're taking away from those that
aren't by editing the track. Which reduces the awesome portability
factor of an mp3.

I doubt you know any more than I do, Rudy Wieser, on that topic,
but that's the question, where my knowledge on this stopped about
a decade ago when I last created ringtones for Motorola Razr flip
phones (where the problems mattered).


Arlen, You don't even wanna try a ****ing contest with me concerning
analog/digital audio of present or my favorite, 70s/early 80s gear.
As with I.T things, to quote a friend, 'I'll walk the dog on you'

Your entire thread from what I've read so far is a complete waste of
time. You don't even understand the terminology you're using.

Bitrate for example, of all things, is the EASIEST term to
understand, yet you think you have to **** with it to make it
'safer' for your phone. Please, Arlen, just stop with this nonsense.
You're a hindrance, not a benefit.

Please do note that the *tutorials* I presented _do_ state that
you _need_ to modify the ringtone, where those tutorials are
_newer_ than my ancient experience ... so it could very well be
that we _still_ need to protect the speakers.


Erm, no.

To create a ringtone, select your audio source, sample the section
you want to have as the ringtone (you cannot use the entire song, the
phone doesn't ring that long), save as an mp3. Store in the proper
folder, or, point your phone to the custom named one you went with
instead. Done deal. Simple.

But you're not the one who is ever going to be able to answer
_that_ question, Rudy Wieser - but maybe someone else here (the 1
out of 1000 who understands the technical issues) might know more
than we do, Rudy.


Cripes, please, give your 1 out of a 1000 nonsense a rest. Either
you're more of a dumbass than I think you are, or you live around
some really ****ing stupid people. It's the only way I can think of
that you get such an off the wall ratio.

Actually, we can put this to a simple test, Arlen Do the people you
know come to you for help with their computers? For purposes of not
wishing to self incriminate Arlen, you don't have to answer. I'm
almost certain I know it already, anyway.

So it's clear that you don't even _comprehend_ the question, and


A child could comprehend how to make a ringtone, Arlen. It's not
rocket science. Seems to be very new to you though. Why is that?

How many times do you need to do that - and lose people like
Diesel


Hehhehhehheh... I think it's apropos that you put yourself in the
same category of Diesel..... Thanks for the morning humor.


Same category?

who
seems to know more about what you are doing that you will *ever*
know -


Hehhehhehheh...

What's really interesting, Rudy, is that you actually _believe_
what you just wrote, which, if you had the capacity to comprehend
even the simplest of facts, you'd see why that's patently
hilarious that you think that way.


Actually, what Rudy wrote is infact true, and, I can easily back it
up. As can others who've been reading threads who know me and/or my
background, that despite, decades as you claim, still seem to have no
idea who I am...Fascinating.

Arlen, I've already forgotten more about computers than you're ever
going to learn. Seriously.

I wouldn't be so quick to laugh if I were you Arlen, I've
demonstrated factual errors in nearly all of your posts with ease as
well as still refused to hold your hand and just give you the
answers. Answers in hindsight, had you apologized, I would have
handed over, without question.

In fairness, it wouldn't actually have been for your benefit, despite
you obviously benefitting; it was much more to do with the fact I
like proving people wrong, outright, wrong. Especially when they make
claims concerning what they think/don't think I know.

before you realize that that only works for a short time, making
you depend on a steady stream of new suckers^whelpfull people (a
stream which can easily dry up) ?


That you think Usenet is filled with "suckers" is interesting,
because you are the one who consistently ruins any technical
thread with your worthless drivel.


Usenet is filled with suckers. I can provide you some mids to read,
if you'd like. I took advantage of some, at one point in the past,
Arlen. Serious, advantage.

This is a binary situation, Rudy:
o You either know more than I do about making ringtones,
o Or you don't.


I suspect almost anyone knows more than you about doing it, Arlen.

Since it's clear that, consistently, you _never_ know more than I
did even decades ago, and it's clear that you have no helpful
intent, then it's clear that there is zero chance that you will
even _comprehend_ the question, Rudy.


I can't vouch for those claims, Arlen. I've read some of Rudys
previous posts as I have yours. You're projecting, again.

Knowledge you've claimed to have for decades huh? I don't believe
you. OTH, Lemme put my money where my mouth is concerning knowledge
I've previously claimed to have. You keep bringing up DOS commands so
much, you might enjoy some of these.

http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/core/

That's just some of my older, but, completely legit work, Arlen. I'd
really embarrass you if I showed you a url or two describing some of
the other things I've written, or what they did...Needless to say,
You don't, and never have, known anywhere near as much as I do about
the machine sitting in front of you, Arlen.

http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

That's the mainsite for an antimalware utility I wrote from scratch
and supported for three years, Arlen. During it's active time, it was
able to compete with Sample detection concerning 0day with the big
guys. Infact, many samples were collected after surviving the most
recent scans using the top products of the time. [g]

You have *nothing* on me, Arlen. And, you never will.

Given that you can't comprehend the question, Rudy, there's even
less chance that you'll ever be able to _add value_ in a response.

If I'm not being clear with you Rudy, let me know, and I'll
clarify.


How do you propose to do that when you required clarification?

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154114027600

The question is clear as day in the SUBJECT line.


As are the answers.

Q: How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?


There's *several* ways in which to do it, Arlen. Damn near any audio
editing application can be used to do it.

Yes, I'm still trying to help you - to fish for yourself (give a
hungry man a fish and he will be back tomorrow, again hungry).


Hehhehheh...

Now I see why you put yourself in the same category of Diesel.


I can tell by the ignorance you try to hide with your laughter, that,
you do not.

To be blunt, the response from you is:
o I know the answer but I won't tell you ... na nana nana na.
o I want you to *beg* for that answer ... na nana nana na.
o If you beg, then _maybe_ just maybe ... I'll tell you!


I requested nothing of the sort from you nor have I ever told you I
knew the answer, but, wouldn't tell you; a condition was applied. A
condition you yourself created. You refused to apologize, like a
mature adult would, so I didn't hold your hand and tell you what you
wanted to know. I let you work for it, and watched you fail.
Repeatedly, Fail.

Hehehehehe...


See above.

MP3 overmodulation damaging your phones (headphones?) speakers ?
Just listen to the sound itself. If its sounds "tinny" than
its most likely overmodulated.


Ummmm... that's kind of too late, Rudy.
That's like stepping in front of a moving train to see what it
feels like.


Unless you have the volume to max (or over amplified via third party
app) you have plenty of time to stop playback before risking ANY
hardware damage.

If you do not trust that than pick yourself an MP3 editor
which either offers automatic compressing, or has an inbuild
oscilloscope (waveform viewer) where you can look at the waveform
itself - and thus being able to spot where flattens against the
top or bottom.


WTF are you talking about Rudy?


It should be obvious...



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